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JMDL Digest          Tuesday, May 21 2002          Volume 2002 : Number 223



The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be
found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news,
a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more.

The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains
interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more.
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: Joni in Fiction/"About a Boy" -  njc                    [FMYFL@aol.com]
  Re: question about "For Free"                           [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  Re: At My Funeral (Crash Test Dummies) NJC              [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  it's a dog's life NJC                 [Mr Drooper <mrdrooperdog@yahoo.com>]
  Re: And now for A Case of You . . .                    [anne@sandstrom.com]
  Re: question about "For Free"                           [juancito@juno.com]
  And now for A Case of You . . .   ["J.David Sapp" <davidsapp@peoplepc.com>]
  Re: Parker Fly, VG-8 and VG-88; foreword to books  ["Timothy Spong" <tim_s]
  Joni and Carly question             ["mia ortlieb" <hvnphun16@hotmail.com>]
  Of inscriptions and things rendered unto Caesar  [Denny Giovanetti <BlindL]
  joni on tv                          ["Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>]
  Last Waltz box                                             [JRMCo1@aol.com]
  Re: Last Waltz box                                      [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  Re: What music will play at your funeral?                   [KJHSF@aol.com]
  Re: men killing women NJC            ["Mike Pritchard" <ink08@hotmail.com>]
  cavolina                     [Gerald Notaro <notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>]
  Re: Last Waltz box                                         [JRMCo1@aol.com]
  Re: men killing women NJC                               [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  Re: men killing women NJC         [Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>]
  Re: men killing women NJC                               [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  how I got on to Joni, plus info on new album!  ["Josh Eubank" <josheubank@]
  Re: it's a dog's life NJC         [Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>]
  Re: men killing women NJC      ["Sybil Skelton" <sybilskelton@hotmail.com>]
  Re: men killing women NJC         [Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>]
  re:My Sister Catherine njc                               [RoseMJoy@aol.com]
  Re: NYT book review (NJC)               [Deb Messling <messling@enter.net>]
  FW: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus            [Lindsay Moon <moonlj@san.rr.com>]
  Neil Finn/Virus Alert (NJC)              [Lindsay Moon <moonlj@san.rr.com>]
  Re: And now for A Case of You . . .  ["Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.ne]
  Re: 100% Joni MDL Digest V2002 #221                     [Bobsart48@aol.com]
  Tom Waits on NPR - Fresh Air - 5-21 (NJC)  [Scott and Jody <johnsonjs@eart]
  Forgot Fresh Air Airtimes (NJC)  [Scott and Jody <johnsonjs@earthlink.net>]
  Re: My Sister Catherine njc                             [RobSher50@aol.com]
  Home Again/Ryan Adams (NJC)  [Michael Paz <michaelpazz@directvinternet.com]
  Re: cavolina                            ["Kakki" <KakkiB@worldnet.att.net>]
  Re: 100% joni Content now - and Electricity             [Bobsart48@aol.com]
  Re: FTR live and Covers Volume 29       ["Kakki" <KakkiB@worldnet.att.net>]
  Re: men killing women NJC            [Randy Remote <guitarzan@direcpc.com>]
  Re: 100% joni Content now - and Electricity and now njc  [Randy Remote <gu]

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:41:07 EDT
From: FMYFL@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joni in Fiction/"About a Boy" -  njc

Murphy wrote:


> I allegedly wrote:
> 
> <<J--Bob>>
> 
> I guess this is what happens when you use AOL from someone else's computer. 
> 
> 

I thought you signed your name like that because you were hanging around 
Jennifer Lopez  :~)

Jimmy

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:57:45 -0400
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: question about "For Free"

<<Does anyone know which song came first: For Free, or
James Taylor's "Hey Mister, That's Me up on the Jukebox" ? >>

Hiya Jim,

Joni performed "For Free" as early as 1969. James' song didn't come out until 'Mud SLide Slim' in 1971. I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it, but I would bet a paycheck that For Free was the earlier song.

Welcome to the JMDL...please don't be concerned with "treading old ground". Indeed, as we just saw with the Electricity thread, there is always something gained with doing exactly that.

Bob

NP: Doogie White, "This Flight Tonight"

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:02:28 -0400
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: At My Funeral (Crash Test Dummies) NJC

<<P.S.  I'm also a buddy of Gregg Cagno's - that should get me some extra brownie points, right?  :-)>>

Or put you under INSTANT suspicion! ;~)

Welcome, Susan...looking forward to hearing more from you. I thought your choices of "funeral songs" were very inspired.

