From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #169 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, April 18 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 169 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- This JUST in!!!!!! [Michael Paz ] Re: Yes, guitars & Joni [Michael Paz ] TAKE THREE GIRLS (BOX SET) ["William" ] More on Amazon ["William" ] Re: Karla/Crusaders and others (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: TAKE THREE GIRLS (BOX SET) [colin ] Tracy Chapman and Sherelle - njc ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Tracy Chapman and Sherelle - njc ["hell" ] Re: TAKE THREE GIRLS (BOX SET) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: More on Amazon [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Rarely seen Joni painting of Leonard Cohen [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Yes, guitars & Joni NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Sixteen going on seventeen [Gordon Mackie ] Joni's latter-day covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's latter-day covers [colin ] Re: Sixteen going on seventeen (NJC) [Lori in MD ] NYT Maureen Dowd OP ED 4/17 ["c Karma" ] Re: Today in History: April 17 [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: Fwd: A Rare Intimate Evening with Folk Legend Melanie, June7in Watchung - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: More about Covers & Numbers [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Joni's influence on contemporary songwriters [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Karla/Crusaders and others (NJC) ["hell" ] Bob Muller ["William" ] Re: More about Covers & Numbers ["hell" ] Joni and yes ["marianne marianne" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #168 [Ted Greenwald ] Re: Joni and yes ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: More about Covers & Numbers ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Joni and yes ["Heather" ] RE: smoe acts up? ...AN EXPLANATION... ["Heather" ] Re: shadows and light ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: shadows and light [Mags N Brei ] RE: smoe acts up? ...AN EXPLANATION... (njc) ["patrick leader" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:39:54 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: This JUST in!!!!!! This Just in folks- A) Les got a new job and was forced to leave the computer in the hands of his cat (who has a wicked sense of humor) B) It's the end of the world as we know it. C) He's trying to get the arabs and jews to please stop bringing their struggle here to the list and apparently he won that battle cause they can't get a word in edgewise. D) He is in Colorado where April Fools is actually on April 16. E) It just started to happen and he got such a kick out of it he is just sitting there at his computer ROTFLHAO F) Refuses to be out done by anyone from Down Under. OR G) Took that last hit of brown acid he had in the freezer left over from Woodstock. Love Paz P.S. I had over 400 emails from the Jonilist and actually thought something of some MAJOR significance happened like she was touring or needed sitters again or something. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:18:44 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Yes, guitars & Joni I forgot that part that is so true. They always play Firebird Suite at the opening of the shows like on YesSongs. Paz on 4/15/02 10:24 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama) at jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Mark in Seattle quoted Willie who asked: >> why I think so many people who like Joni also seem to > dig Yes. Anyone care to speculate?> > > We're freaks for soproanos with long, blonde hair? > > Seriously, Yes fans tend to contemplative. I love the electic variety on a > Yes album. I have lots but not all. Both Joni and Yes count Stravinsky as > an influence. It works for me. > > Lama > who's volunteering to answer phones in support of public radio this weekend ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:22:06 +0100 From: "William" Subject: TAKE THREE GIRLS (BOX SET) Thought some of you might be interested in this. I'd never seen it before. I went into Amazon.co.uk this morning and in the Joni albums section was a triple CD called, TAKE THREE GIRLS (BOX SET) Tracy Chapman, Kate Bush, Joni Mitchell Although, and I quote; Availability: We are currently unable to offer this title Audio CD (28 May, 2001) Label: Metrodome ASIN: B00005JD8Z Catalogue Number: METRO715 No price was given. Track Listings Disc: 1 1. Wow 2. Big Yellow Taxi 3. Talkin' Bout A Revolution 4. Wuthering Heights 5. Fast Car 6. This Flight Tonight 7. The Man With The Child In His Eyes 8. Behind The Wall 9. Breathing 10. Both Sides Now 11. Kick Inside 12. Baby Can I Hold You 13. Army Dreamers Disc: 2 1. You Turn Me On 2. Lionheart 3. Mountains O'Things 4. Woodstock 5. Warm Room 6. She's Got Her Ticket 7. Babooshka 8. Chinese Cafe 9. Sensual World 10. Why? 11. Reaching Out 12. Cary 13. This Woman's Work Disc: 3 1. The Red Shoes 2. Help Me 3. Running Up That Hill 4. For My Lover 5. Mother (Stands For Comfort) 6. Chelsea Morning 7. Cloudbusting 8. If Not Now 9. Never Be Mine 10. For You 11. Moment Of Pleasure 12. River 13. Under The Ivy WtS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:27:15 +0100 From: "William" Subject: More on Amazon Re Amazon.co.uk I forgot to metion there was another Joni CD called Ghosts tho' again I quote; Availability: We are currently unable to offer this title. Audio CD (14 August, 1996) Number of Discs: 1 Label: ASIN: B000057LO7 Catalogue Number: OTR1100027 WtS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:55:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Karla/Crusaders and others (NJC) Lindsay wrote: > Great, great songs that I haven't heard in a while. I