From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #213 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, May 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 213 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: May 12 [les@jmdl.com] Elvis Costello NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Somewhere Over The Rainbow--NJC [Penny ] Re: Beatles/Wonder (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Desafinado or ... (flippant JC) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni's least sexiest songs [FredNow@aol.com] Re: peace (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: sensitivity NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: Clean Air Rally (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's sexiest songs ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Joni's least sexiest songs [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Somewhere over the Rainbow--NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] NJC Re: lucky guess INDEED! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: sensitivity NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: lucky guess INDEED! ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Somewhere Over The Rainbow--NJC [] Bonnie Bramlet/Doorsmovie?/Video NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Jerry Does NYC - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Lucky Girl ["Sherman" ] Re: peace (njc) ["Brenda" ] What music will play at your funeral? NJC ["Alan Larson" ] NJC Re: Lucky Girl [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] delaney & Bonnie/coyote ["flopit" ] Joni's sexiest song ["J Harney" ] Oops NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Joni's sexiest song now NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Any statements from Joni about 9/11? [Relayer211@aol.com] stevie wonder's 'as' njc ["patrick leader" ] Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] dionne warwick arrested for pot possession - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: dionne warwick arrested for pot possession - njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Desafinado or ... (flippant JC), njc now ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: What music will play at your funeral? NJC ["Heather" ] RE: What music will play at your funeral? NJC [Deb Messling ] Laura Nyro/Six Feet Under (njc) [Gary Zack ] Re: Y Tu Mama Tambien (njc) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Laura Nyro/Six Feet Under (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] music that might play at my funeral if I die -- NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 03:01:45 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: May 12 On May 12 in history: 1983: Joni performs in Stockholm, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 00:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Elvis Costello NJC From the Elvis Costello Home Pagehttp://www.elviscostello.info/: Costello and the Attractions toured the UK and Europe early in 1979 and then returned to the US for a third time to undertake their most ambitious tour yet. However, the pressures of life on the road, in addition to the turmoil of Costello's personal relationships, large amounts of alcohol, plus the hostility of Costello and his manager Jake Riviera to the press, all contributed to an unfortunate incident in Columbus, Ohio in March 1979. A drunken slanging match in a Holiday Inn bar between Costello (and the Attractions) and members of Steven Stills' entourage (including Bonnie Bramlett) led to both sides making ill-considered remarks about British and American musicians. However, only Costello's derogatory comments about certain African-American musicians were reported to the press. The subsequent press furore was reminiscent of the outrage generated in the US by the out-of-context rehashing of John Lennon's "We're more popular than Jesus" remark in 1966. Despite his performances at Rock Against Racism shows in the UK, and his anti-fascism songs "Less Than Zero" and "Night Rally", Costello was forced to hastily convene a US press conference and apologise for his statements. Ray Charles, who bore the brunt of Costello's reported remarks, certainly holds Costello no ill will, and commented that "drunken talk isn't meant to be printed in the paper." The tour was quickly wrapped up, despite "Armed Forces" riding high in the charts, and Costello did not return to the US again until 1981, this defusing any commercial momentum he had generated. It is likely that Columbias ultimate decision not to release either "What's So Funny ('Bout Peace Love and Understanding)" or "Olivers Army" as singles in the US may well have been made in the wake of the "Columbus Incident". Columbia certainly made no further attempt to promote "Armed Forces" despite its Top Ten chart placing, a decision which saw the album fall out of the Top Ten as quickly as it had arrived there. It is rumoured that Columbia executives even considered cancelling Costellos contract at this time. For once, Columbia may have been grateful for Costellos and Riverias "No Interview" policy, as the lack of Costellos face on the cover of any major magazines probably helped the controversy to blow over more quickly. Subsequent events would demonstrate that Elvis Costello was certainly no racist, beginning with Costellos work as the producer of The Specials, a multi-racial band, during 1979. Their self-titled album went on to top the charts in the UK. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 01:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Subject: Re: Somewhere Over The Rainbow--NJC Alan in Iowa wrote: Hi Alan (hey, I'm originally from Iowa too ;-), That's a wonderful take, isn't it! The first I heard it, it was playing on KINK here in Portland at the time the movie Finding Forrester hit the screen. Mike Rich, one of the KINK DJs was the screen writer for that film (along with The Rookie, whichisin now in the theaters, but not as good as FF imho.) so I just knew the music would be great. Lots of Miles Davis and then they tear your heart out with a smile on your face at the same time,playing IK's version of SOTR at the conclusion. One of my favorite movies of the last ten years. BTW, I think that same SOTR version is also in themovie Meet Joe Black. Peace, Penny LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 04:50:13 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Beatles/Wonder (njc) "Kakki" writes: >NP: The remastered masterpiece Songs in the Key of Life - "As" (one of >Stevie's most profoundest songs) It's definitely one of Stevie's baddest tracks ... that minor key but hopeful phrase just keeps cycling and building, and then Herbie Hancock lays all his baddest shit on top and it's so good it almost hurts. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 05:23:49 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Desafinado or ... (flippant JC) "John van Tiel" writes: >How insentive (just saw Pat Metheny in Amsterdam doing a brilliant version >of this Joao Gilberto classic) Yeah, Pat has been playing How Insensitive (written by Antonio Carlos Jobim, musically based on Chopin's Prelude in E minor) for years and years, and it's always different and it's always beautiful and always brilliant. I caught the current Pat Metheny Group tour back in March, which was genius ... every song, every note played by everybody. Just as it has been every time I've ever heard the group over the decades. Ultimate world class consistency, for 25 years. What other contemporary music group has been writing, playing, and recording on the level they've been doing it on, as consistently as they've been doing it, for as long? No other. By the way, John, did you enjoy the gig? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 05:25:29 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's least sexiest songs dsk writes: >Victor Johnson wrote: >> >> So...what's the least sexiest song that Joni has??? > >Sex Kills, especially because whenever I hear it or even think of it I >also picture her stern face when she performed it on some late-night >talk show. Not to mention its title and subject. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 04:59:05 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: peace (njc) Brenda, "Peace" is one of my all-time favorites tunes to play. I never knew there were words. Are they Horace's or Norah's? I'd guess the former, but who knows. Where is Norah's recording of it? I love Horace and I love Norah. Thanks, Fred "Brenda" writes: >"Brenda" >Subject: peace (njc) > >Peace (Horace Silver) > >There's a place that I know >Where the sycamores grow >And daffodils have their fun >Where the cares of the day >Seem to slowly fade away >and the glow of the evening sun > >Peace >When the day is done > >If I go there real late >Let my mind meditate >On everything to be done >If I search deep inside >Let my conscience be my guide >Then the answers are sure to come >Don't have to worry none > >When you find peace of mind >Leave your worries behind >Don't say that it can't be done >With a new point of view >Life's true meaning comes to you >And the freedom you seek is won > >Peace is for everyone >Peace is for everyone >Peace is for everyone > >n.p.: Norah Jones - "Peace" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 07:26:14 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: sensitivity NJC He said it in a hotel in Columbus OH to Bonnie Bramlett. Elvis had just played a gig at a small hall in Town and Bramlett was touring with Stephen Stills, who had played at a bigger venue. I can tell you that the Elvis show was every bit as angry and confrontational as this comment. I was there, and it was amazing! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:11:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Clean Air Rally (njc) <> Thanks for sharing the good news, Victor...a good break for you, I hope! Bob NP: Lorraine Scott, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:12:38 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest songs That is a really good line. I never took notice of that. Another good reason to be on this list and to take part in these posts, is the relearning of songs and beauty that they hold. :) > >.. and then there are tons of one liners or > > melodies that can lure me into daydreaming.. > > > > >There's a one liner in 'Electricity' that isn't overtly sexual but really >gets to me: > >While the song that he sang her to soothe her to sleep >Runs all through her circuits like a heartbeat > >I wonder if James inspired that one. His voice would do that to me if he >was singing to me....in bed.... > >Sigh... > >Mark E in Seattle _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Joni's least sexiest songs > Victor Johnson wrote: > > > > So...what's the least sexiest song that Joni has??? > > Sex Kills, especially because whenever I hear it or even think of it I > also picture her stern face when she performed it on some late-night > talk show. > I was about to say "yeah, you're right," but then thought 'close but no cigar' - Smokin', Try Another. gets my vote. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 05:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Somewhere over the Rainbow--NJC I've only heard the song in its entirety once. I ws in the car and of course couldn't write down (never mind spell) the artist's name. Thanks for passing along the info. The intro ukelele part was also used briefly in a commercial for a web site that sells toys (eToys???). I used to look forward to hearing the ad. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:16:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: lucky guess INDEED! <> Wow, thanks so much for the feedback, Blair...while the project was a labor of love obviously, it was still labor and I'm glad you & your buddy dug it! You can take some credit for having the idea in the first place... Bob NP: Andy Stochansky, "The Beat of Black Wings" (Didn't care for this one the first time 'round, but now that I've been thoroughly indoctrinated in Ani, I can feel it better than before!