From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #183 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, April 26 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 183 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- So, you liked it then? 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: "Pornographic watches & Priests? ["Victor Johnson" ] A duck(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Introduction + [Engwall57@aol.com] Priests (NJC) [Lori in MD ] Re: Introduction + [Lori in MD ] Re: fiction or nonfiction? ["Kate Bennett" ] Shadows and Light DVD [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Introduction + [colin ] JM screen saver [Lori in MD ] Re: JM screen saver ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Priests (NJC) [colin ] Re: Introduction + [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The day after(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: The day after(njc) [dsk ] Re: Joni and Carey [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Introduction + [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Introduction + [Murphycopy@aol.com] debra? NJC [Alison E ] bobfest02 - njc ["patrick leader" ] RE: bobfest02 - njc ["katfud@earthlink.net" ] Re: bobfest02 - njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: bobfest02 - njc ["patrick leader" ] RE: RE: bobfest02 - njc ["katfud@earthlink.net" ] Re: Re: "Pornographic watches & Priests?" [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni and Carey ["Kakki" ] A duck(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Legendary Arthur Lee and Love play again! (njc) ["Kakki" ] Saturday night Bobfest02 njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Yay Patty ! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] JUDY'S CHELSEA [Dflahm@aol.com] Priests and STAS ["mia ortlieb" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:03:38 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: So, you liked it then? 100% JC Somebody's selling an LP of Joni Mitchell's exquisite "Blue" on eBay. The seller quotes Jason Ankeny who said, >>>Sad, spare, and beautiful, Blue is the quintessential confessional singer/songwriter album. Forthright and poetic, Mitchell's songs are raw nerves, tales of love and loss (two words with relative meaning here) etched with stunning complexity; even tracks like "All I Want," "My Old Man," and "Carey"  the brightest, most hopeful moments on the record  are darkened by bittersweet moments of sorrow and loneliness. At the same time that songs like "Little Green" (about a child given up for adoption) and the title cut (a hymn to salvation supposedly penned for James Taylor) raise the stakes of confessional folk-pop to new levels of honesty and openness, Mitchell's music moves beyond the constraints of acoustic folk into more intricate and diverse territory, setting the stage for the experimentation of her later work. Unrivaled in its intensity and insight, Blue remains a watershed.>>> No reason to think this particular copy is any different from any other. I just liked the quote. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:14:15 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: acoustic vs synths,(njc now toto) was Re: Revisiting Taming The Tiger/synths, etc. Oh boy, here we go. Fred Simon said, >>But sound, and the emotional/musical effect of sound, is made of information ... lots and lots of information, and the finer the resolution of the expression of that information, the deeper the emotional content of what is imparted. A synth's chips can hold only so much, and the sheer amount of nuance present in, say, ten seconds of a real acoustic or electric guitar performance would quickly fill up and overflow even the largest ROM/RAM blocks in the most high-end synth.>> I remember being amazed, AMAZED at how much more detailed my first (and last) guitar sounded than recordings of much finer instruments did on my home stereo. Too bad I couldn't play. heh heh I have to laugh to keep from crying. Lama "I am La Tuneless. Pity me." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:16:41 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: April 25 On April 25 in history: 1969: Joni headlines at New York City's Fillmore East tonight, performing two shows at 8 and 11:30 PM. Also on the bill are Taj Mahal and the Joshua Light Show. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:16:41 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: April 25 On April 25 the following item was published: 2000: "Joni Holliday" - Chicago Maroon (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000425cm.cfm - -------- Can you type? http://www.jmdl.com/typing/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:23:07 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: is early joni really more melodic As if she found collaborators to help carry the load? If you can hire Shorter/Hancock/Blade it must relieve the burden some. Lama Arkadia recording artist David Lahm said, >>Fred, I agree completely with your post. It seems ironic, but the more she works with jazz musicians, the less interesting her music-writing becomes. Perhaps lyrics and experiments with sonorities (instrumental sound-qualities and combinations thereof) became more important to her.