Bob

NP: Caterina Valente, "Both Sides Now"

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 06:19:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mr Drooper <mrdrooperdog@yahoo.com>
Subject: it's a dog's life NJC

hello everyone,

my name, as you can tell from my emale address, is mrdrooper. i
am very excited to be here on the list. thank you catherine for
encouraging me to come out like this. 

i was very excited to see that other pets have email! i would be
very interested to know how your cat finds typing on a key
board. i wonder if her pads get in the way like mine do. i know
that dad tries his best to clip my nails for me which also helps
a lot. thanks dad! alas, i digress. (yea, i am a chatty ol' dawg
btw).

anyway...

i have been a faithful fan of the music of joni mitchell ever
since i started living with my dad in 1988. how could i not be?
he listens to joni for breakfast, lunch AND dinner and we often
sing together, putting on some very cool harmonies. and hey,
joni even wrote a whole cd in honor of us dogs! how cool is
that?!?!?! 

i have to say that the holy trinity are my favorites...blue, a
song about my cousin the southern hound dog, for the roses,
about two cats named rose, and court and sparky. most of joni's
fans do not realize that sparky the dog was the inspiration for
that whole album.

i am very excited to see all this talk about electricity
now...yea that minus guy was way too busy to even notice that
his girl was pining for him. sheesh...human men sometimes just
can't see what is in front of their faces. always a million
things going on all at once. that's why i swing both ways. 

well, it's a dog's life and i have to go and run around the park
now. thanks again for the opportunity to come out and say hi to
y'all. 

*woof woof* which of course, in dawg means 'later'

love and sloppy, wet kisses,

mrdrooper

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: anne@sandstrom.com
Subject: Re: And now for A Case of You . . .

Sorry if I'm repeating what someone else has said. (I
read my e-mail in reverse order 'cuz that's how it
comes in...)
Anyway, the line "I am as constant as the northern
star" is a direct quote from one of Shakespeare's plays
- - (Romeo and Juliet, I think?).

lots of love
Anne

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:01:03 -0700
From: juancito@juno.com
Subject: Re: question about "For Free"

Bob,

Thanks for your quick and friendly reply. My question was prompted by
what I perceive as similarities between the two songs in both structure
and theme. Am I the only one who has ever questioned this, or is it all
in my head (always a possibility! LOL)

Anyway, thanks again.

Jim



On Mon, 20 May 2002 08:57:45 -0400 SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes:
> <<Does anyone know which song came first: For Free, or
> James Taylor's "Hey Mister, That's Me up on the Jukebox" ? >>
> 
> Hiya Jim,
> 
> Joni performed "For Free" as early as 1969. James' song didn't come 
> out until 'Mud SLide Slim' in 1971. I wouldn't bet the mortgage on 
> it, but I would bet a paycheck that For Free was the earlier song.
> 
> Welcome to the JMDL...please don't be concerned with "treading old 
> ground". Indeed, as we just saw with the Electricity thread, there 
> is always something gained with doing exactly that.
> 
> Bob
> 
> NP: Doogie White, "This Flight Tonight"

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:10:14 -0500
From: "J.David Sapp" <davidsapp@peoplepc.com>
Subject: And now for A Case of You . . .

kate wrote:
<also the line 'part of you pours out of me in these lines from time to time'
... more than just her love for him pouring out...it could be his
musical/lyrical influence on her that comes pouring out of her...

add to that the oh canada reference & i think it could be about l cohen...>

This is what I always thought.
peace, david

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:39:47 +0000
From: "Timothy Spong" <tim_spong@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Parker Fly, VG-8 and VG-88; foreword to books

  Bree wrote, in part: ...
>
>
>Hi josh and everyone.....happy sunny Sunday to you...
>
>The Parker Fly is a guitar....stratlike.  Randy had pointed out that it is
>very lightweight.  Because of Joni's childhood polio this left her with 
>very
>little muscles in her back.  This guitar has been a blessing.  I would say
>this is the main reason she uses the Parker Fly.... because it is so
>lightweight.

... and I add: According to a description read in either a catalog or a 
buyer's guide, at least one model of the Parker Fly (and maybe all) has a 
piezo pickup, in addition to the magnetic pickups. The piezo pickup, if used 
by itself, gives the sound of an acoustic guitar played through 
amplification, as contrasted to the electric-guitar sound of the magnetic 
pickups. In a sense, that is redundant when using the VG-8 or VG-88, which 
have, among their available sounds, acoustic guitars (probably both 
nylon-stringed and steel-stringed) -- the actual guitar serves as a 
triggering mechanism, and its sound, as such, is not what comes out the 
speaker. "Strat-like" may describe the overall way the Fly is made, except 
for the piezo pickup, but not its appearance, with that oddly shaped top 
"horn."


Also, Susan [Ozwoman312@aol.com] wrote (in part):


>~ Bob, in reply to your request for Joni appearing in fiction, I only 
>*just*
>finished re-reading a favorite novel, The Pull of the Moon by Elizabeth 
>Berg
>- - I can't come up with the word for the quote page at the beginning of a 
>book
>(not dedication... inscription... attribution... prologue... 
>introduction...
>foreshadowing... but I'll be d*mned if I can remember what it *is*!), 
>but...
>
  The term is "foreword," and the word itself usually appears, like a title, 
on any given book's foreword.

