From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #224 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 224 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Electricity - a wider web - SJC (speculative joni content) [LXROSS@ctrl.c] Re: men killing women NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Arthur Lee/Love touring Europe now (njc) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? [AsharaJM@aol.com] The Virus Alert ["William" ] Love in Paris, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: FTR live and Covers Volume 29 [Jerry Notaro ] Au natural (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Chelsea Mourning [Gordon Mackie ] Re: how I got on to Joni, plus info on new album! [Engwall57@aol.com] "Electricity," "ACOY" [] What I like about Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] RE: re: My sister Catherine (NJC) [] Which dead 60's rock star are you? Take the test (njc) [jan gyn ] Songs for a funeral (NJC) [] Webcasting Rates Rejected (NJC) ["Brenda" ] Re: Webcasting Rates Rejected (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: What I like about Joni [Lori in MD ] Re: Chelsea Mourning [Penny ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #147: Epigraph; No Secrets (tangential JC) ["Ti] Re: What I like about Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: What I like about Joni (NJC) [Lori in MD ] Springfest 2002 report "Oh My Gawd!!!"(njc) [] Joni Bio's [juancito@juno.com] Re: Which dead 60's rock star are you? Take the test (njc) ["Mark or Trav] Re: Joni and Carly question [juancito@juno.com] re: the virus warning with that teddy bear ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Home Again/Ryan Adams (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: May 17th (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Mandolin Wind (Rod Stewart) [OzWoman321@aol.com] David Sedaris does Joni [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Home Again/Ryan Adams (NJC) [Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: men killing women NJC Thanks a heap to all who answered my call for info re Jackson Browne and Dianne Zeigler. mike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:13:28 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Arthur Lee/Love touring Europe now (njc) Kakki wrote: >I would give up all my martini glasses for a live >recording of one of these performances. Not sure I'd know what to do with that many glasses - but I'm looking out for you - the BBC quite often record shows like this - for broadcast at a later date - - or even live on the net, nowadays. They're at the Queen Elizabeth Hall in London on June 14th. Meanwhile, thought you and others would be interested in this interview in yesterday's Guardian newspaper - see http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4417591,00.html which ends with the following: > As far as his imprisonment goes, he says: > "I'm not the first black man to be framed and > I won't be the last." During his time at Pleasant > Valley, he found some of the words to Forever > Changes "haunting, haunting, haunting", and > composed a slew of new songs in his head: > "All the bass parts, the drum parts, the cello > parts, the violin parts - the whole orchestra. > While I was away, I had a lot of time to arrange > those songs." > > Now he just wants to get on with his life. "I don't > intend to get into any trouble. Breaking any law > is the furthest thing from my mind." Suddenly, he > brightens. "Speaking of that, do you know where > I can get some weed?" All the best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:26:46 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: FW: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus Hoax alert! Do not delete the file jdbgmgr.exe. It is a legitimate Windows file that you should *expect* to find on your system. Sorry for the lack of NJC tag, but the hoax mail did not have one and I didn't want to leave the Joni-onlies with false information. Here's a link to my favorite authoritative page on virus hoaxes. It's always helpful to check this page before you forward a virus warning. http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:26:38 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? Wow. This is one of the great pluses of being on this list. I am finally caught up after neglecting digests for weeks, getting ready for my son's Bar Mitzvah and the aftermath of catching up with the rest of my life. **Caution: the following statement may be considered blasphemous to some people on this list. Delete now, or forever hold your peace!** I have always been a "Joni-music-kinda-gal." I never sat down with the words and tried to analyze them, or look at the deeper meanings of the words. I have so thoroughly enjoyed this thread. Thanks Matt for starting the thread, Bob for picking up the ball, and everyone who has contributed so far. It has been SO interesting! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:25:13 +0100 From: "William" Subject: The Virus Alert Apologies for absolutely NO Joni content. With regard to; << Subject: FW: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus Yep, I found it too. Lindsay>>> I looked into this and received an email from a friend - I quote; <<>> Again, sincere apologies. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:12:15 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Love in Paris, NJC Arthur Lee and Love will play in Paris in June. Has anybody seen him recently yet? How was it? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:15:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: FTR live and Covers Volume 29 I don't know, Kakki. "you said she was a bore." That can't possibly be a reference to Joni. Whatever she is (or was), it is never boring! Jerry np: Maureen McGovern - Bring Back My Dreamer ( a gorgeous song by Jeff Harris.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: men killing women NJC Hi Mike. Gee, if I'd known, I could have put Sting of the Honeybee on CD for you. anyway, here are the lyrics. And good luck with you paper! lots of love Anne Sting of the Honeybee Do you hear that howling at my window Do you hear that rattling at my door I think a storm is coming But you will not see me running 'Cause I've live through this before Here in this house the weather changes You can never be certain what's in store One minute his eyes are flashing Clap thunder and a fit of passion And the threat of the lion's roar is keeping the score CHORUS: Mama take care of me I've got the sting of the honeybee Say a prayer for me He left me crying at the sugartree When that wicked wind leaves my window I can try to forget how it has blown I remember when he met me sunstruck A big wedding and a kiss for good luck But hard life in the danger zone is all I've known CHORUS Copyright (c) 1995, Zigsongs (BMI) CHORUS: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: FTR live and Covers Volume 29 - Carly mondegreen Ha- well I always thought the line was: And later when you told me You said she was a whore so much for mondegreens! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:46:48 -0400 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Warren Beatty - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:03:00 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Au natural (NJC) Julius wrote: >I don't think I'll buy the CD box, as I'm pretty waltzed out after >seeing the >theater re-release and watching the DVD, both au natural Hmmm...interesting theaters you must have up there in San Francisco, Julius! :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:31:24 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Chelsea Mourning Hi everyone Well the title of my post has nothing to do with my choice of funeral music but more to do with Ms Clinton junior. She visited the Chelsea Flower Show in London yesterday and the papers reported the following The Oxford University student said the visit was especially significant as she was named after the area of central London from which the flower show took its name and said " My parents were here during Christmas in 1978.They were hoping to have a child and if it was a girl they said it would be called Chelsea". Is this an example of a Clinton being less than wholly truthful? Why no mention of Joni. Not that I'm into Clinton bashing but it was reported today on Radio Scotland that she made a bee line for a man in a kilt who was at the flower show to which one local commentator added " Like father like daughter...those Clintons just cant keep away from anything in a skirt" Well it made me laugh. Bye everybody Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:48:30 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: how I got on to Joni, plus info on new album! Have you checked Amazon.com for TI? I can't believe it is not available. Welcome to the List! You will learn a lot of interesting things, both on the technical/musical side and the lyrical/literary end of the spectrum. There are many layers and levels of meaning in Joni's work. Ruth in Richmond (VA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:08:20 CDT From: Subject: "Electricity," "ACOY" Such wonderful threads. . .such great Joni Content lately! - --What?? We do that here, too?? ;-) About "Electricity": You know, I'd long assumed that some of the other songs on _For the Roses_, like "See You Sometime," were about James Taylor. However, although the timing is correct, I never made the Joni/JT/Carly connection with "Electricity." It feels dead-on right, though: in part, because I think JT could, indeed, sing a lover to sleep with a special song, perhaps an original one, and have it run "all through her circuits like a heartbeat" (what a relaxing voice!). I also think that such a gift would be especially appreciated by Carly, a singer and songwriter herself. About "A Case of You": I have always assumed that this song was written for Graham Nash, if only because of the depth of feeling described. Although Leonard Cohen would be linked to the map of Canada, I somehow had the sense that, whatever else it also may have been, Joni's relationship with Cohen was, in large part, mentor and student, and that at some point, Joni outgrew the need for such a mentor and moved on. I remember that, in an early interview, Joni stated that Cohen helped her, in general, to "work on the poignancy of a song." On the other hand, a Cohen connection might explain, "part of you pours out of me in these lines from time to time," as well as, "I'm frightened by the devil / And I'm drawn to the ones that ain't afraid," given Cohen's fascination with religious matters and his unorthodox approach to same. On balance, though, my vote goes to Nash. I get the sense that he and Joni were deeply, deeply connected. Mary P., - --done speculating about Joni's love life for the day! P.S. Speaking of Cohen, his 2001 release, "Ten New Songs," is a gem, even though his voice has deteriorated even further, if that's possible, and the musical arrangements would have benefited from having them performed by real, live musicians, rather than a computer. Still, while it might not be a good introduction for others, I can't recommend it highly enough to Cohen fans. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:19:04 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: What I like about Joni One of the things I like about Joni is her righteous anger, as evidenced in songs like Banquet, many selections on DED (Ethiopia, Tax-free, 3 Great Stimulants), No Apologies, Sex Kills, to name a few. It is like she is yelling at everyone to get off their butts and feel things (to quote Janis Joplin)and to see what the bigger picture is and ask what they can do about it. She is so honest in her anger; she does not hold back, and her observations hit their targets, often before anyone is aware of the problem. Look at Magdalene Laundries. While it is about nuns, the hypocrisy and unfeeling authoritarianism it alludes to could equally apply to the current Catholic crisis. I think I will write her in for president in 2004. Ruth aus Richmond ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:19:41 CDT From: Subject: RE: re: My sister Catherine (NJC) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:21:19 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Which dead 60's rock star are you? Take the test (njc) http://www.sillygirl.com/link.php?LSerial=3823 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:22:00 CDT From: Subject: RE: re: My sister Catherine (NJC) Rose, You wrote: "Thank you ever so much for all of your prayers and kind words. Cathy passed away at 3:40 today. It seemed as though she just waited for my brother Nicholas and I to arrive at the hospital. Her daughter Rosemarie was there as well as her physician." Me now: I'm so glad you got to have one last visit with your sister. You and your entire family are in my thoughts and prayers. Take care, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:38:32 CDT From: Subject: Songs for a funeral (NJC) OK, here's one I don't think I've heard anyone mention: "Night Swimming," by R.E.M., from _Automatic for the People_. Interestingly, one of my first reactions to this song back in the mid-90's was, "Hmmm . . . that would be an interesting one to play at my memorial service!" (although I hasten to reassure you all that I wasn't thinking then, nor am I now, that said service will be taking place anytime soon!). It's been a while since I heard it. My recollection is that a line or two, or maybe an entire verse, wouldn't really fit. Still, I think it struck me in the way it did because: 1) I'm an unrepetent night owl; 2) I love to swim; 3) the music has a stately quality about it, and 4) the song seems to be about a gentle encounter with life with no barriers and no holds barred on the part of the singer (swimmer!). Now, if I were to get serious about this planning business, I'd probably have some jazz and classical. Maybe some country, for the sheer fun of it. Perhaps even some Joni. But the last, for me, would almost be like taking touristy photographs in my old neighborhood in Madrid when I lived there for nine months. I never thought to do it because those streets were so very much a part of me that having an external record of them seemed superfluous. I've regretted that rash decision since! Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:46:58 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Webcasting Rates Rejected (NJC) Check this out for more info: http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates.html Brenda - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:43:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Webcasting Rates Rejected (NJC) Good news, and timely, it only just happened today! Brenda wrote: > Check this out for more info: > > http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates.html > > Brenda > ------------------------------ > Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. Brenda wrote: > Check this out for more info: > > http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates.html > > Brenda > ------------------------------ > Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: What I like about Joni Ruth wrote: > I think I will write her in for president in 2004. That would be lovely, Ruth! Except that Joni wasn't born in the U.S. ... Lori in MD ~ LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:44:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Subject: Re: Chelsea Mourning Ahh, but thankfully Gordon, not all of the press releases left out the Joni reference. Penny Chelsea Clinton Visits Namesake Tue May 21, 6:36 AM ET LONDON (AP) - When Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton (news - web sites) visited the trendy Chelsea section of London in the 1970s, they decided they would give its name to the child they hoped to have, Chelsea Clinton said. "My parents were here during Christmas in 1978," the daughter of the former U.S. president said Monday as she visited the Chelsea Flower Show. "They were hoping to have a child and if it was a girl they said it would be called Chelsea." She continued, "They also loved the song `Chelsea Morning' by Joni Mitchell, which is great because I love my name." Chelsea, in west London, was a center for trendy fashion and a celebrity hangout in the 1960s. It's now a relatively quiet, upscale residential area. Clinton, who is studying international relations at Oxford University, posed for photographers in front of a patch of tulips at a special preview of the Royal Horticultural Society's famous flower show. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:45:54 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #147: Epigraph; No Secrets (tangential JC) Denny Giovanetti wrote: > > >"Timothy Spong" wrote: > > The term is "foreword," and the word itself usually appears, like a >title, >on any given book's foreword. >The term is "epigraph," generally a quotation (also applies to building >inscriptions, etc.) > >Denny > Denny is, of course, correct. A given book may have both an epigraph and a foreword, and I did not read the original post carefully enough to realize that the former, not the latter, was referred to. Also, "Kakki" wrote: > >Janine wrote: > > > I, too, have always felt Electricity was about my beloved JT who had to >have > > torn her heart out, of course, I have to blame it on that darn Cold Blue >Steel > > and Sweet Fire. I have also wondered if this song was not in response >to > > Carly's frustrations with JT? She obviously still wants a connection to >him > > despite the Minus's current lovelessness. > >My next door neighbor in the college dorm was as much into Carly as I was >into Joni and would talk to me about the JT connection. She's the one that >alerted me to Carly's song "No Secrets" and said it there was a put down to >Joni in it. I've posted the lyrics below. If true, I thought maybe Joni >would see the song as sort of a gloat and thought Electricity was her >rejoinder. Both albums were released in November 1972. Speaking of Robbie >Cavolina, he once told me that Carly and Joni have long been very good >friends, so bygones are bygones. ;-) Kakki > ... and then, appended the lyrics to (We Have) No Secrets, by Carly Simon. Kakki's analysis of its lyrics is probably correct. I think No Secrets is my favorite of all the Carly Simon songs I have heard so far, in terms of the melody and arrangement. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:46:31 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: What I like about Joni Well, George Bush isn't human but that did not prevent him from being elected president in 1988. Ruthless ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: What I like about Joni (NJC) Ruthless! (Yes, you are!) > Well, George Bush isn't human, but that did not prevent him from being > elected president in 1988. As we GLBT people said at the time, and are saying again this time around ... "Wrong kind of Bush in the White House." : ) Lori ~ LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:35:31 -0400 From: Subject: Springfest 2002 report "Oh My Gawd!!!"(njc) Wow....what a weekend...I'm not sure if I can sum it all up any better but I'll try. Monday morning I was sitting on the beach, watching the absolutely beautiful waves rolling in and going back out. I had stayed up till five the previous night and all I could manage to do was just watch the water, and think about how much the whole weekend was the like the waves, constantly moving and overlapping, reaching out and pulling back in, but always beautiful...quite a contrast to how I arrived. It was rainy as I pulled into Pensacola, and I was tired from having driven the five and a half hours from Atlanta, so I decided to go to the island first, where I was going to camp. It was a long, long way to get to Ft. Pickens, and even longer to get to the camping area. When I finally pull up though, I find out that the camping isn't cheap or reasonable like I had thought ($20 a night), and am also told that there are probably no sites available. Frustrated, I turn around and make the drive back to downtown, by this time, just flat out worn out. As soon as I hear music and see the orange and white barriers, I pull over and park where ever I can find a place. The first person I speak with is no help. But then I find someone on a golf cart who gives me a ride to Pazland, also known as the Pepsi One stage. I soon find Paz and the very first thing he does is take me to the car and pour me a martini. I said something about wishing I could pull Kakki out of a hat, and began to unwind a little. I don't remember a whole lot about the bands that night-nothing particularly memorable-except for the last band, Cowboy Mouth. The drummer/lead singer, Fred, has this amazing energy and ability to really drive the crowd and completely absorb them into the performance. At moments, he seems as if he's completely crazy, but he always knows just what to say. I eat a good meal, courtesy of the production staff, and it works out that I can stay at House a la Paz, so I breathe a big sigh of relief. Though I have no idea where I parked my car...I don't worry about it and get the most sleep I will get all weekend. Over the