From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #200 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 200 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Abortion and Paris - NJC [Bobsart48@aol.com] Communicating [was Re: Middle East] NJC [dsk ] Re: Abortion and Paris - NJC [dsk ] Re: Just some loose, unfinished thoughts of a Dutch Uncle (NJC) [Susan Gu] Pim Fortuyn (njc) ["Kakki" ] profiling . . . moi? - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Middle East NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Introduction +, njc really at this point [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Profiling in America, NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: diehard for DED... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Neil Young, Norah Jones on TV & more njc ["Kate Bennett" ] JT ["Kate Bennett" ] A critical future of music issue...njc ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 00:06:48 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Abortion and Paris - NJC All of this talk about Roe v Wade and abortion rights - seems to me that the passions really reside on the fringes, and the center is melancholy. For me, and for millions of people in the 'middle', the issue of abortion is one of selecting the lesser of two evils. Very few of us in the middle think that abortion is a good act. Many of us believe, inherently and in our gut, that it is a bad act. We have a situation, a condition, where if nothing is done to intervene what nature would intend, a baby will be born. If we intervene, the baby will not be born. The fetus will be killed. If my mother, at age 42, had decided to have an abortion, my beautiful brother John would not have been born, nor would his two beautiful children. This would not have been a good thing - I assure you. It was not convenient - or perfectly safe - - for my mother, who already had 5 children, the youngest of whom was 8 years old, to have another child whom she and my father (7 years her senior) could ill afford. But she did the good thing - by not doing the bad thing. And a strange thing happened along the way. John kept them young - and my parents are now 79 and 86 years young. As against that, must we insist that a drug addict see her baby to term, unwanted and uncared for, whence he or she will be born a drug addict, perhaps be adopted, perhaps not, perhaps be one more victim of abuse, one more ward for the state to care for, one more criminal on the street, or in our prisons ? And there are thousands of scenarios in between, no doubt. I am not a particularly religious person - I am afraid that organized religions are responsible for more harm than good. And I abandoned the one I was raised in, without organized substitution. So, I cannot be labeled a religious zealot. In fact, my position on abortion has been, over the years, that I am uneasily accepting of current law (pro-choice, if you must, but certainly not pro-abortion). But it is wrong to label all of those who are opposed to abortion as insincere in their belief that abortion is wrong. That it is morally equivalent to murder is a big stretch, in my opinion, but that it is a bad act is self evident. My current wife had an abortion, before I knew her. She had her reasons. I have sinned many times - I wonder which of my sins God thinks is worse. It is also religiously fanatical to label those who participate in abortions as murderers - is there no separation between religious theory and real life decision making? Are all mortal sins still equal, damning one to hell ? Where do the mortal sins begin and end ? Using birth control ? Do the rules change every 20 years ? On the legal theory side, I suggest that everyone interested in this matter read Roe v Wade. I am not a lawyer, yet I have read it and - I flatter myself to think - understand it. It is not a terribly complex document. That said, I think that it is obvious that its natural lifespan is approaching an end - it will be obsoleted by science. This is because its fundamental underpinnings include concepts such as viability (marked by "quickening', and - - 28 years ago - the gray area of the second trimester); the state has an interest in the unborn from the point of viability on. That point is earlier and earlier, and soon - in 5 years, or 10, or 20 - this point will be moot. Before anyone yells at me, would you please read the decision ? Also, from a logical point of view, how can one have a right to have another person perform a bad act on your behalf ? What if you cannot find anyone to perform the bad act ? That said, those who would legislate against abortion are fighting a hopelessly lost battle. Give it up. Even if Roe v Wade is overturned (rather than re-affirmed de facto with a different line of reasoning - one or the other must occur sooner or later), most states would not pass laws barring abortions. And even if some states did, there are other states. Not to mention pills. And, if necessary, black markets. It is moot. By all means, in peaceful ways, anti-abortion proponents should express themselves and try to persuade the rest of us that abortion is a bad act and that we should avoid doing it. They probably have righteousness