>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 03:33:56 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: is early joni really more melodic Not to put too fine a point on it, Fred, but what she appears to be interested in NOW is to let someone else interpret stuff she wrote 30 years ago...... Not only didn't she not put out something new last time (not one new track) but she's so burned out that she's doing the same thing again. This new project is her first-ever sequel. And it's a sequel to "nothing new". How scary is that? Lama, off to bed before he bites the hand again..... Fred said, >>It's a really interesting question. I've put a lot of thought into it, and while I don't have it all figured out, I do think I have a few plausible answers. I'm not sure about the idea that she has become more interested in exploring sonorities, because she has always been quite involved in that, and has always excelled at it. Maybe you're right that she is now interested in that to the detriment of melody and harmony.>>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:55:21 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Priests marrying, NJC > but i really don't get it...how can people not > be horrified, how can they not see the freakin flaws of the whole situation fear and denial can be very strong. many parents don't see that the other parent is beating or moloesting their children. they do see it of course, but deny it. it is not exactly like lying-they convince themselves it is not happening.well of course it is lying but of a different nature. children convinve themselves that their abusing parent(s) is good and they are bad. protecting the self. The annihilation of self is a primitive fear in all of us and very strong. we fight like hell(not the nz one) to maintain our meaning structures. when we cannot we get sick, have nervous breakdowns which is really the collapse or our meaning structures, and the consequent threat to our self. so we have to build new meanign structures. This is not weird or unusual. we lal doit to some degree or other. Our world changes and we suffer and we have to develop a new world view. A very common example is grief over the death of a loved one-the death casues a significant alteration to our word view, our meanign structures. It changes our world. It takes time to accomodate that change in our psyche. It is also extremel;y painful, thus we fight it. We deny it, we get angry, we get very sad and then we accept it(or we get stuck at one of the first 3 stages). Accpetence in esence means we have changed our meaning structure to a new one which enables us to live again. It can take a long time and it doesn't have to be in order-ie. onecan be sad way before one is angry. This process we go thru over any sort of loss-love, jobs, friends, pets, health, childhood. When we don't go thru the process, when we get stuck in denial a multitude of problems arise. Thus we can get people applauding a criminal. Or we get people addicted to various things. If we get stuck in anger we become unpopular and maybe become criminal in our behaviour. Unfortuantely, it not simply a case of deciding you willnot let this happen. It is about knwledge. if you don't know about these things, about yourself, you cannot deal with it. Knowledge really does bring freedom. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 7:26:47 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: "Pornographic watches & Priests? > But there were some wonderful teachers (priests and nuns) and some terrible > ones. I guess all I'm saying is there are good and bad people in every walk > of life - unfortunately the good ones just don't make the news as often. > > Hell This is so true. I went to Nashville once and attended an Irish Catholic church with some friends we were visiting(who's dog had puppies on our sleeping bag but that's another story) and the priest who led the service was amazing. He really seemed like a very spiritual man, everything he said seemed to be full of compassion and wisdom. He also repeated alot of things in Spanish, through much of the service. I felt very welcome there. Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com "Roses wait for the springtime, They sleep beneath the ground. They hear March winds a callin' For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:36:14 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: start spreading the news ... MullerFest a la new york new yorrrrk In a message dated 4/24/02 11:12:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > Last call for details/ideas re: the MullerFest a la New York this > Saturday...okay folks, what's the game plan? > > talk to me. > We're all going to meet at Judy's Chelsea at 7:00 in the piano bar. There is no plan, we'll take it from there... rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:49:25 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: A duck(njc) The other day, I went and picked up some Chinese food, and took my lunch down to the river. I sat eating in silence for awhile, simply enjoying being by the river, beneath the trees, feeling the cool, spring breeze. After about ten minutes, I looked out on the river and saw a single Mallard duck, all by himself, swimming upstream against the current, beautiful green and brown feathers. I remember thinking to myself, who is this duck and where is he going? I wondered about it more that night and other days as well. For some reason, I was really curious about this duck. Now I know where he was going. Victor --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:50:1 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: A duck(njc) The other day, I went and picked up some Chinese food, and took my lunch down to the river. I sat eating in silence for awhile, simply enjoying being by the river, beneath the trees, feeling the cool, spring breeze. After about ten minutes, I looked out on the river and saw a single Mallard duck, all by himself, swimming upstream against the current, beautiful green and brown feathers. I remember thinking to myself, who is this duck and where is he going? I wondered about it more that night and other days as