have missed her voice and energy. Time to > unearth the albums ... I was ready to unearth all my old Nicolette Larson and Linda vinyls when I got home! It was so amazing - both she and Kenny Edwards just kind of drifted over to talk to us like we were casually hanging at a Jonifest ;-) I am utterly exhausted after three incredible days of music running around with Julius and the gang! But it feels wonderful! Saturday night we got together with Coyote Rick, Brad and Clark and saw the Jazz Crusaders (Joni's original jazz collborators) in Hollywood. Wilton Felder and Wayne Henderson are the only originals left and we were hoping Joe Sample or Larry Carlton might drop in but they did have Bobby Lyles on keys and 3 other incredible musicians backing them up. They blew us away on an extended version of Eleanor Rigby, Put It Where You Want It, Chain Reaction and Street Life (at which point we all fell out of our chairs - one of our collective favorite songs. Last night I took Julius to The Joint (where Hell and I rocked out last summer) and it was hopping! This is the little dive where Waddy Wachtel, Jack Tempchin, Bernard Fowler, Phil Jones and Terry Reid play every Monday and where there is usually a surprise guest or two. We heard a rumor that Keith Richards (!) might be showing up but it was not to be. But then Johnny Rivers showed and did a couple of his newer songs. I was hoping for Secret Agent Man or Summer Rain but was told by one of the regulars that I'd hear it eventually if I kept showing up on Mondays. Heard Neil Young recently showed there, too. Bernard Fowler is beyond awesome. He has been a back-up vocalist with the Stones for 20 years but I am convinced he IS the energy of the Stones at this point! Thanks to Julius for the great company sharing the music - we have to go back Jack and do it again soon ;-) Kakki NP: Johnny Rivers - Live at Union Station NYC 8/11/83 - Summer Rain (thanks to Scott for this coincidently showing up in my mail yesterday!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:59:16 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: TAKE THREE GIRLS (BOX SET) William wrote: > Thought some of you might be interested in this. I'd never seen it before. I > went into Amazon.co.uk this morning and in the Joni albums section was a > triple CD called, > TAKE THREE GIRLS (BOX SET) > Tracy Chapman, Kate Bush, Joni Mitchell > strange that all the Joni songs on this are old. None of her more recent stuff. The newest being form 82! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:03:25 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Tracy Chapman and Sherelle - njc O.k., I told Sherelle that while listening to her CD in class yesterday these lyrics popped into my head: She's got her ticket I think she gonna use it Think she's going to fly away No one can try and stop her Persuade her with their powers She says that her mind is made... Up So, my question is fair listers...what is the title of this song? It has been driving me nuts trying to remember. I know, I should be taking my ginko more frequently, but these mushrooms that I discovered at the health store are much more fun. Thanks in advance, Sue n.p.i.m.h. - that damn Chapman song...you know the title, right?!?!?! See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020201/splash.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:19:06 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Tracy Chapman and Sherelle - njc Sue wrote: > O.k., I told Sherelle that while listening to > her CD in class yesterday these lyrics popped > into my head: > > She's got her ticket > I think she gonna use it > Think she's going to fly away > No one can try and stop her > Persuade her with their powers > She says that her mind is made... > Up > > So, my question is fair listers...what > is the title of this song? It has been > driving me nuts trying to remember. I know, > I should be taking my ginko more frequently, > but these mushrooms that I discovered at the > health store are much more fun. That would be "She's Got Her Ticket" from Tracy Chapman's first, self-titled album. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:20:56 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: TAKE THREE GIRLS (BOX SET) <> Willy & all, AVOID this like anthrax!!! This is another Dressed to Kill release...what they've done is repackage the songs they released on the "Came Upon A Child of God" CD with their Kate Bush/Tracy tribs and trying to resell it as new product. So get it if you will, but don't say ya weren't warned. Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "Don't Bring Me Down" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:30:40 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: More on Amazon <> Willy, this is nothing more than LOTC with the songs programmed in a different order. It was marketed in bootleg circles as "alternative" recording of the LOTC songs. Not so. Probably is the reason why it's "unavailable"! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:28:15 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Rarely seen Joni painting of Leonard Cohen Thanks to my friend Robin for this link to Joni's painting of Leonard Cohen: http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/joni.html Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "Thirty Pieces" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:30:18 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Yes, guitars & Joni NJC Paz, I am sorry, but from my memory the Relayer record is filled with obnoxious keyboard solos and stupid inane-pagenesque lyrics that made no sense. But that was 2 years ago that I tried listening to it. I'll try soon and then I'll see if i like it or not. Keep that flu away from the list ya hear! :) Blair > >Blair >Bite your tongue boy! What were you thinking? There is NO bad Yes