From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #205 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 205 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- this list, the world and EVERYTHING (NJC) ["John van Tiel" ] Tom Rush ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's Sexiest Song [Lori in MD ] Either/Or Thinking: The Root of All Evil (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: this list, the world and EVERYTHING (NJC) [dsk ] Re: Profiling.....moi?, NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's Sexiest Song NJC [Lori in MD ] 'enough' ["Rosalie Kerr" ] apology(njc) ["Rosalie Kerr" ] Someone has a Virus [Ken ] RE: Profiling.....moi?, NJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] ahhh, brenda russell...( minimal joni content ) [WARREN901@aol.com] (njc)Message to Anne S. and explanation for absence, and thanks to everyone!(njc) [BigWaltin] Trim replies (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Trim replies (NJC) ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: 'enough' [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Was Tom Rush, now Murray MacLaughlin [Mags N Brei ] Re: Someone has a Virus, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: ahhh, brenda russell...( minimal joni content ) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: wha? njc [Alison E ] Re: wha? njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: profiling . . . moi? - njc [Alison E ] No More Drama NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: this list, the world and EVERYTHING (NJC) ["Dolphie Bush" Subject: this list, the world and EVERYTHING (NJC) Dear Lieve wrote: "I've seen so many wonderful postings, insightful or funny, that don't get any response, probably because people are too busy or too shy or feel they can't add anything sensible... and sometimes the writer will comment afterwards "well it seems like no-one noticed" which is definitely untrue, although it's so normal to feel that way. I just want to remind those people that they have probably made quite an impact on quite a number of people, even if they never heard of it. They may save themselves a lot of upset if they keep that in mind. And it takes confidence and trust to do so." How very true. Guilty as charged. Just yesterday, even ... thanks, Kay, for your wonderful post ... I was admiring a sensible thoughts homerun, caught the ball and applauded in silence. And she wrote: "I totally second John Van Tiel's message (even though he did not list the qualities of the Belgians :-) !)" They are great chocolate makers; their beer is unrivalled; Antwerpen is one of the greatest cities in Europe - certainly one of my favourites; Lieve; plus ... eh ... plus ... eh ... plus ... eh :-))) But seriously; thanks for your wonderful, candid and brave post. I read it three times. For those who like languages: Lieve is Dutch for "sweet", "dear", "sweetheart". (not much of a feminist name, though) John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:08:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC .....May 8th Happy Happy Birthday Stephen E from Vancouver!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:18:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Tom Rush Tom Rush is one of the most AMAZING ENGAGING TALENTED FUNNY performers I have ever seen. Have only seen him once, a few years ago here in SB (David Crosby & other local celebs were in the audience) & would not miss his performance here on May 19th for the world!!!! (I tried to get the opening slot for his performance but his manager kindly told me he doesn't have openers on a Sunday night because his audience is older & likes an early show...LOL). >>"...probably the only man alive that should be allowed to sing Joni = Mitchell songs..." The Chicago Tribune That's from the Tom Rush website. I'm going to the Mill Valley show on = Wednesday with an urge to hear "Urge For Going" live. Looks like he = could be coming to a theater near you. - - -Julius<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Joni's Sexiest Song Don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but there's a very sexy phrase in the song Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: "As we rock between the sheets"... Lori ~ Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:02:23 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Either/Or Thinking: The Root of All Evil (NJC) Great post Kay!!! Holding on to the need to be right is certainly the road to hell. Whether its politics or personal. Saying I'm sorry (& meaning it) is in my mind, a noble act of great courage. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:55:48 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Joni's Sexiest Song NJC <<"As we rock between the sheets"...>> That's about SEX? I thought she was playing rock, paper, scissors! :~D Bob NP: Harry Nilsson, "Nobody Cares About The Railroads Anymore" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:21:08 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Missing #128; Brenda Russell (ref. Warren K., Bree M.); Someone wrote me offlist and asked if we were referring to a Brenda Russell who is apparently a famous DJ in the U.K. I didn't know about her! "Get Here" is one of my favorite songs. She has also occasionally participated in songwriting workshops here in L.A., a few times with my friend Harold Payne. (Gee, maybe I should start going to a few!) Here is a biography of Brenda the singer and songwriter. Kakki Born Brenda Gordon, Russell is a soul singer, composer, and keyboardist. Her family moved to Toronto when she was 12. Eventually, she and her husband, Brian Russell, hosted the Canadian TV series Music Machine. They moved to Los Angeles in 1973 where they both worked as session musicians. They recorded together under the name Brian & Brenda in 1978, but their music was not received well. After the couple's divorce, Brenda embarked on a solo career. She signed with A&M and released two albums, Brenda Russell (1979) and Love Life (1981). Then she switched to Warner Bros. and put out Two Eyes in 1983. Returning to A&M, she released her most popular album, Get Here (1988), which featured the Top Ten single "Piano in the Dark" sung with Joe Esposito of Brooklyn Dreams. She received 1988 Grammy nominations for Song of the Year and Best Pop Duo Performance (for "Piano in the Dark"), as well as best Pop Female Vocal (for Get Here). After a final A&M album, 1990's Kiss Me With the Wind, she signed with EMI in 1991 and released Soul Talkin' in 1993. But the association lasted for only one album, and she went without a recording contract for the next seven years, re-emerging in July 2000 with Paris Rain on Hidden Beach. She has done session work for Barbra Streisand, Elton John, and Bette Midler, and her songs have been recorded by Streisand, Luther Vandross, and Donna Summer, among others. Steve Huey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:22:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC CD Prices When I went shopping a few weeks back for the new Patty Griffin I picked up Nora Jones cuz it was on sale for $8.99 (if it was higher I might not have purchased it & I was wondering why it was relatively so cheap). BTW, I also got Sheryl Crow...(I love most of her previous stuff) even though I'd heard this new one was given a thumbs down by critics...I hate to badmouth anyone but I've only listened once to this cd because it really irritated me all the way through...so many cliched ideas & songwriting...I thought perhaps she was just throwing out a cd to fufill a contract, then I learn it was #2 on the billboard charts! Meanwhile Patty Griffin's masterpiece (imo) is critically acclaimed but certainly not charting (as far as I know, hope I am wrong)... It's a crazy world. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:46:31 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: this list, the world and EVERYTHING (NJC) ReckersL@ebrd.com wrote, about Colin's behavior: > > ... "having all knowledge" and people being intimidated. You don't mean to have > that effect, you just want to be honest, but the one thing I would ask you > to do is just to have a bit more thought or empathy, before you say > anything, for the effect of your words, for how people are going to feel, > how they may misunderstand your statements of facts-as-you-see-them for > something more aggressive, accusatory. It's impossible to figure out exactly how any *one* person might think and there are 800 people here! Isn't it up to the person who's had the reaction to let it be known rather than ask the speaker or writer to have such all-knowing ESP? Even people who know each other well can be surprised at the other person's reaction. I think this is also the point Debra > Shea was making. This is a very good example of how a person's mindset takes things that are said and fits them into that mindset. Lieve, I wasn't talking about Colin at all. My message was addressed to Mack and his long and unwarranted and hurtful attack on Colin. If Mack himself felt personally attacked and that's why he reacted as he did, he jumped to an incorrect conclusion I think. Maybe he doesn't see it that way. At any rate, it's all guess work on my part if the person involved is not going to speak up, and that leaves the door open to all sorts of assumptions and misunderstandings. Nice messages on other topics will never make those go away. In general, I find the only good thing about facing unpleasant topics is learning from them. Perhaps my attempt to go beyond just Mack's behavior is what led you to think I was talking to Colin, but Colin's very good at letting his reactions be known (too good for some people's taste), so my comments about being specific and responding at the time don't fit Colin. The way I saw it, the harshness of Mack's response was in part because feelings had built up, and Mack's the one responsible for that, not Colin. And, because it's something I try to avoid myself, not always successfully, it's also a personal issue and probably why I felt it needed to be addressed beyond just saying Mack's message was cruel and unwarranted. > I don't want to be seen in the catholic or right-wing camp because they are > even against contraceptives and I don't share in any way their outlook on > life. Gosh, "they", "their"... you're assuming billions of people think exactly the same way? It's really easy to simplify, isn't it? I know. I'm sure I do it myself sometimes without any awareness of it. But if you react and I hope you > do: please do it kindly! Well, I've tried to, but sometimes what I see as explaining my viewpoint comes across as being hurtful. If that's the case, the only way I'll know about it is to be told. atb, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Profiling.....moi?, NJC Dear Laurent; I look through incoming emails for my name to make sure I don't ignore JMDLers who are trying to communicate with me. Unfortunately, I came upon this. Vince originally said: > > I am going to quote Anne: "Whenever I see a post by Laurent regarding > politics, > > I just hit delete. I think that pretty well sums up what I need to say." > > > > My reply to Anne is that I wish that I were that smart. And succinct. > > > > (the Rev) Vince > > You then replied (in part): > I'm sorry to hear some people want to stay ignorant. Were you trying to insult me? You didn't have the courage and integrity to do so directly. I guess actions do speak louder than words. I do wish to remain ignorant of your opinions, as they are just that. I prefer to get my information from recognized, reliable news organizations, however slanted you may think they are. And, frankly, I found this hurtful. But, you know what, don't even bother to apologize. I'd probably delete it anyway, coming from you. Sadly, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:51:22 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Rockstar Riders (njc) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/backstagetour/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:59:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Profiling.....moi?, NJC >I'm sorry to hear some people want to stay ignorant.