  Tim Spong
  Dover, Del., U.S.A.


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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:01:04 -0500
From: "mia ortlieb" <hvnphun16@hotmail.com>
Subject: Joni and Carly question

All this talk of Joni and Carly has me thinking.  Perhaps this was discussed 
before, but I was wondering if anybody knows if the man from Carly's "You're 
so Vain" is the same man from Joni's "Just Like This Train" (my vain 
darling)? I heard a rumour that Carly was singing about Warren Beatty.  Did 
Joni ever date Warren?

Mia


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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:05:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Denny Giovanetti <BlindLemonPledge@musicnote.com>
Subject: Of inscriptions and things rendered unto Caesar

Re:  ACOY
anne@sandstrom.com e-queried
>Anyway, the line "I am as constant as the northern
>star" is a direct quote from one of Shakespeare's plays
>- (Romeo and Juliet, I think?).

'Twas Julius Caesar who spake:
But I am constant as the northern star,
Of whose true-fixd and resting quality
There is no fellow in the firmament.
(Julius Cfsar. Act iii. Sc. 1.)
. . .unbeknownst that such hubris would soon be gravely punctured 


"Timothy Spong" <tim_spong@hotmail.com> wrote:
>  The term is "foreword," and the word itself usually appears, like a title, >on any given book's foreword.
The term is "epigraph," generally a quotation (also applies to building inscriptions, etc.)

Denny 

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:28:10 -0700
From: "Kate Bennett" <kate@katebennett.com>
Subject: joni on tv

last night, late...saw a show on the woodstocks (my generation)...mostly
about the 94 & 99 with references back to 69 ... they played joni's
woodstock in the background which helped to underscore the contrast they
were getting across re the peacefulness of the original as opposed to the
others...

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:40:55 -0400
From: JRMCo1@aol.com
Subject: Last Waltz box

Hi.  Has anyone gotten the new Last Waltz 4 CD box set yet?  My understanding is that the Joni tracks included are unreleased acoustic versions of "Shadows and Light" and "Furry Sings the Blues."  I got the new DVD and was disappointed that no new Joni footage was added. Can anyone report on the Joni tunes on the new CDs?

- -Julius

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:51:08 -0400
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Last Waltz box

Hi Julius,

I don't have it but Stephen did when I visited him in NYC.

The Joni tunes on the new boxset are:

Coyote (was on the original 2-CD collection)
Shadows & Light (with the alt. arrangement she used on her '76 tour as well
Furry Sings The Blues

Joni also adds backup vocals to The Band's (brilliant) song Acadian Driftwood.

Bob

NP: Pearl Jam, "Smile"

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:55:44 -0400
From: KJHSF@aol.com
Subject: Re: What music will play at your funeral?

I realize I'm a little late responding to this, but I've been on the road for a few weeks and found myself washed up in the beach town of San Diego, looking for a place to live and a fresh start which is daunting, to say the least. My choices are three pieces of music, Fantasia on a theme of Thomas Tallis by Ralph Vaughan WIlliams, Hejira, and Amelia.
I'm in a coffee shop checking up on 300 posts from you guys and I can't tell you how much more connected it's made me feel since I've been so solitary these past few weeks.
much love
ken from SF now in SD

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:27:46 +0000
From: "Mike Pritchard" <ink08@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: men killing women NJC

My deadline for the 'men killing women' paper is drawing near and I have
a few, last minute things to clear up.

1. In 'not to blame' joni sings:
Six hundred thousand doctors are putting on rubber gloves.
And they're poking at the miseries made of love."

Any idea where this statistic comes from?

2. I still have received no clear information about the 'target' of this
song. Is it unclear if it was directed against Jackson Browne for the
Darryl Hannah 'incident' or is it merely about him and others, including
'generic' others? In other words, is this 'he' who was 'not to blame' one
of Joni's composite characters or not? If I attribute JB as the target of
the song am I being unfair? I am willing to resort to 'allegedly written
about the JB/DH incident' if necessary but I would like to be more
academically precise here. Any help would be appreciated, on-line or
off-line, on the record or off the record, confidentiality and anonymity
respected of course.

Also, what does the third verse mean "daddy. Let's get some girls, one
for you and one for me"? It's not important (I think) but I'd like to
know its meaning.

3. I haven't been able to find Dianne Zeigler's 'Sting of the Honeybee'
or The Dixie Chicks' 'Earl Had To Die. Does anyone have a copy of the
lyrics they could send? Thanks to anyone who can help.

Thanks again for all the advice about possible songs to use. It's been
fun (and horrific too) listening to it all.

Cheers,
mike in barcelona
NP turbulent indigo

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:12:50 -0500
From: Gerald Notaro <notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
Subject: cavolina

Does anyone know if Joni's art director Robbie Cavolina is related to
the Fez booker Ellen Cavolina? She was a friend and big supporter of
Jeff Buckley.

