From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #220 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 18 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 220 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: May 17 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: May 17 [les@jmdl.com] Worm Klez.E immunity ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Juliet Stevenson - NJC ["hell" ] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC ["hell" ] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% NJC now [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Meeting Fred W NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: This Masquerade [anne@sandstrom.com] CSN + Elvis on VH1, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Songs of Love NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: truly, madly, deeply now Juliet Stevenson NJC [] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% NJC now ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Learn more about how we use your information, [Gerald Notaro ] Re: ben harper - njc [Jerry Notaro ] May 17th (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re:Joni in Fiction/"About a Boy" [Gertus@aol.com] Re:"Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC [WARREN901@aol.com] Eileen Ivers Band (njc) ["Maggie McNally" ] Melissa and Bruce and CPR and Fred W.(njc) [] NJC Thank you so much ["James Phillips" ] May 17th (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Worm Klez.E immunity [Mike Friedman ] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% NJC now [Mags N Brei ] Re: Re:"Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC ["Mark or Travis" ] And now for A Case of You . . . ["Buck - the - Dog" Subject: Worm Klez.E immunity les, did you mean to send this?..sounds like a familiar hoax... >>Worm Klez.E immunity Klez.E is the most common world-wide spreading worm.It's very dangerous by corrupting your files. Because of its very smart stealth and anti-anti-virus technic,most common AV software can't detect or clean it. We developed this free immunity tool to defeat the malicious virus. You only need to run this tool once,and then Klez will never come into your PC. NOTE: Because this tool acts as a fake Klez to fool the real worm,some AV monitor maybe cry when you run it. If so,Ignore the warning,and select 'continue'. If you have any question,please mail to me.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:05:45 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Juliet Stevenson - NJC Mark wrote: > She is amazing in this movie! I would love to see her in anything she's > done. Has she been in any other theatrically released movies? There is an > interview with Minghella on the DVD and he says she is a well-known > Shakespearean actress in Britain. He co-wrote the script with her in mind > and said he wanted to see her in a part that was more like what her real > life is - a lot of people coming and going and kind of zany & hectic. I think Juliet Stevenson is more well-known as a Shakespearean stage actress, rather than movie actress, but she's appeared in several TV roles, and several less widely-known movies. A search on Google.com will give you quite a few sites. I saw her recently in a British mini-series called The Politician's Wife, where she was brilliant. She played the wife of an adulterous politician and has to make the decision whether to leave, or stand by him. Great stuff. I've also seen her in a very different role - being interviewed by Ruby Wax for Ruby's show (a hint - Ruby is VERY good friends with Jennifer Saunders from AbFab) where she tries to show all her many and varied sides. It's next to impossible to do credit to the skit here - it has to be seen to be appreciated - but it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen! She really is an incredible actress! I haven't seen Truly, Madly, Deeply yet, but I think I might have to rent it tomorrow! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:42:51 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC Bob wrote: > Which you certainly wouldn't want to have for a mantra. Now, can we take > this another step along and look at "Edith & The Kingpin" & the "wires in > the wall humming some song, some mysterious song". Is there any > relationship between the song sung in "Electricity" and the wires in the > wall? The "mantra", as you suggest? Is she even referring to electrical > wires, or something different? Are they the same "wires in the wall" in > Man From Mars? Since I've been guilted into de-lurking, I might as well just keep going! Geez, Bob, and I was trying to get the boxes for the cover CDs finished.... ;o) I thought it might be interesting to search for all of Joni's uses of "electricity" (or derivatives) in songs, and analyse them one by one. There are quite a few - some maybe a little far-fetched, but I've started, so I'll finish (of course, I may have missed a couple, too)! I'm not analysing the whole songs, just the phrases using those lines. Electricity "We once loved together, And we floodlit that time, Input output electricity, But the lines overloaded, And the sparks started flying" Here she seems to be talking about the connection she has with that person, and how powerful it is. Actually too powerful, since the "lines overloaded". Although the sparks are flying, they're not "good" sparks, and she's getting burned. Edith And The Kingpin "A plane in the rain is humming, the wires in the walls are humming, Some song some mysterious song" I see this as a similar reference to the first - she can feel that electricity starting to flow between Edith and the Kingpin, but it's not quite as evident, just a humming in the walls, that's gaining in power. You Dream Flat Tires "It came to pass, Like lightening striking from above, Electric flash, Just