< I've wanted to stay out of this mess but here I go, against my better judgement. Basically what I'd like to say is YUCK. Just because people don't want to read other people's OPINIONS does not make them ignorant. There are many reasons why people don't want to read about or discuss this issue on this list. >>I also notice that NONE of the arguments I've made to counter those simplistic lies have been addressed, let alone rebuffed, by those people who choose to delete my posts and instead attack me personally or dissect my quotes when all I wish is that they would look at history and the whole picture.<< As I said, not everyone has the desire or time to argue this complex issue here. I sincerely doubt that anyone of us on this list, or perhaps on this earth, can claim to have knowledge of "history and the whole picture." Unless you were actually present for all of it. Even then, it'd be just your opinion. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Joni's Sexiest Song NJC <<"As we rock between the sheets"...>> > That's about SEX? I thought she was playing rock, paper, scissors! :~D Now that I think about it, perhaps she was just playing air guitar ... L. ~ Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:39:38 -0500 From: "Rosalie Kerr" Subject: 'enough' O.K., I have had it! I will not sit by one more minute and read posts that make Mack look like a monster! He is a good, decent man. He does a job that most would not consider doing and makes many people's lives brighter who otherwise have little to look forward to. I have seen elderly people at the facility where he works light up just to see him walk in because he talks with them and makes them feel special. I would bet that any one of you would feel like you were being called racist if you were told you're words were racist! I was also told that by Collin and that is exactly what I thought. Funny, I have been called a race traitor, but never a racist. And yes, when you say my words are racist, I take that to mean you think I am racist. I am too upset to look for the name of the writer of the post this a.m concerning Collin, Mack and others but whoever you are you need to make no apolopies! you are right on in what you said! It has been said that it is Mack's fault he let his feelings build up, but look what happens when he does express himself. I am angry beyond words at those who villify him,and feel free to post back and do you're worst to me, I'm a tough cookie and I can take it. You will get just what you give, be it honest attempts to converse intelligently or venom which spews from some so easily. Some of you act like Mack has no feelings and Collin is made of glass,defending him to the bitter end and throwing Mack to the wolves. Well i am here to tell you Mack does have feelings and they have been hurt by this attack on him. I don't know what Collin has lived through but I do know he does not have a corner on the suffering market. Remember just because some do not talk about abuses they have suffered does not mean they do not have their own troubled pasts to deal with. I am not one to let things build up, so here it is, like it or not. Oh, and by the way, Laurent, I agree with about 90% of you're posts so please don't stop. Rosalie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:44:44 -0500 From: "Rosalie Kerr" Subject: apology(njc) my apologies for not putting NJC on my last post. Rosalie _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:48:50 -0400 From: Ken Subject: Someone has a Virus Be Warned There is a virus being sent by someone on the JMDL. The reason I suspect this person being from the JMDL is that both me (about 4 days ago) and now Ashara have been sent it. In fact the email to Ashara was sent using my email address as the sender so who ever has it has both my address and Ashara's address in their Address Book. It's a nasty one called the W32.Klez.gen@mm virus and more info on it can be found here. http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.e@mm.html If you are infected it can also disable virus detection programs. BTW the reason I know that my system is not infected is that when Ashara sent me a copy of the virus for inspection my virus scanner screamed bloody murder. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 22:38:16 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Profiling.....moi?, NJC >I'm sorry to hear some people want to stay ignorant. >Laurent My goodness, could you be more pompous? You accused Colin of coming across as some kind of all knowing uber-being and you write this! rgds Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:54:55 EDT From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: ahhh, brenda russell...