From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #201 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 201 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: May 7 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Colin's post - NJC ["Marian Russell " ] sexy song [shane ] RE: Profiling in America, NJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] RE: Colin, NJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: Re: NJC Celine Dion [] Re: Joni's sexiest song [] Re: A Case Of Sherelle NJC [] they can't take that away from me, NJC [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] RE: Joni's Sexiest Song [Engwall57@aol.com] Checking In [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Profiling.....moi?, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] american children, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Tr: Jewish Joke, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] The Top 15 Adult Videos for Animals (njc) [jan gyn ] Miles of Aisles ["James Phillips" ] the world of Joni Mitchell lp ["James Phillips" ] joni in my sunday paper [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Miles of Aisles [Merk54@aol.com] Re: the world of Joni Mitchell lp [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: RE: Joni's Sexiest Song [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: RE: Colin, NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Introduction +, njc really at this point [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Neil Young, Norah Jones on TV & more njc [Randy Remote ] NJC Otis Blackwell, 1931-2002 [Vince Lavieri ] NJC Otis Blackwell, part 2 [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Re:now sedaris/billie - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: joni in my sunday paper [Mags N Brei ] RE: Joni's Sexiest Song ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Either/Or Thinking: The Root of All Evil (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Re:now sedaris/billie - njc [FredNow@aol.com] RE: Abortion and Paris - NJC ["patrick leader" ] NJC Stones [Vince Lavieri ] Re: now sedaris/billie - njc [FMYFL@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 03:04:40 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: May 7 On May 7 in history: 1983: Joni performs at Verona Arena in Italy 1996: Joni attends a Polar Prize press conference. 1997: Joni was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame [today] in Cleveland but she did not attend the proceedings. Jann Wenner, co-founder of both the Hall of Fame and "Rolling Stone" magazine, gave a few opening remarks about Joni Mitchell and her place in music history, and then showed her induction film. Following the thunderous applause for the film (Go Norm!), he introduced singer-songwriter Shawn Colvin. Before beginning her induction speech, Shawn sang a terrific live version of "Free Man In Paris" that was quite true to Joni's original on the album "Court and Spark." Speaking off-the-cuff after the song, a nervous Shawn proved she's a huge Joni Mitchell fan by her opening statement: "Joni's an artist who has meant just absolutely the world to me." Shawn then related that she was introduced to Joni's music when she was 13: "I went to church-camp and some 14 year olds told me that I was really nowhere unless I'd heard Joni Mitchell. So I went and bought the album "Clouds" ...and it changed my life." Graham Nash then accepted for Joni with a short but eloquent speech that began: "For the last half of my life, Crosby has been getting me into deep shit. It was never truer than when in 1966 (it was actually 1967), he introduced me to a woman that I fell madly in love with after looking at her, and listening one on one to at least 20 of the most fabulous songs that I'd ever heard in my life and there was no question that this woman was a force to be reckoned with." He defended Joni's inclusion as a rocker by saying : "...She's a very tough lady and she's always been a rock and roller at heart. She's always been and wanted to be one of the boys." He mentioned that Joni has had quite a tremendous year beginning with her 2 Grammy Awards in February 1996. He then added that one of the reasons that Joni wasn't there at the ceremonies was because she's still enjoying bonding with her daughter Kilauren after being reunited 32 years after she gave her up for adoption. Later during the all-star jam that ends every Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ceremony, James Taylor performed "Woodstock," which was a #11 hit for Crosby, Stills & Nash in 1970. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 03:14:23 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: Re: Colin's post - NJC Bob wrote to colin: > And for the record, I think you're great. On-list > and off-list, you've often said things that have > made my day, and I am grateful for that. Same here, colin. I would really miss you if you left. I always read your posts, hoping for another of your gems of wisdom. Colin, in my opinion, you are one of the most sane people on the list. It is very terrible that you were personally attacked, especially with words referring to information that you have shared about your life. This is very wrong and should not be tolerated. I don't have the time to post a lot or to read everything that everyone writes. I feel sorry about that, but it can't be helped in my busy life. I'm sorry I didn't observe that someone had attacked you. As I have said before, I dislike getting into disagreements/arguments, try to avoid them, and so I don't read things in the list that seem at a quick glance to be confrontational or argumentative. I have said this before, and will say it again, it seems to me that sometimes arguments here get started over what seem to me to be very benign statements. Certain words which are perfectly neutral to one person can cause a violent reaction in another. We all need to be careful how we say things and also to analyze our reactions to the things other people say. If we have a negative reaction to something, we should exercise some restraint before posting an angry reply and also try not to assume the worst possible interpretation - ask questions - "It sounded to me like you were saying ....... when you said ...... - is that what you meant?" - take responsibility for your own reaction - "when you said .......