like lightening striking from above, Struck by precious love" A pretty unambiguous reference - she's in that first flush of love, where every look and glance is like being hit by a lightning bolt. Come In From The Cold "Is this just vulgar electricity, Is this the edifying fire" A more cynical reference perhaps - she's older and wiser, and acknowledging that the "spark" or lightning bolt may not mean true love (although sometimes it does!). Maybe it's the first sign of a possibility, hence the word "edifying". Before these lines, are the lines "And so with just a touch of our fingers, I could make our circuitry explode" which I think is another reference to the spark - but she's associating that spark with youthful enthusiasm, not the wisdom of age. Yvette In English "How did he wind up here again? Walking and talking, Touched and scared, Uninsulated wires left bare" Not so much a reference to electricity, but to the rawness he feels around Yvette - raw and exposed. Man From Mars "The silence is so full of sounds, You're in them all, I hear you in the water, And the wiring in the walls" I think this is very similar to the way she used these words in EATK, except in this case, although the sounds are there, she's imagining them, rather than them being real. Love Puts On A New Face "He said "I wish you were with me here, The leaves are electric, They burn on the river bank, Countless heatless flames" Again, a more literal use of electric, referring more to the colour of autumn leaves, like fire - orange, red, brown. Of course I'm sure to have missed a few references, and this is (the same old disclaimer) just my opinion. But you did ask! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:15:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% NJC now <> In the same way a painting can be "busy"; that is, there's too much going on with it for any focused clarity to take place. In much the same way as a song can be "busy", too many players, overarrranged, etc. I would think it's EASY for a technical manual to be Busy and cluttered and not user-friendly. I would say most of them are probably this way. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:16:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Meeting Fred W NJC <> Very cool, Kate...his warmth seems to just resonate from hearing from the people that have met him. How fortunate for you - AND for him! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:12:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC <> Wow - that was a pretty awesome piece, Hell! And I think you're right on with each of the references. Funny how Joni uses the "electricity" metaphor so often. Perhaps she grew up having to turn off lights & conserve electricity and grew to think of it as something precious. Maybe it's like Mark says, she has a much more acute sense of things like that then the average folk. She CERTAINLY has a better sensitivity to wrtiting about it. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Masters of War" Greenville SC 2/13/02 (Hey, I was there!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 05:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: This Masquerade > > When I went back to the lyrics and read the first > > line, The Minus is > > loveless...it made me think that Minus is some > > mythical creature, alone > > on a hill, and yes I realize that this has no > > bearing on the rest of > > the song... . (my mind works in wondrous ways at > > 5:30 a.m. > > > > Like you, I love this song & am really enjoying this > thread. Maybe you were thinking of the Minotaur who > doesn't live on a hill, so much as maybe *in* one (or > under one, wherever the labyrinth may be.) I think > that's a great idea, whether Joni meant it or not! Y'know, I don't conjure an image of a man either and I only realized that with this post. I kind of think of Joni's "Art" instead - sort of an idea of something instead of a flesh and blood human being. Hmmmm.... And this thread is great - and somewhat humbling! It makes me want to rethink how I interpret all of Joni's songs! lots of love Anne > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:59:51 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: CSN + Elvis on VH1, NJC Coming up on VH1 next monday: CSN uplugged. On tuesday: Elvis Costello live. To your VCRs. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 05:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Songs of Love NJC Thanks for the heads-up on this, Sybil. I'll definitely check it out. [and now for the long, boring, personal part - feel free to hit Delete :-)] So, yesterday was my second injection of the anti-cancer vaccine. I wind up sitting around for a few hours on the floor (well, in a chair...) where the chemo treatments are given. Yesterday, I met a wonderful family. The wife has throat cancer and just started chemo. The husband and sister(?) were great. We all laughed a lot. The husband even bought us all Dove bar dark chocolate. Yum! Anyway, every so often I realize how far out there I am. I'm only the sixth human being to be injected with this stuff. All the other injectees have been mice! (Clearly, I'm going to dress up as a lab animal this Halloween...) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:53:08 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC In a message dated 5/17/02 6:40:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > I thought it might be interesting to search for all of Joni's uses of > "electricity" (or derivatives) in songs, and analyse them one by one. There's another reference to "electricity" in Come in From The Cold And so with just a touch of our fingers I could make our circuitry explode I don't think too much analysis needs to be done here, it speaks for itself. sexual congress, attraction ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:14:11 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: truly, madly, deeply now Juliet Stevenson NJC > i think juliet stevenson is a >> gem of an actress and had seen her in a few things on PBS over the >> years. > in TRULY MADLY DEEPLY was the first film I watched where I marveled at the onscreen presence of Juliet Stevenson. Since then I was on the lookout for her other films. I saw LADDER OF SWORDS and SECRET RAPTURE and lights up the screen everytime. Even in a small role in EMMA, she, like Judy Davis, is a scenery-chewer! And that voice! What wonders she can do with that pliant and resonant voice! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:48:48 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Handyman (NJC) Sybil wrote: >It was recorded apparently by Jimmy Jones, but the version >I remember best that popularized it was Del Shannon. >Very different from JT's version as I recalll. Tieing into our thread on sexy songs, I thought (and still do) that JT's version is one of the sexiest ever. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:59:33 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% NJC now ><> BOB SAID: >In the same way a painting can be "busy"; that is, there's too much going >on >with it for any focused clarity to take place. I would think it's EASY >for a technical manual to be Busy and cluttered and not user-friendly. I >would say most of them are probably this way. How very true. I got a new car recently and was looking at the manual that came with it yesterday. It is SO busy and I would say well over half is stuff that has nothing to do directly with operating that car. (I guess Pontiac covering their ass: The safety advice just runs the gamut) Enjoying this tread as well. Thanks Alan!! Bree NP: Harlem in Havanna.....When Emma May ran away..... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:24:31 -0400 From: les Subject: Learn more about how we use your information, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:36:21 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Learn more about how we use your information, Careful. Les is infecting us! les wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:39:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Learn more about how we use your information, yeah, what's going on?? This is the second email I've gotten from him. The other had worm klez.E immunity in it's subject line. rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:44:23 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Learn more about how we use your information Joniphiles.... My apologies for these messages that appear to be coming from me - they're not. This virus thing is getting out of control. Hopefully, it will work its way out of the system soon. And, knowing how these things work, I'll apologize in advance for the porn email that will probably show up from me soon. :-) Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:04:02 -0400 From: Bob Shemkovitz Subject: Re: Electricity I've enjoyed reading the discussion here about Electricity. A lot of the listers have really given a lot of thought to their interpretations, and the multiple points of view have enhanced my appreciation for this song. It has always been one of my favorites, but I've never delved too deeply into the meaning of the lyrics beyond the basic premise of an electrical outage as a metaphor for a crashed romance. Looking and listening now, I think I agree with those of you who see Joni, or the narrator, as an observer of the story rather than a participant. It seems like she's looking at the dissolution of a relationship between two other people, and when the woman asks for the narrator's advice (And she holds out her flashlight / And she shines it on me / She wants me to tell her / What the trouble might be), it causes the narrator to reflect on a time when she was in a similar situation, apparently with the same man. But all she can do is relate her own experience (We once loved together...) without offering any advice that will help the other woman fix it. Then the last verse leaves the woman turning back to the man and asking him to help put the relationship back together. Anyway, that's my take, but I find that with Joni's songs, as with Dylan's, many interpretations and points of view can have equal validity. Thanks, Matt, for starting the discussion. Bob > Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:03:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: ben harper - njc Mags N Brei wrote: > Yes, I am a fan of Ben Harper, thanks to my daughter. Thanks, Mags. I realized that he is on the I Am Sam cd. He sings Strawberry Fields beautifully. > She adores the > guy. But that's another story... One I definitely understand! Jerry np: Nancy Lamott - Not a Day Goes By ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:09:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: May 17th (NJC) He claims he's not the *nice* Bob, but we all know that's not true! He brings a laugh to us all daily. He is someone I'm proud to have as a friend, and I can't wait to get lost in the Catskills with him for the third year in a row. Everybody please wish a big big big H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y T O BOB "The Smurph" MURPHY. Joni even wrote a song about him. check out: http://websmurfer.devnull.net/cgi-bin/translator.cgi?mode=smurf& url=http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/MyOldMan.cfm Hugs, Kisses (and wendies) DBF Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:41:47 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:Joni in Fiction/"About a Boy" In a message dated 17/05/02 08:07:00 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 00:57:14 EDT > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Subject: Joni in Fiction/"About a Boy" > > "About a Boy" opens in