( minimal joni content ) hello bree, kakki, and tim ! i first became aware of brenda russell in the late 70's. cheryl ladd ( who knew ), of " charlies angels " fame, had a single on AM radio called " think it over." i really liked the song and bought the single, not wanting to invest any money in a cheryl ladd LP. ( egads !!! ) well i noticed the song was written by brenda and brian russell so i did some checking and found an album by brenda. i promptly bought it. it was wonderful !!! i followed her closely for quite a few years through 4 releases, the last in 1988. that release included the first song, performed by her, that i heard on the radio. it was one of the songs tim mentioned, " piano in the dark." the CD i have doesn't include " kiss me with the wind." it is self titled, along with the first one i bought that included " think it over." i have heard several other peformers cover her songs, donna summer did a version of " dinner with gershwin," which was wonderful. i believe someone, my memory fails me, did a cover of a song called " get here." needless to say brenda was/is quite a prolific song writer. i have no idea how she and joni hooked up except, thanks to kakki, we know they both live in L.A. ( i'm presuming brenda must live there if she performs there often.) i would highly recommend your give her a listen you may just find some new music to love... warren keith p.s. these are the titles i have: " brenda russell " 1979 ( on album ) " love life " 1981 ( on album ) " two eyes " 1983 ( on album ) " brenda russell " 1988 ( on CD ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:57:36 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)Message to Anne S. and explanation for absence, and thanks to everyone!(njc) In a message dated 4/29/02 3:36:44 PM, anne@sandstrom.com writes [in reference to her songwriting workshop at the 'Fest]: << Actually, I don't think anyone's actually signed up yet! >> Hard to believe -- well, *I* will, as soon as I can -- my computer bit the dust, and I'm waiting til I have the momey to have it fixed. Bad health and some evil tactics on the part of Robert's family (timed perfectly for both my birthday *and* for Robert's and my 8th anniversary together) are making the spring a near-total hell for me and for him. I'm looking forward so much to the 'fest -- and grateful for people like you and Sherelle and so many others who have sent me tapes, CDs, and good wishes - -- it means a lot -- anyone I didn't personally thank, please forgive me -- since I'm sick, it's harder for me to get to the library and hang around there until I can get a seat at one of the public computers there. Certainly explains why my usual logorrhea hasn't been a feature on the list lately, no? Hope you, Anne, and all of you on the list are well and happy -- hope to join you in those two aspects soon. Love and good wishes to all, and hope to be "regular" on the list again sometime soon, Walt Breen in San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:04:52 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Trim replies (NJC) Mack, nothing personal, but please trim your replies to the list! Writing, for example, "Hello Danny" and then sending Danny's entire post back to the list really clogs up the digest. Many thanks! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:09:28 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Trim replies (NJC) okay steve, sorry. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:22:48 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: 'enough' Dear Rosalie, Thanks for forgetting to make this post NJC. It makes me so happy to be on the Joni-only list. ; - ) Love, Phyliss,still lurking after all these years. Rosalie Kerr wrote: > O.K., I have had it! I will not sit by one more minute and read posts that > make Mack look like a monster! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:23:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Was Tom Rush, now Murray MacLaughlin - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Lovable Mags writes: awwwww thanks for that Bob *blush* that is soo sweet :-) > > < quarter > of a century! What ever happened to him? I was a big fan in the early > to mid > 70s, but then he seemed to drop out of the picture.>> Bob, I have no idea what happened to him, I know he does a lot of work behind the scenes and also is involved with the CBC...not really sure to be honest. He looked truly touched when Tom sang his song and introduced him. They stood outside in the lobby and talked for quite a while afterward. I did not recognize him at first, his hair is really short now! He looks healthy and happy and was in great spirits btw! I meant to mention..this is sooo cute, I can't resist sharing a little more about the Tom Rush concert at Hugh's Room. My friend had a digital camera and the batteries ran out of juice just as he was going to take a photo of Tom and I together. Well, he ran all over the place looking frantically for some, and finally found some. All this time, Tom stood there patiently, with his arm around me for what seemed like ages and we had our picture taken together. What a warm, charming man he is and as Kate said, he is phenomenally talented and has such a stage presence...amazing. As I said this morning...if you would like to see living proof that I did meet him and he did put his arm around me...well pls send a note to me offlist, at: pholden@iprimus.ca sorry to sound like such a groupie...he was just so great about it all! And I was so shy to even ask but somehow found the courage. Must be the influence of my sweet jewish prince ... thanks Brei honey :-) Mags, beaming :-)))))))) npimh: I feel like I'm seventeen again... sung by the one and only Annie Lennox oh yea baby!!!! > > --Bob ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 23:31:30 +0100 From: "O" Subject: Re: Nick Drake film: Screenings USA(njc) I saw 'A Skin too few' here in Manchester a coupla months ago... it was Valentine's day and no-one would come with me so I went on my own and sat at the back :-(... I think Nick would have approved though! The film was very touching, if not hugely informative (but then I've read his biography so I knew what was missing). Had a great Nick moment over Christmas when I went into a pub that used to be one of my regulars back where I live, and someone told me he had performed in the very same place in 1969 or thereabouts. I wanted to pull