From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #159 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, April 14 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 159 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Bob Schneider (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Teaching of Hate, NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Tr: Teaching of Hate, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Releasing the Orchestral recording on separate disks... ["Bree Mcdono] Tr: Teaching of Hate, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: The song I'd live in [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: was Sometimes I'm Hippy, now TNT tribute [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: The song I'd live in [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy ["Mark or Travis" ] Dennis Hopper is wrongly quoted ["William" ] Re: another member of the Sherelle fan club ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Tr: Teaching of Hate, NJC [colin ] RE: NPR Marketplace today njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Teaching of Hate, NJC [colin ] jonifest dream (njc) ["flopit" ] Re: another member of the Sherelle fan club [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NPR Marketplace today njc part 2 ["Kakki" ] Re: another member of the Sherelle fan club [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: another member of the Sherelle fan club [colin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:20:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Schneider (njc) Sue, all I can tell you is that I picked up "Lonelyland" based on some reviews I read last year and I liked it a lot. Very accessible singer-songwriter stuff. I don't think you'll be disappointed. If you do the E-bay thang you can probably pick it up for cheap. Bob NP: Robert Downey, Jr., "River" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:30:42 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy In a message dated 4/12/02 10:42:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > When she laughs and smiles or bcomes animated a lot of > the age comes off. > > This is so true. When I met Joni for the first time at the TNT Tribute, she > looked absolutely beautiful! I remember thinking to myself, how flawless > her skin was. I just stared at every line on her face. She has a few, but > not many. Hell, I can only hope to look that good 10 years from now. She > did have make-up on though. I wonder if that's the difference. Her hair > looked recently highlighted as well. Perhaps she spent the day at the > salon. (shining skin and shining hair) My brother-in-law once remarked to > me that Joni looks like an old sea hag now. I wanted to tear his heart out! > He sure knows how to push my buttons. LOL! > > rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:27:48 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Teaching of Hate, NJC > > This is so insane and it is pure,raw > > EVIL.....how can there possibly be peace with this. > >Of olcurse it is. No disagreement there. > >What about the hundreds of men women and children being killed by the >israeli's >over the last few weeks? Don't suppose it matters. after all they are all >just >evil arabs right? Sure it matters, a soul is a soul. Just because I'm pro-Israel doesn't mean I believe any race of people are children of a lesser god. In my Pollyanna view of *this conflict*....I'm still convinced there are the goods guys....and bad....and not much gray at all. You know, it is just not in me to hate,believe me, I've tried. It doesn't work for me. I would venture to say that most people on the list don't really have it in them either.(usually what we thought was *hate* soon is replaced with indifference.....it just dissipates after time. And maybe it was really more of a dislike to begin with,which is quite normal) After everything that has taken place since 9-11..I'm convinced that it comes quite easily to some people. THEIR HATE NEVER DISSIPATES!! That is why I am so pessimistic when it comes to this whole thing. I wish I could see a resolve...but is doesn't work with *Pollyanna* this time. Thanks Debra,for the link. I do try to read both sides. Bree NP:Joni...I Had A King _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:42:53 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: Teaching of Hate, NJC > > 2) Should the killing of innocent victims prevent Israel from defending > > itself? > Colin replied: > okay so you think killing children is a legitimate way to defend yourself. We > come from different places. > So you want the last word by twisting my words, OK you can have it. I'm glad you come from a place where your survival isn't at stake. If it were and you decided that you didn't want to fight because it might entail innocent casualties then it's your choice, I respect it. To be continued in 2 weeks.....? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:40:43 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Releasing the Orchestral recording on separate disks... >It also occured to me that she's probably trying to put out >records that Myrtle will like. There seems to still be a lot of desire on >Joni's part to gain her Mom's respect for her work. I think you are so right here. I think trying to please your parents is universal. A person can be famous,worldly,sophisicated...and all they really, really, want to do, is please them. Bree >Bob > >NP: George Hamilton IV, "The Circle Game" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:50:16 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: Teaching of Hate, NJC > Thanks Debra,for the link. I do try to read both sides. > > Bree > Just remember the universal evil tactic: 2 truths, 1 lie, 2 truths, 1 lie. I trust your judgment. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:48:42 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The song I'd live in I could live with that I suppose if I'd have to choose it would be Amelia, followed by Pat's Solo, right on into Hejira, with Pat on lead guitar I wish that he was here tonight It's so hard to obey His sad request of me to kindly stay away So this is how I hide the hurt As the road leads cursed and charmed I tell Amelia it was just a false alarm Now here's a man and a woman sitting on a rock They're either going to thaw out or freeze Listen Strains of Pat Metheny Coming through the snow and the pinewood trees I'm porous with travel fever But you know I'm so glad to be on my own Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger Can set up trembling in my bones rose from nj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:16:32 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy >This is so true. When I met Joni for the first time at the TNT >Tribute, >she looked absolutely beautiful! WOW!! You were there. Would you mind sharing share a little or lot about your experience. I would love to hear anything about it. (any little tidbit..nothing is too small) >My brother-in-law once remarked to > > me that Joni looks like an old sea hag now. I wanted to tear his heart >out! > > He sure knows how to push my buttons. LOL! I just think she looks fantastic,always have,always will. Incidentally,one of my nephews,who is eighteen, saw the PWWAM thing with me (video)and I told him her age.....he couldn't believe it. He guessed her being in her thirties. I thought this was so cute. Not a fan of hers, yet,but he loves to watch her right hand. And made some comments like AWESOME. He is in love with Diana Krall though.(I think I heard the word sexy) I bought him her signed poster from "The Look Of Love" tour...he had it framed and it is hanging near his pool table. (He guessed Diana being in her twenties) :-) I love this kid!! Bree > > rose _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:57:15 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: was Sometimes I'm Hippy, now TNT tribute In a message dated 4/13/02 12:16:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > WOW!! You were there. Would you mind sharing share a little or lot about > your experience. I would love to hear anything about it. (any little > tidbit..nothing is too small) > > There were quite a few of us there Bree, however at the time I didn't know anyone on the JMDL. I remember I snuck out at lunchtime and drove over to the Wiz and bought a ticket. I went alone and managed to sneak my digital camera in, but the ballroom was so dark, Joni came out looking like a black cat on a tar roof. During intermission I meandered my way downstairs and over by the boxseat she was sitting in. Security wasn't too tight, otherwise I would have never made it this far. I stopped for a moment apprehensive and then said to myself, what the hell. I'm going for it. This won't happen again I told myself LOL! I walked up to the box directly in front of her. There was another fan trying to get her attention without any success, so I yelled Joni in my bestest, loudest, smokey voice and her attention I did get. I pointed at the other fan cowardly trying to figure in my head what I was going to say. I felt a little foolish and crazed needless to say. She then very graciously got up from her seat a came toward us :) By the time I got to speak, the orchestra was tuning up and she couldn't hear a damn word I was saying, so I just reached my hand out to grasp hers. I pouted and she just smiled and turned away. She's been eating a banana and I got some on my hand,LMAO! I then went outside and shaking like a leaf in desperate need of a cigarette. I met the girl who spoke to her outside as well. We just stood there mesmerized, both in disbelief of the moment we'd both just shared. I was really kewl! Dang! rose from NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:10:46 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The song I'd live in In a message dated 4/13/02 11:49:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: > I could live with that > I suppose if I'd have to choose it would be Amelia, followed by Pat's Solo, > > right on into Hejira, with Pat on lead guitar > > Be careful what you wish for. Just arrived in the mail: Joni Mitchell: Hejira Live! and covers Vol. 28, oh and Sherelle's CD! I've got lot's of good listening music on this fine Saturday. Back to cleaning my house! LOL Thanks Bob, thanks