From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #152 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, April 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 152 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Sex Kills ["William" ] Mary Waddington's Broadway Bridge ["William" ] Today's Articles: April 9 [les@jmdl.com] Joan Armatrading (NJC) [Deb Messling ] Re: Covers #28 has left the building... [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: victor and birds, njc ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Joan Armatrading (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] World Peace, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Covers #28 has left the building... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: gino vanelli njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: victor and birds, njc [Mags N Brei ] =?ISO-8859-1?B?cmU6IHNleCCga2lsbHM=?= [Lazyasz@aol.com] =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IHJlOiBzZXggoGtpbGxz?= [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: sharon isbin, joan baez, paul liberatore and one more person -njc [JR] Re: sex  kills [Lori in MD ] the top covers of all time (njc, unfortunately) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: re: sex  kills ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: the top covers of all time (njc, unfortunately) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] quod erat demonstrandum, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] "gruff diamond" (njc) [shane ] Re: victor and birds, njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Ryan Adams gig, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Bonnie Raitt Chicago Theater (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] World Peace/Whirled Peas (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: the top covers of all time (njc, unfortunately) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Bonnie Raitt Chicago Theater (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Willy Porter NJC ["kerry" ] Sex Kills [KJHSF@aol.com] Bonnie Raitt Chicago Theater njc ["kerry" ] Re: the top covers of all time (njc, unfortunately) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: arabs, israel, etc. njc [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Kathy Burke (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Sex Kills and the new album [Merk54@aol.com] Re: sex kills [Michael Paz ] Re: Asheville, whimsical creatures, .. (njc) [Michael Paz ] Joan Baez Remembers High Times, High Stress njc ["Kate Bennett" ] birds njc mags ["mack watson-bush" ] birds njc ["mack watson-bush" ] sex kills njc ["mack watson-bush" ] gruff diamond revisited (njc) [shane ] Re: Sex Kills [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:11:42 +0100 From: "William" Subject: Sex Kills David wrote, <<>> Ditto. This was my first thought when I heard that SK was on the make-over playlist. Should be interesting if nothing else. Can't wait. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 08:20:03 +0100 From: "William" Subject: Mary Waddington's Broadway Bridge Thanks Shane for pointing out the website; http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca/svc/imgbank/index.asp So that's the Broadway Bridge. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:24:24 +1000 From: john low Subject: David LaMotte etc. NJC Kate & Victor, thank you for your responses concerning David La Motte. I was really pleased to hear that at least a couple of Jmdlers had run into him. Perhaps we might see both of you down under one day - my brother and his wife run a pretty good house concert and would make you both very welcome. Indeed. we'd all be very pleased to show you round the Blue Mountains and introduce you to all our birds and other "whimsical creatures". You'd love it! :-) Really enjoyed you post on Asheville, Victor! Cheers, John. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 04:26:26 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: April 9 On April 9 the following items were published: 1997: "Long-lost daughter sings Mitchell's praises" - Toronto Sun (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970409ts.cfm 2000: "Elton John, James Taylor Pay Tribute To Joni Mitchell" - SonicNet website (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000409sn.cfm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 07:13:27 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joan Armatrading (NJC) I'm trying to find Joan Armatrading's "Back to the Night" and "To the Limit" on CD. As far as I can tell, they are not in print and I don't see anything on Ebay. Does anybody know if these were released on CD? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:18:57 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #28 has left the building... In a message dated 4/8/02 8:18:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > And it is with great JOY that I announce ***Rose Joy*** as the winner. She > guessed "Car On A Hill"(Court & Spark), my pick was "Judgement of the Moon & > Stars"(For The Roses). Discs are on their way, Rosalita! > and that's a Bingo! LOL thanks Bob rosalita xoo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 07:23:30 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: victor and birds, njc Dear Mack, I love chickens too, with a light breading and a creamy gravy :-) Speaking of birds, we have yet to see a robin and it is now the second week of April. Snow still on the ground and temps each day in the forties. You folks in Wisconsin getting this too? I am so ready for spring! It is scary but as I have gotten older I have come to appreciate the beauty of birds. Is there some significance here? This past summer there was an osprey (sp??) who nested on one of the channel markers where we frequently boat. It was only in the nest once, but man was that cool to see such a unique bird up close. Rambling this morning, sorry! Sue n.p. Cat Stevens - Trouble See Dave Matthews Band live or win a signed guitar http://r.lycos.com/r/bmgfly_mail_dmb/http://win.ipromotions.com/lycos_020201/splash.