up one of the floorboards and take it home with me! O ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:35:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Someone has a Virus, NJC Whomever is infected has my email address in their address book. My ISP sent me about a half-dozen emails marked as "undeliverable". All 6 attacks happened within a half an hour yesterday at about 23:00 GMT. (6PM Eastern Daylight in the USA.) As soon as the refused emails appeared in my Inbox, my anti-virus software (Norton) quarrantined them. Apparently this virus attacks people by pretending to be someone else (spoofing). The infected person's computer tries to send email out *as if they are me* and my ISP rejects it, sending the email back to me, with the virus *still attached*. If you get undeliverable mail back to your computer and it's foreign, don't, I repeat DON'T open the attachment. This is the same old advice as always- treat attachments like leftovers in someone else's cabin in the woods. Don't open it if it smells bad. You can make your computer quite sick indeed. If anyone is doing email without virus protection, please go buy some software and scan your computer. I think most viruses are written for PCs. I don't think Mac users have anything to worry about- as usual! Is that right, Mac users? Uncle Lama PS, Michael, do you have any thoughts on the 6th anniversary of Joni's VG-8's madien voyage at JazzFest? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:40:24 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: ahhh, brenda russell...( minimal joni content ) Thanks a ton,Warren! Yeah,let us know, Kakki,if you ever get the chance to see her. Could be that Joni was just a fan like you,Warren... and decided to ask her to do some recording. Oh..it was Oleta Adams that had the hit "Get Here"..... Great,great song...sort of unusual. This is another one I like to hear a certain someone to take a stab at. Bree (sun is finally out....But flood warnings all over the place) >how she and joni hooked up except, thanks to kakki, we know they both live >in >L.A. ( i'm presuming brenda must live there if she performs there often.) i >would highly recommend your give her a listen you may just find some new >music to love... > >warren keith > >p.s. these are the titles i have: > > " brenda russell " 1979 ( on album ) > " love life " 1981 ( on album ) > " two eyes " 1983 ( on album ) > " brenda russell " 1988 ( on CD ) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:58:53 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: enjoy "The Last Waltz" at home From an article about new home-video releases at http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020508/ap_en_mo/wkd_new_on _video_dvd_1 "The Last Waltz" The Band's 1976 farewell performance was so legendary even before it took place that Martin Scorsese decided to document it. The concert brought together such guests as Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Eric Clapton, Ringo Starr, Van Morrison, Neil Young, Muddy Waters and Emmylou Harris. The DVD offers an outtake jam session with The Band, Clapton, Young, Starr and others. Band songwriter Robbie Robertson, who produced the film, and Scorsese trade reminiscences on audio commentary and in interviews. Scorsese says he felt compelled to shoot the concert because he sensed it signaled the end of a musical era. Rock scholars and Band associates team on a second commentary track, with journalist Greil Marcus presenting a perceptive critique of the group's synergy. DVD, $24.98. (MGM) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:00:56 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC Celine Dion ><anti-Celine sentiment I have observed since coming back to the list.>> > >Different strokes for different folks, James...I'm glad you enjoy her, I >just find her vocals totally lacking in anything real or soulful. I don't >consider myself "Anti-Celine", it's just a matter of preference. I think some people are bothered by her goody-two-shoes-image. I like her,personally....and a few of her songs. But many people.. think she doesn't have too much soul. But she can hit the high ones,no doubt. I loved "The Prayer" with Andre Boticelli (sp?) I will get back to you James on Diana Krall. Now here's where we can do some talking. :-) Take care all, Bree _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:30:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: wha? njc LMAO! i go out of town for 6 days and the whole place goes to shit! i musta taken the brown acid, too kate. don't worry, that old hack wavy blew it all outta proportion. just put on some dead, and delete anything that says re: middle east. alison e. in slc np: nora jones - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > man, i feel like i took the brown acid...an ancient > post from kakki just > showed up on the list, someone said there are now 2 > macks, colin's > apologizing for something that i completely missed, > vince is quoting his own > self & everyone's responding to kakki's old > post...twilight zone > indeed...what's the astrology doin out there > rosalita? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:32:45 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: wha? njc . > just put on some dead, and delete anything that says > re: middle east. > There you go! "In France they dance on Shakedown Street" Official slogan for the Terrapin Station tent at jonifest 2002 - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: profiling . . . moi? - njc LOL! this was almost as funny as "kitty kitty gang bang"! alison e. in slc, proud member of pflas: parents and friends of lesbians and smurfs. np: richard shindell - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > From Laurent, forwarding an e-mail he received: > > << In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was > hijacked, and a 70 year old > American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard > by: > > (a) The Smurfs >> > > OK, folks, this has gone on long enough. Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:27:55 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: No More Drama NJC A reality is that I will always admit when I am wrong, and indeed, Laurent, you are right, and I was wrong, I did once use the word "Eichman" but not at all, not in any way, in the way that you implied. In fact, the rest of what I wrote was extensively to say that there was no functional moral equivilance between Sharon and genocide. That is why it was so far from my mind. There is much desparately wrong with Sharon's policies, but I said, repeartedly, that they are not genocidal. That said, for the rest, you have not responded to any factual statements that I made, nor did I expect you to. You have attacked me and my character, you have attacked others, you have atacked so many people and things fine, go with it, it makes you happy. You are the expert at dropping words that hate. I read your words and you scare me. Attitudes like you express only prolong hostilities. I do not have not have to justify myself to you. Nor does Anne nor anyone else. And, frankly, I have had enough, more than enough, I am done with you. As long as anyone who disagrees with you is, in your mind and words, "ignorant" or believes in "simplistic lies" there is no no point in any type of conversation. I live always in search of new learnings, new insights, change in what I know and believe as I come to undertsand that which lies outside my own knowledge. You are someone who says that those who disagree with you are "ignorant" and believe in "simplistic lies." Since you have all truth already, there is nothing more to say, is there? God spare the world from people who have all truth like you. The JMDL can handle a lot of things but the JMDL is also my home, has been for a long time, and this exchange with you is wearisome beyond words. For the sake of this community, I am over and out with you. For my JMDL family, through the years we have had extensive pitched battles in here: Columbine (and guns and all that), Kosovo, the 2000 election, etc etc. Maybe it is a post September 11 th thing, but I do not experience that the JMDL is a place that right now at this moment wants anything else than loving conversation about Joni and about life. That is what I want, too. I have been doing my job in my own way to toss out other topics. I just got today the albums Crazy Sexy Cool by TLC, Fan Mail by TLC, and No More Drama by Mary J. Blige. I am going to groove on the music, sing along with Waterfalls, do a little dance to No Scrubs, and crank up No More Drama and play it maybe 18 times in a row, if I can get past playing Family Affair first - I love Mary J. Blige! No more drama. I am going to happy and flow with the music. And think about how much I love the JMDL. And I thank my God, the God of my simplistic lies, that the biggest decision that I will make tomorrow is whether I shall see Spider-man again, or got see Y Tu Mama Tambien again. And I am very, very lucky that that is the choice. In every way, it hurts me so much that for the whole world, I am one of the most priviledged of people. No more drama... So tired, tired of this drama No more, no more I wanna be free I'm so tired, so tired No more pain (no more pain) No more pain (no more pain) No drama (no more drama in my life) No one's gonna make me hurt again (the Rev) Vince NP: TLC, Can I Get a Witness - Interlude ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:49:50 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: this list, the world and EVERYTHING (NJC) I wasn't going to continue to feed the fire here but since there have been two postings in the last 2 days that continue to throw all of the fault on me for this latest round of disagreement, I feel that I must. Debra, it is apparent that you find all fault with me and that no one else is responsible for any of this. I did not find your post objective and there were inaccuracies there. Lieve, I wasn't talking about > Colin at all. My message was addressed to Mack and his long and > unwarranted and hurtful attack on Colin. If Mack himself felt personally > attacked and that's why he reacted as he did, he jumped to an incorrect > conclusion I think. As for unwarranted, I do disagree with that statement. I made the original post concerning the Arabs on May 3rd, in response to earlier posts that were specifically discussing the current situation in Israel. I began that post with the words "it takes two sides to cause conflict and to proliferate it." The entire post concerned the conflict there and, thus, the two sides that were involved in it. If I had thought that anyone would take it out of context I would have made a special point of saying something different but I did not for it didn't enter my mind that someone would do so. The post then appeared that said there is no excuse for racism, it is disgusting and there is no justification for it. There have been posts here that have asked me why I did not clarify my statement, why I didn't say that I did not mean all Arabs, and asking me to do so. I did. My next post stated that there was no racism there. I wrote "the subject was the Arabs and the Jews and I was referring to them-those currently involved in the conflict in the Middle East." As far as I was concerned, that should have been the end of it. I had written something that was obviously not succint and had then clarified it. That was not the end of it. I was responded to with the words "you quite clearly state you think Arabs are evil. That is racism, no matter how you dress it" While you may say that having your statement called racist and disgusting is not calling