well. For some reason, I was really curious about this duck. Now I know where he was going. Victor --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:27:38 -0400 From: Engwall57@aol.com Subject: Introduction + Hello all! I have been lurking here for months now, and I would now like to introduce myself. My name is Ruth. I live in Richmond, VA (any fellow jimdlers in Richmond?) and I have been a Joni fan since about 1970. Like many other fans, my older sisters introduced me to her work. Like a multitude of other admirers, I viewed Joni as my own personal muse at a very important time in my life. She even appeared to me in a dream, explaining duality, although in the dream she referred to it as "twoness". I got distracted and lost touch with Joni somewhere around Mingus. I later reconnected with CMIARS and NRH. I have a couple of comments on recent discussions. First, I have always believed the inspiration behind That Song About the Midway, The Priest, and Rainy Night House was Leonard Cohen. Some of Cohen's poetry (not songs) seems to refer to Joni. He called her Saint Joan, and said she sang her songs to show us we were not yet found, or something to that effect. Also, his father was a wealthy clothing manufacturer, which could be why he was "wearing his father's tie". Regarding the "is Joni's older work more melodic" discussion, imho, the breakup with LK and the joys/sorrows of reuniting with Kilauren have knocked the wind out of her sails. I do not think she has yet recovered. Add to that her disgust with the current music scene and music industry, and I can understand why she is not doing any really groudbreaking work these days. She is, after all, human. She has given a lot more than most in this world. "Auntie Ruthie" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Priests (NJC) From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44390-2002Apr24.html: VATICAN CITY, April 24 -- After two days of private meetings with Pope John Paul II, leaders of the U.S. Roman Catholic church called for changes in church law to speed the removal of priests who molest children, but stopped short of urging a blanket "one strike you're out" policy. In a communique, the 12 American cardinals and three senior U.S. clergymen who gathered here proposed expedited procedures to defrock any priest who "has become notorious and is guilty of the serial, predatory, sexual abuse of minors." In less egregious cases, church leaders told reporters, a bishop would have discretion to seek a quickened expulsion if he felt there was a future threat to minors. ______________________ I can't say I'm surprised, but ... Goddamn it. Listening to this morning, I heard an interesting comparison from one of the abused: in the case of a bank robbery, we don't hold off prosecution to see if the perpetrator is a serial robber, or was just drunk and did it only once. It appears to me that the Pope, et al, find it acceptable for a child to be sexually abused "just once." What a bunch of fuck heads. Lori, really angry in MD ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Introduction + Ruth, welcome! Nice first post! > Regarding the "is Joni's older work more melodic" discussion, imho, > the breakup with LK and the joys/sorrows of reuniting with Kilauren > have knocked the wind out of her sails. I think you hit the proverbial nail right on its head. Looking forward to more from you, Lori in MD (near DC) ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:01:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: fiction or nonfiction? hmm, now that i think about it maybe he IS the carnival man...he did tell me that he met joni years ago in venice beach where he used to have a studio...he met her at an art opening or something...hmmm... >>Okay, if Kate won't come out and tell you, I will...its really about Jeff Bisch. He's only been pretending this whole time to be a newcomer into this whole Joni thing. Come on Jeff, confess...you're the carnival man. :~} Victor<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:14:32 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Shadows and Light DVD Barnes and Noble just shipped my Shadows and Light DVD. So for those of you who don't want to deal with the guy in Hong Kong through bay. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:25:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Introduction + Engwall57@aol.com wrote: > Hello all! I have been lurking here for months now, and I would now like to introduce myself. My name is Ruth. I live in Richmond, VA (any fellow jimdlers in Richmond?) welcome Ruthie. i used to live in Richmond(Surrey, UK) and read a lot about murder in Richmond VA via Cornwall books. ( i amm assuming that VA is Virginia?) Like you I lost touch with Joni but after Hejira and then got back in touch in 94 when i bought all her stuff. I have it all now but am not keen on a couple of them. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: JM screen saver Ken, I know it's been available for awhile, but I just downloaded and installed the JM screensaver from http://www.jmdl.com/shinytoys/icons.cfm, and it is the coolest thing ever!!! Thanks for all of your hard work on this (and everything else)! Lori in MD ~ Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:38:02 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: JM screen saver Oh goodie, I have got to get that too. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:32:49 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Priests (NJC) Lori in MD wrote: > >From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44390-2002Apr24.html: > > VATICAN CITY, April 24 -- After two days of private meetings with Pope John Paul II, leaders of the U.S. Roman Catholic church called for changes in church law to speed the removal of priests who molest children, but stopped short of urging a blanket "one strike you're out" policy. > > In a communique, the 12 American cardinals and three senior U.S. clergymen who gathered here proposed expedited procedures to defrock any priest who "has become notorious and is guilty of the serial, predatory, sexual abuse of minors." In less egregious cases, church leaders told reporters, a bishop would have discretion to seek a quickened expulsion if he felt there was a future threat to minors. > ______________________ > > I can't say I'm surprised, but ... Goddamn it. > It is appalling. Shows past victims they don't matter and shows future victims they don't care. As usual, children are not considered important enough and the interests of adults are once again put ahead of them. Not even the Church values children. What respect can the RC Church expect? None. The most sickening thing is they are supposed to represent God. Certainly not the God I believe in. They couldn't be furhter away from God if they tried. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:00:10 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + Welcome, Ruth, and thanks for coming out. Please continue to pipe in - I'm sure you have lots to say, and fresh voices are always great to hear. You said: <> And I'm a bit disgusted with her disgust. When I see folks who have been at it as long as she has (Dylan, Elvis Costello, Neil Young, Bonnie) still out there, loving it, and doing great quality work, it doesn't shed a real positive light on her. I mean, why is the marketplace suddenly an issue for her, when she's always just followed her muse and done what she wants? Anyway, I think your points about LK & Kilauren were right on, I think she uses the Music business as a punching bag for the things in her life that are screwed up. Not a diss on Joni for that, either...we all do it in our own way. Bob NP: Keb Mo, "Mommy Can I Come Home?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:17:8 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: The day after(njc) I woke up about 4 last night, unable to go back to sleep. Something has kept bothering me about this whole thing, despite that peaceful feeling I have been able to find. So today, I started writing what was going to be an application to this local, highly progressive independent bookstore, and it turned into this essay about my whole experience and how much I love Asheville and really want to stay. The more I think about it, the more this all seems very wrong, it has created unnecessary stress and trauma in my life, and I realize that I was completely mislead, and I still don't really know the extent of the damage that has been done as I struggle to maintain the harmony that I have found here, feeling great, then feeling as if I'm teetering on the edge of an abyss. Almost the same exact thing happened to me a little over a year ago in Atlanta but this time I am not intimidated and I really feel that my voice should be heard. I took my essay to the "Mountain Express", the local paper here and am hoping they will print it in next week's issue. I want people here to know the agony I have been put through which is in such stark contrast to the kindness I have been shown in this town. Asheville My name is Victor Johnson. I recently moved here from Athens, Georgia though I had previously lived in Atlanta for eight years. For several years, I felt a growing desire to leave the city and find my way to a more natural, beautiful, and spiritual environment and I was finally able to do so about a month ago. Malaprops itself actually became the catalyst that allowed me to make this move. When visiting a friend a few months ago, I applied for a job I found listed on the bulletin board, an artist seeking a personal assistant. I made a call, agreed to call back the following week, drove up (in the snow) for an interview at the Malaprops cafi, and was hired a few weeks later. I found a friend who would put me up for a couple of weeks, and I came to Asheville and began working for Haw Creek Forge. I found myself working with two women who were super nice, a pleasure to be with, and together, the three of us made what seemed to be a great team. Meanwhile, the artist herself was in and out, and making plans to move her business into a new warehouse location in Woodfin. This was to be a new beginning or rather a step towards becoming a full fledged business making and selling whimsical copper sculptures. One day I took some time to find a place to live. I visited Malaprops again, and called a really small ad on the wall, that I almost didnt call as it was very small and somewhat nondescript. But it turned out to be a wonderful apartment downtown in a rather large house with somewhat of a communal living situation. The apartment itself is a work of art with beautiful woodwork, marble, and tile work. I subsequently moved in and have been extremely happy here, and have been very grateful that I only had to make one phone call to find such an incredible place. Anyway, amidst much chaos and confusion, Haw Creek Forge, was relocated to this warehouse, shelves were built, stock put in place, plans put in order and it seemed that the business had a new life, and was slowly acclimating to this new location. I was to be in charge of shipping and keeping track of inventory and readily assumed this position, at all times, expressing the highest enthusiasm and displaying the strongest of work ethics. I was given very little direction so I took it upon myself to make every effort I could to familiarize myself with the products, and attempt to unravel what in essence was a tangled mess. I made it my priority