record. >Not even Drama which did not have Jon Anderson on it. If I HAD to pick one >though I would say that it is Dog Eat Dog. > >Peace > >Michael > > > >on 4/16/02 7:05 AM, Blair Fraipont at donjuansrd80@hotmail.com wrote: > > > What would anyone say was the worst YEs Record. I only have >one > > at home, "Relayer" and besides the wonderful graphics, I think it is a >piece > > of #@*^%(!! When I go back to Delaware which is sometime soon (Sigh,, I > > shall miss NYC!!) I will give it another listen. Maybe when I go record > > shopping, I'll pick up one of the Yes records people have been >mentioning on > > the list. But I would like to know what Yes Record people think is the >worst > > and for what reason. > > Blair > > NP:"To be Young Gifted and Black" Nina Simone > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:48:06 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Sixteen going on seventeen Dear All I think this is the first time I've been grateful for April 17th. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:17:33 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's latter-day covers <> A totally correct observation, Colin, but not really all that strange...looking at my covers database, I'm showing 104 Joni songs being covered. Of the 104, 14 or 13% are WTRF & beyond. The Dressed to Kill collection features "Chinese Cafe" and the rest are the usual suspects. So they're at 10% '1982 & beyond' which is pretty much in line with the norm. To further expand on it, of the 14 songs mentioned above, 2 are not "true" Joni songs; "You're So Square" & "How Do You Stop", so that brings the comparison closer still. And if you look at another way, the Dressed To Kill collection is way ahead! Of the 930 covers I've identified, only 33 (or a meager 3%) are WTRF & beyond. Again, throw out the non-Joni penned ditties and you're only talking 22 tracks or 2%. The reasons? Well, familiarity, mostly. (I would further submit that this trend is probably consistent with the works of Dylan, Paul Simon, James Taylor, etc.) Looking at Joni's "Hits" CD, 2 of the 15 tracks are WTRF & later, and like Joni says, she's got to stretch & pad the listing to come up with bonafide hits anyway. These records were not as popular, and the songs are just not well-known. Plus, frankly, as some have suggested, many are not as good and don't inspire covers the way her others do. Some interesting trends: Be Cool has been covered 5 times, and in time I believe will become a standard. It will get a boost with the re-release on Joni's new project, I hope. Also, Night Ride Home now has 3 covers to his credit, so as this wonderful song gets more exposure it may someday challenge the Chelsea Mornings & A Case of You's in the world. And if Metallica steps up and does Lead Balloon, it may take off in the Metal world ala This Flight Tonight! ;~) Bob NP: Edwin McCain, "Darwin's Children" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:23:28 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni's latter-day covers SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < The newest being form 82!>> > > A totally correct observation, Colin, but not really all that strange...looking at my covers database, I didn't realise this was a covers box set ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 07:35:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Sixteen going on seventeen (NJC) Gordon wrote: > I think this is the first time I've been grateful for April 17th. Are those chickens I hear? I think they've hatched. : ) Lori ~ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:39:06 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: NYT Maureen Dowd OP ED 4/17 As if you needed one MORE reason to read Maureen Dowd's excellent op ed columns in the NY Times, today's is a balancing followup to one she had done in response to a Time article about the relationships (or lack thereof) between men and successful women. She cites e-mails she received after her first piece from men, in which, "One guy sums up the male dilemma with a Joni Mitchell line: 'You don't like weak women, you get bored so quick. And you don't like strong women, 'cause they're hip to your tricks.'" Of course, that song is now 30 years old. Prophetic? Perhaps. Or maybe just a succinct common sense observation of a relationship dynamic as old as time. Joni can at least take solice in the empathy of more women who have achieved substantial business status 30 years later. No longer is she alone. CC _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:29:53 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: April 17 Hi...please make it stop...do we know what's up with this? please advise, somebody! Buried in emails in New York ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:49:23 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Fwd: A Rare Intimate Evening with Folk Legend Melanie, June7in Watchung - njc Not to mention that Beau-Jarred is a hunk and a half. When Melanie lived here in Florida we got to see her live with her then very young children backing her up. She is one who loves her fans and spends hours with them after her shows. I got to know her fairly well when her daughter got engaged to someone whose family I knew. She is very down to earth and wonderful. And her shows are still great. Jerry Heather wrote: > I'll vouch for that. I thought Melanie put on a very good show. Seeing her > children play along with her was heart-warming. I'd see her again. > Of course, the company I was with made it that much more enjoyable! > > Heather > > -----Original Message----- > > > >The Watchung Arts Center Folk Concert Series is very proud to present an > >intimate evening with the legendary performer Melanie. > > >Her son Beau-Jarred Schekeryk, an accomplished musician himself, will open > the show and will accompany Melanie. > > Rose, > > Those of us who went to A Day in the Garden can tell you that this is quite > an act to see. Melanie really engaged the audience and her son is very > entertaining. > > If you go please, as you always do, report back! > > Sue > > n.p. Steve Miller Band - Swingtown > > See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar > http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020201 > /splash.