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:14:31 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading (NJC) <> According to the All-Music Guide, both were released on CD and both are now OOP. How bad do you want them? There's a CD of Back to the night available on GEMM for $143.74. (www.GEMM.com). Nothing there on CD for To the Limit. If you've got a nice sounding LP, I can convert it to CD for you. You'll be surprised how nice it sounds. Bob NP: The Carol Hamersma Trio, "Chelsea Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:45:28 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: World Peace, NJC Colin wrote: > When you look at what israel is doing, the fact that it is ignoring the uS, and the UN, but are not being attacked by the USA or Europe, yet the > threat to attack Iraq is justified becasue Iraq has ignored UN , is it any wonder that Arabs believe the west is anti arab? On the comment of why Israel is not abiding by the UN votes: I'm sorry but you're forgetting that the U.N. has a majority of votes from Muslim countries. Hence ever since the (in)famous resolution of the 70's (I think it was around then) equating zionism with racism, Israel has disregarded the UN as an arab dominated institution. What if the UN voted that you should jump off a cliff, would you do it? On the comment that Israel is ignoring the US: I am sorry but for the past 18 months Israel stood back to please the U.S. and show the world that they gave Arafat a chance to fulfill his many promises. Is there any other country in the world that would endure daily suicide bombers from a neighbour and stand back for 18 months? Enough is enough. I am NOT commenting on Irak vs the UN votes, that is a different topic. > No matter which way I look at it, it seems the west does hate the Arabs. > Perhaps, but they sure lick their asses consistently. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 05:44:52 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Covers #28 has left the building... Rose still won huh? I thought maybe,just maybe,some kind of mistake was made. I dunno know....a typo.....well,Rose's name has four letters and....Bree has four.....a bit of a stretch,I guess. Next time, Bob,I *won't* try to get in your head. ;-) Bree >And it is with great JOY that I announce **Rose Joy*** as the winner. She >guessed "Car On A Hill"(Court & Spark), my pick was "Judgement of the Moon >& Stars"(For The Roses). Discs are on their way, Rosalita! > >If you didn't win but still want a copy of this (or any of the other) >covers collections, just let me know and I'll hook you up. > >Bob > >NP: Little Feat, "under the radar" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:59:03 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Re: Covers #28 has left the building... <> Or if you do, bring a kite along and enjoy all the empty space! :~) Bob NP: Blind Guardian, "This Flight Tonight" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 06:24:20 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: gino vanelli njc I had not thought about Gino Vanelli in years,until you posted about him. Yep.......so I purchased "The Ultimate Collection".....the one with the backside of the liner he's holding the two dogs and you want to reach out and touch that *big* hair. Putting the "hunk" image aside, this guy can sing with the best of them. I also purchased Song To A Seagull....my last Joni holdout(CD). I have this on vinyl,but for some strange reason I resisted buying the CD. So in the car yesterday, I switched back and fourth between Gino greatest hits and Joni's first born, sweet masterpiece.. STAS. Bree NP: Abbey Road:Because >Sherelle, it is great to hear of another Gino disciple for me too. I bet >the >live version is out of this world. I have been in a Gino mode for over a >week >now, nothing but Gino. I have played all of his albums, that I have, over >and >over again and _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 06:24:45 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: gino vanelli njc I had not thought about Gino Vanelli in years,until you posted about him. Yep.......so I purchased "The Ultimate Collection".....the one with the backside of the liner he's holding the two dogs and you want to reach out and touch that *big* hair. Putting the "hunk" image aside, this guy can sing with the best of them. I also purchased Song To A Seagull....my last Joni holdout(CD). I have this on vinyl,but for some strange reason I resisted buying the CD. So in the car yesterday, I switched back and fourth between Gino greatest hits and Joni's first born, sweet masterpiece.. STAS. Bree NP: Abbey Road:Because >Sherelle, it is great to hear of another Gino disciple for me too. I bet >the >live version is out of this world. I have been in a Gino mode for over a >week >now, nothing but Gino. I have played all of his albums, that I have, over >and >over again and _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 07:06:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: victor and birds, njc - --- Suze Cameron wrote: > > > < second week of April. Snow still on the ground and temps each day > in the forties. You folks in Wisconsin getting this too? I am so > ready for spring!>> wow Sue, temps in the forties...that's hot! ;-) Spring has been slow in coming to this area of Canada too...we had a fairly major snow storm a couple of weeks ago and finally the rain has washed it all away...the air is warm today...and it sure feels like spring. > > < beauty of birds.