Jerry

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:01:39 -0400
From: JRMCo1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Last Waltz box

Thanks, Bob.  I was hoping to get some qualitative information though.  How does the Waltz "Shadows and Light" compare to the Shadows and Light live version, for instance?  How does Robbie and the Band accompaniment of Joni on "Furry" and "S&L" compare to Pat Metheny, Jaco, et al?  Stuff like that.  

I don't think I'll buy the CD box, as I'm pretty waltzed out after seeing the theater re-release and watching the DVD, both au natural and then with 3 different types of voice-over commentary.  Some interesting comments on Joni by Scorsese and the others on the DVD, by the way.

- -Julius

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:09:18 -0400
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: men killing women NJC

Hi Mike,

I've sent you the lyrics you requested offlist...as for "Not To Blame", I thought it was about Les Ross! No, wait a minute, he just sang it at last year's fest...;~)

Joni has never formally stated that NTB is about O.J. Simpson, Jackson Browne, or anyone specifically, only that it's about male-female abusive behavior like what was (allegedly) exhibited from these guys. (I'm sure OJ is tracking the real killer as we speak!)

It's just a case of "if the shoe fits, you must acquit". No, sorry, it's "if the shoe fits, wear it"...

As for the verse, "daddy. Let's get some girls, one
for you and one for me", I've always thought that it was showing that abusive behavior is passed from father to son, or from one generation to the next, and already at the age of three this child sees girls as an expendable commodity (in his own way, like you would replace a broken toy or something). Or, it could be that the child is "parrotting" something he's overheard his father say. Three year olds will definitely do that!

Bob

NP: Pearl Jam, "Of The Girl" 

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:37:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: men killing women NJC

- --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:
> Joni has never formally stated that NTB is about
> O.J. Simpson, Jackson Browne, or anyone
> specifically, only that it's about male-female
> abusive behavior like what was (allegedly) exhibited
> from these guys. (I'm sure OJ is tracking the real
> killer as we speak!)
> 

When I first heard this song, I was sure it was about
OJ - however, the song came out before the OJ
incident, so, even if it seems to fit, it couldn't
possibly.


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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:46:15 -0400
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: men killing women NJC

<<so, even if it seems to fit, it couldn't possibly.>>

So maybe we need to add "time traveler" onto that list of Joni attributes? ;~)

Bob

NP: Pere Ubu, "why go alone?"

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:55:47 -0400
From: "Josh Eubank" <josheubank@mindspring.com>
Subject: how I got on to Joni, plus info on new album!

I had gotten an email from the list asking me to write how I got on to
Joni...I got in to her thanks to my guitar teacher about six years ago who had
made me an assortment tape of different artists!  He left the state several
years ago so I no longer work with him, but I've started picking up my
acoustic once again!  I currently put on Joni material usually the later
recordings Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm, TI, and TTT!  I really enjoy learning
some of the chords and the notes to the songs somewhat!  Alsi I live in
Lovettsville VA, in Loudoun County!

Oh by the way, I've heard rumors that TI is out of print!  I was hoping to get
a copy for a friend!  Anyone can answer this question!  One more thing, anyone
on the list can answer this, anyone know any more about Joni's new upcoming
album, song list, release date, etc?

Thanks!

Josh

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:53:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: it's a dog's life NJC

- --- Mr Drooper <mrdrooperdog@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> i was very excited to see that other pets have
> email! i would be
> very interested to know how your cat finds typing on
> a key
> board. i wonder if her pads get in the way like mine
> do. 

I imagine they're the hunt-and-peck kind of typists,
one paw per key, and that they get the skinniest one
to do the typing, although the hobbit-like hair
between her toes must make this a bit of a challenge. 
Unfortunately I've never caught the little hairballs
red-pawed, but I know they've been there, because I
find fur between the keys, and the cats give me these
shifty-eyed looks whenever I head for the computer -
as if they're wondering whether they remembered to
cover up all the evidence. I'm still not sure what
they're up to, but I've got my eye on them.

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:52:57 -0500
From: "Sybil Skelton" <sybilskelton@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: men killing women NJC

Mike asks:

"Also, what does the third verse mean "daddy. Let's get some girls, one
for you and one for me"? It's not important (I think) but I'd like to
know its meaning."

I think this is the part of the song that points most definitively at 
Jackson Browne - his son was 3 years old when his first wife committed 
suicide.  Some have inferred that Joni was implying that Jackson was in some 
way responsible for his wife's death.  At any rate, I've always found this 
part of the song way, way, way beneath someone of Joni's talent - if indeed 
it is a reference to Jackson's motherless child.  Jackson is a big boy and 
can take his lumps (pun intended), but leave the kid out of it.

Sybil




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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:57:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Catherine McKay <anima_rising@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: men killing women NJC

- --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote:
> <<so, even if it seems to fit, it couldn't
> possibly.>>
> 
> So maybe we need to add "time traveler" onto that
> list of Joni attributes? ;~)
> 

Good idea - I was going to say that maybe she's a
prophet, but we know that, don't we? Still, let's add
it to the list.

