From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #186 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 186 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: gay marriage - njc [colin ] Re: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) [colin ] spanish guitar njc [colin ] Today in History: April 27 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: April 27 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Introduction + [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Introduction + [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Introduction + ["Victor Johnson" ] FWD: Sneak Preview - New Garrin Benfield Music!! [NJC] [Richard Goldman <] boobs NJC [colin ] Re: Transcribing Joni stories [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Priests and STAS ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: New York, New York here I come.(njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Introduction + ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: A duck, a hawk, an owl, & an eagle...(njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: spanish guitar njc [Randy Remote ] Jimmy Page and Joni [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:18:02 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: gay marriage - njc > I think that we (everyone) tend to overlook the > legal aspects of marriage going in, but get hit in the > face with them when trying to get out of a marriage. > yes. however, the protection of it should be available to everyone. If I were married to John, and he died, I would receive his pension. As it is, i won't. that is not fair. he also is not my next of kin and therefore does not have the rights associated with kin. We set up 'power of attorney' for eachother so that either of us is the only one with the right to make decisions on the other's behalf in the case of incapacity. i.e. if either of us are in hospital and very sick, no one, like family, can take over. To me that is very important. Wills have been drawn up,but it couldn't just be straightfroward one-it had ot be watertight and done with a lawyer. We have been together for 21 years this July 7th. The only people we know who have been together longer are another gay couple who were together 40 years. One has just died at 83. Most of the people and couples we know are str8 and most are on their 2nd, 3rd marriages or are single again. We do not know any str8 couples who have been together 21 years or more. Most much less. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:20:39 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) > & sometimes that overwhelming nudge from the universe that helps > us to choose correctly... and still some of us don't! Choice is a strange thing. The more knowledge one has, the more choices one has. It is easy at times to judge people for the choices they make but often they didn't know there was an alternative choice. So many people don't know they have a choice in what to think or to believe. How often have you heard 'i was brought up to believe this or that'? bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 08:34:08 +0100 From: colin Subject: spanish guitar njc what nakes a Spanish guitar Spanish? Is it the shape? The strings? The way it is tuned or the way it is played? I love the sound of it. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:49:02 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: April 27 On April 27 in history: 1991: Night Ride Home hits #41 on the US charts. Her final outing with Geffen, Mitchell enters into a dispute with the label which has allegedly placed a lien on her publishing royalties in an effort to recoup its investment in her recordings, a tactic which the company subsequently drops. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:49:02 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: April 27 On April 27 the following items were published: 1968: "The Joni Mitchell Success Story" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/680427ssp.cfm 1974: "From Folk Waif to Rock & Roll Lady" - Sounds (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/740427s.cfm 1974: "The Divine Miss M" - Melody Maker (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/740427mm.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:59:49 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + In a message dated 4/26/02 8:36:01 PM, mark.travis@gte.net writes: >>Although not 30 years her junior, the two >> exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is >> better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. >>Need I qualify this as just my opinion? >> >> -Fred > >I would say so, yes. >Mark E in Seattle What I meant was that it should be clear that this is just my opinion. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 04:32:33 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + "Kate Bennett" writes: >>>>Although not 30 years her junior, the two >exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work >is better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need >I qualify this as just my opinion? > >- - -Fred<<< > >Fred, are you my twin separated at birth? Except I don't know that much >about jazz... It's possible. Do you have a large mole on your right shoulder blade? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 5:16:27 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Introduction + ROTFLOL...... Victor > >>Need I qualify this as just my opinion? > >> > >> -Fred > > > >I would say so, yes. > >Mark E in Seattle > > > What I meant was that it should be clear that this is just my opinion. > > -Fred - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 03:06:41 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: FWD: Sneak Preview - New Garrin Benfield Music!! [NJC] From: "Garrin Benfield" Subject: Sneak Preview - New Garrin Benfield Music!! Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 Hello Friends, I wanted to write and let you know that you can now hear three tracks off of my new CD, "Nowhere is Brighter" by visiting my page at http://www.mp3.com/garrin. The songs are "Hungry Ghost", "What to Listen For", and "Lonely Journey". All three tracks feature drummer Ricky Fataar (Bonnie Raitt, Beach Boys) and bassist James "Hutch" Hutchinson (Bonnie Raitt, CSNY). The CD will be available in it's entirety on May 9. These tracks should give you an idea of what to expect at the release party in San Francisco: Thursday, May 9, 8:30 pm Great American Music Hall 859 O'Farrell, SF, CA Featuring an opening set by Tim and Greg of the Mother Hips. Garrin's band will include Ricky and Hutch, as well as Bay Area guitar legend Nina Gerber. Other special guests are expected. Advance tickets are recomended at the Great American Music Hall box office (no service charge) or at ticketweb.com. For more information: www.garrin.com, www.motherhips.com. See you all there! - --Garrin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:12:27 +0100 From: colin Subject: boobs NJC Would some kind woman please give me an idea of how far it is from the shoulder to just under their boobs? CM's pereferably. Oh and someone who is about 5ft 3 to 5ft 5. I am guessing 30cm(12") thank you-- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:27:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Transcribing Joni stories Kakki, I've done the "Arbutus" story from '74 (several different versions, this one was from Radio City), and the Michaelangelo story introducing "Refuge" on one of the '83 shows, forget which one. I know that Catherine has done the wonderful "knitting" story from PWWAM too. Bob, in NYC!! NP: Ella, "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most" (Stephen & Rusty say hello to you, Kakki!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:46:15 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: Priests and STAS Thanks for the big welcome, Bob! And for the path to the article on the picture! It didn't mention what she was carrying (or wearing),but you were right! It was a very interesting read. Although she wasn't pregnant at the time, those clothes look very oversized. I've kinda pictured her as the poor, starving artist type in those early days when she "was working cheap". You know,not being able to buy clothes, and wearing the few things you had over and over, and saving your money for guitar strings and important stuff, lol. Hope you are all having fun at your mini "fest" this weekend!! Mia _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:59:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New York, New York here I come.(njc) It was pretty moving coming into NYC yesterday...I told Stephen & Rusty I felt like Joe Buck (from Midnight Cowboy, my fave film) except that thankfully I flew in instead of taking a Greyhound. We had a great dinner last night, previewed some of the upcoming covers volumes (Stephen has been a huge supporter of this project since day one) and is a total junkie like me. We were in a couple of Bleecker St. record shops trying to find some new ones, but no luck yet. We did find a Debby Boone LP with a "California" on it, but the odds of it being Joni's were pretty obscure, and even at $2.99 we didn't take the chance. Anyway, the weather is perfect, NYC is a totally mesmerizing city. This afternoon we go see the Crucible with Laura Linney & Liam Neeson, with a meet and greet with Ms. Linney already set up. I'm already getting nervous! Sorry to use the list for a "diary" entry, but it is only through this group...Joni, Wally, Les, Stephen, etc. that these wonderful things are happening for me. I am truly and sincerely grateful for these friendships. Bob NP: Christine Sullivan, "Be Cool" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:29:53 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Introduction + > >I would say so, yes. > >Mark E in Seattle > > > What I meant was that it should be clear that this is just my opinion. > > -Fred > So sorry. My mistake. Thank you for clarifying. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:04:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A duck, a hawk, an owl, & an eagle...(njc) > This isn't the first time I have had a weird bird experience. The first time after his death that I went back to the town my late partner Edward grew up in was, needless to say, an emotional experience for me. Eddy's family had accepted me as one of their own almost from the start. His mother once told me that she loved me the first time she saw me. So I knew I would have to go back to this little town in southeastern Montana at some point, painful as I knew it would be. There is a state park about 10 miles south of this town called Medicine Rocks. It is an ancient river bed that from a distance looks like it might be a Flintstone's theme park or maybe the ruins of an ancient stone city. There are large outcroppings of soft sandstone jutting up all over a large section of land. Some of these are fairly small. Others tower up to two or three stories above the ground. Most of them are dotted with holes, some that go all the way through the rock forming arches and tunnels. This makes many of the rocks look like gigantic chunks of brownish Swiss cheese. There are pine trees and grass growing amongst the rocks giving the impression of gardens between