the writer of those words racist and disgusting; I don't agree. It might be an crafty way to say it without actually saying it directly but it still has the same meaning. I had already said that I did not mean all Arabs but that apparently was not a good enough explanation for this writer. Another poster then stated that to label all Arabs as evil was disgusting and simplistic. This post was in response to the already growing furor over those words that, again, I had already clarified, because they had been reposted in such a way as to show that, yes indeed, I had said that. I, then, again denied saying all Arabs were evil. Then my original post was put up in a responsive post, completely leaving out and ignoring the later post that I had made denying that I meant all arabs were evil. Why it was not used or referred to is a good question. At that point I became angry. This would never have occurred in the first place if someone had not felt the need to continue to feed its fire and to use provocative means to do so. I had already denied that I meant all Arabs twice and very clearly stated who I had been referring to in one of them. I had been inferred to be a racist and disgusting though you don't find that this was meant for me, though written directly to me about words I had written. Also, Rosalie was called a racist too (or her words were also called racist) but again, she wasn't actually told that she was a racist, only that her words were. I was also told by this poster that I was a liar (no, then again, I was told that I lied.) But again, that doesn't mean that I was being called a liar, judging by some logic put forth here. I then posted the post that I had no right to post apparently for then I was at fault for responding. I was the one that started the whole thing and no one else was at fault, at all, according to your posts. . Another writer then took the post that had been put forth ( that included my original post and conveniently left out the later clarification) and accused me of calling all arabs evil. Again, I said that I did not mean all arabs but only the ones in the current conflict with Israel. Debra wrote: Nice messages on other topics will never make those > go away. You say that my actions were ugly and hurtful and "that's not fair fighting." You absolve your friend Colin for any, any responsiblity and find me completely responsible. I don't know exactly how you feel I should respond to that but I am assured that however I do respond will not meet with your approval. You also accuse me of not taking responsibility for what I wrote. Again, I said that Arabs are evil in my opinion; THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN THE CONFLICT WITH ISRAEL, THOSE WHO KILL INNOCENT CIVILIANS AND WANT ISRAEL EXTERMINATED. NOT EVERY ARAB ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH. I do not deny writing what I wrote, in context of what I was writing about. You may find my reaction to Colin bizarre . That is your right. I find your reaction to me not bizarre at all but expected. As far as the issue of lurkers, you (infer) that I was trying to be manipulative and the tactic was not impressive. I was not trying to be impressive nor manipulative. I am not interested in impressing you nor manipulating you. I mentioned them because, indeed, they are out there and are afraid to post. That is fact and whether or not you find their presence important is your call. Apparently, and I won't use the prescence of lurkers to try to manipulate and impress this time, even judging by his own post, there are many who have had feelings similar to mine. Whether or not you find that valid or worthy, again, is your call. As for your phrase; my using "big general insults", that is your opinion and whether you acknowledge it or not, inferred insults that have no place to go but directly where they were intended are just as effective and just as hurtful. You told me twice to state my opinion. I have done so and have tried to be as clear and as fair as I could be though I am sure it will not suffice and, again, I will be the sole one responsible for this latest problem; at least according to some. I can live with that but that doesn't make it so. I wish you well and that is sincere. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: this list, the world and EVERYTHING (NJC) - --- John van Tiel wrote: > Dear Lieve wrote: > "I've seen so many wonderful postings, insightful or funny, that > don't get > any response, probably because people are too busy or too shy or feel > they > can't add anything sensible... and sometimes the writer will comment > afterwards "well it seems like no-one noticed" which is definitely > untrue, > although it's so normal to feel that way. I just want to remind > those > people that they have probably made quite an impact on quite a number > of > people, even if they never heard of it. They may save themselves a > lot of > upset if they keep that in mind. And it takes confidence and trust > to do > so." > > > a timely bit of post here, lately I have been approached off list by someone who is so articulate, and sensitive, who has posted some things near and dear to their heart, only to be met with silence. This silence made them think twice about posting such things again. I know that I've felt this way too, sometimes. Anyway, I assured them that the silence could be for a million reasons, from the digests disappearing into cyber oblivion, or the digest format itself being difficult too reply to..or something. Or being afraid to approach someone... too much life going on, perhaps. And maybe, just maybe some people just don't know 'what' to say. I know that this is a time of great change and challenge for many of us here and now. It is my hope that those who are brave enough to post intimate thoughts and feelings will continue to do