- I felt ......" - rather than name-calling. Marian Vienna NP: Chief - Patty Griffin - 1000 Kisses ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:31:39 -0700 From: shane Subject: sexy song i like "all i want" for my vote as the sexy song of joni.. "i want to talk to you want to shampoo you..." mmm shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong from emmedia, shane's cd, blonde on blue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:13:48 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Profiling in America, NJC "Hmmm . . . nope, no patterns anywhere to justify profiling" Is this supposed to be in support of some arguement or discussion taking place on this list? I've been deleting most of the mails on this Middle East subject as I really dont have the energy or clarity of expression to usefully contribute and ultimately neither do I feel well informed. And yes, I think there has been some hideous expression on the topic. Damn me for shutting up! And damn my feeling of ignorance. But this!!! 'Let's pause a moment' and consider what is really being done when this shite is being passed on. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:14:05 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Colin, NJC >As other people have said, you have a tendency to judge and to be the >"master of all knowledge". >That's all as far as I'm concerned. >Laurent I met Colin once, read him heaps of times.....this observation is bollocks. Sorry to be blunt. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:11:30 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Re: NJC Celine Dion Its really funny but when I watched the recent Oscars, there was this segment where a conductor (John Williams? Hans Zimmer? I forgot) saluted the musical scores of famous films. It was really a very very short medley of main themes, but believe me, when the TITANIC segment was played with Kate Winslet spreading her arms like wings behind Leo di Caprio while Hans Zimmer's "My Heart Will Go On" theme was played, I had this sudden surge of . . . what do you call it, nostalgic thrill? "saudade"? Something approximating that. And I used to hate that song so much. Now I understood that probably one key factor why I disliked the song so much was because radios never tire of playing it, and it can get into one's head and stay there. Funnier still, I had new respect for Celine Dion. Maybe I should purchase my first C. Dion album. Heard from friends that her latest album was more sombre, more laid-back, boring, dirge-like. Hmmm, I am curious. Any JMDL review? Joseph (half-French but can do a Charles Boyer) > <> > > Point well taken...I abhor her voice as well. My point was that the > Bonnie song I referenced is nothing special, a pretty average MOR > ballad, but in Bonnie's hands it flowers to its potential instead of > becoming a withering weed in Ms. Dion's. > > Meanwhile, a song like "I Can't Make you Love Me" would sound pretty > nice regardless of who's singing it. It's just that strong. > > That's why I like tracking down/listening to all these Joni > covers...the songs are usually strong enough to carry the vocalists, > and when BOTH are powerhouse, it's a real joy! > > Bob > > NP: Bob Mould, "Black Sheets of Rain" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:22:06 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest song I would like to vote for Joni's "Blue Motel Room" as the sexiest. I don't know what's this undefinable extra in this song that I find most appealingly seductive? The langourous phrasing? The jazz-like pace? Joni's chanteuse voice? This one's the ultimate sexy song. Maybe my idea of sexy is rooted on something lazy and lounge-y. Joseph np: Ute Lemper: "Je Attend Le Doux Veuvage" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:02:45 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: A Case Of Sherelle NJC Sherelle! I am sorry if I have to use the list for this and for being the last one to comment on Sherelle's CD, but I guess, true talent should be made known to as many people as possible. I received your CD only this weekend (although I was told it arrived a full week before) as I was out of circulation mostly and getting in touch with my self that enjoys beaches (which our 7100 islands are quite famous for) and relaxing vacations, and I am soooooo impressed! Many people in the List already sang praises to your voice, the very well produced CD and innate musicianship, but I was unprepared for the aural delights of your 5-track album! This is definitely excellent stuff that begs to be played in mainstream radio!! Someone said many weeks ago that your voice sounds like Anita Baker, and I agree! But you also sound like two other favorite singer/songwriters of mine: Julia Fordham and Joan Armatrading. I know its lame to compare voices to other singers, but your singing possesses soul quite unlike the great ladies mentioned! I like your cover of "Eleanor Rigby" and I can just imagine what pleasure we would all have if you cover a Joni (say, "Blue Motel Room" or "Edith and the Kingpin"- - - two of my favorite Joni songs), but my favorite among the wonderful tracks is: "Do What You Love". I have a question. Is there no legal problem (e.g. Intellectual property rights, copyright, royalty, etc.) if I ask a DJ to play it on mainstream Manila radio? Like Kate Bennett's astounding first album and Fred Simon's ethereal pianism, I would like local listeners to get a taste of your music. Thanks for the great CD and sharing us your talent. Joseph (damn! i wish i could sing) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 06:55:42 -0500 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: they can't take that away from me, NJC hi mark e. and other JMDLers: this song is SO lovely, i have nothing super special to say about it other than: what a joy! i don't know billie's version, but my favorite is ella fitzgerald and louis armstrong's duet (on "ella and louis") -- it always sounds like there is so much sweetness and affection between them, and a world of respect and experience. thanks for putting this song in my head! - -- emily NPIMH: "the way you sing off-key..