the US today. > > The Nick Hornby novel from which this film was made has 10 references to > Joni. SIQUOMB minds want to know if there any mentions of Joni or her music > in the film. Planning to take in a movie tonight? Check out "About a Boy" > and be the first one on the JMDL block to find out whether or not Joni is > mentioned . . . and then let us all know! Hi Bob, This film's been out for a couple of weeks in the UK and I went to see it last weekend. It's a good film and really worth seeing but, sadly, all Joni references have been removed. I say sadly, but in a way it's a good thing as I think her music would have been presented in a pretty bad light if it had been included - very uncool. She's been replaced by the Carpenters and, strangely, Roberta Flack. The filmtrack is by Badly Drawn Boy which works pretty well but I think they missed an opportunity to use some of Joni's music as background which could have been even better. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:39:53 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re:"Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC okay guys, didn't any of you folks do recreational drugs ? those wires in the wall are humming a mysterious song, or at least to edith they are after she has tilted " her tired face gently to the spoon." remember she is flying " snowblind." oh and by the way " she says - his crime belongs." this song is just fraught with drug references and would make it akin to " the jungle line," which also has them. ( is it just me ? ) tell me it ain't so... humming mysterious songs, ( probably written by joni ! ) warren keith p.s. didn't you guys hear those wires in the walls ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:00:44 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: Eileen Ivers Band (njc) I just came from a lecture-demonstration by the Eileen Ivers band at a Boston middle school. My company is presenting them tonight at Sanders Theater, an 1,100 seat theater in Cambridge (USA). We brought them into the school to talk about and play music for fifth and sixth graders. They were simply wonderful, playing Irish music and other forms of 'folk' music such as afro-Caribbean, blues and American Appalachian music. They each spoke about their instruments (fiddle, electric bass, percussion, guitar, pipes, harmonica and tap shoes) and demonstrated the role that it played as a part of the whole sound, but they each also gave a short history lesson and talked about the cultural blending that was a byproduct of bringing an instrument (e.g., electric bass) to playing a jig, for example. Simply inspired, and particularly excellent in the way they did not talk down to the young people. I'll be at their concert tonight, and I am anticipating that it will rock! If they come through your town, check them out! Maggie McNally Director of Special Events and Volunteer Services Celebrity Series of Boston, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:46:25 -0400 From: Subject: Melissa and Bruce and CPR and Fred W.(njc) Does anyone have the Thunder Road duet with Melisssa E. and Bruce, I think it was from a Storytellers or Unplugged (about 1992 or 3)? I'm trying to get to the CPR benefit in June, anyone else going, Kakki? I was just thinking about Fred W and hoping he was doing finr, thanks for the update, Kate! Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 05:00:57 +0800 From: "James Phillips" Subject: NJC Thank you so much to everyone on this list for your off-list condolences, too many to personally thank individually, but I truly appreciate it. On my website, I just updated it about 2 hours ago. The link is http://www.geocities.com/thebleachboi/home.html I've put up a dedication to my friend that passed away on the home page as well as a bit of how we meet on my "ramblings" page. The hardest part with a suicide is that you (the loved ones or friends left behind) constantly wonder if there was more you could have done. The guilt that you have is a natural thing, but you couldn't have done anything to rectify what was going on with the person you lost. I am going to go away for the weekend with my husband my guitar and my mandolin and a stack of cds to get away from the area. May God be with each and every one of you angels. James Phillips now playing Clark Carlton: Salt Water - -- Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:15:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: May 17th (NJC) (I'm posting this again, since I don't think it went through the first time) He claims he's not the *nice* Bob, but we all know that's not true! He brings a laugh to us all daily. He is someone I'm proud to have as a friend, and I can't wait to get lost in the Catskills with him for the third year in a row. Everybody please wish a big big big H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y T O BOB "The Smurph" MURPHY. Joni even wrote a song about him. check out: http://websmurfer.devnull.net/cgi-bin/translator.cgi?mode=smurf& url=http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/MyOldMan.cfm Hugs, Kisses (and wendies) DBF Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:32:05 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Worm Klez.E immunity But note that Klez is a Windows only virus. It doesn't affect Macintosh (or other non-Windows) users. On Friday, May 17, 2002, at 12:49 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > les, did you mean to send this?..sounds like a familiar hoax... > >>> Worm Klez.E immunity > > Klez.E is the most common world-wide spreading worm.It's very dangerous > by corrupting your files. > Because of its very smart stealth and anti-anti-virus technic,most common > AV software can't detect or clean it. > We developed this free immunity tool to defeat the malicious virus. > You only need to run this tool once,and then Klez will never come into > your PC. > NOTE: Because this tool acts as a fake Klez to fool the real worm,some AV > monitor maybe cry when you run it. > If so,Ignore the warning,and select 'continue'. > If you have any question,please mail to me.<< > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% NJC now - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > In the same way a painting can be "busy"; that is, there's too much > going on > with it for any focused clarity to take place. In much the same way > as a song > can be "busy", too many players, overarrranged, etc. I would think > it's EASY > for a technical manual to be Busy and cluttered and not > user-friendly. I > would say most of them are probably this way. > Right on Bobs, I think that the reason why manuals are "busy" is because they are written by the people who 'know' the mechanism or whatever very well, from the inside out, and that does not always translate into a language that those of us on the outside of that particular subject matter can decipher as well...at least imhe (in my humble experience). l'alienne shiksa ;-) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:40:56 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: electricity -more stuff to ponder I've been searching for that article I mentioned, but can't seem to find it. (Maybe I dreamt this.) Anyway, I pulled out my FTR guitar songbook today to look for other clues. Joni has alot of artwork that goes with her songs. I found a couple of quotation marks in "electricity". The first one shows up at: "She don't know the system............ The second quotation mark shows up at: "Well, the technical manual's busy........ The mystery question then would be - who is speaking these parts in the song? Stranger yet, there are no other quotation marks listed. The artwork that accompanies this song is a picture of a guy sitting by a pond with a good dog and some trees. I also looked at the cover of the songbook which has a painting of a horse's fannie with pictures inside. There is a car, but I think this is really the rented Rolls Royce from Barangrill. This painting is very interesting. Joni's face is on the horse's fannie. And dubbed over that, there is a bouquet of roses being held by women in 1930's (?) evening gowns, and a fish swimming (fresh salmon?)in the horses leg. I also see what appears to be an orange sun (the sun going down?) or moon (the moon swept down black water like an empty spotlight?). Joni's lyrics, music, and artwork never cease to amaze me! Mia (who should be studying for final exams right now) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% NJC now > Right on Bobs, I think that the reason why manuals are "busy" is > because they are written by the people who 'know' the mechanism or > whatever very well, from the inside out, and that does not always > translate into a language that those of us on the outside of that > particular subject matter can decipher as well...at least imhe (in my > humble experience). > > l'alienne shiksa > > ;-) OK, so I'm one of those people who write (or wrote) technical manuals. I used to be very good at it and the manuals were very clear. But since I started working for my current employer, I have to admit that I don't really 'get' the technology. So I have to rely on engineers who don't speak any known language. To decipher their communication and write something understandable takes all my time and energy. A lot of writers just give up and trust whatever others tell them, which makes for rotten manuals. So, that's why (after I'm off disability) I'm going to change careers. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:04:12 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: May 17th (NJC) > BOB "The Smurph" MURPHY. > Happy Burphy to Mr. Smurphy! Mark E in...oh hell, you know who it is. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:08:31 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re:"Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC > okay guys, didn't any of you folks do recreational drugs ? those wires in > the wall are humming a mysterious song, or at least to edith they are after > she has tilted " her tired face gently to the spoon." remember she is flying > " snowblind." oh and by the way " she says - his crime belongs." this song > is just fraught with drug references and would make it akin to " the jungle > line," which also has them. ( is it just me ? ) tell me it ain't so... It ain't just you, Warren. I agree wholeheartedly. In Edith's case I think those humming wires are the result of being way too coked out. And I still think it's a reference to the drug network she describes in 'The Jungle Line' with all of that wires & pipes metaphor. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:13:26 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: May 17th (NJC) >Everybody please wish a big big big > >H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > T O > >BOB "The Smurph" MURPHY. May you live to be a hundred years, With one extra year to repent!!! I always loved the month of May, now there is another added reason. I hope you had a wonderful day. The very best to you.... Bree >Hugs, Kisses (and wendies) > >DBF Jimmy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:35:03 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% JC > There's another reference to "electricity" in Come in From The Cold > > And so with just a touch of our fingers > I could make our circuitry explode > > I don't think too much analysis needs to be done here, it speaks for itself. > sexual congress, attraction Actually I think most of Joni's use of the electricity metaphor refers to sexual energy more than anything else. I agree that the song 'Electricity' is about a failed romantic relationship but the 'electricity' is in reference to the sexual