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:45:15 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Melanie NJC On the Melanie website, she's quoted as saying: "When I began to sing, I used my maiden name (Safka). For some unknown reason, when my first album came out, it only carried my first name...and that's the way it has been ever since." As a kid, I wondered why a singer with a fairly common name didn't use their last name. Now I know! Wonder if that's what happened to Madonna. Maybe Joni should have left off her last name. Glad to hear Melanie's such a good person Jerry. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:27:12 -0400 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: OK... is everyone clear about what happened on April 16th? Sheeshhh.... So sorry folks. Obviously, there's a major glitch in my database system somewhere. My apologies to all for the flood of unwanted mail. I've recently moved and am suffering through a forced 3-week exile from Internet access right now, otherwise I would have noticed it earlier. Again, my apologies! Les, back to the programming woodshed... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:42:10 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: More about Covers & Numbers After thinking about Joni's pre-WTRF & post-WTRF covers, I went on a little fact-finding trip, and thought I would share the info I found thinking that it may be of interest to somebody, although I have no idea who, other than Hell who's a trivia junkie like me. Anyway, breaking down Joni's catalogue and looking at them individually gives the following: STAS: 10 original songs (os), 8 have been covered (80%) Clouds: 9 os, 8 covers (89%) LOTC: 12 os, 10 covers (83%) Blue: 10 os, 10 covers (100%) FTR: 12 os, 8 covers (67%) C&S: 10 os, 7 covers (70%) HOSL: 10 os, 8 covers (80%) Hejira: 9 os, 9 covers (100%) DJRD: 10 os, 4 covers (40%) Mingus: 6 os, 5 covers (83%) WTRF: 10 os, 6 covers (60%) DED: 10 os, 0 covers CMIARS: 9 os, 1 cover (11%) NRH: 10 os, 2 covers (20%) TI: 9 os, 2 covers (22%)* TTT: 9 os, 1 cover (11%) *This is actually a bit of a stretch as the two are David Crosby's "Yvette In English" which he had a hand in writing, and Big Yellow Taxi's demo version of "Sunny Sunday". It could be argued that neither of these is legit. Anyway, maybe in another 25 years this will look drastically different - who knows? Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Theo & Weird Henry" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:48:06 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: OK... is everyone clear about what happened on April 16th? "Again, my apologies! Les, back to the programming woodshed" No need to apologize, Les. You do a great job for us, and if nothing else I got to feel wildly popular for just one day. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:13:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: OK... is everyone clear about what happened on April 16th? well that would be why you totally ignored my patty griffin's new album discussion! i thought you didn't want to be my friend anymore. alison e. ps: we need to come up with some songs to play, my brother... np: tracy chapman (inspired by sue cam) - --- Les Irvin wrote: > I've recently moved and am suffering through a > forced 3-week exile from Internet access right now, > otherwise I would have noticed it earlier. > > Again, my apologies! > Les, back to the programming woodshed... Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:18:03 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: smoe acts up? ...AN EXPLANATION... At 4/16/2002 08:49 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\) wrote: >Before everyone goes nuts, I want to point out that it's been a very long >stretch of time without any problems with the list. Let's be thankful for >what we've had and remember that running JMDL is a labor of love, not a job. >The whole community is a gift. And.... I'd like to make it clear that it is a *Les Irvin* problem rather than a Smoe problem. Jeff at Smoe was kind enough to take steps to stop the bleeding which was caused solely by me. I feel the need to explain (for those who are still willing to listen to me :-).... The "today" posts are set up to issue automatically on a daily basis. The first person to hit the JMDL website after 2AM each morning automatically triggers the emails. A note is then made in the database indicating the email has been sent for the day so that all subsequent hits to the page do not trigger the same email. Late on the 15th, I made an untested update to the page that had a programming error in it. Because of this, the code began recognizing the "send the email out" command, but ignored the "it's already been sent" portion. So... every single time someone visited the website on the 16th.... an email got sent to the list. Again, my sincere apologies for the 418 unwanted email messages. Please let me know if this caused any problems with your mail service and I'll do what I can to make it right. Les, who may never need to post again. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: More about Covers & Numbers Hi Bob, Another group of folks who'd love this kind of stuff are researchers/data analysts like me! This is great! Jenny SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: After thinking about Joni's pre-WTRF & post-WTRF covers, I went on a little fact-finding trip, and thought I would share the info I found thinking that it may be of interest to somebody, although I have no idea who, other than Hell who's a trivia junkie like me. Anyway, breaking down Joni's catalogue and looking at them individually gives the following: STAS: 10 original songs (os), 8 have been covered (80%) Clouds: 9 os, 8 covers (89%) LOTC: 12 os, 10 covers (83%) Blue: 10 os, 10 covers (100%) FTR: 12 os, 8 covers (67%) C&S: 10 os, 7 covers (70%) HOSL: 10 os, 8 covers (80%) Hejira: 9 os, 9 covers (100%) DJRD: 10 os, 4 covers (40%) Mingus: 6 os, 5 covers (83%) WTRF: 10 os, 6 covers (60%) DED: 10 os, 0 covers CMIARS: 9 os, 1 cover (11%) NRH: 10 os, 2 covers (20%) TI: 9 os, 2 covers (22%)* TTT: 9 os, 1 cover (11%) *This is actually a bit of a stretch as the two are David Crosby's "Yvette In English" which he had a hand in writing, and Big Yellow Taxi's demo version of "Sunny Sunday". It could be argued that neither of these is legit. Anyway, maybe in another 25 years this will look drastically different - who knows? Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Theo & Weird Henry" Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 11:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: Joni's influence on contemporary songwriters Hi Warren, just for you, Cassandra's quote that includes Joni Mitchell. It is in reference to the high school she attended after "desegregation". " One of the benefits of going to that school was the view it allowed me inside of another world. That view, among other things, introduced me to different music...I got the part of Dorothy in the high school musical of The Wizard of Oz. That was the beginning of reaching out to these people and being able to talk to them. Music was the way we came together. We talked about music...We traded albums at school. I remember hearing James Taylor and then really getting into Joni Mitchell..." Cassandra's part in the TNT tribute was one of the highlights of the show, I thought. I am not familiar with her work, though, from your description, I am definitely intrigued. Jenny WARREN901@aol.com wrote: thanks for sharing the quotes from " solo: women singer songwriter's in their own words." my only disappointment was your teasing me with cassandra wilson's name and not including a quote ! i discovered cassandra in 1993 while browsing through the jazz section at my neighborhood record store. i had never really heard anything by her but anyone who was gutsy enough to attempt a cover of joni's " black crow " deserved a listen. i promptly bought the cd and have been hooked ever since. i think the thing i appreciated most about cassandra, besides her glorious voice, is her knack for taking songs from other genre and turning them into brillant jazz. ( ie. van morrison's " tupelo honey," U2's " love is blindness," neil young's " harvest," robbie robertson's " the weight," bob dylan's " shelter from the storm," the old monkees song " last train to clarksville " by boyce and hart - she made that into quite the stunner, and many more...sorry i got carried away ! ) anyway i would love to hear a bit of a quote from the new " queen of jazz " on joni's influence, i would also love to hear cassandra tackle some more of joni's music !!! thanks for the great post jenny... wanting more joni, warren keith p.s. i trust you caught cassandra on the TNT tribute to our joan ! Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:13:37 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Re: More about Covers & Numbers <> Cool! Whatever analysis can be drawn from this data, I'd like to know. My wife, who's a math teacher, would probably be interested in it as well. She's a sports fan and likes to use baseball stats in the classroom. Another interesting (and potentially scary) fact is that one out of FOUR Joni covers is Both Sides Now! Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "Key West Intermezzo (I Saw You First)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:11:32 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Bald Eagles et al.(njc) Hi, gang, I'm behind in my digests as usual, but I just read several exchanges about the Bald Eagle and several other birds of prey... It's not exactly like seeing them in the wild, but if you ever make it out to San Fran Zoo, they have a pretty good collection of birds of prey -- often displayed in the kiddie part of the zoo -- and there's a bald eagle, rescued, I think, from some dire situation, who lives on an island at the Zoo. They are impressive. Best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:31:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: shadows and light greetings and salutations from Canukia, ;-) Just saw the entire Shadows and Light on VHS last night and wanted to say WOW!!! it is fantastic! If you haven't seen it, I encourage you to check it out. How wonderful to see Joni and the boys play together. Pat's solo was incredible... all the solos were..there is some magical kind of chemistry going on between them all. I loved 'seeing' as well as hearing the music. any Jmdlers at the concert??? The audience was having a great time dancing and singing along. :-)) I especially enjoyed the segment where Joni and Toller Cranston are skating together!! I had no idea that Toller was on the video .. what a wonderful surprise for this long time Toller fan. He remains one of my favourite in the realm of Canadian ice skaters. I remember the noise he made in the press as well as with the judges because he dared to push the creative envelope to the extremes. Besides, he's damned good! A fine skater, interpreter and dancer on ice. I am reminded of the day after the Joni Tribute in Toronto when we tried to find Toller at his gallery on Queen Street, but to no avail. Oh well Toller, perhaps next time. I'd sure love to hear your Joni stories. Back to the video, I thought of our very own