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 08:22:34 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: they can't take that away from me, NJC Hi Emily- You're right on the money regarding the Ella-Louis recordings. So much mutual respect and joy shine through. They've just been remastered and re-released too. Tuck & Patti do a killer version of "Can't Take That Away From Me" too. Bob NP: Stan Ridgway, "One For The Road" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 06:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: RE: Colin, NJC Sorry to take up bandwith with this, but I just couldn't let this pass. I've sent mail to Colin privately, telling him that his apology was completely unnecessary. From Les Ross's reply, I gather that Laurent wrote: > >As other people have said, you have a tendency to judge and to be the > >"master of all knowledge". > >That's all as far as I'm concerned. > > >Laurent If I am incorrect in making the assumption that Laurent wrote this, then I apologize, however what I'm about to say is true nonetheless. Whenever I see a post by Laurent regarding politics, I just hit delete. I think that pretty well sums up what I need to say. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 06:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: another DEDhead ok, so this is hokey (sp?) DED > TTT lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 06:36:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Introduction +, njc really at this point > >My favorite version [of 'They Can't Take That Away From Me'] is a radio > aircheck of Billie Holiday singing it with > >the Basie band. It swings and Billie, of course, is divine. > > > Are you sure it isn't David Sedaris? > > -Fred LOL! Thanks for the chuckle this morning, Fred! I have heard Sedaris do 'The Oscar Mayer Weiner Song' a la Billie and it nearly made me pee my pants. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 9:38:20 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: they can't take that away from me, NJC Saw James Taylor do a sweet version of this song at the Fox a couple of years ago... Victor > Tuck & Patti do a killer version of "Can't Take That Away From Me" too. > - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:24:03 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: A Case Of Sherelle NJC joseph wrote: <> well, joseph, let me rescue you from being last. i got sherelle's cd in the mail yesterday, and i cleverly didn't let it languish in my mailbox for a week - i hied straight for the cd player! wow wow and wow!!! sherelle, you have an incredible talent, girl! i'm so impressed! despite all the good press from your fellow JMDLers, i just wasn't prepared to be this blown away! i LOVE your original pieces, and you took the covers, and "eleanor rigby" in particular, to delightful new places. and your voice is just awesome - very strong and sure. in all seriousness, this may very well be the best cd purchase i make all year! i'm thrilled for you and proud of you and anxious to buy your next cd!! again, wow! cindy <<(damn! i wish i could sing)>> god, me too, joseph. and i bet a whole lot of people wish they could sing like THAT. _______________________________________ Cindy Vickery Daniel Corporation 205-443-4718 direct 205-443-4615 facsimile http://www.danielcorp.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:30:08 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: henry diltz Donna replied: Marianne, His website was circulated on the list a while back to share some Joni photos. In case you haven't already seen it check it out at www.henrysgallery.com. Enjoy! Donna - ---------- Susan Guz, Thanks for sharing all that flavor about the Henry Diltz exhibit and the detail and such about the photo's. I didn't really know who Henry Diltz was. Now I am all perked up. Thanks Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:08:45 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: RE: Joni's Sexiest Song I think "A Strange Boy" is one of Joni's sexiest songs, with its snakey lead guitar and the following lyrics: We got high on travel, we got drunk on alcohol, and on love, the strongest poison and medicine of all. See how that feeling comes and goes, like the pull of moon on tides. Now I am surf rising, now parched ribs of sand at his side. What a strange, strange boy. I gave him clothes and jewelry. I gave him my warm body. I gave him power over me. Hmmm! Things are heating up already! Ruthie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:00:49 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Checking In Hello All- Just a note to check in and let you know I am still here. Jazz Fest was a gas as usual and very hot. I am not current at all with the list but plan to catch up soon. Hope everyone is well. There was an article in the Times Picayune newspaper in New Orleans on April 30 in the Living section about JoAnn Clevenger (owner of Upperline Restaurant). It mentioned an era when she worked in the French Quarter that I thought you guys might find interesting. "Clevenger loved the quarter, its characters and funky atmosphere. "I would have never left the quarter", she said, "except I couldn't afford to buy a building." "Leave she finally did, but before she left she operated Andy's in the 400 block of Bourbon, next to Your Father's Moustache. There was live folk music every night. Joni Mitchell was there. Joe Cocker filmed part of "Mad Dogs and Englishmen" there. And Richie Havens blew in one night, borrowed a guitar and sang "Here Comes The Sun". Also In Ryan Adams news, I saw the video of the Corrs and Bono singing "When