attraction which is only one part of it. In the case of this relationship it is so strong that it obscures everything else. All reason is cast aside when the heat gets turned up with these two people. It's so good that it's become difficult to give it up even though, overall, it's a bad relationship. For awhile the sex was good enough to make it seem like the real thing but eventually the couple's problems connecting on other levels were just complicated even more by the physical chemistry. I know when I was younger it was very easy for me to think I must be in love with somebody just because there was incredible physical chemistry between us. Too often for my poor foolish heart it just wasn't so or it was one-sided and I'm sure you can guess who the dumpee was more often than not. Rose pointed out the line from 'Come in From the Cold' about the teenage Joni forced to stay a foot away from the boys when she danced with them and how one touch could set off explosions of newly born adolescent sexual energy. In the other line from this song 'is this just vulgar electricity/is this the edifying fire?' she wonders if it's the same sensation when her lover's leg touches hers under the table or if it's something loftier, somehow purifying and soulful. I think she means something purely physical when she talks about electricity in this song and in the song from For The Roses. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: May 17th (NJC) wishing you dear sweeet lovable Bob a joyous birthday filled with lots of sexy kisses and ummm errr whatever your beautiful heart desires. Looking forward to seeing you in the not too distant future. your canuckian sister du nord & monsieur le duque. (hmmmm wonder WOT this Wendies is all about??? hmmm heehee. xoxoxxxx > > Everybody please wish a big big big > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > T O > > BOB "The Smurph" MURPHY. > > Joni even wrote a song about him. > check out: > http://websmurfer.devnull.net/cgi-bin/translator.cgi?mode=smurf& > url=http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/MyOldMan.cfm > > > Hugs, Kisses (and wendies) > > DBF Jimmy ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:27:30 -0500 From: "Buck - the - Dog" Subject: And now for A Case of You . . . Well, thanks everybody. You've all given me the answers I was looking for and I have a new appreciation for the song now. I like how Joni uses certain lines ("He talks to the land and the leaves fall and the pond over-ices" and "While the song that he sang her to soothe her to sleep runs all through her circuits like a heartbeat") to get across the point that this person she loves has so much control over her (and the rest of the world--so she thinks) and she is so dependent on them. I can relate because it seems like that's what I'm always doing with women I (try to) have relationships with. And speaking of giving the other person the power over you in a relationship, I have a question about "A Case of You" now. Some of these lines are odd to me and I know someone can help me understand, because I was very impressed with all the thoughts on "Electricity." What exactly is the significance of drawing a map of Canada "with your face sketched on it twice." And besides that, what *is* a cartoon coaster? And what is meant by "Constantly in the darkness, where's that at?" I once had trouble understanding "I am a lonely painter; I live in a box of paints," but I now see that as meaning she is an artist who lives inside her work and is rarely touched by anyone outside her own little world and here this person has stepped in and made such an impression on it. Also, what is the significance of meeting the woman who "had a mouth like yours"? Sorry, I'm just full of analytical questions. Maybe after a few months here I will pick up some of the skills you guys have. :-) Thanks, Matt P.S. I feel like I should explain my e-mail address. Buck-the-Dog (hyphenated, like Julia-Louis Dreyfuss, or Louis-Dreyfuss, or whatever it is--sorry, only famous person with a hyphenated name I could think of as an example) is my dog for six years now and I gave him his own e-mail address a long time ago to blow someone's mind who sent him an e-card to my e-mail address on his birthday. I decided to send them a reply from Buck-the-Dog's address, and wound up using this address more than any other ones. Sorry if that makes me sound neurotic. lol _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:28:56 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: "Electricity" What's it all about? 100% NJC now Yeah, I get that aspect, but...I mean, a busy tie, yes... who knows how Joni meant it, but to me it feels more like she is talking about the wires being crossed and the tape tangled and then she says 'well the technical manual's busy'...I take it more as 'not accessable'....I think the word busy is sort of a songwriter's compromise type of word-yes, Joni does that occasionally-because it rhymes (sort of!) with easy. Apart from the lyrics, this song has such a lovely melody, and a wonderfully odd placement of chords beneath it, the little timing eccentricities are awesome. The singing and background singing are very cool, and how the bass and drum become a 'heartbeat' during that part of the song. FTR is really a collection of little masterpieces. RR SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > In the same way a painting can be "busy"; that is, there's too much going on > with it for any focused clarity to take place. In much the same way as a song > can be "busy", too many players, overarrranged, etc. I would think it's EASY > for a technical manual to be Busy and cluttered and not user-friendly. I > would say most of them are probably this way. > > Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #220 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?