>> me too...my bird of choice is a hawk. Mesmerized by them when they fly overhead. < here?>> I've wondered that too. < nested on one of the channel markers where we frequently > boat. It was only in the nest once, but man was that > cool to see such a unique bird up close. >> the most impressive bird moment I've experienced was out in BC (Hi Stephen!) . While driving down the road, I saw a bald eagle just sitting on a post about three feet away . Incredible!!!! (guess she was up visiting from the US). > > <> no worries, it's that kind of day. Ramble on . and Victor...I loved your enchanting bird story. Wishing you all the happiness you deserve :-)) > Mags np: birds outside my window and I dont mind at all..and yea Sue, havent seen a robin either. > ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:12:39 -0400 From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?cmU6IHNleCCga2lsbHM=?= Well if you hear Sex Kills you know that there is a synth line running throughout the song. I believe that she is going to replace that synth line with actual orchestration. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:23:52 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IHJlOiBzZXggoGtpbGxz?= "Sex Kills" is not a song that should be orchestrated. Bad call. I enjoyed her live performances on the '98 tour with Blade pushing the pace of the song a bit. It's one that should be loud and fast, with the words "spit out" (as Joni says about Tim Curry's take on "Cold Blue Steel...") Coincidentally, the first song that Joni played live with her VG8 was Sex Kills, and she used the heavy metal mode or whatever it's called, the same sound she uses in lead balloon. Anyway, it's a good effect. I also liked the version we heard in Nawlins...help me out Michael, who did that one? Bob NP: Little Feat, "rock and roll everynight" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:12:33 -0400 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: sharon isbin, joan baez, paul liberatore and one more person -njc An article about Joan Baez ran in the New York Times today. I thought some of you might be interested. I'll copy an excerpt here and post a link to the whole piece on the Times site. You might have to register to read it though. It's free. - -Julius April 9, 2002 Joan Baez Remembers High Times, High Stress By PETER MARKS ALEXANDRIA, Va. b The voice from the audience echoed in the hall like a shout across time. "Kumbaya!" it called out from the dark. At center stage, looking fit and petite, her salt-and-pepper hair clipped short, Joan Baez let out a giggle of surprise. She gazed at the sea of heads, many of them silver-haired, filling Town Hall in Manhattan, a stop on her recent tour of the Eastern Seaboard. "The only places I'll sing that," she said drily, "are places that are currently under siege." Days later, at a gig here in Alexandria, the crowd pleaded for more old stuff. " `Forever Young'!" they cried. " `Diamonds and Rust'!" Ms. Baez, who is 61, smiled. "Soon," she said to the last request, riffling the pages of a notebook on a music stand. She didn't disappoint, remaining onstage for the better part of two hours, singing a lot of new material but making a much deeper impact every time she reverted to one of her standards, like "Joe Hill" or "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down." It is clear that her fans, who grew up with her clarion soprano on their stereos and tape decks and who remember her as an era-defining presence at antiwar demonstrations and civil rights marches, are more nostalgic than she is. Even if she likes to remind audiences of her activism b "Just remember, 40 years ago I was right" b Ms. Baez says she does not recall the 1960's particularly fondly. Read the entire article at: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/09/arts/music/09BAEZ.html?homepageinsidebox patrick wrote: sharon came by the office today and told us this amazing sequel. she's working on a project concerning joan baez. she contacted baez' people to clear it and has commissioned a guitar concerto based on baez songs sharon chose, with a title song sharon chose. the piece is well along. when baez played in new york recently, one of the folks asked sharon if she wanted a ticket and a backstage pass. she saw the concert, went backstage, a group of people were waiting to meet joan, and someone said, 'aren't you sharon isbin?' paul liberatore introduced himself and sharon said ' oh, you're the one who wrote that terrific feature and review.' they began chatting as they waited. sharon asked if he knew baez, he said yes, she asked if he'd handle the introduction (they hadn't yet met during the project discussions), he agreed but joan met sharon with a hug and they all went to the dressing room and had champagne. so it was a great experience so far. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: sex  kills > "Sex Kills" is not a song that should be orchestrated. The thought of hearing that song orchestrated makes me want to change one of the phrases slightly, to "Sex Kills everything." Still, it could be a nice surprise. Maybe. Lori, never a big fan of that song, in MD ~ Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:06:48 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: the top covers of all time (njc, unfortunately) There was an article in the Boston Sunday Globe last weekend that asked the musical question, "What recent rock songs will become standards?" The article also lists "The songs recorded most often, and how many times, according to allmusic.com." There's no Joni here, but here's the list: Yesterday -- 594 Stand By Me -- 492 Gloria -- 425 The Shadow of Your Smile -- 424 The Letter -- 410 Kansas City -- 387 Hound Dog -- 386 Blue Suede Shoes -- 377 Let It Be Me -- 358 I attempted to get a url for anyone who may be interested in reading the article online, but apparently the Globe now charges a fee for accessing anything that's more than a couple of days old. If you want to pay to read it, go to the Globe's Web site at www.boston.com. Use the search field on the bottom left-hand side of the main page to find the article ("Tune in Tomorrow" by Joan Anderman, April 7, 2002.) Also, BOB MULLER -- If you'd like me to send you the actual hard copy article for your covers archives, let me know. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 14:04:07 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: re: sex  kills Want came to my mind during this discussion was Ludwig's 5th....it (this type of deal)would certainly get *spat out*! Bree >"Sex Kills" is not a song that should be orchestrated. Bad call. I enjoyed >her live performances on the '98 tour with Blade pushing the pace of the >song a bit. It's one that should be loud and fast, with the words "spit >out" (as Joni says about Tim Curry's take on "Cold Blue Steel...") _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 17:23:43 -0400 From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the top covers of all time (njc, unfortunately) <> Wow, I never would have picked that one! The old Van Morrison/Them/Shadows of Night hit? An interesting list, to be sure...and for the benefit of those who don't visit my Joni covers page, here are the top covered Joni songs: 1) Both Sides Now (230 times) 2) Big Yellow Taxi (69 times) 3) Woodstock (67 times) 4) River (47 times) 5) The Circle Game (43 times) 6) Urge For Going (35 times) 7) Chelsea Morning (29 times) 8) A Case Of You (29 times) 9) For Free (21 times) Bob NP: Nils Lofgren, "No Mercy" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:57:35 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: quod erat demonstrandum, NJC The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term exam. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well. Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities: 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose. 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over. So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa Baston during my Freshman year that "... it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you", and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then, #2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze. The student received the only "A" given. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:01:43 -0700 From: shane Subject: "gruff diamond" (njc) mighty fine neil young interview, "gruff diamond" just for those who didn't catch it: http://www.obshttp://www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,679916,00.htmlerver.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,679916,00.html shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ************************************** you sang for me like the seagulls in their homeless liberty just floating on the dayspring in their sighing daydreams... - -from 'sandefjord' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:07:51 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: victor and birds, njc In a message dated 4/9/02 10:07:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: > < > second week of April. Snow still on the ground and temps each day > > in the forties. You folks in Wisconsin getting this too? I am so > > ready for spring!>> > That's because they've been here in NJ all feckin winter long, never left! LMAO. Poor birds are so confused. Speaking of birds. I've got a family of morning doves nested in a pine tree right outside my window. rose ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:18:09 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Ryan Adams gig, NJC Laurent, did you go to the concert yet, and if so, how was it? rose Well to be honest the general consensus is they seemed tired, and not as eager as last time to make a great first impression. Still good but not a memorable concert if you know what I mean. Much fewer jokes than last time. The funniest part was he kept pulling out of his pocket one of those travel dictionaries and was talking in phonetic French. My pix should be good though, I still was front row center. Ryan was hanging out in the hall before the show hoping he wouldn't be recognized and of course he was. So I got a pix authographed. I asked him why there's such a contrast between the garage rock concerts and the intimate acoustic ones and he said it depends on his mood. Very nice guy. The band hung out in the hall after the gig too. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:20:22 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bonnie Raitt Chicago Theater (NJC) "Bonnie Raitt is a sweetheart and a good ole girl." -- Joni MItchell (From an article at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/851216p.cfm) Dear Susan, Thanks for telling us all about seeing Bonnie in concert and meeting her backstage. Congratulations! Having lived most of my life in Massachusetts, I have been a Bonnie Raitt fan since her Cambridge days. In fact, I have probably seen her perform more times than I have seen any other artist over the years -- in every kind of venue, from little coffee houses and bars to big arenas. She has never disappointed me. When I was 19 -- and even more obnoxious, if you can believe it -- I saw her at an incredible, short-lived club in Harvard Square called the Performance Center with a whole table full of my high school and college buddies. After every number, we all shouted a request for "Women Be Wise." And eventually, Bonnie, ever gracious, said, "This one is for those cavaliers in the back row," and then played "Women Be Wise." We were all so proud of ourselves for getting her to play the song until the local underground newspaper came out the next week with a letter to the