Sherelle :0) love you dudes NP: Amelia, Burbank, CA 5/29/98 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:16:19 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy > I can't believe Hopper introducing her as the "high priestess of getting > high" I don't get that at all. I never thought of Joni in that context. To me Joni represented clarity in the midst of all the craziness of the 70s. I think of Grace Slick as the 'high priestess of getting high'. We know Joni did her share of smoking pot & experimenting with drugs but I never got the feeling that she advocated getting high anywhere in her music or her public persona. Oh I admit I listened to and enjoyed Joni many times under the influence of wacky weed. Back before it was so potent that it started making me nearly comatose, I used to love to listen to music when stoned. But I don't have a strong association of Joni with getting high. As a side note, I did very much associate the music of Yes with getting high. Recently I bought the remastered 'Close To the Edge' on cd and have listened to it a few times on my commute. I popped it in Friday on my way home, cranked it up and am very pleased to say that I was just as exhilarated by that music as I used to be and entirely without the benefit of any mind altering substance. What an amazing record! Hey, Paz, I've read a review of their latest. It sounds like it might be worth checking out. What's your opinion? Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:30:35 +0100 From: "William" Subject: Dennis Hopper is wrongly quoted Just got to clarify a misunderstanding about Dennis Hopper and the "high priestess" quote from When Hippies Ruled ... Dennis Hopper didn't actually say that she was the high priestess. It was Kathy Burke the commentator as a lead in to the programme. I have sent Les a copy of "what Joni said" in the programme (a full transcript) - lead ins, background music etc plus bits from the press. It might go into the archives at a later date. Anyone interested in a copy contact me off line. It's little long to post on the JMDL. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:51:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: another member of the Sherelle fan club Just wanted to add my two cents. I first heard Sherelle sing on a tribute tape that JMDLers made a few years ago. I remember hearing her sing 'Edith and the Kingpin' accompanied by nothing but the snapping of her own fingers. I told the list & I told Sherelle way back then that in my very humble opinion, she has an incredible voice & a genuine gift for singing. I also told Sherelle that she was born to sing & that she should pursue her dream of doing just that. I'm glad you're recording, Sherelle. It sounds like you have a few more songs in the can since the tape you sent me awhile back. I would love to hear them. I would gladly pay money for anything you record. I'm one fan who's hoping you go all the way to the top. Personally, I think you're that good. Love, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:28:09 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Tr: Teaching of Hate, NJC Laurent Olszer wrote: > > > 2) Should the killing of innocent victims prevent Israel from defending > > > itself? > > > Colin replied: > > okay so you think killing children is a legitimate way to defend yourself. > We > > come from different places. > > > > So you want the last word by twisting my words, I didn't twist your words. > OK you can have it. > I'm glad you come from a place where your survival isn't at stake. > and which war torn country do you live in? > If it were and you decided that you didn't want to fight because it might > entail > innocent casualties then it's your choice, I respect it. The suicde bombers are DEAD. I fail to see how killing innocents, especially children, is either justified or sure to bring safety to the lives of the Israeli's. > > > To be continued in 2 weeks.....? > > Laurent - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:31:56 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Tr: Teaching of Hate, NJC i note that the history of how Israel came to be has been ignored. Not surprising really as it quite clearly shows that the Palestines have a point. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:40:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: NPR Marketplace today njc LOL....at the the narrator ended with something like...if your tired of music that all sounds the same then you might enjoy going to a houseconcert to hear an unknown songwriter... yes, & unknown they shall remain!!!!! LOL.... still it was a huge honored to be included in the segment... >>Congratulations, Kate - I guess? LOL!<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:39:51 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Teaching of Hate, NJC > You know, it is just not in me > to hate,believe me, I've tried. It doesn't work for me. I would venture > to say that most people on the list don't really have it in them > either.