next couple of days, I meet lots of people, all of them quite friendly, and can pretty much come and go as I please, a very nice luxury to have as I've never liked being in big crowds, so I really appreciated the luxury of being able to grab a soda or coffee and sit down under the tent with the crew. I don't think I can really give this weekend justice in any report but I can try to give some highlights. Top Musical Highlights of Springfest 2002 1. Flogging Molly This band is absolutely unfecking believable. I was a little tired, having just seen the Derek Trucks band, and was just going to try to relax for a little while, when it occured to me that I had no more beer, and I thought I would make a drive to get some. I knew I was no longer in Asheville when I pulled up to a package store and literally all they had was Budweiser, Budlight, Busch, Michelob, and Heineken I think...no microbrews here... so I kept going and got to Food World and for some reason, felt compelled to pick up some Guinness. I must have had some inner intuition as to what was to come next because honestly, I had no idea. I get back , have a couple of Guinnea(plural?) and hear this band beginning to warm up. I hear electric guitar, mandolin, fiddle, flute, and accordian, and immediately think, this is probably a band I should check out. So I make my way up to the stage, and sit in the back on a speaker wedge. This band starts playing and inbetween songs, they keep asking if the Guinness has gotten there yet? Just amazing energy and stage presence. They are all over the place, incredibly tight and dynamic, one of the most amazing performances I have ever seen. And it was so awesome to be able to sit right on the stage, where you could feel all the vibrations and see them playing just a few feet away, and looking out onto a sea of people who had gathered and were passing some people around, up over their heads. This definately boosted up my energy level which was already fairly high. Sunday night, we met up with some of the band at a local Irish pub and had a great time partying...they're going to be doing a European Tour coming up pretty soon, and then will be touring the States, so by all means check them out. You can find them online at floggingmolly.com , and by the way, they're out of L.A.. I picked up their cd "Drunken Lullabies" and they also so have one called "Swagger" and one other I believe. A top class act, all the way around. 2. Derek Trucks Band Simply beautiful music on a beautiful day...achingly beautiful. Yonrico Scott was the drummer, I seem to recognize his name from somewhere. Susan Tedeschi(now Susan Trucks) was the special guest vocalist. I was wearing a "Starbar" tshirt from Atlanta which the band loved, as many of them were very familiar with the wellknown, countryrock, honky tonk bar, with the Elvis vault in the back. Dicky Betts sat in on one song and unfortunately, I missed his band which was next but I saw Flogging Molly instead so I have no reason to complain. 3. Jethro Tull It was almost surreal, seeing Jethro Tull playing outside on a cold, windy night. There weren't a whole lot of surprises...it was pretty much standard fare..Cross Eyed Mary, Thick as a Brick, Aqualung, Living in the Past, etc...I particularly enjoyed Aqualung that night for some reason though...it just seemed to have a magical feel to it. The did do "One Night in Budapest" which is one of my favorite songs from them. I was also particularly excited because I was able to have Martin Barre sign my guitarstrap which really carries an incredible signigicance to me. And thanks to Paz for getting signatures from Robbie Steiner and Gary Wright. ( Already on the strap are Richard Thompson, Adrian Belew, Nick Webb and Greg Carmichael(Acoustic Alchemy), Stanley Jordan, Michael Hedges, Peter Rowan...I think that's it...there's still room for plenty more!) 4. Bonnie Raitt I had never seen her before and am not particularly familiar with her career, but she put on an excellent show, though by Sunday evening, I was thoroughly exhausted...she played a really nice version of "Angel From Montgomery" and one of the encores was "I Can't Make You Love Me"...I am glad I had the opportunity to see her. I have still not made it back to Asheville(I'm waylaid in Athens) and am feeling incredibly tired from it all...I am eternally indebted to Paz for inviting me to what was a truly rich, rich experience...exceeded all expectations...I feel very blessed to have such friends. Despite listening to so much music, we found some opportunity to pull out acoustic guitars here and there...I played a new song called "Boomerang Love" which will probably be in my jonifest set...Michael did a nice "Southern Man" Sunday night, and we got some cool three part harmony going on it...very, very nice though if I remember that was right before we both collapsed and I woke up the next morning and headed to the beach to stare at the waves, which brings me back to the beginning. And I think I'm going to collapse again, so I will send this off now. ooopppsss... 5. Big Bad Voodoo Daddy Baritone Sax, tenor sax, trumpet, trombone, guitar, keys, bass, drums...Minnie the Moocher was especially awesome, the whole crowd singing along...everything they did was quite cool! Okay, I believe I am finished. Thanks Paz Victor, looking more and more forward to Jonifest! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:30:11 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: Joni Bio's Speaking of Hinton's bio of Joni, I was a little disappointed and wondered if anyone has had a chance to read the new bio that's out in the UK and Canada, but what what I've been told, not yet published in the states. Any opinions on either book? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:27:01 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Which dead 60's rock star are you? Take the test (njc) > http://www.sillygirl.com/link.php?LSerial=3823 > I'm Jim Morrison. Who'da thunk? Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:27:12 -0700 From: juancito@juno.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carly question Mia, couldn't say for sure if she is talking about the same person, but I've heard bunches of rumors over the years about the subject of "You're so Vain," everyone from Mick Jagger to Warren Beatty to JT and others I've forgotten. Is his biography of Joni, Brian Hinton sez that YSV is about Beatty. Dunno if Beatty and Joni ever dated. Hope they didn't (lol) Jim On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:01:04 -0500 "mia ortlieb" writes: > All this talk of Joni and Carly has me thinking. Perhaps this was > discussed > before, but I was wondering if anybody knows if the man from Carly's > "You're > so Vain" is the same man from Joni's "Just Like This Train" (my vain > > darling)? I heard a rumour that Carly was singing about Warren > Beatty. Did > Joni ever date Warren? > > Mia > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:46:53 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: the virus warning with that teddy bear I was just about to delete that teddy bear file, but thought I would consult with my son, the techno geek first. He warned me that this is an integral part of the windows system. He also referred me to http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/176442.html. If your afraid to click the hyperlink, try a google search instead. The article should come up right away. Does anyone else know something I don't about this supposed virus? Maybe it's been modified?? Any help would be appreciated! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:00:30 -0400 From: Darice(darice@mindspring.com) Subject: men killing women (njc) There is so much written here and on the Jackson list about "not to blame" There is much about the lyrics which mirror Jackson's life and the quote "attributed" to his then- three year old son Ethan is, as has been stated way beneath some one of Joni's talent(IMHO) This subject always shakes me loose from my semi-lurkdom. People Mag (that fount of knowledge) did publish an article stating that the song was about Jackson. The time frame for the OJ scenario is wrong. contact me privately for more info. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Arthur Lee/Love touring Europe now (njc) - --- Paul Castle wrote: > > As far as his imprisonment goes, he says: > > "I'm not the first black man to be framed and > > I won't be the last." During his time at Pleasant > > Valley, ... Pleasant Valley? and it's a prison? ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: men killing women (njc) - --- Darice wrote: > << blame" > There is much about the lyrics which mirror Jackson's life and the > quote "attributed" to his then- three year old son Ethan is, as has > been stated way beneath some one of Joni's talent(IMHO) > This subject always shakes me loose from my semi-lurkdom.>>> > This subject always shakes me loose too. Big time. I've said it before and I will say it again, I think it is important for someone as visible as Joni to bring issues such as violence towards women to the forefront. I admire her for doing so. I'm glad that Joni speaks out on the subject. Perhaps she is the voice of women who cannot speak. Not To Blame and Magdalene Laundries represent the reality that many women suffer at the hands and fists of their so called partners. We can never overstate that reality. Ever. Mags ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:04:59 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Home Again/Ryan Adams (NJC) Sorry about that!! False alarm!!! I do SO much better when I DON'T listen to my wife who is the one who told me he was on. Please refer all hate mail and complaints to HER email address. I do still love Bryan Adams voice though. Hee hee Paz (Back from a baseball game that Mikey won) on 5/20/02 10:31 PM, Denny Giovanetti at BlindLemonPledge@musicnote.com wrote: > Michael-- > Thanks for the heads-up! > Denny > > --- Michael Paz wrote: >> For all you Ryan Adams fans out there he is on Leno tonight and I am off to >> try to stay awake long enough to hear him. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:57:14 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: She Said She Said (The Beatles) Hello, All - Bob wrote: > < brownie points, right? :-)>> > > Or put you under INSTANT suspicion! ;~) > > Welcome, Susan...looking forward to hearing more from you. I thought your > choices of "funeral songs" were very inspired. Thanks for the warm welcome, Bob - if being a friend of Gregg's makes me an "accomplice to the crime", consider me guilty as charged... :-) and then Timothy and Denny suggested: << "Timothy Spong" wrote: > The term is "foreword," and the word itself usually appears, like a title, >on any given book's foreword. The term is "epigraph," generally a quotation (also applies to building inscriptions, etc.) Denny >> Yes, that's it! - epigraph... :-) I can't believe my English major/journalism minor brain couldn't remember that - ack! I'm most especially grateful to all of you, though, for your many insights into Joni's work after Miles of Aisles - I must admit a preference for her earlier, confessional pieces and although I continued to buy her music over the years, with a few exceptions it just didn't "speak to me" as much as her previous albums. However, I am a firm believer that "the teacher appears when the lesson is ready to be learned" - I have begun to drag out everything from Hissing of Summer Lawns on and will be giving them a thorough listening, in a different light... which is how I feel so many years after their initial introduction. Thanks again for the motivation - eeny meeny miney moe, catch a Tiger... Dog... Rainstorm?... by the toe... :-) Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "Guiding a ship, it takes more than your skill It's the compass inside, it's the strength of your will..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:13:04 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Meeting Fred W Kate Damn I wish I could have been there with you. That damn Kakki is SUCH a good hostess she always keeps me too busy to ever make it out there. But the next time I go I want to make it out there to meet him too and hang out. Not only do I wanna see those guitars I want to play them. Love Paz on 5/16/02 10:23 PM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > Had the wonderful pleasure of meeting Fred Walecki at Westwood Music today. > What a sweetheart of a guy!!!! > > (he's the one who helped ..design?..Joni's VG-8 so she could tour again. He > seems to be in great health, very energetic, incredibly knowledgeable & > soooo friendly... > > he pointed up to where he said he had a bunch of Joni's guitars for sale > (1,2, 3, 4 numbered in cases...man, did he have my number! not cheap he > said...so, I didn't even want to see them because I would have been in deep > deep trouble- Paz I know you know the kind)... > > we talked a bit about Joni, her tunings, the website & the AMAZING people > who figured out her tunings!!!! & how she told him that having her VG-8 was > like having a whole new palette... > > what a nice guy, no wonder everyone did that benefit for him...Kakki, have > you met him?...I can imagine the two of you chatting away for hours!!!! > > Although I didn't buy anything (yet) he walked me to my car (I was lugging 3 > guitars) & talked about so many wonderful sound technicalities...I think he > is really some kind of genius...on that same level of niceness (for lack of > a better word) as Graham Nash ... I just want to buy something from him > because he's such a cool guy! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:15:57 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: May 17th (NJC) Happy Birthday OLD friend! Looking forward to knocking back a few with you this year at the fest. I hope you had a very fecking happy day! Paz on 5/17/02 10:09 AM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > He claims he's not the *nice* Bob, but we all know that's not true! > He brings a laugh to us all daily. > He is someone I'm proud to have as a friend, and I can't wait to get lost in > the Catskills with him for the third year in a row. > > Everybody please wish a big big big > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > T O > > BOB "The Smurph" MURPHY. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:39:43 EDT From: OzWoman321@aol.com Subject: Mandolin Wind (Rod Stewart) Hello, All - Here's the link to a post from today's Lucy Kaplansky list that mentions Joni - - enjoy... :-) http://grassyhill.org/stax/lucy-list/index.cgi?i=1021978155_paulcast Susan http://www.heartsdesireconcerts.com "Guiding a ship, it takes more than your skill It's the compass inside, it's the strength of your will..." ~ Dar Williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:29:30 -0400 From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: David Sedaris does Joni It has been noted recently that David Sedaris gets mentioned a lot on this list. Well, here's another reason to bring up his name: He mentions Joni twice in an an essay called "A Million Bubbles!" If you have never heard or read Sedaris, give a listen to this autoclip in which he mentions Joni twice. "A Million Bubbles" is included as "a live bonus track" on the audiotape for "Me Talk Pretty One Day." but it did not appear in the book. Thanks to Salon.com, you can listen to it here for free: http://www.salon.com/audio/nonfiction/2001/06/06/sedaris_bubbles/ Hmmm . . . Joni in Non-Fiction! Who wants to take on that one?! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Denny Giovanetti Subject: Re: Home Again/Ryan Adams (NJC) from Mojo Magazine (3/02): "I don't mean to be a dick, but try having a name that's one letter away from an '80's icon. It's not funny." _R_yan Adams Denny, who could've sworn Leno said "Ryan" =8^) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #224 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?