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:30:54 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: sensitivity NJC Actually, I read somewhere that Ray Charles' reply to all the hoopla surrounding the incident was "A drunk man's words should never printed or taken seriously" or something to that measure. So, as everyone has been talking about taking a step back and analyzing what has been said or thinking it over, Mr. Charles did just that and figured it was a slip of the tongue. Blair :) NP, "Carey" the Mitchell ><< Mike wrote: > > >> It is said that Elvis Costello once said (or is alleged to have said) >that >Ray Charles was 'a blind ignorant nigger'. >> > >Wasn't Elvis drunk or on drugs when he said that? I think he was, and that >he >was so disgusted with his own behavior, he sought treatment shortly after >this incident and has been alcohol/drug free ever since. If I am wrong, I >am >sure someone else has the facts. > >Also, I am pretty sure he said "jive-ass," not "blind ignorant." Or maybe >he >said both. > > --Bob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:08:52 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: lucky guess INDEED! And let me add that the For the Roses LIVE compilation is a killer!! Bob, Great job on it and my YAle-bound friend was overjoyed to get it. He especially liked the CD artwork!! BLair:) > >And a Lucky Girl you are, Janine! For you were the closest one to my unsexy >choice of "Lakota" from CMIARS! So a copy of "Covers, Volume #29 AND a copy >of "For The Roses, Live!" will be winging their way to you for your >listening >pleasure. Please confirm your address to me when you get a chance. > >And while I realize this won't be the same thrill as SITTING RIGHT BEHIND >JONI at Harbourfront, I hope you do enjoy them. ;~) > >Thanks to EVERYONE for playing...really had a lot of guesses this time, and >I >appreciate it. If you didn't win, but want either or both of these discs, >lemme know and we'll make it happen. > >And stay tuned for more chances to WIN WIN WIN!!! :~) > >Happy weekend, ya knuckleheads...I love ya'! > >Bob > >NP: Ian & Sylvia, "The Circle Game" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:59:41 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Somewhere Over The Rainbow--NJC I think that same SOTR version is also in themovie Meet Joe Black. > That's the same version. The first time I heard Israel Kamakawiwole was in MEET JOE BLACK (overlong movie; would have walked out if not for the beautiful Claire Forlani), and I looked him up in the internet. He died a few years ago. I am familiar with "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" because this was taken from THE WIZARD OF OZ, but the one powerful version of it was by Jevetta Steele from the CORRINA CORRINA soundtrack. Not even Jane Monheit, Sylvia McNair or (sorry if I am being sacrilegious here) Judy Garland. Steele's version has this undeniable soul that cuts through the heart. Joseph np: Come Sunday: Duke Ellington with Mahalia Jackson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:52:57 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Bonnie Bramlet/Doorsmovie?/Video NJC So Bonnie Bramlet was in THE Doors Movie? I had no idea, I wonder what character she plays. I havent watched that movie since I was younger.. OH, HOw i loved that movie. Speaking of Delaney and Bonnie or whatever they were called then, I bought a Frank Zappa video on the street a few months ago and on the tale end of the tape was Concert footage of Delaney and Bonney with Eric Clapton and George Harrison (pretty famously used in documentaries, i had seen snipets of it before) and all I can say is that I wasnt really moved by the music. To me, it just seemed like another bad blues band (ofcourse, minus Eric Clapton). But, I have only watched it once ofcourse. NP "MAPA" Ornette Coleman > > > > I haven't found much on the incident, but I did find this rather > > skimpy entry from the Costello site, which brings Stephen Stills into > > the story: > > > > "My Aim Is True, was recorded during a series of "sick" days from > > work. Little short of breathtaking, it hit the charts becoming the > > biggest U.S. import album of the decade when it crossed the Atlantic > > on the CBS/Columbia label. On his first U.S. tour, when a clash with > > Stephen Stills and Bonnie Bramlet turned ugly, Costello flew back home > > with death threats ringing in his ears." > > > > >According to this story, Elvis was getting drunk with Stephen; Bonnie >socked him: > >http://www.eonline.com/Features/Topten/Meltdowns/8.html > >B > >------------------------------ >Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 9:14:26 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: sexiest songs (njc) Okay, while we're on the subject...I think this is my sexiest song...I think I played this at jonifest 2000 though that seems so long ago now... Sailing (c)2000 Victor Johnson Tug my handNudge my headSqueeze me with your fingersBreak my fastUncork the wineKnock my woes asunder Soothe my skinCome here againSend my thoughts to wonderWatch my dreams come tumbling outSee them shine and thunder Chorus: I'd sail anywhere you knowJust take my hand and don't let goShadows shifting in the seaBut you won't let them swallow meYou are a pilgrim in my soulMy heart you guide, the strings you pullBreaking for this promised landI'd sail the world in your hands Unlock the doorBe free once moreFeel the changing seasonsWalk outsideTake a rideForget your rhyme and reason Chorus Sailing, sail away in the clear October skySailing, sailing I'd sail anywhere you nowJust take my hand and don't let goOh......I'd sail the world in your hands --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 12:35:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Jerry Does NYC - NJC For NYer's out there. Just got tickets for my first day there June 26th at Radio City Music Hall for kd lang and Linda Ronstadt. If anyone wants to join us call for tickets now, One show only and sure to be a sell out. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:26:33 -0400 From: "Sherman" Subject: Lucky Girl Thanks, Bob. 108 Cavalry Field Road Gettysburg, Pa 17325 How could I be such a "Lucky Girl" to have chosen a song not even on the same album and still won????? What a nice way to begin my Mother's Day! I look forward to receiving some more of your gems and gems they are and such a GEM you are!!! How LUCKY this group is that you are a member!!!!! Where do you get that energy??? You are awesome. Happy Mother's Day out there to all you Moms, you too, Joni. Remember me? I was the one shaking and sobbing for joy directly behind you at Harborfront in Toronto. Just had to get that in, folks. It was sort of a "Mother and Daughter Reunion" with Killauren there next to Larry, too. My pick for the sexiest Joni song in history has to be A Case of You. I remember that time you told me you said "Love is touching souls" Surely you touched mine 'Cause part of you pours out of me In these lines from time to time Oh, you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling And I would still be on my feet I would still be on my feet Thanks again, Bob. You made my day. Plus it got me to post. Best to all, Janine NP: sweet sounds of daughter home from college for the summer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:53:59 -0700 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: peace (njc) On 12 May 2002 at 4:59, FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Brenda, "Peace" is one of my all-time favorites tunes to play. I never > knew there were words. Are they Horace's or Norah's? I'd guess the > former, but who knows. Where is Norah's recording of it? The words are Horace's. I didn't know there were lyrics either until I heard her version of it. It's on the ep "First Sessions" that she was selling at her shows last year. B n.p.: Charlie Hunter & Norah - "Day is Done" - ------------------------------ Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:42:59 -0000 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: What music will play at your funeral? NJC Not a big Hawaiian music fan, but will have to try and give Israel Kamakawiwo'ole's Facing Future cd more of a try soon. I didn't realize he was no longer with us. That's sad. As were the two last episodes of ER. Makes you humble in the realization that life is not all that long, nor do we accomplish all we hope to most times. As far as what music I want played at my funeral, that's a good thread. Maybe Tea for the Tillerman, of Harold and Maude fame. Some JT, some Joni... Circle Game for sure. Some David Wilcox... some Bruce Cockburn... People who need people, maybe... Speaking of David, he has a wonderful new song I just learned called Guitar Shopping off his What You Whispered CD... "But lately I buy new guitars They're shiny as a hearse. I still like the look of road wear But the roles have been reversed. Now this old thing may be a classic... But I still don't need to buy. Yea, the old ones have their stories... but by now... so do I." Hits home cuz my old Gibson J35 sunburst from the year 1955 just bit the dust...fell and broke its neck... in critical condition... and I'm not sure if I should buy a new Martin, or get this one fixed. Decisions. Have everything I need now to set up my home recording studio, except a decent guitar and a computer guru to help me set up my new puter with the new sound card, o/s, etc. Changed my mind and bought an Audigy Platinum soundblaster sound card instead of going with the Hercules xp game theatre sound card. will make anyone interested a nice price if they are interested. It got pretty good reviews from what I read. Otherwise I'll probably put it on Ebay. Any Spridget owners out there? Any other Iowans? where you from Penny? Alan in Iowa City ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:31:48 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #138 On Sat, 11 May 2002, at 21:18:47 +0200, "John van Tiel" wrote (or quoted: the >>> makes it appear that the entire post is a quote): > >Joni's sexiest song: >Je t'aime (moi non plus) - although her voice is already a bit hampered by >the early signs of smoke damage on the vocal chords. > Major point: Did Joni ever record this song? The radio-hit single was by a man and a woman who was not Joni; I think they were French. Minor point: It's vocal "cords," not "chords." John also wrote (or quoted), beginning with a quote from Mike: >*** > >Mike wrote: > >>To say that Britney Spears is a greater songwriter and singer than Joni >Mitchell is an idiotic remark. > >??? By which standards??? >Anyone who manages to get the entire world to sing "Oops ... " must be a >fabulous songwriter by my standards. > > >Oops > >John > Ahem. I think this phenomenon shows that someone is a fabulous marketer, not that the tunesmith of "Oops ... " is a fabulous songwriter. And does Britney Spears write her own songs? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 15:54:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Lucky Girl <> And now BLUSHING as well! :~) > > <> I'm sure that Prince would agree with you! He's done the song live since 1983, and just out this year an UNBELIEVABLY KILLER studio version, not officially released (at least I don't think so) but not to worry 'cuz the SCJoniguy is on the "case"! ;~) > <> And THAT'S what it's all about, Janine...and a swell post it was. Happy Mother's Day to you, I know you're a great one! Enjoy the time with your daughter... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:05:14 -0700 From: "flopit" Subject: delaney & Bonnie/coyote hi >>>>>Mark E in Seattle >>>>>To tell you the honest truth, I don't know a whole lot about Bonnie except that I knew she was the Bonnie of Bonnie & Delaney & Friends and then I remembered reading about this incident with Elvis Costello. I believe she appeared on a few episodes of 'Roseanne' and that she sang in one of these. As I remember it was some kind of classic rock tune with a bluesy bent to it and she sounded fantastic!<<<<<< oh wow!! hows that for timing?? i just got back from leave (50+ digests to catch up on!!) while i was away i picked up my first ever delaney & bonney cd "home"at a 2nd hand cd shop. tjhe name rang a bell from i dont know where, & when i looked at the musicians - duck dunn, steve cropper, booker t jones, i just had to give it a try - really, really good!!! (tho "piece of my heart" juyst cant live up to the standard janis set...) also, i read a book called "coyote waits" by tony hillerman. set on an indian reservation, and delving quite deeply into indian legends, it explained the significance of coyote in indian legend, as the evil despoiler, lying in wait, ready to trip men into evil, and generate chaos in their lives (unfortunately i forgot the book behind so i cant quote anything) anyhow, it kind of made sense in the context of joni's song coyote. or am i missing the reference altogether & theres another story behind the reference?? ron np - victoria williams - "grandpa in the cornpatch" - from "musings of a creek dipper." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:13:40 +0000 From: "J Harney" Subject: Joni's sexiest song I really agree with the lister who picked "Electricity" from FTR as Joni's sexiest song. However, next week I might offer another candidate for this honor, but, recurrently (pardon the pun), I am struck by the the descriptions and sensory language of this song. And Joni's voice and phrasing is, well, electrifying. BTW, this is my very first posting to the JMDL. Jack in Manhattan - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:36:54 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Oops NJC Mike wrote: > To say that Britney Spears is a greater songwriter and singer than Joni > Mitchell is an idiotic remark. John responded: > ??? By which standards??? > >Anyone who manages to get the entire world to sing "Oops ... " must be a > >fabulous songwriter by my standards. And Tim rejoinded with: > Ahem. I think this phenomenon shows that someone is a fabulous marketer, > not that the tunesmith of "Oops ... " is a fabulous songwriter. And does > Britney Spears write her own songs? A Max Martin and someone named Rami (a one word name like Bono or Sting, I guess) co-wrote toe song, and I know that because I bought the cd. I think the phenomenon shows that "Oops" is simply a great pop song and Britney is certainly a top pop singer of the day. After you've done as many aerobics classes as I have with this song being one of the numbers used, you'd learn to love it too. Singing along enables proper breathing during serobics... ...which is how I also know all the words to Material Girl, Beautiful Stranger, Ray of Light, and Don't Impress Me Much (Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, Shania Twain). You should hear my aerboics versions of Be My Lover by La Bouche, The Bomb (These Sounds Fall in My Head) by Buckethead, What is Love by Haddaway, and my personal all time favorite, Mr. Vain by Culture Beat (sample lyric: I know what I want and I want it now, cuz I'm Mr Vain). There are days when you are all posting about (I think the totally fictional) Jonatha Brooks or some dude singing some song that I have no clue what it is but I know I would know if I were cultured, and I am sitting at the computer singing "I like to move it, move it" by Reel to Real featuring the Mad Stuntman, that I know my musical tastes are de classe in the extreme. But every song has its place, no? Britney doesn't pretend to be more than what she is, a pop singer, and for her genre, she has passed the audition. And she has some great pop songs. It is possible to lie Britney for what she is, and like Joni for what she is, and like so many different types of music! Someone just turned me on to Johnny Eat World (great name for a group...) and since I already have all the Joni that there is, Johnny Eat World may be my next purchase. Anyway, we need all the different types of music from all the various levels of musicians to make the sound of the universe whole, and to make the world sing. (the Rev) Vince NP: Linda Worster, Right Here, Right Now, about the 5th time that I have played it today, and now this is the first post that ever mentioned both Linda and Britney! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC > As far as what music I want played at my funeral, that's a good thread. Well.... I think it's a bit much for most to contemplate. My own burial instructions indicate that I'd like "Simple Gifts" to be played. That's all I've specified in writing. (Oddly enough, when I went to sign my will, Copland's "Appalachain Spring" was playing on the radio in the lawyer's office. It uses the melody of Simple Gifts as one of its themes. Pretty spooky, eh?) Sally Barker's "Another Train" and Cindy Kallet's "Tide and the River Rising" are also good choices for me. Oddly enough, no Joni. Although I love her music, none of it is 'homespun' enough for my funeral. There's probably some Cheryl Wheeler and maybe some Nanci Griffith that would be appropriate too... Mostly, I guess I'd like to have the sounds of chickadees, white throated sparrows, cardinals, red-winged blackbirds, and finches. These are the sounds that make me happiest in the world. Even if I couldn't have music, if I couldn't have birds (yes, I know a lot of you complained about birds in a recent thread) I'd go mad. I even have a collection of CDs with music intertwined with birds singing. lots of love Anne NP: some chipping sparrows at the feeder ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:58:55 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest song now NJC J Harney wrote: > > BTW, this is my very