on their sides. But we must not tolerate their becoming terrorists in the process. And, of course, we will not. On another thread, my wife Barbara, my daughter Leah and I are leaving for Paris Friday for 10 days. My first time ever to Europe. Thank goodness Leah is semi-fluent in French (she will be working in France at the Pasteur Institute next year on a Fulbright). It will make up for my recently acquired pigeon French - Barbara will have to get by on her pretty face and the good graces of the French who speak better English than we do French. No doubt I will soon be 'sitting in a park in Paris, France - reading the news - it sure looks bad. They won't give peace a chance. That was just a dream some of us had". But then, at night, it will be lit up - more than 'Paris like'. I like the threads where we try to love and understand each other better. Let's take our sad songs and work to make them better, collectively. Let our tones of voice (written as well as spoken) reflect that commitment, and our respect for one another's views. Even if we are in the right, we are near the borderline. Non ? Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:19:34 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Communicating [was Re: Middle East] NJC Mack, Your message about Colin has been bothering me ever since I read it yesterday, and I've been trying to figure out since then how to respond. I'd like to completely ignore it because, quite frankly, it's much easier to discuss issues "out there" such as the middle east or the supreme court than it is to address a message such as yours, but it doesn't seem right to let something so ugly and hurtful sit there without comment. The communication flaws in your message have also shown up in other exchanges over the years and the result is always confusion and bitterness and alienation, so I want to look at this and give my view, for whatever it may be worth. I'm no expert on communication skills, but I am willing to look and try to sort things out, and learn. My first thought is that I'm glad you wrote on list since what set you off was written on list. At least then you leave yourself open to many different responses, which takes some courage, and I think that's much better than sending such a message privately. When that's done it seems that disputes never get cleared up because the viewpoints can become too narrow and unbudging without any outside input. That being said, it's completely destructive that rather than respond to Colin's comment about your statement, you launch into this wide-ranging attack. That's not fair fighting, to bring in all sorts of things like that. There's no way a person can defend himself against such an attack because no one knows exactly what you're talking about. Such a tactic is meant to confuse the issue so much that you hope no one (including yourself apparently) notices you're not taking any responsibility for what you wrote. Other people have pointed out to you how your statement that you consider Arabs to be evil came across, and asked for some clarification, and you didn't attack them (or give an adequate explanation) so your reaction to Colin's comment is very bizarre. Colin did *not* say you are a racist. His comment was about your one statement. On a discussion list people make comments, yes? Your statement was there for all of us to see. Why you made the leap to thinking Colin was describing your entire character is a mystery to me. And then why you claim that he is name-calling is also a mystery to me. He did not say "Mack, you are a racist" (*that* would be name-calling). How would he even know if you're a racist? He doesn't know you personally and so far there have not been enough consistent statements from you about anything to enable anyone to draw such a definite conclusion about your character. I think that's the case with everyone here. The distinction between disagreeing with a person's statement and describing a person's entire character sometimes gets lost on this list, and then all of a sudden the person who can't see that distinction is accusing someone else of name calling. Once that starts, insults and sarcasm and exaggerations and then claiming to be supported by some silent group of people (in this case scared lurkers) usually follow. You did that here, Mack. It's all there in your message. Colin did not do that and never has. So, which person in this exchange is making the personal attack? (As an aside: It really bugs me when lurkers or any other group who can't be asked about it are used by someone to advance his or her agenda. There are many reasons for people not posting and using them as ammunition is manipulative and not very impressive.) It's obvious you don't like the way Colin comes across or maybe it's the subject matter he brings up that you don't like reading about. Only you can know that. You and everyone has the right to tell him or anyone else your reactions to specific statements. (That's such an "of course" statement it seems silly to even type it out.) You don't have to stay quiet if a particular statement from anyone really bothers you. There wouldn't be a very interesting discussion here if everyone agreed all the time. But sticking