Bob M. when Joni sang Amelia. In my mind, that will remain Bob's song. (Muller, you did such a beautiful rendition of Amelia at the Fest two years ago...makes me wonder what you have in store for us this year!?!?!?!) Joni was fantastic throughout...so good to see her energy and the ease with which she performs. Yes, I can well imagine the work that goes into it, performance is never 'easy' and she can make it look as if it is. I was having a bad day and seeing this video gave me such a lift. enjoying the summer weather finally, although I hear that we are in for some wintry climes encore, a samedi. geeeze. C'est la vie en Canada. Mags, the alien shiksa, trying on a joisey accent...heehee. npimh: the star spangled banner just getting ready ;-P ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:20:24 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Karla/Crusaders and others (NJC) Kakki wrote: > Last night I took Julius to The Joint (where Hell and I rocked out last > summer) and it was hopping! This is the little dive where Waddy Wachtel, > Jack Tempchin, Bernard Fowler, Phil Jones and Terry Reid play every Monday > and where there is usually a surprise guest or two. We heard a rumor that > Keith Richards (!) might be showing up but it was not to be. But then > Johnny Rivers showed and did a couple of his newer songs. I was hoping for > Secret Agent Man or Summer Rain but was told by one of the regulars that I'd > hear it eventually if I kept showing up on Mondays. Heard Neil Young > recently showed there, too. > Bernard Fowler is beyond awesome. He has been a back-up vocalist with the > Stones for 20 years but I am convinced he IS the energy of the Stones at > this point! I have such good memories of this night (and all the nights on my trip)! If anyone is ever in LA on a Monday night, you have to check this place out, it's VERY cool! I had a great night, even suffering jet-lag and exhaustion following an 11-hour plane trip, with about 1 hour's sleep! But the band absolutely rocks! It was also a good place to see some real "LA weirdos" (not you Kakki)! Hey, remember the guy who said that David Crosby went to his local church in Florida every week? This was at the height of his drug-use! I can't remember what faith it was, but it was unusual! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:52:09 +0100 From: "William" Subject: Bob Muller If God exists, James Lipton wants to know what Bob Muller would like to hear God say at the Pearly Gates. Bob says, Fill me in. WtS Bob - Love ya!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:39:13 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: More about Covers & Numbers Bob wrote: > Anyway, breaking down Joni's catalogue and looking at them individually gives the following: Thanks Bob, that was an interesting execise! > WTRF: 10 os, 6 covers (60%) > DED: 10 os, 0 covers > CMIARS: 9 os, 1 cover (11%) > Anyway, maybe in another 25 years this will look drastically different - who knows? Yeah, hopefully in 25 years, DED will be recognised as the masterpiece it is, and it will take it's rightful place as the most-covered Joni album of all time! Hell - exaggerating just a little, in support of my beloved (and much-maligned) DED! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:54:17 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: Joni and yes Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:39:15 -0700 >From: "Mark or Travis" >Subject: Yes, guitars & Joni >Willie also asked me why I think so many people who like Joni also >seem to >dig Yes. Anyone care to speculate? >Mark E in Seattle Mark, sounds interesting to me. I like Yes also. :) Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:54:18 -0700 From: Ted Greenwald Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #168 I was a huge Yes fan back in the day, and Relayer remains my favorite. Perhaps it sounds like #%$$# at first listen because it's their most adventurous album. They broke new ground on that record that no band has followed up on (the shifting tempi and superimposed time signatures in "Sound Chaser," for instance). Guitarist Steve Howe was at an aggressive peak, and Pat Moraz (keyboardist for that album only) raised the bar for synthesizer solos. Best, Ted >Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 01:24:20 -0700 >From: Michael Paz >Subject: Re: Yes, guitars & Joni NJC > >Blair >Bite your tongue boy! What were you thinking? There is NO bad Yes record. >Not even Drama which did not have Jon Anderson on it. If I HAD to pick one >though I would say that it is Dog Eat Dog. > >Peace > >Michael > > >on 4/16/02 7:05 AM, Blair Fraipont at donjuansrd80@hotmail.com wrote: > >> What would anyone say was the worst YEs Record. I only have one >> at home, "Relayer" and besides the wonderful graphics, I think it is a piece >> of #@*^%(!! When I go back to Delaware which is sometime soon (Sigh,, I >> shall miss NYC!!) I will give it another listen. Maybe when I go record >> shopping, I'll pick up one of the Yes records people have been mentioning on >> the list. But I would like to know what Yes Record people think is the worst > > and for what reason. - -- - ------------------ Ted Greenwald senior editor Wired Magazine 520 3rd Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.276.4974 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:04:15 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni and yes Why do you like Yes,Marianne? I like everything about them,I'll tell.... if you do. Years ago I won tickets to see them from a radio station and I gave them to my brother. (up close seating too) But I can't complain,he later bought me Jackson Browne, (Running On Empty Tour)tickets,floor seats. :-) Bree >sounds interesting to me. > >I like Yes also. :) > >Marianne > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:24:02 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: More about Covers & Numbers > Anyway, breaking down Joni's catalogue and looking at them individually gives the following: > > Clouds: 9 os, 8 covers (89%) I hate to seem nit-picky but if someone's really going to analyze this data....well...there are 10 original songs on Clouds (I got out the cd & looked just to be sure). Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:39:28 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: Joni and yes True confessions .... I like Yes too. Maybe because of the depth of their music. There is a mystical abstraction to their music that makes me 'want to' listen. As for Joni there is certainly depth to her music! and painting for that matter. I guess if I were to pin one of Joni's albums (CD's) as mystical abstraction ... I would choose Hejira. Then there is the chanting aspect of Sweet Bird. "guesses based on what each set of time and change is touching" Can anyone else think of other songs by Joni that have a chanting aspect to them? Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of marianne marianne Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:54 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni and yes Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:39:15 -0700 >From: "Mark or Travis" >Subject: Yes, guitars & Joni >Willie also asked me why I think so many people who like Joni also >seem to >dig Yes. Anyone care to speculate? >Mark E in Seattle Mark, sounds interesting to me. I like Yes also. :) Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:42:59 -0400 From: "Heather" Subject: RE: smoe acts up? ...AN EXPLANATION... How can we not forgive you! You are too sweet a guy :-) Thanks for the explanation though. I knew you'd clear things up. Heather - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 2:18 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: smoe acts up? ...AN EXPLANATION... At 4/16/2002 08:49 PM, Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\) wrote: >Before everyone goes nuts, I want to point out that it's been a very long >stretch of time without any problems with the list. Let's be thankful for >what we've had and remember that running JMDL is a labor of love, not a job. >The whole community is a gift. And.... I'd like to make it clear that it is a *Les Irvin* problem rather than a Smoe problem. Jeff at Smoe was kind enough to take steps to stop the bleeding which was caused solely by me. I feel the need to explain (for those who are still willing to listen to me :-).... The "today" posts are set up to issue automatically on a daily basis. The first person to hit the JMDL website after 2AM each morning automatically triggers the emails. A note is then made in the database indicating the email has been sent for the day so that all subsequent hits to the page do not trigger the same email. Late on the 15th, I made an untested update to the page that had a programming error in it. Because of this, the code began recognizing the "send the email out" command, but ignored the "it's already been sent" portion. So... every single time someone visited the website on the 16th.... an email got sent to the list. Again, my sincere apologies for the 418 unwanted email messages. Please let me know if this caused any problems with your mail service and I'll do what I can to make it right. Les, who may never need to post again. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:46:06 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: shadows and light Coincidentally,I am viewing S&L while reading your post, Mags. I am sending it off tomorrow to a lister. I want her to experience what you wrote. I thought while watching Joni sing Black Crow and the lines.......I looked at my haggard face_______ in the bathroom light___ Haggard??? Give me ten more just like it!! :-) Good review!! I did not like her outfit at first,but it has grown on me. (the colors) She dwarfs Pat somewhat because of the heels she has on. I would be interested in knowing too,if any listers were there. Bree PS. This is a little weird.....you had mentioned Toller skating with Joni? I thought,Hmmmm.... I don't find this on my copy. I bought mine on E-bay last summer. I just finished watching from beginning to end and he ain't there.(unless he is skating out on the bleachers) I think I got screwed! There is a white sticker on the cassette.. besides the running time of 60 minutes (is your copy 60 mins.?) it says:Promotional Use Only. Shall we call in Sherlock? This was going to be sent as a gift.....now I'm wondering should I. I don't want to a send a half-ass anything. (I know,with Joni on it, nothing could ever be half-ass.....she edited this) Watson waiting....... >Just saw the entire Shadows and Light on VHS last night and wanted to >say WOW!!! it is fantastic! If you haven't seen it, I encourage you to >check it out. How wonderful to see Joni and the boys play together. >Pat's solo was incredible... all the solos were..there is some magical >kind of chemistry going on between them all. I loved 'seeing' as well >as hearing the music. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: shadows and light - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Coincidentally,I am viewing S&L while reading your post, Mags. I am > sending > it off tomorrow to a lister. I want her to experience what you > wrote. I > thought while watching Joni sing Black Crow and the lines.......I > looked at > my haggard face_______ in the bathroom light___ Haggard??? Give me > ten > more just like it!! :-) Good review!! > > I did not like her outfit at first,but it has grown on me. (the > colors) > She dwarfs Pat somewhat because of the heels she has on. I would be > interested in knowing too,if any listers were there. > > Bree > > PS. This is a little weird.....you had mentioned Toller skating with > Joni? > I thought,Hmmmm.... I don't find this on my copy. I bought mine on > E-bay > last summer. I just finished watching from beginning to end and he > ain't > there.