first posting to the JMDL. > > Jack in Manhattan > > Welcome, and keep going with the puns. I wrote long and boring stuff so we need all the puns and quips possible! I hope you come to love the JMDL as much as a lot of us do - a little wacky but loving community. (the Rev) Vince NP: White Sox vs the Angels, via the internet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:15:53 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Any statements from Joni about 9/11? Has Joni made any statements about the horrible events of 9/11 and the subsequent turmoil and war,that anyone is aware of?I''d like to know what her reactions have been. thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:15:11 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: stevie wonder's 'as' njc >Kakki > >NP: The remastered masterpiece Songs in the Key of Life - "As" (one of >Stevie's most profoundest songs) " Do you know that true love asks for nothing? Her acceptance is the way we pay. Did you know that life has given love a guarantee to last through forever and another day?" amen sister! 'songs in the key of life' is stevie's masterpiece, with pastime paradise being one of my all-time favorite songs. 'as' is up there too. a couple of years ago, for a george michael greatest hits project, he and mary j. blige did a duet cover of 'as'. because of his recent (at the time) bust for what the brits call 'cottaging', blige's management freaked and refused to allow the song to appear on the american release, but it's there on the international version of 'ladies and gentlemen, the best of george michael' it's just a fantastic cut, two of the best voices of the nineties on a great old song. np - gm and mjb - as, by sw ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:34:52 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC Anne, this is a great thread since I actually do funerals and you should hear some of the sentimental crap that is getting played these days. It is like everything else - people give no clue to what they want for their funerals, so there I am, trying to encourage people to remember something, anything that the deceased might like in terms of a favroite Scripture, hymns, literary passages that I might read, etc. It would also help to know who the deceased liked, so we have the right pall-bearers, etc., and maybe some suggestions on who you want to tell the little cute stories that are the rage these days - the surviving family can never remember any of this stuff in the days after death and before the funeral. We are all going to die. I wish people would leave clues behind so that we can do the funerals with integrity to what the deceased wanted. Hey people, this is your last show on earth; if you carefully pick the music for your parties and romantic evenenings, give some clues as to what best says "you" for your funeral! Remember the opening scene in The Big Chill when the organist started playing "You Can't Always Get What You Want?" That was the singular most funny music scene that I ever saw seen, and a lot of clergy friends feel the same way.) Enough of my rant (and you all know I change my will and my instructions almost annually, I like everything up to date). I have thought about this because I do so many funerals and know what I want at mine. I am not sure of the order, and I keep changing my mind on how many tunes, and some of these will have to be used as prelude and postlude or else we'll have a 5 hour funeral, but: Hail! to the Victors Valiant! (University of Michigan, and I am a big fan.) Kiss Him Goodbye (not so strange a choice; it is the Chicago White Sox fans' song, and I kind of groove on everyone singing "Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na, hey, hey, hey, goodbye" at my funeral) Work Me Lord by Janis Joplin Free Man in Paris, Joni In My Life, Beatles That's Why I Sing the Blues, or, Just a Little Love, B. B. King Love Divine (hymn, Hyfrodal tune) I Will Always Love You (any version, even Whitney Houston's which I like, it will my farewell song to a certain special special, and either that or My Heart Will Go On from Titanic, Celine Dion, ok, but I need something sentimental for that certain someone...) and the funeral song that will be quintesssentially me: I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For, U2 that is music that will say my name, and everyone there will know who picked it and what each song or singer meant to me and my life. (the Rev) Vince, doing funerals since 1975, with no complaints yet NP: White Sox at Anaheim via internet, and game not going well ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:42:00 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: delaney & Bonnie njc flopit wrote: > I just got back from leave (50+ digests to > catch up on!!) while i was away i picked up my first ever delaney & > bonney cd "home"at a 2nd hand cd shop. the name rang a bell from i dont > know where; when i looked at the musicians - duck dunn, steve > cropper, booker t jones, i just had to give it a try - really, really > good!!! (tho "piece of my heart" just cant live up to the standard janis > set...) D&B did hang out in that musical set, and it was a treat when she had a recurring guest role on Roseanne, althought I think she only sang once. I saw Bonnie sing Piece of My Heart on the one and only Blind Faith tour, and Bonnie gave it a great shot, but as you say, neither she nor anyone could live up to the way Janis sang it. Whether because of the Janis Joplin connection or because my date thought Bonnie nailed it (one reason we broke up, she was not faithful to Janis Joplin!), that is the only song that I remember of Delaney and Bonnie's set. (the Rev) Vince NP: White Sox at Anaheim, and game still not going well but Frank Thomas is at bat, hit it, Big Hurt! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 17:43:07 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC I think Joni's "Shadows and Light" would be a good song to play at my funeral. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 18:05:49 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: dionne warwick arrested for pot possession - njc Gee, you'd think one of her pals from the Psychic Friends Network would have tipped her off! "The moment I wake up Before I roll all my spliffs up . . . " http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/News/05/12/warwick.arrest/index.html --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 18:34:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: dionne warwick arrested for pot possession - njc In a message dated 5/12/02 6:10:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Gee, you'd think one of her pals from the Psychic Friends Network would have > > tipped her off! > > LOL Murphy, I shouldn't laugh at her misfortune but that is funny imo. You'd think she would have learned something from cousin Whitney. Oh well, I do like Dionne and I hope she gets out of this mess. "L. A. is a great big freeway Put a hundred down a by a bale. In a week - or maybe two - they'll put you in jail" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:00:54 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Desafinado or ... (flippant JC), njc now Lieve wrote: >> one thing I would never want to do is generalise, even as a child I refused to join in the telling of jokes about the "Hollanders" (hi John, surely feminists can be sweethearts?!) But John van Tiel was skeptical: > Yes? Name five, then. :-) To which I say: 5. Jane Fonda 4. Margaret Thatcher 3. Alanis Morrisette 2. Annie Lennox and the #1 feminist, the next president of the United States... [aside: "Anton! A drum roll!"] Senator Hillary Clinton .......... just five, John? Lamadoo, just back from giving gifts to Michael & Margo Timmons in Chicago, & observing sound check from a respectful distance ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC > Anne, this is a great thread since I actually do funerals and you should > hear some of the sentimental crap that is getting played these days. Oh, I agree! I've found that planning for that final big event is almost enjoyable in an odd way. My last big gathering. But, how could I forget - "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" Oh, and I LOVE your selection of music, Vince. Varied, humorous and touching. Great picks. Just hope it's another 100 years before then... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:47:38 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: What music will play at your funeral? NJC Some people think "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" is schmaltzy but I have loved that song since I was a little girl. Anyone who knows me would play that song at my funeral. That was Judy's signature song. I just received a CD of "Judy at the Palace - closing night 2/24/1952". The last song is a tearful "Somewhere Over the Rainbow". I know she is choked up over the closing performance but somehow this performance sounds eerie and sad to me ... as if she were singing it for herself. I will always love Judy Garland's music! Heather (You should hear my 3 yr old granddaughter sing this song - precious!) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of anne@sandstrom.com Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:30 PM To: revrvl@chartermi.net Cc: alarson@inav.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC > Anne, this is a great thread since I actually do funerals and you should > hear some of the sentimental crap that is getting played these days. Oh, I agree! I've found that planning for that final big event is almost enjoyable in an odd way. My last big gathering. But, how could I forget - "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" Oh, and I LOVE your selection of music, Vince. Varied, humorous and touching. Great picks. Just hope it's another 100 years before then... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:20:26 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: njc someone forwarded this to me A survey was done in different countries with the following question: "For the Love of God - Would you please give your opinion about the food shortage in the rest of the world?" The survey was a huge failure: - In Afghanistan they did not know what 'love' meant. - In Russia they did not know what 'God' meant. - In Africa they did not know what 'food' meant. - In Western Europe they did not know what 'shortage' meant. - In China they did not know what 'opinion meant. - In Eastern Europe they did not know what 'please' meant. And in the U.S. they did not know what 'the rest of the world' meant. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:27:20 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: What music will play at your funeral? NJC >My sister wanted Cat Stevens's "Morning Has Broken" played at her >funeral. That song was chosen to be played as people left the church >after the service. During the service, they played a scratchy old LP from >1960 or thereabouts with my sister and her college chorus singing "Swing >Low Sweet Chariot." That was hard to listen to. And I don't know if it >was my sister's choice or her kids, but they played Joni's "Blue" >also. I'm not sure there's anything lyrically about that song that's >appropriate to a funeral, but the mood is perfect. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/02 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:42:34 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #211 - Maureen McGovern I have a cover of Anyone Who Had a Heart by MM in my collection, on a Best of Burt Bacharach CD (though originally on one of MM's more recent albums). It's wonderful, with a great vocal and arrangement. More than just a broken-heart song, it pretty well captures a jilted lover's whacked-out obsession. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:53:6 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Y Tu Mama Tambien (njc) Saw it tonight in the Arts Theatre in downtown Asheville. Very refreshing. Best movie I've seen since Amelie. Does make it four people on the jmdl who have been to see it? Victor --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:06:40 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Laura Nyro/Six Feet Under (njc) For you Laura fans, there was a treat again on "Six Feet Under" tonight, a scene with Brenda; with Laura Nyro singing "Poverty Train" in the background. Also, if you haven't heard, a new double CD called "The Loom's Desire" by Laura; two shows recorded at the Bottom Line. A great CD, in stores now, but cd.universe.com has it for the least expensive I've seen at $20.00 I believe. Delivery is fast! Also "Eli," "Tendaberry" and "Gonna Take A Miracle" are all being remastered with bonus tracks! I'm in the process of reading "Soul Picnic, The Music and Passion of Laura Nyro." I never knew she liked "White Castles." :-) Best, Gary np: Laura Nyro: Stoney End (Alternate Version) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:35:10 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Y Tu Mama Tambien (njc) Victor Johnson wrote: > Saw it tonight in the Arts Theatre in downtown Asheville. Very > refreshing. Best movie I've seen since Amelie. Does make it four people > on the jmdl who have been to see it? Victor Yes, and four thumbs out for others to see Y Tu Mama Tambien, thumbs up from Les Irvin., Kate Bennett, Victor, and me. Victor, your opinion - I'd be very interested in your expanded thoughts on the movie - thus far we have refrained from giving away the surprise that takes place at the fishing camp so be vague there - but do please share your movie experience... Vince official nag about Y Tu Mama Tambien ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:48:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura Nyro/Six Feet Under (njc) <> I saw that last week at allmusic.com, Gary...coincidentally I was playing "Season of Lights" at the time. Looks like some cool bonus tracks too, some live and demo versions of lots of her stuff. While I had heard of Laura, and always loved "Nested", this group really opened my eyes & ears to hear, for which I'll always be grateful. Bob NP: Spirit of the West, "Coyote" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:50:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What music will play at your funeral? NJC <<(the Rev) Vince, doing funerals since 1975, with no complaints yet>> How can they complain? Shit, they're DEAD!! LOL! btw, nice picks on your funeral songs, and I agree, why do we act like we're not going to die? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:05:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: music that might play at my funeral if I die -- NJC Ah, death! It's one subject which is almost never discussed here. (Except for the time an angry lister brought up the subject of *my* mortality!) But after spending part of a dark and rainy Mother's Day at the cemetery planting flowers at the graves of my grandmother, aunt and godmother, death has been on my mind today. And since I always loved the use of the Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want" in "The Big Chill," I think this is a great thread, so I'll play! As for what music I would like played at my funeral, I really can't decide. Should I leave 'em laughing when I go? Or should I pick music that would guarantee that's there's not a dry eye in the house? Or maybe try to accomplish a little of both with music that's so enigmatic, they won't know whether to laugh or cry? And of course, there's always schmaltzy and tacky, which can be great at a funeral . . . So with that in mind, I've made a few lists of my selections in those four categories. For leave-'em-laughing music, I'd pick: "Tubthumping" (I get knocked down, but I get up again) -- Chumbawumba "Can't You Hear My Heart Beat?" -- Herman's Hermits "Am I Blue?" -- Linda Ronstadt's Nelson Riddle arrangement "Oh, What a Time to Be Me" -- Randy Travis "The Air That I Breathe" -- k. d. lang "Another One Bites the Dust" -- Queen "Ring of Fire" -- Johnny Cash "Say Something Funny to Me" -- Patty Duke "Accidents Will Happen" -- Elvis Costello "Zing Went the Strings of My Heart" -- by the choir! For not-a-dry-eye-in-the-house music: "Dimming of the Day" -- by Richard Thompson, but I'd like Bonnie Raitt's version "No Expectations" -- by the Stones, but I want Odetta's impossible-to-find rendition "Farther Along" -- by Dolly, Emmylou and Linda (from the first "Trio") "Dream a Little Dream of Me" -- Cass Elliott "Everybody Hurts" -- REM "On the Nickel" -- Tom Waits "It's Over" -- Roy Orbison "Crying Game" -- Boy George "Four Strong Winds" -- Neil Young "Aloha O'e" -- by Peter Moon (the saddest song ever -- makes "Danny Boy" sound like a Monkees tune!) For enigmatic, what-the-hell-was-he-thinking music: "Don't Leave Me This Way" -- Thelma Houston "Small Town" -- Lou Reed/John Cale "Miss Me Blind" -- Culture Club "Nobody's Perfect" -- Madonna "Louise" -- by Paul Siebel (about a whore who dies!) "Everybody Loves to Cha Cha Cha" -- James Taylor "Strange Fruit" -- Billie Holiday's recording "Knock Three Times" -- Tony Orlando and Dawn "Dancing in the Street" -- the Martha Reeves and the Vandellas version, of course "By the Time I Get to Phoenix" -- Glenn Campbell And for tacky: "If" -- Bread "Yester Me, Yester You, Yesterday" -- Stevie Wonder "From a Distance" -- Bette Midler "My Way" -- Frank Sinatra "The Way We Were" -- Babs "Wonderful Tonight" -- Eric Clapton "Is That All There Is?" -- Peggy Lee "Twelfth of Never" -- Johnny Mathis "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" -- Dylan Plus "I WIll Always Love You," Whitney Houston's version, of course. Since I'll already be dead, it won't exactly kill me if the damn thing gets played one more time! --Bob, heading for the Light -- Bud Light! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #213 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?