to put all of my energy into this position, and went out of my way to promote this business to friends both here in Asheville and across the country as I have a rather large network of people I associate with. Ill avoid going into too much detail but after dealing with a few snags which I dealt with immediately as they became apparent, I found a good rhythm with the shipping and assumed that this was to be my main role. I continued to have an excellent rapport with the two women I had worked with previously. I was told I had an excellent attitude and was invited to accompany the artist to the Inman Park Arts Festival in Atlanta, Georgia this coming weekend. Plans were made and I went as far as to line up arrangements for a place to stay and strongly encouraged my friends in Atlanta to come by the booth and see these wonderful products which are truly beautiful. Yesterday, when I showed up to work, I was told very abruptly that things just werent working out, given some very small compensation, and was summarily dismissed without any fanfare. This was extremely upsetting as I made every attempt to be a stellar employee and put not only much time and energy into Haw Creek Forge but all of my heart and soul and to have that removed from my life so suddenly and impersonally was almost disturbing. I am convinced that the two young women I spoke of earlier had nothing to do with this and no knowledge of what I can only describe as a complete shock. I have received several messages of support from friends across the country and the world, and many of them said that it never ceases to amaze them, that employers who are in some state of disorganization and have poor management will hire a top notch employee, give every indication that by bringing in this new person, things will improve and gain more stability and order, then every time some glitch in the old system is exposed and uncovered, blame it on the new person, then simply discard them like one would toss a can into a recycling bin. They may go through this scenario several times and then they wonder why they cant find any good employees. I love Asheville. I moved here with every intention of making this my permanent home and intend to stay here, as it is such an enriching environment. I have been here less than a month but I have already been steadily attending open mics, two or even three times a week, each time having the most rewarding experience, both playing my own music and listening to the most wonderfully talented musicians who are also very warm and down to earth people. I have been hiking in the most beautiful forests and sat in front of breathtaking waterfalls. I know with no uncertainty that Asheville is the place for me to be. For some time now, I have been planning to begin recording my second cd and being here in Asheville has only heightened my sense of artistic wonder and creativity, surely bringing me closer to the divine path that I know I am led down. I find myself astonished daily at the kindness of people and my belief in the goodness of humanity has been strengthened immeasurably. I also have been intending to put together a new band to pay tribute to the music of the Grateful Dead and Neil Young, an ensemble which I feel will be unusual by its very nature, and very rewarding. For the first time here in this fair bohemian mountain city, it would seem that a dark shadow has fallen over me, but I am determined not to succumb to its blackness, but to persevere and to find a way where there is one. In old Buddhist teachings, it is said that when life seems very difficult and obstacles seem insurmountable, you can be very sure that there is another way. My only wish is to share and give back all the light that has been shone on me. "I will take the ring though I do not know the way," said Frodo as he began the long perilous journey to the mountain of fire. I hope to have both the strength and tenacity of Frodo as I seek another means of support. --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:49:14 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: The day after(njc) Victor Johnson wrote: > > I hope to have both the strength and tenacity of Frodo > as I seek another means of support. You've already shown that you do, Victor. Seems to me you're well on your way to turning this lousy situation into something very positive. sending you best wishes in your adventure, Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:10:23 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Carey <> LOL! Thanks for going to all the effort to type that up, Kakki. I know how much work that can be. I really enjoyed reading it. Y'know, Joni could easily go on a story-telling tour if she just wanted to sit down, light up & start yakking she could fill halls all over the world I'm sure. Yet another career possibility! ;~) Bob NP: Moby, "The sky is broken" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:45:37 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + Bob Muller writes: << I'm a bit disgusted with her disgust. When I see folks who have been at it as long as she has (Dylan, Elvis Costello, Neil Young, Bonnie) still out there, loving it, and doing great quality work, it doesn't shed a real positive light on her. >> Hmm. I was surprised to read such a provocative point of view from such a big Joni fan, Bob, but as I have been digesting these words over the last hour or so, I have to say that I am inclined to agree with you. In Joni's defense, I think that one thing the four artists you mentioned have which she seems to totally is a real love for live performance. And no matter what happens in the music world, Joni does have her box of paints to slip back into, so music isn't her sole means of expression. But you have a point, I think, about her disgust with the music business. After all the recent accolades and awards -- and after decades of worship by the likes of us! -- I would think that maybe she might have lightened up a little by now (even if the music biz itself does seem to be getting worse than ever lately). Also . . . welcome, Ruth! I enjoyed your post -- especially your insight into the Klein/Kilauren influence on Joni's creativity. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:50:35 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Introduction + I wrote: << In Joni's defense, I think that one thing the four artists you mentioned have which she seems to totally is a real love for live performance. >> But what I meant was: In Joni's defense, I think that one thing the four artists you mentioned have which she seems to totally lack is a real love for live performance. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: debra? NJC sorry for the bandwidth, all debra, i've tried to email you, but i'm not sure if you got it. if you see this, please let me know! alison e. in slc - --- dsk wrote: Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:43:57 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: bobfest02 - njc hey folks: there's a thai restaurant i love, has a huge separate room behind the fishtank, that's usually empty, only a couple of blocks from the living room. why don't we have dinner there, then see if we feel like heading over for music? the restaurant is 'lemongrass grill' on avenue a, just below 4th street. i'd say, let's show up there around 7:30 and hang a while. let me know what you all think. i can definitely put in a call tomorrow for them to expect us. patrick np - arturo o'farrill trio - a night in tunisia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:56:08 -0400 From: "katfud@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: bobfest02 - njc Sounds good to me -- is this Friday night or Saturday night we're talking about? Kay Original Message: - ----------------- From: patrick leader pleader@nyc.rr.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:43:57 -0400 To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com, katfud@earthlink.net, joni@smoe.org Subject: bobfest02 - njc hey folks: there's a thai restaurant i love, has a huge separate room behind the fishtank, that's usually empty, only a couple of blocks from the living room. why don't we have dinner there, then see if we feel like heading over for music? the restaurant is 'lemongrass grill' on avenue a, just below 4th street. i'd say, let's show up there around 7:30 and hang a while. let me know what you all think. i can definitely put in a call tomorrow for them to expect us. patrick np - arturo o'farrill trio - a night in tunisia - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:15:55 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: bobfest02 - njc In a message dated 4/25/02 5:56:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katfud@earthlink.net writes: > Sounds good to me -- is this Friday night or Saturday night we're talking > about? > I told David Lahm and Bob we'd meet at Judy's at 7pm and then take it from there.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:27:42 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: bobfest02 - njc hey kay and all. i just saw rose's message, so let's do that. 7:00 pm at judy's chelsea. patrick np - dianne reeves - that day ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:52:26 -0400 From: "katfud@earthlink.net" Subject: RE: RE: bobfest02 - njc Right on! Be there or be square! 7pm at Judy's Chelsea it is... :-) Kay np - Rufus Wainwright - "Rebel Prince" (Poses) ...my ears are swooning... Original Message: - ----------------- From: patrick leader pleader@nyc.rr.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:27:42 -0400 To: katfud@earthlink.net, scjoniguy@aol.com, joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: bobfest02 - njc hey kay and all. i just saw rose's message, so let's do that. 7:00 pm at judy's chelsea. patrick np - dianne reeves - that day - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:58:46 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: "Pornographic watches & Priests?" I agree now also that a "pornographic watch",means to watch "pornographically".When you think about it the "watch"(as in look at)connects well with the words "looking" and "eye".I know Joni picks her words very deliberatly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:11:22 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni and Carey Bob wrote: > LOL! Thanks for going to all the effort to type that up, Kakki. I know how much work that can be. >I really enjoyed reading it. Maybe I'll tackle another one when I get a chance - these old stories are priceless. > Y'know, Joni could easily go on a story-telling tour if she just wanted to sit down, light up & start >yakking she could fill halls all over the world I'm sure. Yet another career possibility! ;~) Ha! She absolutely could - just stock her up with a whole carton of cigarettes and she could spin yarns all night! I was chuckling that Joni was so talking the California Valley Girl talk 30 years ago! All the liberal uses of "like," "you know," and "really." Surprising that she picked it up after living here for just a few years. Reminds me how my proper east coast mother used to always be trying to (figuratively speaking) beat that talk out of me! I'd bet Myrtle might have had the same reaction when Joni came home to visit ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:50:43 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: A duck(njc) The other day, I went and picked up some Chinese