From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #184 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 26 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 184 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: April 26 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: April 26 [les@jmdl.com] Songs to a JJ Enright ["William" ] Re: Introduction + [FredNow@aol.com] A duck(njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Saturday night Bobfest02 njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni and Carey [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Priests and STAS [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #123 [StDoherty@aol.com] RE: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Songs to a JJ Enright [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) [colin ] JC versus (the other) [Lori in MD ] Modified 2002 [les ] Re: Introduction + [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Introduction + [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Introduction + [FredNow@aol.com] Latter-Day Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] RE: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) [Alison E ] Re: Latter-Day Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] Re: Latter-Day Joni [Lori in MD ] Re: published NJC, short ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Latter-Day Joni [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] how does joni choose her band mates? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: RE: Latter-Day Joni [Engwall57@aol.com] gay marriage - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Transcribing Joni stories ["Kakki" ] Re: Priests and STAS ["Kakki" ] Re: Transcribing Joni stories ["Kakki" ] Re: published NJC, short [colin ] Prairie Joan [Lori in MD ] Re: Joni and Carey [Les Irvin ] Re: Latter-Day Joni [colin ] Re: Saturday night Bobfest02 njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Life as a house: Joni placement [Vince Lavieri ] Susan Toney - NJC ["hell" ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: gay marriage - njc [anne@sandstrom.com] New York, New York here I come.(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: New York, New York here I come.(njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] njc - patti griffin [Jane ] Junk Music (NJC) [CoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: Junk Music (NJC) [Les Irvin ] Last Waltz and "Contempt Prior to Investigation" [BRYAN8847@aol.com] RE: New York, New York here I come.(njc) ["patrick leader" ] RE: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Songs to a JJ Enright Mia wrote; <<>> One would assume the photo was taken in NYC (just) before the release of the album in March '68, during that winter of '67/'68. If you could get access to NYC store records dating back to then you could work out the exact street, (I've had a quick search to no avail). The sign on the right says; JJ ENRIGHT TENTS COTS BLANKETS 2nd FLOOR A teddy bear? Could be - it looks like one of those furry hot water bottles albeit a tad on the large side; though what would that round knobularesque cylindrical thang be protruding? Curiouser and curiouser. As for the maternity clothes - I see what you mean here too; tho' wasn't she pregnant in '64? This would mean the photo was taken long before the release of the album, which of course is possible. Have a great weekend! Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:11:20 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + Engwall57@aol.com writes: >Regarding the "is Joni's older work more melodic" discussion, imho, the >breakup with LK and the joys/sorrows of reuniting with Kilauren have knocked >the wind out of her sails. I do not think she has yet recovered. Except that what I consider to be her older work is pre-Mingus, before even meeting Larry Klein or finding her daughter. >She has given a lot more than most in >this world. I agree. Which is why I have always been careful to stress (sometimes in these exact words), that no perceived failing in Joni's later work could ever diminish the magnitude of her achievement ... nothing can take that away from her. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 02:57:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: A duck(njc) >>For some reason, I was really curious about this duck. Now I know where he was going. Victor<< Where was the duck going going Victor? Makes me think about Tony Soprano & his ducks...but I digress... I liked what you wrote about Ashville...it really really seems to suit you so perfectly...maybe getting that job was only meant to be a temporary thing to get you to move there & now that you are there & have your wonderful home you will find something much much better...I really believe & have experienced the old saying that when one door closes another one will open... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:45:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Saturday night Bobfest02 njc <> Rose, let's stick with the original plan...Judy's @ 7PM...Patrick, maybe we can wander over to the Lemongrass after we all get rounded up. I love Thai! Really getting excited, you guys...or do I say "youse guys"? ;~) Bob NP: Cornelius, "Drop" (this is a totally mesmerizing soundscape of a record!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:48:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carey <> Dare I suggest it? Les, would it make sense to have a breakout page in the "articles" section (or the 'today in history' section) where these wonderful Joni stories/song intro's are compiled? I've transcribed one or two, and there are plenty more. Let's tawk! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:57:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Priests and STAS <> Hi Mia, and a belated welcome to you!! The photographer, Mark Roth, was interviewed by Wally Breese in 1997. I read the interview a long time ago, so I don't recall if he answered these questions specifically, but it's a great read, I DO remember that: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Roth98.html Hopefully this won't discourage the thread/discussion, but rather help to flesh it out a bit. Also, I wanted to say that your comment about The Priest in reference to her marriage to Chuck was very astute. I never thought about that but it certainly works. Now that you've used your voice here, keep it up! Bob NP: Cornelius, "Bird Watching at Inner Forest" PS: As synchronicity would have it, I have a box of very cool stuff heading your way this very day! ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:00:44 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #123 I've been a Joni fan since 1971 ... and just this week watch Painting with Words and Music. What a treat. I do wonder why she chose this setting for her Rock and Roll Hall of Fame award to be presented. Any ideas? Also I've been lurking for three years now .. with an occasional post here and there. I have to say the last week or so of post have been very interesting. I've always wished I could join in on some of these header conversations ... looking and longing on the sly. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 8:25:39 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) > >>For some reason, I was really curious about this duck. Now I know where > he was going. Victor<< > > Where was the duck going going Victor? Makes me think about Tony Soprano & > his ducks...but I digress... I think now that it was really a premonition that I should leave this place(job) and sail off on my own..."sail right out of here" because for some funny reason, it really did make a big impression on me at the time, but I didn't have a clue as to why...I only knew that something about this duck really struck me and seemed unusual. This isn't the first time I have had a weird bird experience. Two years ago I was warned by a bird that my dog was going to be hit by a car. I was sitting on in the backyard with my then roommates, drinking some beers and reading, talking and suddenly this bird came out of nowhere and just slammed into my chair. The bird lay still stunned and did not move. I found a little twig and tried lightly poking the bird and he did not respond. He must have lain, not moving, for over a whole minute, which seemed like a long time. Then he suddenly got up and flew off into the sky, disappearing into the heavens. That night my dog Andy got out and was almost instantly hit by a car. I went outside and found him lying on the street and he did not move. He was still alive but barely. I lifted him up and we put him in a car and my roommate drove to the emergency clinic. He died on the way. I have no doubt in my mind that this bird was trying to let me know what was going happen. I think there are always signs like this if you look for them. I don't think you are necessarily going to know at the time what it means and I don't think that is really the intention( ie. to give you a chance to prevent something from happening) but rather a way of letting you know afterwards that it is okay, that it is all in sync with the universe, and to perhaps make it easier to accept some things that you really want to question why? I guess that brings up the question, are things predestined to happen and I think in a way that we cannot really comprehend, everything is woven into the web of life, which only seems to be linear to us but in actuality, time is only an illusion, a measurement like length or depth, and has no more real significance in itself than length or depth or distance from one point to another. So if you forget a moment about time, then you are left with all the things that happen to you just existing in the present moment and it is only an "optical" illusion that an event is being "predicted." At the same time, I don't think everything is necessarily carved in stone, or laid out like a train track. I think there is always an infinite number of possibilities, and that people can act in unison with the universe and the fabric of life or they can go completely against it, creating dissonance, such as someone like Mark David Chapman, who shot John Lennon. An act such as this seems to jar all of existence and rip into the fabric of life, changing the world forever. Okay, this is way too philosophical for so early in the morning... Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:27:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Introduction + FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > I agree. Which is why I have always been careful to stress (sometimes in > these exact words), that no perceived failing in Joni's later work could ever > diminish the magnitude of her achievement ... nothing can take that away from > her. > > -Fred I've agreed with Fred in all of this thread. I think he would also say (correct me if I'm wrong) that even her post Mingus work as a whole stands well above even in comparison to the work of those 30 years her junior. Jerry np: Prince - ACOY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Songs to a JJ Enright > << been > driving me crazy for years! Does anyone know when and where this picture was > taken? And what is she holding in her arms? It almost looks like a teddy > bear. And could those be maternity clothes?>>> > I've always assumed it was taken in NYC also. It was taken by Mark Roth. I've always thought she was wearing maternity clothes too. And it does look like a teddy bear to me. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:32:58 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) > So if you forget a moment about time, then you are left with > all the things that happen to you just existing in the present moment and > it is only an "optical" illusion that an event is being "predicted." > Like you, i do not think that we are predestined for anything. Everything is a choice. BUT I do think things are presented to us by a 'guiding hand' so to speak. I don't believe in coincidence. These things can be put in our path and we can either take them or leave them. Two things come to mind; 21 years ago, I was living with a family, a single mother and her childen. i slpet in the lounge. I rarely went out on my own. July 7th 81 I had planned to go out with Pili to the cinema. When she got home from work, she had a migraine and didn't wnat to go. Instead of doing what i would have normally done, stay in, I went out anyway. I went to a bar, also unusual. There I met John and we have been together ever since. i think that was 'meant to be' for us both but we could have not followed thru. so choice is still there. the second(tho there are many) is this house we now live in. I came up here to look at a stud dog. I happeneded to notice the house prices and realised we could afford to live here and not too far from london, where John works. So we came up to view a house 12 iles away from this one. On the way, I decided to pull off the road into this town and I stopped at the first estate Agent I saw. this house we are in was on their list. We continued to the origianl house, which we hated staright away and we came back to here and bought this one after 5 mins viewing. Not only is this house better for the trains ervice but the other place is in a town with high crime due to high drug problem. Prediction are not about destiny,I think. It has something to do with space/time and when a prediction is made and it jappens, it is like the 'video tape' of our life has been FF and the incidennt is seen. There is someone on this list that has seen this work. I described to them a person they had not yet met(in deatil)and how they would form a good relationship with them and also how there work situation would alter dramatically but that they would find themselves in a good positon again very soon. It all came to be. However, it was still down to choice. My 'seeing' was not what made it happen. i was just able to see what would happen, regardless of me. Oh anfd the seeing wasn't asked for. It just comes in response to distress. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 07:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: JC versus (the other) Is it just me, or has there really been more JC than NJC here of late? Lovin' it, Lori ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:08:28 -0400 From: les Subject: Modified 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:11:21 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + In a message dated 4/26/02 7:27:55 AM, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: >FredNow@aol.com wrote: > >> >>I agree. Which is why I have always been careful to stress (sometimes in >>these exact words), that no perceived failing in Joni's later work could ever >>diminish the magnitude of her achievement ... nothing can take that away from >>her. > >I've agreed with Fred in all of this thread. I think he would also say >(correct me if I'm wrong) that even her post Mingus work as a whole stands well >above even in comparison to the work of those 30 years her junior. I would modify that to " **some** of her post Mingus work." And I would further modify to "stands well above in comparison to the work of **most** of those 30 years her junior." Although not 30 years her junior, the two exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I qualify this as just my opinion? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:42:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Introduction + FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > > I would modify that to " **some** of her post Mingus work." And I would > further modify to "stands well above in comparison to the work of **most** of > those 30 years her junior." Although not 30 years her junior, the two > exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is > better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I > qualify this as just my opinion? > > -Fred And maybe Ani. And from the way Shawn speaks of Joni, especially Night Ride Home, even she might not agree. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:48:55 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + In a message dated 4/26/02 11:43:01 AM, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: >FredNow@aol.com wrote: > >> I would modify that to " **some** of her post Mingus work." And I would >> further modify to "stands well above in comparison to the work of **most** of >> those 30 years her junior." Although not 30 years her junior, the two >> exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is >> better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I >> qualify this as just my opinion? > >And maybe Ani. And from the way Shawn speaks of Joni, especially Night >Ride Home, even she might not agree. The little I've heard of Ani's didn't do much for me musically. And Shawn is too humble. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 12:53:01 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Latter-Day Joni Just out of curiosity, I would be interested in knowing which song selections off of post-HOSL recordings do people find especially noteworthy or just plain listenable? My list is as follows: The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey The Moon at the Window (hate to say it, but I couldn't get into the "happy" songs on WTRF) Ladies Man Man to Man Impossible Dreamer Shiny Toys Lucky Girl Secret Place Lakota Cherokee Louise Two Grey Rooms The Only Joy in Town Come in From the Cold Magdalene Laundries (I haven't acquired TI yet, so I only know this song from Misses) Sex Kills Harlem in Havana Lead Balloon Man From Mars I like a lot of her other material on these CD's, but these are the songs that stick in my mind. How about everyone else? [Joke: How many Richmonders does it take to change a light bulb? One to change it, six to talk about how much better the old one was.} Regards, Ruthie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:07:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: RE: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) that's funny...more bird stories. i work in a small town north of slc, on the north-eastern edge of the great salt lake. there's an amazing bird refuge north of here (anyone read Terry Tempest Williams book Refuge?) anyhow, i was driving to work and a large group of white birds caught my eye, off the side of the freeway in a large pond/swamp thing, was a huge group of pelicans! i saw them for two days in a row, but they weren't there this morning. i'm not sure if there was any significance to it, but it sure was nice to see them, so out of place, hanging out by the freeway. now i will be more on the lookout for stilts, grebes, harriers, hawks, bald eagles, egrets, loons, and on and on...many of which will disperse throughout the hemisphere when they leave the refuge. alison e. in slc - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > >>For some reason, I was really curious about this > duck. Now I know where > > he was going. Victor<< > > Okay, this is way too philosophical for so early in > the morning... > > Victor Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:11:49 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: Latter-Day Joni Oops - I should have said post-DJRD, not HOSL. I loved Hejira and DJRD unreservedly! Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Latter-Day Joni Ruthie, I notice that your list doesn't include anything from Hejira. That's interesting ... what is your opinion of that album? Off the top of my head, noteworthy/listenable post-HOSL songs include: Amelia Blue Motel Room Hejira Refuge Of The Roads Cotton Avenue Paprika Plains Off Night Backstreet The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines God Must Be A Boogie Man Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody Be Cool Moon At The Window Ladies' Man Man To Man Good Friends Shiny Toys Lucky Girl Impossible Dreamer Cool Water A Bird That Whistles Nothing Can Be Done The Windfall (Everything For Nothing) Two Grey Rooms How Do You Stop [I know Hartman and Midnight wrote it, but Joni does it so well] Man From Mars Lead Balloon At Last [again not Joni's, but it's great] Both Sides Now [from BSN] > [Joke: How many Richmonders does it take to change a light bulb? One to > change it, six to talk about how much better the old one was.} Ruthie, that's very funny (especially to a "Yankee" in Maryland)! Lori in MD/DC ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: published NJC, short Congratulations, Colin! It's great to see you getting some recognition for your interests and talents. You rock. All the best, Lama Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:38:55 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: RE: Latter-Day Joni For me from her most recent work (post DJRD) the following are essential cuts. Chair in the Sky Love Impossible Dreamer Lakota (preferably the live version) Passion Play Slouching toward Bethlehem Two Grey Rooms Sunny Sunday The Magdalene Launderies Yvette in English Man from Mars Love Puts on a New Face Stay in Touch Facelift A Case of You ( off BSN because it is probably the most divine piece of music ever to be borne on the wind since the world began.....If the first sound to be created on a brand new world anywhere in the multiverse were to be anything, it'd have to be this version of this song.....So that it would act as the sonic reference point for all other utterances, the sound of the wind, the call of the first creatures.....Did I mention that I really like this song.) Les (losing it.) notmimh (now occuring to me in my head) - Friday.....I now realise why it's called friday, cause by this point in the goddam week, I am completely fried. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:44:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: how does joni choose her band mates? You mean does she recite "ee-nie mee-nie mine-ie mo?" I don't think so. You don't pick Shorter and Hancock and Blade by accident. In the olde days though, it seemed like she worked with people close by, like conscripting Stills to play bass. (As Jerry Seinfeld, "Not that there's anything wrooooong with that.") She's said that since she loved lurrrrrved Miles! Davis, she purposely hunted down folks who produced that sound for him. If I recall, she once said that she has worked with everyone who was on "Kind Of Blue" in particular. Good question, but could we please get back to gay marriage? Ever the instigator, Lama Mags wondered: >>I was wondering if anyone knows how Joni chooses her band mates?>> Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering Blasphemer! Heretic! Off with her head! Gees Anne, you beat cancer TWICE only to be killed by YOUR FRIENDS! :) Well, hmmm. I'm conflicted about discussing this. On the one hand, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" is a desert island disc to me. I wouldn't change a metaphorical hair on it's amazingly wide-ranging-stylistic and lyrically-deep head. I'm mean, I'm afraid that lightning will strike me dead from a clear sky just to ponder this. But..... To me, the piano sound on "For The Roses" sounds more like David Lahm in Michael Paz'es living room. I mean, FTR sounds more realistic than any of the other albums. In that regard, I'd agree. Furthermore, while I love "Court And Spark", it sounds better in the car and coming out of a K-Mart PA than it does on premium vinyl. But there are many, many areas where the ultimate sound fidelity doesn't matter one whit, that I've grown tired of hearing myself complain about dynamics, transparency, & room sound. Can you listen to Louis Armstrong in the "Hot Fives" sessions? Of course. Would you rather listen *exclusively* to Boney James because the sound is clearer? Not me. So, for me, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" is a full glass, briming over with exquisite stuff. Ultimate fidelity isn't one of them but it's a full glass anyway. To paraphrase Fred Simon, she makes music as well as humans can make it. All the best, Lama (posting on lunch break... a first) Anne Sandstrom said, >>I was wondering if others found the 'mix' of SoSC disturbing - like the bass is too hot or something. I've always thought it could have been engineered much better than it is. (I used to think it was just a flaw on the vinyl, but I hear the same thing on the CD.)>> Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:15:11 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Latter-Day Joni Wow! I haven't even listened to the BSN CD yet! You have me convinced that I need to. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:20:47 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: gay marriage - njc "Ever the instigator" Lama writes: << could we please get back to gay marriage? >> Or better yet, maybe we could talk about how straights continue to trivialize gay issues, especially issues that have to do with gay relationships. --Bob, hoping to make a point without starting a flame war ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:43:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Transcribing Joni stories Bob, I was thinking about how there are maybe of them in the early days (and they are easier to hear, too, in the smaller venues). Her stories from the more recent concerts tend to be duplicated somewhat in each city/venue (but they are still good). Which stories have you transcribed and are they anywhere on the JMDL website? (Don't want to duplicate your work! ;-) Kakki > Dare I suggest it? Les, would it make sense to have a breakout page in the > "articles" section (or the 'today in history' section) where these wonderful > Joni stories/song intro's are compiled? I've transcribed one or two, and > there are plenty more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:48:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Priests and STAS Welcome to the list, Mia! Your take on the "Priest Song" is great and the first time I've heard it connected to the situation with Joni and Chuck. It totally makes sense to me, too! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 11:50:55 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Transcribing Joni stories oops, maybe *more* of them in the early days > I was thinking about how there are maybe of them in the early days Have a great time in New York, Bob and the gang! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:56:09 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: published NJC, short Thank you Jim. Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Congratulations, Colin! It's great to see you getting > some recognition for your interests and talents. You > rock. > > All the best, > > Lama > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:55:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Prairie Joan I just finished typing an interesting article about Joni, which Les will add to the JMDL Library soon. This 1990 piece is titled, "On Being A Flatlander," and here's an excerpt which fans of Paprika Plains should find interesting (I did, anyway): __________ Similarly, she recalls a Winnepeg coffeehouse during which the audience cleared out in mid-performance when the skies exploded in a cloudburst. The plains, she laughs. The only place where Ive been upstaged by the rain. But I understand. When you are of the prairies, you know that theres something very natural about that. __________ Lori in MD npimh: "Back in my hometown They would have cleared the floor Just to watch the rain come down They're such sky oriented people Geared to changing weather" ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:48:49 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni and Carey At 4/26/2002 05:48 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Dare I suggest it? Les, would it make sense to have a breakout page in the >"articles" section (or the 'today in history' section) where these wonderful >Joni stories/song intro's are compiled? I've transcribed one or two, and >there are plenty more. I'd love to feature a section devoted to these stories on the site. Anyone interested in heading up the project? Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:08:03 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Latter-Day Joni After hejira; Talk to Me Dreamland The Tenth World(is that what it is called?) Chinese Cafe Tax Free Good Friends Three Great Stimulants Lakota Nothing Can Be Done NRH Slouching Toward Behtlehem Come in From The Cold Passion Play Sex Kills Magdelene Laudries Jobs sad song Not To Blame Borderline Harlem In Havana No Apologies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:56:26 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Saturday night Bobfest02 njc In a message dated 4/26/02 7:45:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > Rose, let's stick with the original plan...Judy's @ 7PM...Patrick, maybe we > can wander over to the Lemongrass after we all get rounded up. I love Thai! > > Really getting excited, you guys...or do I say "youse guys"? ;~) > > Bob > > Sounds like a plan, Saturday night, 7PM it is then at Judy's Chelsea, 169 8th Avenue, between 18th & 19 Streets. tel. phone#212-929-5410. If those of you have cell phone#'s, please forward them along. The Lemongrass Grill: the restaurant is 'lemongrass grill' on avenue a, just below 4th street. rose in NJ NP: Terri Hendrix, Consider Me Love her new CD Ring! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:10:10 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Life as a house: Joni placement I had what was rather quickly scheduled neo-emergency dental surgery today, that ripped teeth out of my jaw, or at least one tooth but does it damn hurt and if I didn't have prescriptions for both Darvocet and Vicodin to beat back the pain I wouldn't be able to stop screaming long enough to type the following: I am sure this has been covered before, I faintly remember it, but, in that I am confined to home tonight, I rented a bunch of dvds including the Kevin Klein movie, Life as a House, and lo and behold right in the middle of the movie is our Joni singing Clouds from BSN! Oh, did that sound lovely! The movie is ok,was wishing it was more fulfiling of its promise, great concept bur things are getting resolved too easily, but wow, was it nice to hear Joni so unexpectedly! And as I am popping pills all through this movie, it is interesting that the characters are likewise downing drugs right and left, and even more, the same drugs as me! Talk about product placement for Darvocet and Vicodin! But I digress... I have never heard Joni used more effectively in a movie - that BSN version of Clouds just leaps right out at you and grabs you, the director did it well, prior to Joni there was total silence other than dialogue for a few minutes and then all of a sudden, Joni is heard -- it was really a pleasant surprise, and very beautiful. The sax solo, it never sounded lovelier. Just so evocative! I am about 3/4 of the way through the movie and still have yet to see the big finish, taking a packing my mouth with ice to stem the bleeding and swelling break, and the sounds of Joni are still wafting through my dazed and addled and empty little head. Oh, I also have to eat cold things today to keep the swelling down and tried today for the fikrst time ever an ice-cream type thing made from soy milk, called Organic Soy, I got the chocolate fudge flavor (with carob, not chocolate) and damn this stuff is tasty! Never would have thought! Bleeding gums and a mouth of ice and pain, organic soy milk frozen concoction and Vicodin and Darvocet and Joni - does life get any better than this? Those folks in NYC for the Bob Fest have nothing on me! (the Rev) Vince PS Have a great time, Bob and everyone!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:15:31 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Susan Toney - NJC While looking for something online the other day (totally unrelated) I discovered this artist, and wondered if anyone's heard of her? From: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/toney.html "Susan Toney's soul-stirring mix of rock, pop, folk, and blues is an intimate, poetic journey to the deep recesses of the heart and the soul. Toney discovered piano, guitar and the transcendent power of music at age two. After studying music formally, she bucked the lessons and family pressures, setting out to forge her own artistic identity. "I held on to my spirit like a wild stallion, refusing to be broken," she says. "My voice as an artist became a light to question fear, doubt, authority, and in the process find my own honesty, hope and faith." Strange Child is a winding road of mesmerizing songcraft that sounds both timeless and original. Toney's impassioned vocals yearn and plead with a raw emotion and edgy intensity, conspiring with the lucid awareness of her lyrics to touch the listener in the deeply personal ways that female singer-songwriter icons Carole King, Janis Ian and Joni Mitchell viscerally connected with their audiences. In "Carolina", she sings: "This journey's deep as it is long/ Weave my heart my soul my songs/ Out of pieces make me whole and strong". Toney's quest is our own too, and even when dreams are tarnished by reality, there'still room for hope, trust, and love. Toney enlists an A-list lineup of session players to complement her acoustic work on her 812-C: guitarists Jeff Pevar (David Crosby) and Greg Leisz (k.d. lang), bassist/ co-producer Chad Watson (Janis Ian), percussionist/vocalist Arno Lucas (Al Jarreau, Rickie Lee Jones), and keyboardist Skip Edwards (Dwight Yoakam). The rootsy, atmospheric swaths of electric guitar, pedal steel, dobro and Hammond B3 call to mind the sonic moods of Daniel Lanois, and make Toney's music even more emotionally palpable." She sounds interesting, and the short clips I heard also sounded good - and that's quite a talented bunch of session players! Hell P.S. I'm still annoyed by the phrase "FEMALE singer-songwriter", though! Same old story - aren't they good enough to compete with the boys?! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:19:53 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering > Blasphemer! Heretic! Off with her head! > > Gees Anne, you beat cancer TWICE only to be killed by > YOUR FRIENDS! :) ROTFLMAO!!! Best laugh I've had all day :-) I guess the ol' ears are going too... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: gay marriage - njc > Or better yet, maybe we could talk about how straights continue to trivialize > gay issues, especially issues that have to do with gay relationships. > Well, not all straights, of course. But I was really steamed last night when someone on a local progam on public tv said he thought the problems in the Catholic Church (they were specifically talking about the Boston archdiocese) were due to homosexuality and not pedophilia. I just about put my foot through the TV!!! Clearly this guy needs a dictionary - but a lobotomy might not be a bad idea - then again, he's probably already had at least a partial one... Anyway, I believe (for what it's worth) that marriage is a contract and that legally a contract can be entered into by two consenting adults. Period. And, btw, I think that we (everyone) tend to overlook the legal aspects of marriage going in, but get hit in the face with them when trying to get out of a marriage. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:29:30 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: New York, New York here I come.(njc) Due to crazy nature of this week I have misplaced my mind and booked a flight to New York City. It just felt like the place I should be, something exciting and different, where I can gather my thoughts and figure out what all of this means. I have really appreciated all the support I have been given and sometimes I have felt fine and ready to move on and then other times I have been filled with an immense sadness as I became really really attached to the two young women I was mainly working with...I actually had never felt better before in any other job, it was perfect really and everything felt so good. To be suddenly removed from that and basically having the door closed in my face as I showed up to work is very difficult to handle and I felt that I really need to be with my jmdl friends. My flight leaves Greenville at 12:10 and arrives at LaGuardia at 1:59 tomorrow. I leave New York at 4:30 on Tuesday. I would love to hook up with anyone tomorrow afternoon who is free...otherwise, I just plan on doing some exploring. I need a place to stay, if anyone has any couch space please email me tonight. excited,Victor --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:35:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Introduction + Although not 30 years her junior, the two > exceptions to this are Shawn Colvin and Jonatha Brooke; their best work is > better than most of post-Mingus Joni, and stands up to her own best. Need I > qualify this as just my opinion? > > -Fred > I would say so, yes. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:44:11 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: New York, New York here I come.(njc) In a message dated 4/26/02 8:31:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > and I felt that I really > need to be with my jmdl friends. and all will be fine with a little help from your friends. I think you've got a place to crash man. rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jane Subject: njc - patti griffin hi folks just chiming in with kate's enthusiastic review of 1000 kisses, the new cd from patty griffin. I love it too kate, just as I loved "Living with Ghosts" immediately. Kate, you might want to give "Flaming Red" another listen, if only for "Tony" and another song whose title I cannot recall, about Patti's grandmother. they're both beautiful, though overall I do not care so much for that cd. does Patti tour much? I live in birmingham, al, never heard of her visiting us. I saw her in Sedona AZ at a Jackson Browne hosted benefit concert a couple of years ago. And when I saw Jackson here two years ago, prior to his concert, patti's "Living with Ghosts" cd was played in its entirety during set-up. I was hooked! a random question from this lurker: what do y'all recommend as the best cd burning software? I know this has been discussed before but I paid no attention (sorry!); however, now I have a new computer and wish to learn. thanks! I just discovered NRH. If you love it too, you'll understand my enthusiasm...can't believe I missed this one the first time around. bye y'all Jane Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 22:39:32 EDT From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Junk Music (NJC) This afternoon, riding the Amtrak Pacific Surfliner from San Diego, I was befriended by a younger man with a bottle of wine and a CD player. His CD player had one of those outlets allowing two people to listen to the same CD. After some charitable conversation, we both took off our individual earphones so he could play me a CD a friend of his burned earlier. A song came on he claimed was the "coolest" Buffalo Springfield song he had heard. I told him it was actually a song by the Monkees. I can't recall the name of this "gem," but it did take me back to 4th grade fandom and Bobby Wright's bedroom in 1967ish. The chorus had a line like, "shades of gray," sung very interestingly. I listened again, and realized the song, standing by itself, untarnished by the knowledge the original boy band morphed it, wasn't that bad. BS? Naw, but sure made me listen to the junk music I've since written off a little bit differently. By the way, on this same voyage, I reaffirmed my love for the Pure Prairie League. Lordy, it's been a while since I listened to them! What's you gonna do? Happy weekend to all --- No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:00:27 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Junk Music (NJC) At 4/26/2002 08:39 PM, CoyoteRick@aol.com wrote: >A song came on he claimed was the "coolest" Buffalo Springfield song he had >heard. I told him it was actually a song by the Monkees. I can't recall the >name of this "gem," but it did take me back to 4th grade fandom and Bobby >Wright's bedroom in 1967ish. The chorus had a line like, "shades of gray," >sung very interestingly. Must have been the song actually titled "Shades of Gray" from the "Headquarters" album. The first album I ever bought! Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:20:55 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Last Waltz and "Contempt Prior to Investigation" A quick report -- I saw The Last Waltz last night -- what a treat. Lots of great performances (and Neil Diamond, just kidding, he sounded fine), interwoven with interviews of a very stoned Robbie Robertson and other very stoned Band members. Joni looked stunningly lovely, with flawless skin and stick-straight hair. She also seemed somewhat uncomfortable on the stage, especially during the all-star rendition of I Shall Be Released. Van Morrison (wow, what a voice) really belted his song and was actually kind of sexy. See this film if you can. I'm a little disheartened by reports of advance disdain for the upcoming collection (simply because it will not consist of new compositions). I await it with fond and cheerful anticipation. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:37:26 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: New York, New York here I come.(njc) i had dinner with the mueller, and steve and rusty this evening. all looking forward to meeting at judy's chelsea tomorrow night. i asked bob why he was in new york, business or what? he said, that post 9/11 (which we were talking about earlier) he was thinking a lot about things he hadn't done, wanted to make sure and do. new york was one. it sounds like you've had a similiar urge, victor, and this is most certainly a good thing. new york still really is the best city in the world. patrick, just back from berlin np - vaughn williams - the lark ascending >excited,Victor --- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:37:25 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: njc - cd burn software and night ride home hi jane: night ride home is my third favorite joni album out of the 20 or so. it's just an amazing piece of work. i'm jealous of you, just getting to know it. this is the text of an email about cd burning software from ron greer, i've saved it. haven't verified the information, haven't bought a burner yet. anyone else have something to add? patrick np - greensleeves, arr. vaughn williams Hi >>Merk54@aol.com wrote: >>I bought a new computer last night, and now have the ability to burn my own >> CD's (Yes!), but really don't know where to begin. I know this subject has & colin replied: >>colin >>I have been using Adaptec software and am happy with that. Mind you i have not >>used any othet burning software. I find it easy to use. i would imagine that your recorder would have come with some kind of software?? having tried a number of other programs, i would definitely recomend adaptec as being by far the best software for general copying use, with a nice, easy to use, intuitive interface, nice features & good results. there are however some other useful programs. exact audio copy, a free program, downloadable off the net, has some very useful features, such as noise filters, volume normalisation (esp useful on compilations where volumes may vary), equalisation, and error correction. it is unfortunately a fairly difficult program to get the hang of as the interface, and menus are not particularly well designed. nero is a program which can be purchased, and has most of the features of exact audio, plus some added features, such as the ability to split tracks. it is also more difficult to use than adaptec. i would also recomend - use decent, branded blanks. they may cost a little more, but will give you better quality copies, and less failures. - the more memory in your computer the better - when preparing a compilation, i generally find its best to copy the audio tracks to hard drive first, then to the cd. this just makes it easier to keep track of total cd time, and to make sure that you dont wind up with a multi session disc. a session consists of audio (or data) track/s, and a file table, telling the computer/hi fi where to find the tracks. while computers can read multi session discs, hi-fi equipment generally can only read the first session on a disc - this can be *very* frustrating :-) enjoy it!!!! my cd recorder was one of my best investments!!! ron > >a random question from this lurker: what do >y'all recommend as the best cd burning software? >I know this has been discussed before but I paid >no attention (sorry!); however, now I have a new >computer and wish to learn. thanks! > >I just discovered NRH. If you love it too, >you'll understand my enthusiasm...can't believe I >missed this one the first time around. > >bye y'all > >Jane >Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness >http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:53:04 -0400 From: scam1 Subject: A very humour game This is a very humour game This game is my first work. You're the first player. I hope you would enjoy it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:03:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: A duck, a hawk, an owl, etc...(njc) victor, you sound like you're in a pretty amazing place right now...inside & out...stay in it, go with it & i am sure that you will find the job that suits you...i think when your heart is in the right place, like yours is, & you keep moving your feet you will find yourself where you want to be... p.s. philosophy has saved my life so many times... colin, i liked your post on this...i agree its about those choices you mentioned...& sometimes that overwhelming nudge from the universe that helps us to choose correctly... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #184 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?