so, inspiring us all. Know that we hear you, know that your words are taken in and cherished. And if you can't find that courage, now, we hear you anyway. I refer once again to our Victor's suggestion that this list is like a diary and I for one, love that. I love to read what you have to say, to share in the moments of life, yours, mine, ours. Life. Life together. Here. I love that component of the list. I know, it IS the Joni Mitchell discussion list, however, how can we compartmentalize?? (is that a word??) How can we separate Joni from our every day ? Joni and the philosophy of Joni and what Joni's music is about, her music/life/philosophy/ideas/art/poetry and even imagining what and why she did what she did is what brought us all to 'here' in the first place. Joni and this list are so much a part of my world. And so it goes. Mags celebrating so much joy these days. np: Two Grey Rooms, this song always take me to special places. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:29:49 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of Sherelle NJC Dear Joseph, First of all, thank you so much for your heartfelt words. I've been going through some ups and downs and really cannot put into words what your endorsements mean to me at this time. I thank you. There is no problem playing any of the originals, (Do What You Love, You Are My Heart and Walk On By), but I have not made royalty arrangements for Eleanor Rigby or Our Day Will Come. I know that the owner of those songs would get royalties simply because they wrote them, but I think there is some arrangement I must make with the Harry Fox Agency, if I decide to have them played (with my voice) publicly, or if I should sell a CD containing those songs. At present, I have not charged any monies for the CD which keeps me safe. I am affiliated with the performance rights organization BMI, but I am not sure if they have any dealings with in the Philippines. Performance rights organizations help the writer get paid a royalty when their songs get played on the radio. At this point in time, Joseph, any (legal) exposure I can get would be most welcome indeed. I thank you for your encouragement and for the joy you feel listening to my music. I thank you from the bottom of my heart. Love, Sherelle In a message dated 05/07/2002 4:03:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph writes: > Sherelle! > > I am sorry if I have to use the list for this and for being the last one to > > comment on Sherelle's CD, but I guess, true talent should be made known to > as many people as possible. > > I received your CD only this weekend (although I was told it arrived a full > > week before) as I was out of circulation mostly and getting in touch with > my self that enjoys beaches (which our 7100 islands are quite famous for) > and relaxing vacations, and I am soooooo impressed! > > Many people in the List already sang praises to your voice, the very well > produced CD and innate musicianship, but I was unprepared for the aural > delights of your 5-track album! This is definitely excellent stuff that > begs to be played in mainstream radio!! Someone said many weeks ago that > your voice sounds like Anita Baker, and I agree! But you also sound like > two other favorite singer/songwriters of mine: Julia Fordham and Joan > Armatrading. I know its lame to compare voices to other singers, but your > singing possesses soul quite unlike the great ladies mentioned! I like your > > cover of "Eleanor Rigby" and I can just imagine what pleasure we would all > have if you cover a Joni (say, "Blue Motel Room" or "Edith and the > Kingpin"- > - two of my favorite Joni songs), but my favorite among the wonderful > tracks is: "Do What You Love". > > I have a question. Is there no legal problem (e.g. Intellectual property > rights, copyright, royalty, etc.) if I ask a DJ to play it on mainstream > Manila radio? Like Kate Bennett's astounding first album and Fred Simon's > ethereal pianism, I would like local listeners to get a taste of your > music. > > > Thanks for the great CD and sharing us your talent. > > Joseph > (damn! i wish i could sing) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:39:58 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of Sherelle NJC Dear Cindy, I just sent a message off to Joseph in the Philippines, and I would just like to reiterate how happy your email has made me. I try to do this for my own soul's satisfaction, but it is soooo gratifying when others feel that I am in top form. It is important that I do my best in music and though I feel I have a long way to go, your email along with everyone else who have been so kind gives me the encouragement to keep on trying. Thank you so much! Love, Sherelle In a message dated 05/07/2002 7:26:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cvickery@danielrealty.com writes: > joseph wrote: > < last one to comment on Sherelle's CD, but I guess, true talent > should be made known to as many people as possible.>> > > well, joseph, let me rescue you from being last. i got > sherelle's cd in the mail yesterday, and i cleverly didn't let it > languish in my mailbox for a week - i hied straight for the cd > player! > wow wow and wow!!! > sherelle, you have an incredible talent, girl! i'm so impressed! > despite all the good press from your fellow JMDLers, i just > wasn't prepared to be this blown away! > i LOVE your original pieces, and you took the covers, and > "eleanor rigby" in particular, to delightful new places. and > your voice is just awesome - very strong and sure. in all > seriousness, this may very well be the best cd purchase i make > all year! i'm thrilled for you and proud of you and anxious to > buy your next cd!! > again, wow! > > cindy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #205 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?