> NP: Pere Ubu, "why go alone?"

This is funny - I was in a university production of
the play "Ubu Roi" once upon a time - it was fun.



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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:52:49 EDT
From: RoseMJoy@aol.com
Subject: re:My Sister Catherine njc

Thank you ever so much for all of your prayers and kind words. Cathy passed 
away at 3:40 today. It seemed as though she just waited for my brother 
Nicholas and I to arrive at the hospital. Her daughter Rosemarie was there as 
well as her physician. She likes that name, I'm told she named me. She left 
us peacefully. Although we were 12 years apart, she's always been there for 
me. She is sadly missed.

Thanks again
much love,
rose 

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:29:16 -0400
From: Deb Messling <messling@enter.net>
Subject: Re: NYT book review (NJC)

This Paul Charles appears to be a pop music lover.  Some of his other 
titles are:

Fountain of Sorrow
I Love the Sound of Breaking Glass
The Ballad of Sean and Wilko



>"Like every other title in Paul Charles's series of detective novels about
>Inspector Christy Kennedy, THE HISSING OF THE SILENT LONELY ROOM (Do-Not
>Press/Dufour, cloth $29.95; paper $15.95) sounds as if it wants to be a song
>title.

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:19:43 -0700
From: Lindsay Moon <moonlj@san.rr.com>
Subject: FW: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus

Yep, I found it too.  
Lindsay

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castater" <dcastater@yahoo.com>; "j castater" <jcastater@cox.net>; "janice
castater" <jcastater@yahoo.com>; "john castater" <johnboy92124@yahoo.com>;
"cdr" <caldepo@msn.com>; "cathy a. cosby" <ccosby1@san.rr.com>; "Cathy
Cosby" <cathycosby@yahoo.com>; "sandy davis" <zandy1@adelphia.net>; "gail de
la cruz" <gdelacru@hotmail.com>; "rocio delacruz"
<rocio.delacruz@seaworld.com>; "belinda delgado"
<belindadelgado@hotmail.com>; "robert denos" <robertgd@pobox.com>; "Gen
Dodd" <gendodd@cox.net>; "Joanie Ecker" <ecker@adelphia.net>; "Joanie Ecker"
<joanieecker@hotmail.com>; "Noel Edwards" <weebits@hotmail.com>; "Els"
<papageno@cts.com>; "Celeste Healey" <rhealey@nctimes.net>; "rob jameyson"
<robjameyson@netzero.net>; "stephanie kuhne" <slkuhne@hotmail.com>; "carol
lanfair" <c.lanfair@att.net>; "valerie legg" <vlegg@san.rr.com>; "vicki
lewis" <vlewis@san.rr.com>; "jamie liquori" <liquori@san.rr.com>; "Anibal
Loaiza" <aloaiza123@yahoo.com>; "anibal loaiza" <aloaiza2@mail.sandi.net>;
"randall madsen" <randallmadsen@hotmail.com>; "Irene Martinez"
<martinez_irenem@hotmail.com>; "matteo matteo" <salsaitalia@yahoo.com>;
"Kernan McLuster" <k_mcluster@hotmail.com>; "Danielle Mullineaux"
<dmullineaux@san.rr.com>; "val quaid" <valquaid@aol.com>; "joan riese"
<jriese@sdcoe.k12.ca.us>; "renee sedgwick" <rsedgwsp@co.san-diego.ca.us>;
"renee sedgwick" <rfsedgwick@hotmail.com>; "tim sandy shaub"
<tsshaub@hotmail.com>; "elana hubby simmons" <ce-simmons@cox.net>; "anita
smith" <arsmith@cts.com>; "Robin Sunkees" <rsunkees@san.rr.com>; "janet
terlouw" <grommert@yahoo.com>; "janet mike turlouw" <iamdata@gateway.net>;
"mike r. turlouw" <callmedata@yahoo.com>; "wil wilcox" <wswilcox@pobox.com>;
"stephanie witte" <sawitte@cox.net>; "kim woodworth" <kcastater@yahoo.com>;
"kim woodworth" <kim@ourcasa.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:41 PM
Subject: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus


> I never opened an attachment from the person that this
> virus came from, yet I found it on my hard drive.
> Please check your hard drive utilizing the
> instructions below.
>
> jmc
>
>  Subject: Fw: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus
> > Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:50:48 -0700
> >
> > I'm not sure if I passed this along, but just in
> > case, please check your
> > system.  Sorry if I did and for the inconvenience.
> >
> > Elana
> > > Subject: Fw: Undeliverable: Fwd: Virus
> >
> >
> > > As most of you know my system was infected with a
> > virus and it
> > independently
> > > sent itself to corrupt everyone else in my system.
> >  Please read the bottom
> > > instructions on how to locate this "teddybear"
> > icon in your system and
> > > delete it before it continues.  IT DELETED MY
> > NORTON FIREWALL & VIRUS
> > > DETECTION before sending itself on!  I have since
> > replaced that with
> > another
> > > (zonealarmpro).  Again, my regrets. K
> > >
> > > __________________________________________
> > > My Norton Anti Virus always checks both incoming
> > > and outgoing messages but this time when i
> > checked, I found this virus
> > > lurking in a corner waiting to pounce.,  So-you
> > might want to check your
> > > system urgently, just in case!
> > >
> > > My address Book has been infected with the cirus
> > > call(jdbgmgr.exe) and it is not currently detected
> > by Norton or McAfee
> > > anti0-irus systems.
> > >  The virus sits quietly for 14 days before
> > damaging
> > > the system.  It' s sent automatically by the
> > messenger and by the address
> > > Book whether or not you sent emails to your
> > contacts.
> > >
> > > Here's how to check for the virus and how to get
> > > rid of it:
> > > 1. go to Start, then Find or Search option.
> > > 2. In the Files/folder option,write the name
> > > jdbgmgr.exe
> > > 3.Be sure you search your C:drive
> > > 4. Click "find now"
> > > 5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the
> > >  namejdbgmgr.exe
> > > 6. DO NOT OPEN IT> Right click and delete it.  It
> > >  will then go to the Recycle Bin.
> > > 7. Go to the Recycle Bin and delete it there as
> > >  well.
> > >
> > >  If you find the virus, you must contact all the
> > > people in your address book so they can eradicate
> > it in their own address
> > > books.  As you all appear in my address book it is
> > quite likely that
> > several
> > > recipeients of
> > >  at his message will have been sent the virus
> > > automatically in  the last 24 hors - so please
> > check and eradicate and no
> > > harm will be done. I am sending this just to be
> > sure since their are so
> > > many viruses at the moment.
> > > Beryl
> LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience
> http://launch.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:53:13 -0700
From: Lindsay Moon <moonlj@san.rr.com>
Subject: Neil Finn/Virus Alert (NJC)

Bad News:  Well, to all whom I panicked and sent the virus alert info -- 
never mind.  The astute Alison E. says it was a hoax and the file is a 
legitimate one.  I prove my computer illiteracy more every day ...  I'm 
sorry if I irritated you in any way.  Thank you, Alison, for letting me 
know.

Good News:  Those interested in Neil Finn (of Crowded House, Split Enz, 
etc.) will be interested to know he's touring and the dates are available 
here:  http://www.frenz.com/neilfinn/tour.html

I'm thinking Michael Paz will probably be talking him into a stop in New 
Orleans for a spot on his show and a gala city tour ...  Let me know (I'm 
not good with virus info. but can get coffee pretty well ...)

Feeling sheepish,
Lindsay

P.S.  I'm redeeming myself to the list by working on the transcription of 
another Joni interview.  Should be absolved ... uh, done, soon.
P.P.S.  At least I remembered NJC.

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:57:00 -0700
From: "Mark or Travis" <mark.travis@gte.net>
Subject: Re: And now for A Case of You . . .

> kate wrote:
> <also the line 'part of you pours out of me in these lines from time to
time'
> ... more than just her love for him pouring out...it could be his
> musical/lyrical influence on her that comes pouring out of her...
>
> add to that the oh canada reference & i think it could be about l
cohen...>
>
> This is what I always thought.
> peace, david
>

I never thought this line was specifically about love or musical influence.
She sings:

I remember the time you told me
You said 'love is touching souls'
Surely you touched mine
Cause part of you pours out of me
In these lines from time to time

To me this is more about how two people who share intense feelings for one
another and spend a lot of time together tend to rub off on one another.
Travis & I will sometimes say the exact same thing at the same time.  This
also happens with family members.  Sometimes I will say something and I seem
hear my mother or my father or my brother or sister's words & inflections
coming out of my mouth.  So yes, she is referring specifically to the lyrics
of the song when she says 'part of you pours out of me' but I think she
means much more than that.  The people we love deeply in our lives always
leave a part of their essence with us.  Souls touch and intertwine and we
change one another.  Even after the relationship is over that piece of the
other person's soul remains and sometimes we recognize how much a part of
that person is now a part of us when we say something in a certain way or
have certain thoughts & feelings - and sometimes I imagine it comes out in
song lyrics, too.

And going back to the 'constant as a northern star' line I would just like
to point out that Joni is quoting the man in that line:

Just before our love got lost *you* said,
'I am as constant as a northern star'

and then she replies:

And *I* said, 'Constantly in the darkness
Where's that at?

Things have gotten bad in this relationship and she is unimpressed with his
declaration of constancy.  Her answer is kind of flip, imo.  Kinda like,
'So?  You don't have a clue about this relationship so what does that mean?'
But in spite of this, she's hooked on the guy.  He's under her skin in a big
way and she can't give him up just yet.  Part of him will stay with her
forever.