with the specifics is really important I think. Talking in big general insults as you did just gums up the communication works, and then things are almost impossible to sort out because no one, including the person you're angry at, knows exactly what you're talking about, and bad feelings result with no chance of resolution. That's poison. Simply put, I think it's important to speak up at the time you're bothered, keep it specific, or forget about it if you're not willing to do that. And when you spill over and write something inappropriate, and I know from personal experience how that can happen given certain circumstances, straighten it out as soon as you can. Debra Shea Dolphie Bush wrote: > > I have one word for you Colin: therapy. Unlike many here, I am not afraid > of you and your brutish tactics don't scare me. It is amazing that someone > who constantly posts about the abuse they have endured has no problem > abusing others. I have seen you dissect multiple posts over the time I > have been here, twist words and meanings to suit you as to somehow make > yourself sound knowledgeable and wise, name call at random, and post > incessantly as to what you think is right and wrong. Your obvious rancor > with Laurent boils down to one thing; he disagrees with you. Yes, being > called racist pisses me off, to use your eloquent words, as does the fact > that you think you have the right to tell others here what to think and to > post. The difference between you and me is that I do not hide behind a self > made persona of sweetness and light and do not claim to be perfect, in any > way. The fact is that political posts were made and then you made it > personal with your name calling, and then have to audacity to infer that > Mack should not be angry about it. In the future I will remember to try to > apply illogic (to understand them) to your posts before I dissect them and > post why you should not have said what you did. The many lurkers who hide > from you may continue to do so but I will not. > > mack > > the racist texan > > I am fed up with this business already as you know you misconstrued what I > said but don't have the class to admit it. The JMDL is not your personal > playground I know you think the JMDL is Colin's land and that you can say > and do whatever you wish I usually just sit back and allow you to do it but > in the future you can bet that the sam > > mack > and though I do hold > > the Israelis responsible for not doing all they can do to help find peace, > > I agree with you that most of the fault lies with the Arabs. You are right, > > they don't want peace. They simply want Israel exterminated. Don't fear > > that all believe what they read or heard for I have no illusions as to > > the motives of the Arabs. I consider them evil and as politically incorrect > > as that might be, it is the conclusion that I have come to and I make no > > apologies for it. I find comparing Sharon to a Nazi war criminal absurd > > and wonder just how pacifist we would be if our borders and lives were faced > > with the constant onslaught, such as that Israel is bombarded with daily. > > I would surmise that the U.S., Britain, and most other countries would have > > already brought out the heavy fireworks. I give Israel a great amount of > > credit for the restraint that they do show. > > > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:37:00 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Abortion and Paris - NJC Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > On another thread, my wife Barbara, my daughter Leah and I are leaving for > Paris Friday for 10 days. My first time ever to Europe. Thank goodness Leah > is semi-fluent in French (she will be working in France at the Pasteur > Institute next year on a Fulbright). It will make up for my recently acquired > pigeon French - Barbara will have to get by on her pretty face and the good > graces of the French who speak better English than we do French. No doubt I > will soon be 'sitting in a park in Paris, France - reading the news - it sure > looks bad. They won't give peace a chance. That was just a dream some of us > had". But then, at night, it will be lit up - more than 'Paris like'. I'm going to pass on responding to your many wise comments about abortion and go directly to wishing you bon voyage! Have a wonderful time in the most beautiful city in the world, among the arrogant and sophisticated and full of joie de vivre Parisians (although men in suits bare-handedly carrying bread home for dinner modified both the arrogance and sophistication somewhat). It was a pleasure hearing them speak their beautiful language. I met people who liked Americans and some who didn't, and had a wonderful time when I was there many years ago. Plus, they take very good care of their art. Enjoy! Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Just some loose, unfinished thoughts of a Dutch Uncle (NJC) Hello Uncle John, Thank you for the kind thoughts you expressed to all of us here during the recent fray. You wrote: When I read Suzans anger, I was mainly surprised. Are there any other subjects that make you angry or emotional, Suzan ... They bring out a very eloquent writer. Well not wanting to continue to fan the flames of these fires, I will explain my own tendencies. I usually don't speak that often (some would beg to differ), but when I have something to say, I try to gather my thoughts using my head. But I tend to lead with my heart or my emotions. I do not think I am very articulate, but I try to address everything as mentally organized as I can. What gets me mad is when, no matter what the subject, people twist people words or thoughts. Or play with the semantics. I can be sharp and/or mean in my arguing, I am not above it. But I prefer to do so with wit and not name calling. I personally get a bit impatient with "beating the dead horse." If you don't bring something new to the table - don't pontificate. That's just me, when I want an audience to hear me, I will try to say something worth hearing but it's the quality of the words chosen not the quantity. Now out and about and being carefree is quite different. I talk and act like a punk ... almost 45 and still a punk! LOL! But the beauty of this community, is that it makes me listen, it makes me a better writer, than I am sure I am. Everyone here educates me and makes me smarter. It makes me take responsibility and pride in what I am saying. Because all of the good, intelligent people of the JMDL are listening to me, when I post. And as I have said before, all of the JMDL, with their love and support and the world they ALL have opened up to me, not only make me a better person, but make me want to be an even better person. We are all works in progress. It is hard to change your personality - but we all continue to grow & blossom. Believe me I am NO angel either - BREE! You have no idea how bad I can be! LOL! Apple pie? Too American for me, you know being the radical that I am! Actually, I just don't care for apples. BUt I will join you in a cup of coffee! Well not IN a cup, but for a cup! Thanks again Uncle John, can't wait to see you at Jonifest! Peace, Susan Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:25:37 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Pim Fortuyn (njc) I was so saddened to read this morning of the assasination of Pim Fortuyn in the Netherlands. I'd read an article on him a few months back and have been following some of the stories on him. Not being a Dutch native, I have no idea what the general take on him was in his country but I liked his spirit. I usually don't start these types of threads but since we've been talking about politics in a number of countries I wanted to put in my two bits on him. I don't think it has been yet established that this was a political assassination, but that seems to be a lot of peoples' initial reaction. He was another who was characterized, I believe wrongly, as "extreme right wing" and most of the international and U.S. media are using those terms to now describe him. Reading his biographical details he started out as a Marxist professor of Sociology who later seemed to become more of what would be considered a libertarian populist in the U.S. You may not agree with some or all of his opinions, but my heart aches that he may have been a vicitim of demonization because he was different than the establishment. Follows is an article from the Opinion Journal. Kakki Pim's Misfortune A Dutch assassination weakens European democracy. BY MATTHEW KAMINSKI Tuesday, May 7, 2002 12:01 a.m. EDT The springtime of popular democracy in Europe went from surprising to terribly bloody yesterday in, of all places, the Netherlands. A day after the French peacefully turned away far-right presidential candidate Jean-Marie Le Pen at the ballot box, a gunman murdered the Dutch variety of that political genre, Pim Fortuyn. Dutch voters never got a chance to pass judgement on a man who briefly stirred up their country's staid political scene. Never before had a Dutch politician dared raise taboo subjects of immigration and crime so openly. Never before, in modern Dutch history, had one died at an assassin's hands. After the shooting outside a radio station in Hilversum, police arrested "a white man of Dutch nationality." Nothing immediate was known about his motives or background. But whatever those turn out to be, the shock of Fortuyn's death for the Netherlands--probably for Europe--will be greater than Mr. Le Pen's surprise appearance in the second round of the French elections on Sunday. Fortuyn was an unusual and provocative politician, rare traits on the Continent. When I met him last Tuesday at his house in Rotterdam, he took evident pleasure in polemics and defied easy generalizations about nativism in Europe. His opposition to immigration was never in doubt; neither, it seemed to me, was his respect for the democratic process. The same can't be said for whoever killed him. This former sociology professor and TV personality certainly didn't look the part of the New Ugly European. He was openly gay and favored hip dark jeans and open-necked shirts. His ideas were also somewhat out of step with other ultra-right parties. He argued that Holland's liberal culture--where same-sex marriages, euthanasia and marijuana are all legal--as well as its safe streets and state-funded hospitals, are threatened by new arrivals who reject these Dutch