The Stars Go Blue" this morning on VH-1. Pretty cool. Love to all, Paz NPIMH-When The Stars Go Blue-RA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:16:23 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Profiling.....moi?, NJC > OK, folks, this has gone on long enough. > > When my blue brethren become a multiple choice selection in a Muslim-bashing > e-mail that's supposed to be funny, things have gone too far. > > But seriously -- how can we have any hope for humanity when frigging Joni > Mitchell fans can't even get along? > > --Bob, still not finding anything funny about Leon Klinghoffer's murder, > no matter how it's presented > We jews have the ability to laugh about the most tragic events, and of life's ordeal in general. I thought the profiling email was quite funny and I didn't think twice about offending anybody. I asked 2 close people here whether they thought it was racist. One said that's nonsense and the other said it was. So MEA CULPA. Now VINCE, first you post severe attacks on Sharon with an analogy to Eichmann. Then I post saying you relay simplistic lies and question your moral authority. Then you post you meant Netanyahu, not Sharon. That your whole life was affected by the Shoah, that you FORGIVE me for attacking you because you understand your post set me off. Then you seize the first opportunity to equate the profiling email which was meant to be funny with the Protocol of Zion and other KKK racist trash. How can you equate this email which has a factual basis with racist fiction that is made up? Did muslim extremists accomplish what the email says or not.? Do Jews drink virgin Christian girls' blood each year? What kind of analogy is that? Then you conclude by saying my relaying this thrash takes away any moral authority I may have, which by the way I never claimed to have since I'm not a clergy member. All the while PREACHING LOVE. I am not drawing conclusions on this chain of events yet. I'll let you do it if you feel so inclined. I cannot spend days dissecting every word you write. Let's just say I feel unconfortable with you preaching love, even pages and pages of it, and then behaving this way. Not to mention the simplistic lies for which you still stand and which depict Israel as having no moral fiber. You of all people should know it's not true. Again, I'm not a clergy member so everything here is my own personal opinion, including blunders. As long as you sign "the Rev" then I feel that you have a duty to watch your words which I don't have. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:56:02 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: american children, NJC > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Subject: american children - njc > > Laurent said: > > << I realized I didn't want to raise american children >> > > Funny . . . that's what my parents said! > > --Bob > So what happened? How did this statement from your parents affect you? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:16:55 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: Jewish Joke, NJC > > One of the longest-standing Jewish jokes tells of two > > older Jewish men who were sitting in a park reading > > newspapers. One was reading a Jewish paper, the other > > an anti-Semitic rag. > > > > When the one with the Jewish paper saw what his > > companion was reading, he cried out, "What are you > > doing? How can you read that filth?" > > > > His companion replied, "I used to read the Jewish > > papers all the time. But they are filled with terrible > > stories about anti-Semitism, attacks on Jews and > > Israel, assimilation and threats to the Jewish future. > > It was so depressing, I didn't want to read it > > anymore. > > > > "But this paper is filled with stories about how the > > Jews control the banks, the media, politicians, the > > whole world! It cheers me up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:33:13 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: The Top 15 Adult Videos for Animals (njc) >> A story in the news last week said that a Chinese >>research >> institute is showing giant pandas, notorious for >>their low >> libidos, videotapes of other pandas copulating in >>hopes >> of prodding the nearly extinct species to >>reproduce. >> "As part of the pandas' education, we make those >> which are sexually inept watch videos of other >> pandas having sex," said the center's director. >> >> >> The Top 15 Adult Videos for Animals >> >> >> 15.Deep Goat >> >> 14.The Bitches of Beastwick >> >> 13.A Street Cat Named Desire >> >> 12.Behind the Screen Door >> >> 11.Sniffing Ryan's Privates >> >> 10.Squirrel, Interruptus >> >> 9.Dog-Style Afternoon >> >> 8.Pantin' >> >> 7.The Triple Crown Affair >> >> 6.Mounting Python & the Holy Tail >> >> 5.South Bark: Bigger, Longer, and Unspayed >> >> 4.Hen in Black >> >> 3.Honey, I Humped the Squids >> >> 2.The Pelican's Briefs >> >> and the Number 1 Adult Video for Animals... >> >> 1.Kitty Kitty Gang Bang ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 01:57:23 +0800 From: "James Phillips" Subject: Miles of Aisles dear list: here is a question: when Miles of Aisles was reissued with enhanced sounds a couple years back, was it reissued with the between song talking? I've been thinking of getting it if it does, but if it doesn't I'll just keep my cd copy of it I have. James - -- Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 02:03:31 +0800 From: "James Phillips" Subject: the world of Joni Mitchell lp dear all: I was wondering, how much of a rarity is the World of Joni Mitchell lp from the early 70's? Was it just released in New Zealand or where was it released? I had gotten a copy of it a few years ago at a shop in Urbana and was just wondering more about it. James in Urbana IL now playing: Lucinda Williams - Happy Woman Blues - -- Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:16:16 -0400 From: "katfud@earthlink.net" Subject: Either/Or Thinking: The Root of All Evil (njc) Hey All, With this provocative subject line, I am hoping to start a new thread. I don't