Mark E in Seattle
who loves ACOY - up there in my top 10

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:41:12 EDT
From: Bobsart48@aol.com
Subject: Re: 100% Joni MDL Digest V2002 #221



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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:35:27 -0400
From: Scott and Jody <johnsonjs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Tom Waits on NPR - Fresh Air - 5-21 (NJC)

Hoping to catch up on the jmdl soon!!  I'm so far behind. I'm dying to
read the Electricity thread and some others.  I've never felt so out of
touch.
For all you Waits fans, just wanted to pass this along:

Anti Records (http://www.anti.com/news.php?newsid=86640) has announced
that
the Tom Waits interview on National Public Radio's Fresh Air with Terry
Gross will air this Tuesday (5/21).

Bye for now,
jody

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:38:46 -0400
From: Scott and Jody <johnsonjs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Forgot Fresh Air Airtimes (NJC)

Please check the Fresh Air website for airtimes in your market:
http://freshair.npr.org/

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:03:31 EDT
From: RobSher50@aol.com
Subject: Re: My Sister Catherine njc

<I more
Dear Rose,

I am so terribly sorry to hear the news about your sister. I will most 
definitely pray as you are asking. I will also pray for your courage and 
strength at this time. Thank you for letting us be a part of your life and 
share your burden at this terrible time.  

Love,
Sherelle

Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 11:36:41 EDT
From: RoseMJoy@aol.com
Subject: My Sister Catherine njc

My sister Cathy suffered a devastating stroke yesterday evening as a result 
to diabetes and hypertension. The damage done by the massive hemorrhage in 
her brain and the damage to the brain cells are irreversible effecting her 
ability to understand language and to speak or use the right side of her 
body. Please keep her in your prayers that she may have a peaceful passing.

~rose

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:47:27 -0700
From: Michael Paz <michaelpazz@directvinternet.com>
Subject: Home Again/Ryan Adams (NJC)

Hello All
Just made it home from the Springfest in Pensacola and I am worn out. I will
write a report later after I recover. Victor came and hung with me for the
weekend and it was cool to party with him and my friends really liked him.

For all you Ryan Adams fans out there he is on Leno tonight and I am off to
try to stay awake long enough to hear him.


Peace

Michael

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:07:52 -0700
From: "Kakki" <KakkiB@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: cavolina

Jerry asked:

> Does anyone know if Joni's art director Robbie Cavolina is related to
> the Fez booker Ellen Cavolina? She was a friend and big supporter of
> Jeff Buckley.

Yes, Ellen is Robbie's sister.

Robbie was there the night of the Carly-Chrissie incident, too ;-)

Kakki

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Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 00:09:23 EDT
From: Bobsart48@aol.com
Subject: Re: 100% joni Content now - and Electricity

Just got back from 10 days in Paris - 1st time, very interesting city ;-). 
Sure enough, I was sitting in a park, reading the news, and it still sure 
looks bad, 30 years later. Now, if I ever get caught up, perhaps I will write 
about the good stuff......

OK - back to business. 

Topic 1 - Joni's charms - per Bob Mueller, we get started with:

Composer (let's count melody, chord structure, rhythm)
Lyricist (let's let poet fit in this category ?)
Vocalist
Instrumentalist (really, her contributions to the guitar - tunings, et al 
- -are considerable)

To this I would add

Arranger 
Producer (she has made a list of noteworthy producers, if I am not mistaken)

So, if you are comparing, it is more like a "sextuple" threat. [Speaking of 
which, if only she weren't so darned homely ;-) ]

Oh, right, and as the others said,

Painter
Raconteur

Won't somebody please, please Help Me ? (Isn't that a Beatles song ?)

Topic 2 - (Psycho) Analysis

Or, why I think I like a song ( "I liked the words, and it's easy to dance 
to", extended):

I sometimes find myself analyzing songs (I am a little strange, but aren't we 
all ?) breaking them down - for evaluation purposes - into

1.    Melody
2.    Chord structure
3.    Rhythm
4.    Lyrics
5.    Harmony and counterpoint
6.    Arrangement 
7.    Vocal performance
8.    Instrumental performance
9.    Production/engineering
10.  Magic (the connection among the pieces - especially the Lyrics with the 
Music)

The first 9 items go right back to Topic 1. They also reinforce for me why, 
on a gut level, I liked the Beatles and Joni the most. Of course, there were 
'5' Beatles, but there is only one Joni.

Topic 3 - Item 10 above

I had noted the connection between the music and the lyrics a couple of weeks 
ago in a post, in which I named a few 'later' Joni songs that I thought "had 
it" (that magical connection between words and music), and others that were 
good in the other 9 ways, but did not (IMO). I also quoted a couple of lines 
from "Lesson in Survival" that I thought captured the essence of this point.