ancient buildings. The stone is soft enough that it can easily be cut in to. There is graffiti in many places carved into the rocks. The name Medicine Rocks implies a place of healing and the locals say the place was sacred to the Native Americans that lived in this part of the country. It was one of Edward's favorite places and we always went there whenever we were visiting his family. On this first visit to Baker Montana without Edward, I had to go to Medicine Rocks. It was just one of those things that I knew I had to do and do alone. So one hot afternoon I took off by myself down the highway leading south out of Baker. Except for one curve just as you leave the town, this road runs straight as an arrow for about 20 miles to the next town. The land is not mountainous, like in western Montana, but it is not flat either and has a peculiar beauty that is all its own. The road runs up & down rolling hills and the terrain is often broken by the buttes that rear themselves up out of the ground. The bands of varying color in these buttes, exposed by untold ages of erosive wind & water, show the various types of rock that eons of time have laid down to form this land. They are almost all invariably topped by a reddish rock called skorio that is used as gravel on many back roads in this part of the world. Rainfall is unpredictable here so the grass that covers most of the land is usually brown. This particular summer had been preceded by a fairly wet spring, however, and the grass was green, even on the tops of the buttes. There was yellow sweet clover blooming in many fields, turning the green to a yellow haze. When I got to Medicine Rocks, I drove towards the back of the park, looking for a certain place that I was afraid I might not be able to find. I parked and got out, wandering between the rocks and not finding what I was looking for. I went back to the car and something told me to climb the hill I was parked next to and explore the other side. Once over the hill, I got my bearings and seemed to know instinctively where I needed to go. I found the place where the rock arches over head forming a sheltered hollow & looked up, wondering if what I was looking for would still be there. Sure enough, among many other names & dates carved in the rock I say 'Mark -n- Eddy '85' about 10 feet up on the wall. Edward had climbed part of the way up and made these marks the first time he had brought me to Medicine Rocks. I stayed in this natural alcove for some time, looking at our names & thinking about Eddy. At some point it started to rain. The place was sheltered enough that I didn't get wet at all and the squall was very brief. It didn't seem like a random occurrence. I could sense that I was not really alone. I knew all along that I hadn't been. After awhile I left this spot and began to wander, climbing the rocks and making my way to places in the park that I hadn't been before. At some point as I stood looking into the distance from the top of one of the rocks I saw a large bird circling over the fields to the west. At first this bird was too far away to tell what kind of bird it might be. But as I watched, it began to move closer & closer and I could see that it was a very large bird. It had to be an eagle. It continued making circles in the sky but came closer & closer. Finally it was right overhead and was flying round and round directly over me. I stood looking up with a sense of profound awe and a voice from somewhere seemed to be whispering words of comfort and reassurance to me. After circling directly over me for a minute or so, the bird moved on and I was left with the overwhelming certainty that a message had been sent specifically to me. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:13:38 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + Hi Mark, It was just my way of saying "IMHO," which always seems to be a given, and, to be frank, no one's opinion, including mine, is very humble anyway. Still, I grow weary of the disclaimers, so I made up one of my own. Best, Fred In a message dated 4/27/02 11:30:06 AM, mark.travis@gte.net writes: >> >I would say so, yes. >> >Mark E in Seattle >> > >> What I meant was that it should be clear that this is just my opinion. >> -Fred > >So sorry. My mistake. Thank you for clarifying. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:46:31 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Lisa Lopes, Left Eye Left Eye, Lisa Lopes, of TLC died yesterday, and she was one of the authors of a song that has always meant a great deal to me, and means a lot to me right now, "Waterfalls." Back when I worked in foster care, this song came out, 1994-95, and it was so so good to have three strong women (the members of TLC) sing about not letting yourself be a victim to the crack epidemic, and that support was in looking to the people who have loved you over the course of your life, as opposed to being seduced by the friends and easy sex that were/are rampant in the crack/drug scene. This was a song that meant a lot to the kids, since they could see the words of the song made real in the lives of their parent(s) and adults that they knew - which is why the kids were in foster care. It is also the first top ten song that I can recall that spoke about HIV and AIDS - even if the words are never mentioned, but HIV is what is referred to the line about "3 letters." Now someone may demur and say that Left Eye's life was often out of control, and it sometimes was. That she knew from the inside what she was singing about doesn't change the value of the message, perhaps only makes it more poignant. The last time that TLC was together that I know was at last August's