know if I've ever started a thread before -- if i have, it was years ago; so this may as well be my first, so BE NICE, ok? ;-) I really appreciated Bob Sartorius' comments about abortion. And I really appreciate Vince's passionate dedication to preventing the banal repetition of history. We need people like you, Vince. Abortion, the Middle East, Pepsi vs. Coke (sorry), these are immense issues that seem to defy productive debate. I guess I'm hopelessly humanist (i.e., non-religious), so it always puzzles me when people get so entrenched in their way of thinking that they lose the ability to recognize that their way of thinking, is, well, a way of thinking. And that there are other people who have other ways of thinking that are also equally valid. It is this human need to be right, this human affliction called the Ego, that is the cause of all our problems. Take abortion, for instance. This is such a polarized issue in our country, and it is often written about as if there is no hope for compromise -- that the two viewpoints are hopelessly exclusive. I disagree. I am firmly pro-choice. This does not mean that I am pro-abortion. I do not know of any pro-choicers who go around advocating abortion per se; I would hazard a guess that no one thinks that terminating a pregnancy is a "good" thing, or that it is an act without unseen consequence. HOWEVER, it is a fact that women have always taken control of their reproduction, whether it's through taking bella donna or, in more modern times, resorting to coat hangers. Abortion, safe or unsafe, is a fact of life. Trying to control the minds and lives of millions or even billions of people is futile, and that should be self-evident to all but the most megalomaniacal or mentally disabled of people. I wish that we could reach consensus on this issue. If the "pro-lifers" would stop waving their Bibles long enough to realize that pro-choicers are not evil, and that really, in the end, many of the goals of the 2 groups are the same (happy, healthy children, for example), we might be able to reach some reality-based, pragmatic solutions. I.e., sex education in grade school, fr! ee distri condoms in junior high and high school... yes, this stuff makes the religious and radical pro-lifers froth at the mouth, but this is only because they are obsessively focused on the way things "should be" instead of on the way they are. I can totally understand why a religious person would find it morally repugnant to terminate a pregnancy under any circumstances (and though I have thankfully never had to face the choice, I am not sure what I would do even in the most heinous of circumstances, because even in my anti-religious humanism, I am a creature of nature (and therefore a bit of a pagan, I suppose) and I do view conception as some kind of miracle -- or at the very least, not something to be taken lightly.) But even though I can understand the "moral" arguments against abortion, I always come back to the fact that as a modern and allegedly civil society, don't we have to come to terms with the good and bad and ugly reality of everyday life? And if this thing called abortion exists, then don't we have an ethical obligation to take whatever PRAGMATIC and NON-RELIGIOUS steps it takes to make sure that the need for it is reduced; but that when the need arises, it can be done quickly, safely and without obstruction? Don't women -- over half the population -- have a civil right to a safe medical procedure if the need arises? (Has anyone seen pro-lifers picketing the offices of urologists who perform vasectomies? And why do insurance companies reimburse for Viagra and not The Pill?!?!) Why can't we have the wisdom to step outside our belief systems long enough to see the other side and develop practical solutions? Isn't Either/Or thinking the real problem here? We are intelligent creatures with enormous creative powers -- surely we can find a solution! Yes, Yassar Arafat and Ariel Sharon: you are intelligent creatures with enormous creative powers -- surely you can find a solution! But it's difficult when neither of you wants to! You both prefer to be right -- and to hell with all the people who will lose their lives because of your hubris! Both of you are right and both of you are wrong! Get over it, get over yourselves, and stop the violence! Yes, George Bush and Dick Cheney: you are intelligent (well...) creatures with enormous creative powers -- surely you can find a solution! Surely we can end our dependence on fossil fuels! Surely you realize that the interests of your energy industry buddies are not one and the same with the interests of US citizens at large! Surely you realize that people can reduce, reuse, recycle, build hydrogen fuel cells, build photovoltaic panels and windmills and -- yes! -- still make shitloads of money! Surely you realize that where there's a will, there's a way! Either/Or thinking automatically precludes compromise. It automatically demands escalation of conflict. It automatically presumes a Victor and a Loser. We perpetuate Either/Or every day of our lives, in ways large and small. Until we become truly self-aware creatures -- aware with honesty and integrity of both our power to destroy and our power to create, and to take responsibility for those powers -- we are doomed to live our lives in ways that ensure our destruction. But I remain hopeful. Kay - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:26:23 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Joni's Sexiest Song Still my favorite mondegreen: "Now I am surf rising, now parsnips descend at his side..." - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Engwall57@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:09 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Joni's Sexiest Song I think "A Strange Boy" is one of Joni's sexiest songs, with its snakey lead guitar and the following lyrics: We got high on travel, we got drunk on alcohol, and on love, the strongest poison and medicine of all. See how that feeling comes and goes, like the pull of moon on tides. Now I am surf rising, now parched ribs of sand at his side. What a strange, strange boy. I gave him clothes and jewelry. I gave him my warm body. I gave him power over me. Hmmm! Things are heating up already! Ruthie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:24:05 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni in my sunday paper From an article about the inability of women in Hollywood to find significant acting roles once they pass the age of 40, by Dan Aucoin in this past Sunday's Boston Globe Magazine: "The interior lives of middle-aged or elderly women have found rich expression in the songs of Joni Mitchell, in plays like Eve Ensler's "The Vagina Monologues, and in novels by Anne Tyler and Margaret Atwood. Yet the US movie industry treats older women with contempt, as non-persons." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:20:41 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles of Aisles James, Yes, the in between songs chatting is restored (at least for the most part). I know the Paint A Starry Night, Again bit is back in, but I'm not sure all of the talking has been restored. I just listened to it the other day, as part of my Spring ritual (I have to drive around the countryside, blasting MOA on one of the first great spring days). This past Sunday, was that day, and I really recommend this event to everyone - or at least people who have to deal with real winters. Those first few perfect spring days are almost like a religous experience, and MOA is the perfect soundtrack. Anyway, back to the question. If I recall correctly, there are still a few tidbits missing from the re-released cd, but I don't know for sure. For example, I can't recall hearing the Joni, You have more class bit, but it might be there. I'm sure someone on the list has the definitive answer on this. Which ever version you have, I recommend popping it in the old car stereo, rolling down the windows, opening the sun roof (if you've got one), and head for the country. You will return home totally recharged. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:22:33 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the world of Joni Mitchell lp <> Yep, this was just released in NZ, James, but thanks to E-Bay it's become pretty common. It pops up there about once a month or so. The recordings themselves are not rare at all, of course, as they are just a reshuffling of the same tracks as her US releases. Bob NP: Me'Shell, "Bitter" (less than a month until her new one!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:37:28 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Joni's Sexiest Song <> Man, that's a great pick, Ruthie...so full of direct and subliminal sexual imagery. In the final verse: "A thousand glass eyes were staring In a cellar full of antique dolls I found an old piano And sweet chords rose up in waxed New England halls While the boarders were snoring Under crisp white sheets of curfew We were newly lovers then We were fire in the stiff blue-haired house rules" I always was under the suspicion that they were making love in the cellar, under the 'watchful' eyes of all those voyeuristic dolls, and contrasts their spontaneous & amorous actions with the snoring boarders who are all being "good" and in their rooms. It's an unbelievably good lyric, painting with words & music indeed! Bob NP: Me'Shell, "Loyalty" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:18:49 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Colin, NJC Les is right.Colin strikes me as one of the most OPEN MINDED,NON-JUDGEMENTAL people I've ever encountered,not only here,but anywhere. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:19:01 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction +, njc really at this point In a message dated 5/7/02 8:36:27 AM, mark.travis@gte.net writes: >> >My favorite version [of 'They Can't Take That Away From Me'] is a radio >> >aircheck of Billie Holiday singing it with >> >the Basie band. It swings and Billie, of course, is divine. > >> Are you sure it isn't David Sedaris? >> -Fred > >LOL! Thanks for the chuckle this morning, Fred! I have heard Sedaris >do 'The Oscar Mayer Weiner Song' a la Billie and it nearly made me pee my >pants. >Mark E in Seattle Sedaris is brilliant (his book, "Me Talk Pretty One Day," is incredible), but he's almost ruined Billie for me. He's so dead on that when I hear her I picture David. Have you heard his rendition of Billie singing Madonna's "Material Girl"? Oh, man ... - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:24:41 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Neil Young, Norah Jones on TV & more njc I've learned they are also showing it at 7PM EST the same night. Did anyone catch Norah Jones? I had never seen her before, liked her quite alot. Ravi Shankar's daughter (!). Grew up in the states....don't know what the story was on that...I picture him on tour with Aerosmith, a drunken night with a groupie....hasn't Ravi been married to the same Indian woman for, like 95 years? Anyway, Norah was cool, and Ravi's other daughter, Anoushka, (Norah's half sister), an accomplished sitarist, is, too. RR Mark or Travis wrote: > > SAT > > BRAVO 1AM Musicians-Ann & Nancy Wilson > > I have to remember to tune in to this one. Bravo is doing a series of > programs on songwriters. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:32:01 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re:now sedaris/billie - njc Fred writes: << Have you heard his rendition of Billie singing Madonna's "Material Girl"? Oh, man ... >> Where are you guys hearing these? I have heard Sedaris do "They Can't Take That Away From Me," but not "Material Girl" or "The Oscar Mayer Wiener Song." Also, I went to see him at Harvard last spring (Sanders Theater, SRO) when he was promoting "Me Talk Pretty One Day" and he was terrific. If you ever get a chance to go to one of his readings, I strongly recommend it. I have never read any other writer who makes me laugh out loud as consistently as Sedaris does. Does anyone know any other authors who are half as funny? I'd love to hear about them. His sister Amy also cracks me up when she's on Letterman's show, but I never saw her short-lived TV series. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:53:13 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re:now sedaris/billie - njc Don't know why Sedaris threads come around so often on this list, but anyway FWIW I'll throw in that I went to High School with him, he was pretty much of a character way back when (Sanderson High School/Raleigh, NC class of '75). Bob NP: Neville Bro's: "Love Spoken Here" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:41:33 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Profiling.....moi?, NJC Laurent Olszer wrote: > .Now VINCE, first you post severe attacks on Sharon with an analogy to > Eichmann. That is bullshit. Total, absolute bullshit. Show me where I ever said the word or name "Eichmann." I did say that the 1982 massacres were not, I repeat, I said they were *not* genocide, not Shoah. Show me where I said anything about Eichmann ever, let alone in comparison with Sharon. Come on, show me. > Then you post ... that you FORGIVE me for attacking you I never said that either. > I cannot spend days dissecting every word you write. Too busy making up your own words that attribute to me,, I am sure... > Not to mention the simplistic lies that is your department: see above, and below > for which you still > stand and which depict Israel as having no moral fiber. And I never said that either. Not at all. > As long as you sign "the Rev" then I feel that you have a duty to watch your > words which I don't have. double standards? I am going to quote Anne: "Whenever I see a post by Laurent regarding politics, I just hit delete. I think that pretty well sums up what I need to say." My reply to Anne is that I wish that I were that smart. And succinct. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:55:05 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Otis Blackwell, 1931-2002 Coming home from work, on All things Considered they announced the death of Otis Blackwell. From the ATC page on the NPR site, http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=05/07/2002&PrgID=2 I found the following: Otis Blackwell Otis Blackwell wrote more than a thousand songs for top name performers from Elvis Presley to Billy Joel. Some of his best known hits include "Don't Be Cruel," and "All Shook Up." Blackwell died last night at the age of 70. Liane Hansen talks about Blackwell's career with Peter Guralnick, author of "Last Train to Memphis: The Rise of Elvis Presley." (5:00) The book is published by Little Brown, 1999. Back to me: I also know he wrote Fever, Great Balls of Fire, Return to Sender, Handyman, Breathless, among many others. I found this story about him on the Internet: http://www.nashvillesongwritersfoundation.com/fame/blackwell.html "Goldy" Goldmark of Shalimar Publishing said (to Blackwell)'You can write about anything. Write about this!' And he shook a bottle of soda. Blackwell went home and wrote "AllShook Up." Back to me: A pioneer like this should be remembered, Someone who gave us so much good music should be remembered. Rest eternal grant Otis Blackwell, O Lrd, and let light perpetual shine upon him. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:59:12 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Otis Blackwell, part 2 http://www.jazzreport.com/interviews/otis-blackwell.html I found this Otis Blackwell interview on the internet and it is too cool not to share. Why isn't someone like this in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or is he, and I am ignorant? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:11:36 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re:now sedaris/billie - njc Bob Muller writes: << Don't know why Sedaris threads come around so often on this list >> Hey, Bob! Here are my guesses: 1.) He's the funniest writer to come along in many years. 2.) Sedaris has been on the bestseller lists for 2 or 3 years now, so lots of people have read his books. 3.) Many have heard him on NPR, especially around Christmas, when his reading of "The Santaland Diaries" is rebroadcast. 4.) JMDLers have a deep appreciation for people who are good with words. 5.) But most of all, because he went to high school with you! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:13:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: joni in my sunday paper Our beloved Smurphy wrote: > << significant > acting roles once they pass the age of 40, by Dan Aucoin in this past > > Sunday's Boston Globe Magazine: > > "The interior lives of middle-aged or elderly women have found rich > expression in the songs of Joni Mitchell, in plays like Eve Ensler's > "The > Vagina Monologues, and in novels by Anne Tyler and Margaret Atwood. > Yet the > US movie industry treats older women with contempt, as non-persons.">>>> I was visiting a dear friend yesterday and she showed me a wonderful black and white photo of Joni in "Feel Fabulous Forever", a book which celebrates the aging process of women, encourages women to embrace their laugh lines and grey hair and understand all the wondrous changes going on the outside as well as the inside. To this day, I don't get it, why ARE older women treated with such contempt? I find this attitude rather insulting and have experienced it myself, even at my age! geeze!!!! Could it be that some people are threatened by us? Could this contempt/disrespect be a way to try and throw us off balance? An attempt to knock us down because of the power and wisdom and sense of self we gain as we age? Mags ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 18:35:05 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: RE: Joni's Sexiest Song That is just tooo funny. Better than any of my bumbling Mondegreens.. It is funny that several have mentinoed "A Strange Boy" because as of recently, I have been listening to HEjira on my walkman atleast once a day and paying attention to lyrics that I normally