(unless he is skating out on the bleachers) I think I got > screwed! > There is a white sticker on the cassette.. besides the running time > of 60 > minutes (is your copy 60 mins.?) it says:Promotional Use Only. > Shall we > call in Sherlock? This was going to be sent as a gift.....now I'm > wondering > should I. I don't want to a send a half-ass anything. (I know,with > Joni on > it, nothing could ever be half-ass.....she edited this) Watson > waiting....... > Toller is definitely on this tape Bree...and quite a long footage of him skating ... a beautiful programme. I dont know how long the copy is...sorry. Anyone on the list know anything about different versions of Shadows and Light? Bree, Im not sure how to advise, I just know that Toller is wonderful and I would hate to miss out on that segment. I loved what Joni is wearing. And speaking of Pat, did you see the expression on his face when he does his solo?? incredible. He becomes one with that guitar of his. can anyone tell me more about that guitar? thanks for writing Mags, who believes in miracles and gives thanks the INS goddess for good news received today and who truly believes that there is nothing whatsoever haggard about our Joni. ;-) > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:59:03 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: smoe acts up? ...AN EXPLANATION... (njc) hey les, thanks for the technical explanation. i really like to hear how these things work. and i hope you know all the love we send with the joshing. and post when you can. please do sent your thanks to jeff at smoe for making the effort, as well. i was laughing and howling and feeling a little superior when i first saw the problem last night, for a couple of reasons. 1) because i'm not subscribed at work, i wasn't getting one every couple of minutes. that would have been really irritating. 2) because i've got a cable modem at home, it only took about 20 seconds to receive 468 messages. a dialup connection would have been so irritating. 3) because i use a pretty intelligent email program at home, it took me about 20 seconds to set up a couple of searches for the EXACT titles of the offending messages and delete them all on the fly. EXACT because i didn't want to miss the RE:'s, the FW:'s, all your lovely catty comments... ;-) this wouldn't have been possible in say, oh, AOL, as far as i can tell. i did the same tonight. patrick np - bill evans at montreaux, 6.15.68 > >So... every single time someone visited the website on the 16th.... an >email got sent to the list. > >Again, my sincere apologies for the 418 unwanted email messages. Please >let me know if this caused any problems with your mail service and I'll do >what I can to make it right. > >Les, who may never need to post again. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:03:55 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #168 - Yes and Jon Anderson I don't have any Yes "records" but have always enjoyed them, especially "Owner of a Lonely Heart." I do have some of Jon's work with Vangelis; they collaboreted on a couple of albums I guess. Jon is a great singer. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:13:44 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni's influence on contemporary songwriters hey jenny, i hope you will check out cassandra. her cover of black crow falls a little short, but lots of her covers are truly inspired, especially U2's 'love is blindness' as warren mentioned, along with many others. on an album that was about miles davis, called 'travelling miles' she covered cindy lauper's 'time after time' as well as 'someday my prince will come' because miles had covered both. spectacular versions. my favorite cover, actually my favorite cassandra song is her version of 'i can't stand the rain', the old disco song by melvin peebles. she turns it into a delta blues that just kills me. and the joni content is that of the many versions of 'both sides now' that we've heard courtesy bob, the absolute finest, in my opinion, is cassandra wilson's, with guitarist pat martino. brings the song completely back to life. and we heard that originally because of simon, on one of the early tape trees... patrick np - bill evans at montreaux, 6.15.68 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:35:14 -0400 From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: I missed you all! Hi everyone!I hope you are all well.I missed you!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:38:08 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: shadows and light Mags.....I am forcing myself to watch it again. ;-) Looking for Toller... I love Jaco's amp growl.....what a presence on stage. I believe Pat's guitar is a hollow-body electric.... Gibson ES-35. My brother- in- law has one and it is worth a few pennies. Yes....Pat is a cutie....and his expression.....he was so *not there*......still no Toller..... Bree NP:Joni.....WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE >Toller is definitely on this tape Bree...and quite a long footage of >him skating ... a beautiful programme. I loved what Joni is wearing. And >speaking of Pat, did you see the >expression on his face when he does his solo?? incredible. He becomes >one with that guitar of his. can anyone tell me more about that guitar? >Mags, who believes in miracles and gives thanks the INS goddess for >good news received today and who truly believes that there is nothing >whatsoever haggard about our Joni. >;-) > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > >===== >You open my heart, you do. >Yes you do. > - JM >Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #169 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?