food, and took my lunch down to the river. I sat eating in silence for awhile, simply enjoying being by the river, beneath the trees, feeling the cool, spring breeze. After about ten minutes, I looked out on the river and saw a single Mallard duck, all by himself, swimming upstream against the current, beautiful green and brown feathers. I remember thinking to myself, who is this duck and where is he going? I wondered about it more that night and other days as well. For some reason, I was really curious about this duck. Now I know where he was going. Victor --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the sun to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:25:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Legendary Arthur Lee and Love play again! (njc) aleeThought I'd pass this along to some of the old and new hippies here who LUV Love. I was SO hyperventilating and excited to read this today in the LA Weekly, but then learned (boohoo) that it immediately sold out. ;-( But that's a good sign that maybe we'll be seeing more of the resurrected Arthur Lee around these parts again soon! The Knitting Factory is starting a week of tributes to the Beatniks and there are going to be amazing guests every night starting Saturday. Oh, maybe I'll go just hang outside the place to see if I can somehow get in! ;-) Kakki Wed.Get Beat again with film screenings at 6 p.m. (see Film & Video Events); followed by the long-awaited return of legendary Sunset Strip psych-rock genius Arthur Lee & Love (featuring members of Baby Lemonade), spoken word from Exene Cervenka, rock from Quarter After, 8 p.m., $20. See Scoring the Clubs. In the bar: Supasoulsucka, with guest DJ Lee Joseph. In the lounge: Circle of Songs, with Lowen & Navarro, Marcy Detroit, Michiko, 7:30 p.m., no cover; then its Twine, featuring live experimental electronica and guest DJs, 10 p.m., $5. THE KNITTING FACTORY, 7021 Hollywood Blvd., Hlywd. Sister to the NYC club features one stage for headliners and the more intimate AlterKnit Lounge, plus "Web booths" and an always-open interactive video link with the New York facility. "Eclectic fusion food." Cover $20-$5. Full bar. All ages. (323) 463-0204. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:04:35 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Jimi & Dusty njc > > As Olympia Dukakis said in 'Moonstruck': 'Thank you! Thank you for > > answering my question!' > > Personally, I like what she said in "Steel Magnolias" better: "If you can't > say anything nice about anyone, come sit next to me!" > My favorite is from 'Moonstruck': 'Old man. Give those dogs one more piece of my food and I'll break both your legs!' Mark E in Seattle (Why do men chase women?....Because they fear death! That's it! Thank you for answering my question!....Cosmo, I want you to know, you're gonna die, just like everybody else and there's nothing you can do about it.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:31:14 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Saturday night Bobfest02 njc When you guys decide where it is you want to meet, could you let me know?? Anywhere is fine by me. thanks, rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:56:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Yay Patty ! njc Griffin!...1,000 kisses...love love love it!!!!...anyone who loved Living with Ghosts will love this record (I didn't like Flaming Red...the production buried her soulfulness I thought...I only listened to that one twice)... but with 1k kisses, she's right back where she belongs, simple with some tasty arrangements...its one of those records that inspires me to write more songs! so i give it an A+ for that!...plus there's lots of accordians & fiddley things on it... its amazing she's from Maine but she sounds like a Louisiana grrl (at least to my ears)...she says its her french lineage...up there in the north...some of those folks who migrated down to the bayous... alison, i think you said you liked it...has anyone else listened to it? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:49:09 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: JUDY'S CHELSEA JUDY'S CHELSEA is on 8th Avenue between 18th & 19th Streets. The phone # there is 212/929-5410. DAVID LAHM (Rose's travel agent) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:30:06 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Priests and STAS Hi everyone! I'm sort of new to this list so I apologize in advance if I'm bringing up old topics. (I'm also a day behind.) The discussions have been so interesting I just had to dive in! I've always imagined "The Priest Song" as a story about Joni retracing her steps that led up to her marriage with Chuck. I thought I had read somewhere that she had married Chuck after only knowing him for a short while. And with her unplanned pregnancy, she was looking for any possible way to make it work. I pictured Joni and Chuck consulting the priest about marriage in this airport bar and that Joni felt very awkward about the situation. ("and my eyes said let us try") I felt she was expressing the doubt that ran through her head (" which words was I then to doubt when choosing what to vow" and "just as one loves more and more will one love less and less") Perhaps she even felt a little bit of guilt after the marriage dissolved ("make them both confess"). I have a question regarding the picture on the cover of STAS. This has been driving me crazy for years! Does anyone know when and where this picture was taken? And what is she holding in her arms? It almost looks like a teddy bear. And could those be maternity clothes? Mia _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #183 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?