overlooked or had forgotten and I must say that A Strange Boy has grabbed my heart. That was a long run on sentence, so I apologize. So, I am really getting to love Hejira.. There were alot of qualities about the record that I had noticed, but not dug before. Slowly it climbs up my list of favorite Joni records. Blair NP: SOng For Sharon > >Still my favorite mondegreen: > >"Now I am surf rising, now parsnips descend at his side..." > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Either/Or Thinking: The Root of All Evil (njc) Hi Kay. What a great post! I do have a couple of things to add/respond to. > HOWEVER, it is a fact that women have always taken control of their reproduction Well, we've TRIED to, but haven't always been terribly successful. Actually, the male medical establishment hasn't really be all that concerned with women's health issues until recently. But, the tide is definitely turning. > (Has anyone seen pro-lifers picketing the offices of urologists who perform vasectomies? And why do insurance companies reimburse for Viagra and not The Pill?!?!) Such great observations!!!! > But I remain hopeful. Yeah, me too. Maybe we're both off our rockers, but it beats the alternative :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:49:32 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re:now sedaris/billie - njc In a message dated 5/7/02 3:32:01 PM, Murphycopy writes: ><< Have you heard his rendition of Billie singing Madonna's "Material Girl"? >Oh, man ... >> > >Where are you guys hearing these? NPR, usually Fresh Air. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:59:18 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Abortion and Paris - NJC hey bob; i just read an absolutely wonderful book about paris. i strongly recommend 'paris to the moon' by adam gopnik, to any american thinking of visiting, or especially moving to paris. he's a new yorker writer who was permitted to move to paris in 1995 and be a 'foreign correspondent'. his son was an infant so a lot of the book is about raising a youngster in paris, but there are also essays about the fashion shows, a collaborator trial, french cooking, many other aspects of parisian life. much of the book was originally published in the new yorker, and i loved it so much there that i was thrilled to see it analogized. he's just a terrific writer, as good as any essayist writing today, as far as i'm concerned. his stuff for the new yorker since he returned has been just as high quality; i look for his byline every week. oddly enough, and this will interest laurent, he and his wife decided to move back to new york as his son approached 5. they did not want their children schooled by the french system, they felt that it so regimentized students that they had fewer choices, or less will to take their choices, than americans. an interesting viewpoint, that i wouldn't care to comment on unless i'd lived a long time in both the us and france. anyway, just a fantastic book, now out in quality paperback. patrick np - mathilde santing - palace moon and go directly to wishing you bon voyage! Have a wonderful >time in the most beautiful city in the world, among the arrogant and >sophisticated and full of joie de vivre Parisians (although men in suits >bare-handedly carrying bread home for dinner modified both the arrogance >and sophistication somewhat). It was a pleasure hearing them speak their >beautiful language. I met people who liked Americans and some who >didn't, and had a wonderful time when I was there many years ago. Plus, >they take very good care of their art. Enjoy! > >Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 19:15:41 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Stones Gees, I am a posting pest today. Got home from work and was reading my emails and there was one from the Chicago White Sox, announcing the Stones are playing at Comiskey Park on September 13th (a Friday, should be interesting) and as a seasons ticket holder, I can buy 4 advances tickets at the not so unreasonable price of $90 @ so, I am going to see the Stones! I was sitting there after I ordered, thiinking about how my father refused to let me go see the Beatles at old Comiksey back in 1985, and lo and behold he calls me. I would have yelled at him for 1965 but decided gallant son-ship is in letting some things go. I have never been that great of a Stones fan and these guys are old - the White Sox announcement said this is the 40th year of the Stones and that made me feel ancient, but not as ancient as the Stones - but I just couldn't pass this one up. Now I have to start figuring which 3 friends I am going to invite! So who out there has any Joni-Stones degrees of separation? all, right, jumpin jack flash is a gas! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:19:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: now sedaris/billie - njc In a message dated 5/7/02 4:54:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Don't know why Sedaris threads come around so often on this list Because he's so darn funny, and maybe Sanderson High School is responsible for "two" of the most wittiest people on earth. It's just that you don't get paid for it Mr. Muller. I still think Sedaris has written the funniest books I've ever read, and you *have* to get the audio books to listen to his voice. I found this link where you can hear him do his Billie Holiday impression singing "Away In a Manger". This is from one of his live radio shows, and it's not quite as good as the audio book "Holidays on Ice", but it's still funny. go to: http://home.pacifier.com/~paddockt/sedaris.html Once at the David Sedaris website, click on "hear his work". Scroll down to the book "Holidays on Ice" and choose the chapter called "Santa Land Diaries" This chapter is 59 minutes long, but if you move the clip position to 33 min. 30 seconds, you'll go right to it. (This is using Real Player) Always glad to talk about David Sedaris! Jimmy ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #201 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?