(usually what we thought was *hate* soon is replaced with > indifference..... in my view indifference is worse. It devalues. It ignores the humanity of someone. > it just dissipates after time. And maybe it was really > more of a dislike to begin with,which is quite normal) After everything > that has taken place since 9-11..I'm convinced that it comes quite easily to > some people. THEIR HATE NEVER DISSIPATES!! you are getting confused here. The PLO did not cause 11/09. There are many reasons for 11/09, the unjustified support of Israel being one of them. Demonising people, or a whole group or race of people, does not help. I am sure you and others would not write in this way about another racial group and I fail to see why it is okay to write in such a way about this racial group., the Arabs. Racism is racism and prejudice is prejudice regardless of the race it is aimed at. 11/09 was a truly terrible happening and in no way can evr be jusitfied. But I am stunned at the resulting hatred (disgusied as it may be) and racism it has produced in people, including some I have grown to like and espect. Some of the mail, the jokes etc I have been sent has truly appalled me. You are right bree, I am pretty pessimistic along with you. To find that a lot of the belifs I hold and I my firends hold were just lip service is truly depressing. Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > This is so insane and it is pure,raw > > > EVIL.....how can there possibly be peace with this. > > > >Of olcurse it is. No disagreement there. > > > >What about the hundreds of men women and children being killed by the > >israeli's > >over the last few weeks? Don't suppose it matters. after all they are all > >just > >evil arabs right? > > Sure it matters, a soul is a soul. Just because I'm pro-Israel doesn't mean > I believe any race of people are children of a lesser god. In my Pollyanna > view of *this conflict*....I'm still convinced there are the goods > guys....and bad....and not much gray at all. You know, it is just not in me > to hate,believe me, I've tried. It doesn't work for me. I would venture > to say that most people on the list don't really have it in them > either.(usually what we thought was *hate* soon is replaced with > indifference.....it just dissipates after time. And maybe it was really > more of a dislike to begin with,which is quite normal) After everything > that has taken place since 9-11..I'm convinced that it comes quite easily to > some people. THEIR HATE NEVER DISSIPATES!! That is why I am so > pessimistic when it comes to this whole thing. I wish I could see a > resolve...but is doesn't work with *Pollyanna* this time. > > Thanks Debra,for the link. I do try to read both sides. > > Bree > > NP:Joni...I Had A King > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 03:04:45 +0200 From: "flopit" Subject: jonifest dream (njc) strange one last night - i dreamt that the jonifest was held here in south africa :-) dreamt ashara swung by the house, & we were going to hook up with everyone else at the fest which was being held at a coastal town called port shepstone. only ashara just wanted to know about, & see all the social issues & programmes happening here - aids awareness (esp aids orphans) womens rights, poverty relief, etc & she was just so damn interested & feisty & committed, that i couldnt object that we were missing the jonifest :-) ron np - cat snoring softly in a little basket next to my desk - real cosy .... ps - hear michelle shocked performing songs from her latest album, "deep natural" at the kcrw website.... http://www.kcrw.com/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=mb&air_date=4/3/02& tmplt_type=show ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:05:48 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: another member of the Sherelle fan club As usual, Mark, my twin separated at birth, posts just what I wanted to say. This is a great cd. I will be unveiling it to Florida tomorrow at a dinner party I'm giving. CD's in the player: BSN Betty Buckley Live Judy Collins Voices Stormy Weather and Sherelle I can assure you, she holds her own! Jerry Mark or Travis wrote: > Just wanted to add my two cents. I first heard Sherelle sing on a tribute > tape that JMDLers made a few years ago. I remember hearing her sing 'Edith > and the Kingpin' accompanied by nothing but the snapping of her own fingers. > I told the list & I told Sherelle way back then that in my very humble > opinion, she has an incredible voice & a genuine gift for singing. I also > told Sherelle that she was born to sing & that she should pursue her dream > of doing just that. > > I'm glad you're recording, Sherelle. It sounds like you have a few more > songs in the can since the tape you sent me awhile back. I would love to > hear them. I would gladly pay money for anything you record. I'm one fan > who's hoping you go all the way to the top. Personally, I think you're that > good. > > Love, > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:11:20 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni and Jeff Buckley "He had originally wanted to call it Cafe Days: Live at Sin-e implying it would be the first in a series of intimate live recordings to be released throughout his career. It's thought the umbrella title was inspired by the line 'these dark cafe days' in Joni