editor complaining about how ill-mannered "those cavaliers in the back row" were. (I am much better behaved at concerts since this incident.) I also had the pleasure of being invited backstage to meet her at a concert she gave on the Boston Common in 1986 or so. (Met some of her roadies in a bar the night before -- it's a long story that even I can't even remember that well!) I approached Bonnie as she was leaving, extended my hand and said something like, "Hi, Bonnie, I just wanted to tell you that I've always loved you." (Really, whatever I said was about that lame.) Luckily, she didn't remember me from my cavalier-in-the-back-row days, and she was very sweet, very genuine. I love the fact that she always gives credit to her musical roots -- the blues performers who have been such an enormous influence on her work throughout her career. And it's always a treat when she includes these living legends in her shows. I have heard that she also works to provide financial aid and other help to some of the blues people who were, let's face it, screwed by the music business. I think that's extremely admirable and wonder why more performers whose music is heavily blues-influenced (The Rolling Stones immediately come to mind) don't do the same. There is plenty of wealth in the music biz to share with these pioneers -- mostly all elderly now -- who were so shamefully cheated out of the money and recognition they deserved. Bonnie has also shown impeccable taste in choosing songs to record over the years. In all this talk about Methany, someone mentioned a song called "You." I wonder if that's the same beautiful song Bonnie recorded (written by Bob Thiele, Jr., Tonio K and John Shanks) on her "Longing in Their Hearts" album. I wouldn't be surprised if she actually did listen to your friend's CD, Susan. Wouldn't it be great if she chose to record something! I know I've been rambling, so I'll close with this: Do you remember the old Cloris Leachman series, "Phyllis?" There was an elderly lady who played, I think, Cloris' mother or grandmother on the show and every time someone talked about Charles Bronson, she would put down her needlepoint and wistfully (and somewhat lustfully) sigh, "Charles Bronson . . ." Lust aside, that's pretty much how I feel whenever anyone mentions Bonnie! --Bob, putting down his needlepoint and sighing . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:31:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: World Peace/Whirled Peas (NJC) On a related topic, a friend just sent me this article: What if leaders of the world's major religions got together one day and denounced all religious violence? What if they unanimously agreed to make this plain, clear and bold statement to the world? "Violence and terrorism are opposed to all true religious spirit and we condemn all recourse to violence and war in the name of God or religion." It could change the world. It could save the planet. At the very least, it would be big news, wouldn't it? Apparently not. More than 200 leaders of the world's dozen major religions did get together Jan.24 in Assisi, Italy. Maybe you missed the story about it the next day. Most newspapers didn't carry it. And it was hidden inside many of those that did. There was a lot of other news that day. The Enron hearings opened in Washington. John Walker Lindh made his first court appearance. It's no wonder the largest meeting of world religious leaders in history couldn't even make the front page. Pope John Paul II and a number of cardinals were at the meeting. So was Bartholomew I, spiritual leader of all Orthodox Christians. So were a dozen Jewish rabbis, including some from Israel. So were 30 Muslim imams from Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan. So were dozens of ministers representing Baptists, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, Disciples of Christ, Mennonites, Quakers, Moravians, The Salvation Army and the World Council of Churches. So were dozens of monks, gurus and others representing Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Zoroastrians and native African religions. They ignored the personal and political risk of attending such a high-profile gathering. They convened and talked and prayed. They unanimously agreed to condemn "every recourse to violence and war in the name of God or religion." They also said, "No religious goal can possibly justify the use of violence by man against man." And that "Whoever uses religion to foment violence contradicts religion's deepest and truest inspiration." They called their statement the Assisi Decalogue for Peace. It consists of 10 mutual commitments to work for peace and justice in the world, including this one: "We commit ourselves to stand at the side of those who suffer poverty and abandonment, speaking out for those who have no voice, and to working effectively to change these situations." On March 4, the Pope sent a copy of the Decalogue to all the world's heads of state. Maybe you missed the story. It didn't even make the newspapers the next day, hidden inside or not. There was a lot of other news that day. Seven American soldiers were killed in Afghanistan. Israeli troops killed 17 people in the West Bank. Mike Tyson got a license to box. What if leaders of the world's major religions got together one day and denounced all religious violence-----and no one cared? (David Waters is a columnist who writes about religion for the Memphis, Tennessee, 'Commercial Appeal' and appears here and there in syndication.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:25:06 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: the top covers of all time (njc, unfortunately) In a message dated 4/9/02 4:27:35 PM, SCJoniGuy writes: << <> Wow, I never would have picked that one! The old Van Morrison/Them/Shadows of Night hit? >> Must be, unless people are going wild recording Laura Brannigan's disco hit! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:22:21 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bonnie Raitt Chicago Theater (NJC) "Bonnie Raitt is a sweetheart and a good ole girl." -- Joni MItchell (From an article at http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/851216p.cfm) Dear Susan, Thanks for telling us all about seeing Bonnie in concert and meeting her backstage. Congratulations! Having lived most of my life in Massachusetts, I have been a Bonnie Raitt fan since her Cambridge days. In fact, I have probably seen her perform more times than I have seen any other artist over the years -- in every kind of venue, from little coffee houses and bars to big arenas. She has never disappointed me. When I was 19 -- and even more obnoxious, if you can believe it -- I saw her at an incredible, short-lived club in Harvard Square called the Performance Center with a whole table full of my high school and college buddies. After every number, we all shouted a request for "Women Be Wise." And eventually, Bonnie, ever gracious, said, "This one is for those cavaliers in the back row," and then played "Women Be Wise." We were all so proud of ourselves for getting her to play the song until the local underground newspaper came out the next week with a letter to the editor complaining about how ill-mannered "those cavaliers in the back row" were. (I am much better behaved at concerts since this incident.) I also had the pleasure of being invited backstage to meet her at a concert she gave on the Boston Common in 1986 or so. (Met some of her roadies in a bar the night before -- it's a long story that even I can't even remember that well!) I approached Bonnie as she was leaving, extended my hand and said something like, "Hi, Bonnie, I just wanted to tell you that I've always loved you." (Really, whatever I said was about that lame.) Luckily, she didn't remember me from my cavalier-in-the-back-row days, and she was very sweet, very genuine. I love the fact that she always gives credit to her musical roots -- the blues performers who have been such an enormous influence on her work throughout her career. And it's always a treat when she includes these living legends in her shows. I have heard that she also works to provide financial aid and other help to some of the blues people who were, let's face it, screwed by the music business. I think that's extremely admirable and wonder why more performers whose music is heavily blues-influenced (The Rolling Stones immediately come to mind) don't do the same. There is plenty of wealth in the music biz to share with these pioneers -- mostly all elderly now -- who were so shamefully cheated out of the money and recognition they deserved. Bonnie has also shown impeccable taste in choosing songs to record over the years. In all this talk about Methany, someone mentioned a song called "You." I wonder if that's the same beautiful song Bonnie recorded (written by Bob Thiele, Jr., Tonio K and John Shanks) on her "Longing in Their Hearts" album. I wouldn't be surprised if she actually did listen to your friend's CD, Susan. Wouldn't it be great if she chose to record something! I know I've been rambling, so I'll close with this: Do you remember the old Cloris Leachman series, "Phyllis?" There was an elderly lady who played, I think, Cloris' mother or grandmother on the show and every time someone talked about Charles Bronson, she would put down her needlepoint and wistfully (and somewhat lustfully) sigh, "Charles Bronson . . ." Lust aside, that's pretty much how I feel whenever anyone mentions Bonnie! --Bob, putting down his needlepoint and sighing . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:45:15 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Willy Porter NJC Yes, Willy is just one of the many talented musicians to come out of Wisconsin. (We are pretty much the hub of the music world...:>~) Seriously, I've had the opportunity to hear him play many times here in Milwaukee and have never been disappointed. I would also highly recommend, "Dog Eared Dream." Kerry Hello All- My friend Jay Dronge just left and we had a lovely evening of listening to music and playing some tunes as well, and talking about music. He was her for me birthday party and played bass in the band and has offered to do some trax on Jack's record. He turned me on to a great singer songwriter guitarist (who is fond of open tunings btw) and his name is Willy Porter. The album I heard was Fallin Forward. This is a really great record and I liked it a lot and plan to get it. Just thought I would share that with all my music slut/junkie friends who need a trick/fix. LOL! Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:51:18 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Sex Kills Geez, I never realized that this song was so disliked! I'm not wild about the first verse...it sounded to me like the lyrics should be reworked in some way, as though she is rushing to say too much at once. But the later verses are typical Joni brilliance, imho. "The ulcerated ozone, these tumors of the skin, the hostile sun beating down on this massive mess we're in." That line always gives me chills. The song I'm not wild about on TI is How do You Stop. I usually skip over that one. I do remember having a real appreciation for the first time of Be Cool when I heard that Las Vegas-ey, Doc Severinson-ey version at the BSN concert in Concord. Maybe Sex Kills will come off that way for all you doubters! Ken np-Patty Griffin, Making Pies (brilliant) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:49:58 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Bonnie Raitt Chicago Theater njc Susan wrote: >Now grant it Bonnie may not be in my top 5 singers, more like top 10. But I really respect and >enjoy her work, both muscially and politically. She really seems to have it all together. All in >all a memorable night, as Bonnie Raitt is truly one of the great women in rock and roll. Thanks for your review. I saw her in Milwaukee the night before and I wondered if she'd even make it to the Chicago gig. She apologized all night for her voice, but I probably wouldn't even have noticed if she hadn't said anything. It was truly one of the best concerts I've been to (and my date wasn't bad either!) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:54:54 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: the top covers of all time (njc, unfortunately) In a message dated 4/9/02 5:07:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > I attempted to get a url for anyone who may be interested in reading the > article online, but apparently the Globe now charges a fee for accessing > anything that's more than a couple of days old. Bob, I managed to get to the URL without a fee. Just go to: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/097/living/Tune_in_tomorrow+.shtml I thought it was funny that one Boston performer mentioned a couple of novelty songs that might be covered. "The Macerena" and "Who Let The Dogs Out". I just hope they're not on Linda Rhondstat's next album :~) I am curious as to what they consider a covered song. Does it mean it's been recorded on a major record label? Anyone can put out a CD (well not anyone, but you know what I mean). I have all of Joni's covers (thanks to Bob Muller), but when a high school choir puts BSN on their CD, is that considered *a covered song* by these polls? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: arabs, israel, etc. njc "mack watson-bush" wrote > I would not categorize how I feel about that region as hate but I am sure fed > up with them and their constant bickering and fighting. "Wouldn't they like their peace Don't we get bored" Joni basically says it all in these two lines... I'm tired of "another suicide bomber" and "Arafat is still surrounded", "more gunfire", etc... It's just so discouraging. Basically there are two sides that won't listen, so it doesn't even matter if someone's willing to talk. What I see on the news is people who hate - Arabs and Israelis alike. What a shame. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:31:38 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Kathy Burke (NJC) Dulson Do you have any phone numbers???? ;-} Love Paz on 4/8/02 1:08 PM, Steve Dulson at steve@psitech.com wrote: > The inimitable Colin wrote: > >> Kathy Burke is one of our best actresses...a >> lovely warm up front person who can can act the pants off the pretty women >> actresees we are used to seeing. > > Actually, many pretty actresses seem to need no added incentives > to remove their pants. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:20:52 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Sex Kills and the new album My favorite part of Sex Kills has always been that killer guitar solo! I do agree with Ken's assessment of the lyrics - the first verse seems forced, but from there the song takes off pretty nicely. As far as the new ablum is concerned, I'm hoping it's edgier than BSN (which is beautiful, but not exactly challenging). Just because she's using an orchestra for this new album, doesn't mean she can't push the envelope a little. I keep thinking about how she did Ludwig live! That song was brilliant. BSN was a beautiful, respectful piece of work, but I hope Joni doing Joni means taking a few more chances. Just my opinion. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:29:19 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: sex kills Just wait to hear Leslie Smith doing it! I love doing this song too. It is so powerful and there are so many things about it that make me feel it when I sing it. Peace Michael on 4/8/02 7:47 AM, J.David Sapp at davidsapp@peoplepc.com wrote: > i have trouble envisioning sex kills with orchestration. it seems obvious that > joni is proud of this song but her attraction to it escapes me. > peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:38:03 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Asheville, whimsical creatures, .. (njc) Oh Jimmy dearest you expect me to hold MY tongue???? Sorry! For the rest of you folks, Jimmy's idea of camping is a plush RV with all the Mickey's ( a Honduran word for fru fru accoutrement) driven by some handsome young buck to some 5 star resort with gold plated indoor plumbing and hot and cold running chambermen and of course LOTS of plants. HEE HEEE Paz NP-Magnification-Yes Live in Sheffield England (Surprised it's not Ryan????) on 4/8/02 4:56 PM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Oh Victor, I'm so glad that you're all set up and happy in Asheville. The > above snip from your post reminds me of this past Saturday night. One > evening out of each year (usually during March or April), I do my version of > "camping out" (DON'T SAY ANYTHING PAZ :~) ). In South Florida, the breezes > are nice this time of year and it's not too cold or hot. So I set up some > nice cushions, put them on the lounge chair along with a nice comforter and > sleep out under the stars. YES, I'M IN THE INCLOSED LANAI, BUT THIS IS > ROUGHING IT FOR ME!!!! > Anyway, it was a beautiful night so I bid the dogs and Ed adieu as I ventured > my way to the great outdoors by the cement pond. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 19:48:21 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: sharon isbin, - njc >My understanding is that Sharon has worked with Micheal Hedges and Stanley >Jordan. I happen to have known both of these amazing performers from my >college days in Palo Alto before they became world renowned. Pat, do you >know if Sharon ever recorded anything with either of them? Curious. > i don't think so, i think with those two it was just playing together at the guitar summit she produced. she toured and recorded with larry coryell. i was just looking at her website again. not everything she's ever recorded is still available (that would be a huge feat for an instrumentalist) but most of her catalog is. one of the juiciest is a collection of the complete bach lute suites, transcribed for guitar. we have a copy at the office and it's a high-frequency play. highly recommended. one of the recordings with coryell and laurindo almeida is listed as out of print, but it's so recent you could probably find a used copy on amazon. patrick np - the ying quartet - michael torke - corner in manhattan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:01:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joan Baez Remembers High Times, High Stress njc The New York Times April 9, 2002 Joan Baez Remembers High Times, High Stress By PETER MARKS http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/09/arts/music/09BAEZ.html?ex=1019395268&ei=1& en=b4eee4922d9b2c9e ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:07:56 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joan Baez Remembers High Times, High Stress (NJC) An interesting article in today's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/09/arts/music/09BAEZ.html You have to sign in, but it's a good read. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Rededication, njc One of my internet buddies on the Olympus camera collector's list recently moved to Florida (USA). He's posting weekly about the new sights in the southeastern corner of the USA, only miles from the Keys and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Yesterday, he wrote a post called "What A Sight": === "I was driving down the road today, headed roughly east. On the horizon I see what looks like flames. They start rising in the distance. It's about 4:45 PM Eastern time. Oh yes, the shuttle. As I drove along I watched the shuttle climb higher and higher, shooting tongues of flame until it passed out of view. What a sight." === He's describing a launch today of the "Space Shuttle Atlantis", an American space craft, commanded by a Russian. Yury Onufrienko will rendezvous with and provide building blocks for the International Space Station. The government types at NASA call this mission "STS-110", but I want to dedicate this flight in more personal manner. This flight is hereby dedicated, by all the power vested in me as a Student of humanity, to all people who's lives are disrupted today by violence. Let this flight serve as a beacon to Jews (hi Uncle Norm), Palestinians (hi Arshad), Protestants (hi Lom), Catholics (hey Dunning), Hindus (hey Sari), atheists (Belle) and Hari Krishnas (kudos, Beatle George) everywhere. Let's do something positive together. It doesn't have to be a science project, but really, consult your Greatest Wisdom and look at your neighbors. Get behind something *positive* and do it well. Let's light up the sky with science and beauty. Lama, channeling for Pollyanna yet I couldn't be more serious. Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:12:59 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: birds njc mags Mags, I bet the bald eagle was magnificent. Thanks for sharing that. I long to see one myself. Maybe someday. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:19:04 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: birds njc Suze, you are so bad. I, too, love chicken on my plate. Except those that are pets. When a child I made every one such. We got some brightly colored bantam mix chicks then and my brother Paul and Johnny, and my sister Cathy each adopted one as our own. All except Johnny picked a hen but we didn't know that then. It became apparent tht Johnny picked a rooster as they grew. One night at supper it was revealed we were eating Johnny's rooster. He didn't eat and still doesn't like chicken. Wasn't funny but such were the realities of life. I now have an incubator full of eggs and soon the little darlings will be here. Pretty excited for love nothing better than baby chicks. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:22:26 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: sex kills njc I, though initially not wild about Turbulent Indigo, started listening to it again after hearing the posts on it a while back. I now can say that I like it muchly and Sex Kills is one of my favorites. Seems so real, so urban, and so lifelike. Brings excitement to me when I listen to it. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:30:14 -0700 From: shane Subject: gruff diamond revisited (njc) admitted problems to the url for the gruff diamond neil young article one more try... http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4388733,00.html shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ************************************** you sang for me like the seagulls in their homeless liberty just floating on the dayspring in their sighing daydreams... - -from 'sandefjord' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 21:49:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sex Kills <> Very true, Ken...she turned "Be Cool" into the swing thing that many other singers already knew it was. But if she tries to swing "Sex Kills"...well, it'll be high crime against humanity! Surely that's not what you mean...say it ain't so, Joe! :~) I'd love to see her use an orchestra subtly like XTC did on their wonderwork "Apple Venus" (or like she did on Court & Spark)as opposed to the behemoth monster that engulfed BSN like The Blob. However, my gut feeling is telling me that this is not her intent. Bob NP: Kiki Dee, "Carey" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #152 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?