FTR (the album) is very strong in this regard, throughout. Electricity is a 
classic example, and has always been a personal favorite of mine. But Cold 
Blue Steel is perhaps even more exquisite in this regard. Also outstandingly 
well connected are LIS, LTWCM, FTR (you can sort of hear the arbutus rustling 
in that song), WOHAM, YTMOIAR, JOTMAS. Even the Banquet, with its demanding 
tone (correct for a protest song) and the seagulls squawking and the water 
skiers gliding.  This is very artistic, to me.  I do not feel that that the 
'connection' is as strong in Barangrill, See You Sometime and Blonde in the 
Bleachers, but you could do worse that fill out your album with those 3 
songs. And 9 out of 12 special connections - when it is rare if even 3 or 4 
cuts on an album "have it".

Bob S.  

(had 8 hours on the plane today to list her albums in order of personal 
preference - only took me 2 hours to do it  ;~)

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:33:37 -0700
From: "Kakki" <KakkiB@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: FTR live and Covers Volume 29

Janine wrote:

> I, too, have always felt Electricity was about my beloved JT  who had to
have
> torn her heart out, of course, I have to blame it on that darn Cold Blue
Steel
> and Sweet Fire.  I have also wondered if this song was not in response to
> Carly's frustrations with JT? She obviously still wants a connection to
him
> despite the Minus's current lovelessness.

My next door neighbor in the college dorm was as much into Carly as I was
into Joni and would talk to me about the JT connection.  She's the one that
alerted me to Carly's song "No Secrets" and said it there was a put down to
Joni in it. I've posted the lyrics below.  If true, I thought maybe Joni
would see the song as sort of a gloat and thought Electricity was her
rejoinder.  Both albums were released in November 1972.  Speaking of Robbie
Cavolina, he once told me that Carly and Joni have long been very good
friends, so bygones are bygones. ;-)    Kakki


(We Have) NO SECRETS  (Carly Simon)

We have no secrets
We tell each other everything
About the lovers in the past
And why they didn't last
We share a cast of characters from A to Z
We know each others fantasies
And though we know each other better when we explore
Sometimes I wish
Often I wish
That I never knew some of those secrets of yours

The water was cold
The beach was empty but for one
Now you were lying in the sun
Wanting and needing no-one
Then some child came, you never asked for her to come
She drank a pint of your Rum
And later when you told me
You aid she was a bore
Sometimes I wish
Often I wish
That I never knew some of those secrets of yours

In the name of honesty, in the name of what is fair
You always answer my questions
But they don't always answer my prayers
And though I know you say that it's me that you adore
Sometimes I wish
Often I wish
That I never, never, never knew
Some of those secrets of yours
Some of those secrets of yours
Some of those secrets of yours
We have no secrets
Telling each other most everything now

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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:24:44 -0700
From: Randy Remote <guitarzan@direcpc.com>
Subject: Re: men killing women NJC

Almost every line of this song points to it being about Browne.
When it came out, Jackson was quoted in print wondering why
Joni would write such a condemnation of him. When asked,
Joni denied it was about him.
RR

Mike Pritchard wrote:

> My deadline for the 'men killing women' paper is drawing near and I have
> a few, last minute things to clear up.
>
> 1. In 'not to blame' joni sings:
> Six hundred thousand doctors are putting on rubber gloves.
> And they're poking at the miseries made of love."
>
> Any idea where this statistic comes from?
>
> 2. I still have received no clear information about the 'target' of this
> song. Is it unclear if it was directed against Jackson Browne for the
> Darryl Hannah 'incident' or is it merely about him and others, including
> 'generic' others? In other words, is this 'he' who was 'not to blame' one
> of Joni's composite characters or not? If I attribute JB as the target of
> the song am I being unfair? I am willing to resort to 'allegedly written
> about the JB/DH incident' if necessary but I would like to be more
> academically precise here. Any help would be appreciated, on-line or
> off-line, on the record or off the record, confidentiality and anonymity
> respected of course.
>
> Also, what does the third verse mean "daddy. Let's get some girls, one
> for you and one for me"? It's not important (I think) but I'd like to
> know its meaning.
>
> 3. I haven't been able to find Dianne Zeigler's 'Sting of the Honeybee'
> or The Dixie Chicks' 'Earl Had To Die. Does anyone have a copy of the
> lyrics they could send? Thanks to anyone who can help.
>
> Thanks again for all the advice about possible songs to use. It's been
> fun (and horrific too) listening to it all.
>
> Cheers,
> mike in barcelona
> NP turbulent indigo
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:41:39 -0700
From: Randy Remote <guitarzan@direcpc.com>
Subject: Re: 100% joni Content now - and Electricity and now njc

Bobsart48@aol.com wrote:

> on a gut level, I liked the Beatles and Joni the most. Of course, there were
> '5' Beatles,

ah, the 'fifth' Beatle.
Murray the K.
George Martin
Stu Sutcliffe
Pete Best
Mal Evans
Billy Preston
Yoko Ono
Jimmy Nicol
Brian Epstein
The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Neil Aspinall

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