values. His illiberal solution was to close borders to all new immigrants. It's a novel twist on the theme of multiculturalism run amok that has propelled other extremist parties throughout Europe. It worked. Pim Fortuyn's List, his three-month-old bloc, in March threw the long-ruling Labor party out of power in Rotterdam by scooping up 34% of the vote in municipal elections. A recent poll put his party in third place ahead of the May 15 parliamentary elections. Less than a year after launching his political career, Fortuyn looked a likely kingmaker in the next government. Whenever such politicians succeed, the question becomes whether democracy or demagoguery is at work. It's all the more loaded in Europe. Each success for the hard right tends to get viewed through the prism of 1933. "When you talk about the problem of a multiethnic society, they call you names and say you are a Nazi or a Fascist," Fortuyn complained last week, smiling then. (He hated comparisons with the older Mr. Le Pen, whom he called "a petit bourgeois nationalist.") His murder may raise the question whether Europe can handle such open debate. His strident rhetoric no doubt made him enemies. He described himself to me as the "Samuel Huntington of Dutch politics." Earlier this year, he got much political mileage when a local Muslim cleric spoke out against homosexuality--further proof, Fortuyn claimed, of the "backwardness" of Islamic culture. He broke another taboo by proposing the repeal of a constitutional clause against discrimination. "We can say you are welcome as our guests, but you must respect this as our home," he stated. The message, his defenders insisted, was that immigrants must respect laws and traditions of their new countries. After all, the U.S. assimilates newcomers by insisting on allegiance to the Constitution. The appeal of his movement brought worried comment about the threat to the traditional openness of Holland. Yet the Dutch share the anxieties about national identity, rising crime and changing demographics that its neighbors also grapple with. Holland saw the greatest number of anti-Muslim attacks in the EU after Sept. 11. With a 40% minority population, Rotterdam's neighborhoods are growing segregated. Crime is up, even with a booming economy. A debate about how to make the more recent arrivals feel at home in a Europe traditionally defined by blood ties is long overdue. Fortuyn, who never used Le Penesque rhetoric about "expulsions" and "camps" for immigrants, attacked the failure of integration without offering clear answers. But some voters clearly appreciated the interest in their everyday concerns. Fortuyn staged a frontal attack on the consensus model of European politics where left- and right-wing parties have, ever since World War II, tended to differ little from each other. The current center-left Dutch government has been in office since 1994. Before then, the rightish Christian Democrats held power for 77 years--longer than the Soviet Communist Party. Before his death, the Christian Democrats said they could possibly form a coalition government with him. By contrast, mainstream parties in Belgium and France have tried to build a cordon sanitaire around far-right parties. "It's so undemocratic!" Fortuyn said, in mock horror, before launching into an argument that the EU has for too long been run by "elites." He added that he knew, in a democracy, that it is "impossible to implement 100% of my program." In campaigning on ideas--stimulating, outrageous, never dull--Fortuyn made his country's political life richer. His program may have appealed to some baser sentiments, but democracy in Europe will be the weaker for his passing. Mr. Kaminski is an editorial page writer for The Wall Street Journal Europe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 00:57:35 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: profiling . . . moi? - njc From Laurent, forwarding an e-mail he received: << In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by: (a) The Smurfs >> OK, folks, this has gone on long enough. When my blue brethren become a multiple choice selection in a Muslim-bashing e-mail that's supposed to be funny, things have gone too far. But seriously -- how can we have any hope for humanity when frigging Joni Mitchell fans can't even get along? --Bob, still not finding anything funny about Leon Klinghoffer's murder, no matter how it's presented ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Middle East NJC Hello Kate, Just wanted to thank you for your kind words and philosophical analogies. Also, for being such a strong non-violent conscience in our community. Kate wrote: I like the saying that when you point a finger there are three pointing back at you. And I have to agree with those who remind us to be careful of the words we choose ... it is always dangerous to speak in generalities ... Thanks again Kate, I think I'll always remember that one from now on. I remember when I was young, I was very tempermental, accusing and confrontational. You begin to notice your point gets lost and more people are pointing at you out of distaste than out of admiration. That embarassment made me change my ways and means without giving up the value & content of my opinions. Although it is sometimes very hard. Take care and ... Peace, Susan Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 02:09:26 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction +, njc really at this point "Mark or Travis" writes: >My favorite version [of 'They Can't Take That Away From Me'] is a radio aircheck of Billie Holiday singing it with >the Basie band. It swings and Billie, of course, is divine. Are you sure it isn't David Sedaris? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 02:06:19 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Profiling in America, NJC Vince Lavieri writes: >it is a piece of racist trash. > ... now there is a group to profile, Laurent, white Europeans. After all, >no one comes close to white Europeans in the ability to kill 6 million >people and inflcit terror. Exactly. Thank you, Vince. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 23:13:41 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: diehard for DED... Hi Warren and All.... I remember your first post very well. I believe it was not too long after that I bought DED. And I still don't like it. I have not spun it for months until tonight. It's 2AM....and I am really trying.....is there a better time to listen perhaps? ;-) All this talk from the DEDheads lately made me give a re-listen. I bought a CD case for my car and I put all of Joni's cd's in it... EXCEPT DED. What is so funny... a few times last week passing by my CD holder in the house I see the lone DED....you can't help notice the stand out cover...and I feel a little sorry for it. A little guilty. I think it should join the others.....then I think... nah.... SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE..... Of course...I wasn't too crazy about DJRD when it came out. Now it is in the top somewhere. >give me a D, give me an E, give me a D, what's that spell...three cheers >for >DED ! i'm a fan, matter of fact my first post on the list was in it's >defense.. ( i am also a fan of brenda russell who helps >joni with the vocals !) Brenda Russell, she's great. Compliments Joni perfectly on NRH! Do you know much about her? Where is she? How did Joni find her? Take care, Bree NP:Shiny Toys >loving all things joni, >warren keith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:36:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Neil Young, Norah Jones on TV & more njc Randy, thank you so much for this...& belated thanks to Kakki for your post about Paul the other day...& TO anyone else who posts this stuff i REALLY appreciate it...I am such a random tv watcher & often miss great stuff if someone doesn't alert me so THANKS!!!!!!!! This week on the tube: ALL TIMES EASTERN MON 11PM The Biography Channel-Biography-David Crosby Letterman-Norah Jones Conan-Jewel TUE 3AM The Biography Channel-Biography-David Crosby Leno-Carole King & Louise Goffin WED Letterman-Tom Waits THU Leno-Neil Young FRI PBS-Egg Show-Ani DiFranco * SAT BRAVO 1AM Musicians-Ann & Nancy Wilson PBS-Austin City Limits-Stevie Ray Vaughn * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:38:04 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Middle East NJC >>made me change my ways and means without giving up the value & content of my opinions. Although it is sometimes very hard.<<< that is a great way of putting it susan & i think you get your opinions across with great compassion...i agree, it IS really hard to strive for that higher ground... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:46:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: JT a great article on james taylor in this months performing songwriter with a photo & mention of joni ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:57:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A critical future of music issue...njc "America's fledgling Internet radio industry could be effectively killed on May 21st if the Librarian of Congress (1) accepts the recommendations of its recent Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel ("CARP") concerning Internet radio royalty rates and (2) sets impossibly-complex recordkeeping requirements. Congress passed a law in October, 1998, called the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) which established that webcasters must pay royalties to record labels for the music they play. However, the CARP's recommended royalty rates are currently more than 200% of most Webcasters' gross revenues! If Copyright Office accepts the CARP's recommendation, most observers believe that the decision will effectively kill Internet radio, as the retroactively-owed fees would bankrupt all but the very largest Internet-only webcasters (and would probably trigger the shutdown of most broadcast stations' Web simulcasts, including almost all the educational and community stations )." To find out more about this & what you can do go to http://www.saveinternetradio.org/ ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 02:49:36 -0400 From: "Marian Russell " Subject: Re: Joni's sexiest song The Only Joy In Town Marian NP: Woodstock - Raya O.Coal ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #200 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?