Mitchell's 'The last Time I Saw Richard.' " Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:48:51 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NPR Marketplace today njc part 2 Katem That is so exciting! Congratulations! They should have credited you, though. A lot of times on the radio they don't tell you who is playing - but like Bob said, I'm sure people called in to see who was on. Nice wide coverage, too! Kakki > You can hear it on the web...go to http://www.marketplace.org/ april 12 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 19:26:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: another member of the Sherelle fan club In a message dated 4/13/02 1:52:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I also > told Sherelle that she was born to sing & that she should pursue her dream > of doing just that. > Woo Hoo I'll say! Dang Sherelle, you go girl! LOVE your CD. The clarity is wonderful. Thank you sooo much. love, rose from NJ NP: Sherelle's Walk on By ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:49:08 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: another member of the Sherelle fan club > and Sherelle > > I can assure you, she holds her own! she certainly does. John had no idea this was an 'amatuer'. Mainly because sherrelle sounds like she has done this for years and is already an established Diva. > > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:01:06 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Releasing the Orchestral recording on separate disks... Bob wrote: >>Hiring an orchestra and making the kinds of recordings she's doing ain't cheap, plus she's done some extensive packaging presentations as well. << I pulled out my copy of BSN this week after reading all of these posts...the only disc that I had of the album is one of the limited edition ones. I haven't played it in at least six months, and the entire disc (which started to crack soon after I bought it) has cracked nearly in two. It also had a bunch of imperfections and skips on it from day one. Has anyone else had this problem? Was this just a bad bunch of cds? I seem to remember others having trouble... Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:14:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Releasing the Orchestral recording on separate disks... > I pulled out my copy of BSN this week after reading all of these posts...the > only disc that I had of the album is one of the limited edition ones. I > haven't played it in at least six months, and the entire disc (which started > to crack soon after I bought it) has cracked nearly in two. I seem to remember others > having trouble... The way that disk was packaged was incredibly stupid. The box was nice & the whole idea was a good one. But they overlooked one little detail. The cds were not properly anchored inside the boxes. So they came loose & moved around. Most of them were scratched all to hell & back again by the time anyone bought them. The result was that they wouldn't play properly. They would skip or get to a point & not play at all. I had to send one back to CDNow & get a replacement. I was lucky. The second one played fine. However, when I sent one to my friend Melanie for her birthday, the cd was once again unplayable. Finally CDNow was nice enough to let Mel keep the box & all the goodies inside it and they sent her a regular jewel case edition of the actual cd for no extra charge. Doing an early Joni retrospective tonight. Have listened to STAS & Clouds. np: Morning Morgantown - just started LOTC Mark E in wet & windy Shoreline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:20:07 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: twins, triplets & Judy Collins njc > As usual, Mark, my twin separated at birth, posts just what I wanted to say. Ashara! You didn't tell me we were triplets!! > Judy Collins Voices I've really been getting into Judy lately. 'Wildflowers' is a wonderful recording! I wasn't expecting an album of songs arranged for orchestral instruments. It's really quite unique & beautiful. Lately I'm fascinated by 'Albatross'. When I first heard it I couldn't figure what the hell it was about. But the more I've listened to it the more it becomes clear to me. If anyone wants to hear my idea of what it's about or wants to tell me what their interpretation is, I will ask you to email me off list since this is Joni's discussion list, not Judy's. I would love to hear from anybody who cares to chime in! Mark E in Seattle np: For Free ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Sometimes I'm Hippy well, my mom looks great.. alison e. in slc. - --- colin wrote: > > next we're faced with a ravaged old hippy queen. > > I agree, she did not look wonderful. but then > neither do most of the women I > know past their mid fifties! Why should we expect > Joni to be any different to > any other late 50's woman? Are we comparing her to > plastic fantastic Cher or the > ridiculous Joan Collins? > Joni looked like a real person! Surely that is in > keeping with her work, being > real? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #159 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?