MTV Video Awards and they did a very strong performance of Waterfalls... and it has special significance for me now more than ever since someone that I care for deeply is living out the sing from the inside. Linda, I think this song could be done in a folk style on a Spanish guitar, arranged to be a slower number the way James Taylor redid "Handyman" and could be that bridge between R&B and folk that we talked about, as well as serve as a song about you know who and me. Left Eye, for all the bizarre places that your life sometimes took you, and for all the things that peopple said are are now saying about you, you had guts, and you always held your head up high and kept moving on without letting yourself succumb. No one every thought you'd die in an auto accident -- way too young, but you left us a legacy in words and song that shall live. Rest Eternal grant Lisa, O Lord, and let light perpetual shine upon her. (the Rev) Vince "Waterfalls" A lonely mother gazing out of her window Staring at a son that she just can't touch If at any time he's in a jam She'll be by his side But he doesn't realize he hurts her so much But all the praying just ain't helping At all 'cause he can't seem to keep His self out of trouble So he goes out and he makes his money The best way he knows how Another body laying cold in the gutter Listen to me [Chorus] Don't go chasing waterfalls Please stick to the rivers and lakes that you're used to I know that you're gonna have it your way Or nothing at all But I think you're moving too fast Little precious has a natural obsession For temptation but he just can't see She gives him loving that his body can't handle But all he can say is baby it's good to me One day he goes and takes a glimpse In the mirror But he doesn't recognize his own face His health is fading and he doesn't know why 3 letters took him to his final resting place Y'all don't hear me [Chorus] Don't go chasing waterfalls Please stick to the rivers and lakes that you're used to I know that you're gonna have it your way Or nothing at all But I think you're moving too fast I seen a rainbow yesterday But too many storms have come and gone Leavin' a trace of not one God-given ray Is it because my life is ten shades of gray I pray all ten fade away Seldom praise Him for the sunny days And like His promise is true Only my faith can undo The many chances I blew To bring my life to anew Clear blue and unconditional skies Have dried the tears from my eyes No more lonely cries My only bleedin' hope Is for the folk who can't cope With such an endurin' pain That it keeps 'em in the pourin' rain Who's to blame For tootin' caine in your own vein What a shame You shoot and aim for someone else's brain You claim the insane And name this day in time For fallin' prey to crime I say the system got you victim to your own mind Dreams are hopeless aspirations In hopes of comin' true Believe in yourself The rest is up to me and you [Chorus] Don't go chasing waterfalls Please stick to the rivers and lakes that you're used to I know that you're gonna have it your way Or nothing at all But I think you're moving too fast ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:53:48 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering I just listened to Shades again, and there is something disturbing about the mix, but I don't think it's the bass. I think that Joni's vocals are mixed too softly, especially on the first verse. Particularly coming off the heels of Don't Interupt...where her vocals are right up front and the percussive nature of the instruments makes the sound jump out of the speaker. Now, does anyone notice a static noise in Car On a Hill during the doppler-effect break in the middle of the song. I've listened on many different systems, and I always seem to pick up an overload at one point that turns to static. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:25:33 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: spanish guitar njc Origin. The modern guitar has it's roots in Spain..although I haven't heard the term in years...."spanish guitar" used to be used to refer to the regular steel string acoustic guitar. Not very succinct, since classical and flamenco nylon string guitars are also widely identified with Spain. Maybe that's why the term "acoustic guitar" replaced it. Come to think of it, "acoustic guitar" isn't very desciptive either, since all non electric guitars are acousticly amplifed. "Steel string" is probably a better term. The old guitar manuals (my first was a Nick Manoloff) all had titles like "How To Play The Spanish Guitar". It has fallen out of use, at least on this side of the pond. Where did you hear it? "Spanish tuning" is another name for the modern, standard guitar tuning. RR colin wrote: > what nakes a Spanish guitar Spanish? Is it the shape? The strings? The > way it is tuned or the way it is played? > I love the sound of it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:50:25 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Jimmy Page and Joni Obscure Joni reference #4957 (From the Zeppelin bio "Stairway to Heaven"): "And then there was Jimmy Page, because without him there couldn't have been anything else. He's pale, prone to illness and "otherworldly" (sigh). He spends his nights at the mixing board agonizing over which solo to use while his friends fight over who gets the first fuck. He reconciles himself to humping dim groupies yet confesses that Joni Mitchell is his dream girl, only problem being he's too shy to talk to her. " http://www.nypress.com/15/17/books/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #186 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?