From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, March 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 138 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 27 [les@jmdl.com] Re: A.I. NJC [colin ] Liza 'n' Elton..njc [Gordon Mackie ] Re: (njc) Smart This&That [colin ] Re: Liza 'n' Elton..njc [colin ] Sherrelle's Voice NJC [colin ] joni mention [Deb Messling ] Janis Ian's latest - njc [Jerry Notaro ] Rufus - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Liza 'n' Elton..njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: A.I. NJC [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: New CD Player (NJC) [Lori in MD ] Re: AI (NJC) ["Garret" ] test ignore njc [colin ] "Rare" DOG EAT DOG on eBay - "MINT in original shrinkwrap" [Lori in MD ] RE: Diana Krall in Chicago -njc ["patrick leader" ] Re: Happy Birthday SUE!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] 'Bye..... (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: (njc)Artificial Intelligence and human arrogance, andtossing away the no longer fresh, new, useful... [] Re: judy kuhn cabaret review - jc [] RE: Bonnie Raitt's I Can't Make you Love Me-njc [] Joni and Fred (SJC) [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:10:58 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 27 On March 27 the following article was published: 1998: "Morning Becomes Eclectic" - KCRW-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980327mbe.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:12:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A.I. NJC > Reuben again: But that's what was so ironic about it. We're too fragile and fleeting for our own good! Our bodies couldn't possibly last long enough to sort it all out. Our impending demise keeps us from achieving (not in all cases, of course, but generally speaking...)what we have the ability to achieve. some of us think that this lifespan is not all we have to 'sort it out'. The reasons you give are precisely why i think our consciousness lives on. Life for us is far too short to have any meaning. > I thought it was a cool idea... > > Reuben - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:58:20 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Liza 'n' Elton..njc Lindsay Dont know if you heard this recent quote from Elton John. He was asked what he wished for Liza and her new marriage. 'A heterosexual husband' was his reply. Not sure if he was making comment on her new husband, marriage in general or his own marriage, but it made me laugh Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:15:29 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: (njc) Smart This&That because investigators were the ones who took them thru. Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > > > i.e., ways to keep terrorists > > > from slipping through our borders. > > > > according to news yesterday, 70% of knives got thru > > security at airports and 30% > > of guns. > > How do they know, if they got through security? > > ______________________________________________________________________ > File your taxes online! http://taxes.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:18:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Liza 'n' Elton..njc liza has had 2 gay husbands previously, so i am told. Gordon Mackie wrote: > Lindsay > > Dont know if you heard this recent quote from Elton John. He was > asked what he wished for Liza and her new marriage. 'A heterosexual > husband' was his reply. Not sure if he was making comment on her new > husband, marriage in general or his own marriage, but it made me laugh > > Gordon - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:24:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: Sherrelle's Voice NJC I am listening to sherrelle's cd right now. What a voice!!!!!! I particulalry like Eleonor Rigby. Showing my ignorance, is this Jazz type music? Not my favourite style but i am sure this voice can sing anything! I don't know the first song bit it reminded immediately of Joni(al la Mingus). Love the music to Walk On By. Not the Walk On By I was expecting! Surely Sherrelle will go a long way?This cd sound like an established recording artiste. Don't you forget me when you are rich and famous(especially when you are rich!) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:13:31 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: joni mention In the latest issue of Family Circle, back page, there is an article by a wheelchair-confined polio survivor which starts and ends by quoting "Morning Morgantown." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:28:01 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Janis Ian's latest - njc Have to chime in and say I have been a huge Janis Ian fan for many years. I saw her twice this year and she only gets better with every show. Her cd's are always a revelation. Jerry np: Eva Cassidy - Over the Rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:33:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Rufus - NJC Rufus Wainwright is appearing at the House of Blues in Orlando on May 4th. Any Floridians, or further away, interested? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:38:38 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Liza 'n' Elton..njc Gordon Mackie wrote: > Lindsay > > Dont know if you heard this recent quote from Elton John. He was > asked what he wished for Liza and her new marriage. 'A heterosexual > husband' was his reply. Not sure if he was making comment on her new > husband, marriage in general or his own marriage, but it made me laugh > > Gordon Between Judy and Liza's 8 husbands, I think 3 were straight. Definitely NOT straight is Liza's newest. Hey Gordon, any relation to Bob? Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:25:06 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: A.I. NJC Standard Time, colin writes: some of us think that this lifespan is not all we have to 'sort it out'. The reasons you give are precisely why i think our consciousness lives on. Life for us is far too short to have any meaning.<< As do I! (Raised Swedenborgian here...)I didn't feel that spirituality played much of a part in this, though (of course not...as as been pointed out - he's a robot). Having said that, I now wonder if part of the sadness for me came from that lack of spirituality in the robots...waiting patiently for eons for the blue fairy was the really the only option for the boy - he had no beyond to look forward to. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 07:11:03 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: New CD Player (NJC) Coyote Rick wrote: > This thing is amazing. You can hook a computer keyboard into the > front of it and key in the artist name and other information for 400 > discs. Handy as hell. Hey Rick, I have the same CD player (made by Sony, right?), and it is amazing. I love being able to dial up Joni and play her albums, in order from the beginning, or with the songs shuffled. I love your 8 groups, btw. Mary talked me into grouping her collection of classical music by type of instrument, and we rarely listen to any of it. I think I might go with a variation of your idea! Lori ~ Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:36:46 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: AI (NJC) I've greatly enjoyesd reading the differing thoughts on AI, let me throw in my own thougths on the matter. I was pretty passive about this movie; i didn't love it, i didn't hate it. Well acted, good effects. I did, however, think that it was aiming towards some far off and lofty place that it never quite reached. The film had a lot of potential and could have dipped a hand wonderfully into modern philosophy and cognitive science. It didn't qutie manage this. I felt that it was reflecting current trends in thought and can be considered in some ways very controversial. Ultimately i felt it wasn't so much about the technology being "alive" as being "intelligent" (as the title states). For me, the potential of this movie involved the bringing forth - in an explicit way or not - of questions and postulates about teh nature of intelligence, and i was quite excited about that prospect; do you have to be human (or biological) to possess intelligence? is intelligence synonomous with the brain? Is intelligence equal to the thought processes and other mental events that we carry out internally, and if so can we programme a piece of technology to be intelligent if we can programme it to repeat the same steps that we take during thinking? Are computesr carrying out a mere set of preprogrammed steps or algorithms or are they actually capable of thought? If computers/technology can be designed to emulate human thought and intelligence, this creates a uniquely modern way of examining the human condition. But as i say, i don't think it quite reached this potential. Perhaps this wasn't even the underlying aim, this is just the way in which i interpreted the premise of AI; perhaps that explains why i was slightly disappointed:) GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:29:44 +0000 From: colin Subject: test ignore njc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 15:15:45 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: "Rare" DOG EAT DOG on eBay - "MINT in original shrinkwrap" Less than an hour left, folks! : ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=853085540 Lori ~ Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:09:38 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: judy kuhn cabaret review - jc hi folks: i'm back. more on that later. this in today's ny times. jerry notaro, a couple other jmdlers and i saw a show here in ny, a laura nyro revue, that kuhn was in. she was terrific! wish i'd seen this show. In a Debut, a Broadway Singer Makes an Art of Insight By STEPHEN HOLDEN It is the rare singer who can negotiate the tricky, stream-of-consciousness folk-pop lyrics of Joni Mitchell, the art songs of Adam Guettel and traditional popular standards like "Come Rain or Come Shine" with equal insight and authority. But Judy Kuhn, the Broadway singer who has appeared in "Chess," "Les Misirables" and "She Loves Me," did exactly that in her revelatory cabaret debut at the Kaplan Penthouse at Lincoln Center on Saturday evening. Ms. Kuhn, who performed with a pop-jazz trio led by the pianist Jeffrey Klitz, has a clear sweet voice with a slightly metallic edge that she flexes along a stylistic continuum that runs from Laura Nyro to Betty Buckley, while shying away from their dramatic extremes. The material was arranged into a loosely knit song cycle beginning with Tom Waits's "I Don't Want to Grow Up" and ending with Ms. Nyro's "And When I Die," about a restless woman's decision to settle down and have a child and the joys and fears that kind of commitment entails. The turning point of the show and the concert's most inspired moment was Ms. Kuhn's version of "Let the Wind Carry Me," from Ms. Mitchell's album "Court and Spark." Ms. Kuhn found every psychological nuance in the feverish meditation of a boy-crazy teenager who fantasizes about becoming pregnant and whose rebellious attitude fuels some bitter cross-fire between her indulgent father and puritanical mother. - -- patrick (leader) np - lee brouwer - guitar concerto #6 "helsinki" [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:20:13 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Diana Krall in Chicago -njc >In Cincinnati it was Bonnie Raitt's hit she had a few years ago. Again,I >don't know the title. A very melodic song with lyrics..turn down the >bed,turn down the lights..... > bree, that's 'i can't make you love me' a beautiful raitt ballad. it's becoming a bit of a standard, there's a terrific version sung by prince, and my favorite, even more than bonnie's version, is by george michael. yep, i admit it. patrick (leader) np - lee brouwer - guitar concerto #6 "helsinki" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:31:26 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Birthday SUE!!! (NJC) Man what is it with you and bloodys and on both coasts too??? Have you ever done them on the south coast? Get your ass (es) down here to visit (Sue and Alison and JMDL'ers everywhere) Speaking of which there are a few headed this way for my BDAYBASH, which will not only feature celebrity musicians but also celebrity chefs this year. We decided to give old Fred a break this year (normally she is the ONLY celeb chef). If anyone is on the neighbourhood, please drop by on Friday night for cocktails, music, and food. Love Paz NP-Trouble Child-Danzig and Wooley on 3/26/02 5:31 PM, Alison E at alisone4@yahoo.com wrote: > oh, boy, am i ever late. > HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY SUZE! > to my sister, who can hang on the streets of the > village, the sheeps meadow, my balcony...(damn, we > broke alot of laws!) and slam back bloody's with the > best of 'em! > miss you! > love you! > happy birthday, > alison e. > > --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: >> The very happiest of birthdays to Sue Cameron!! Hope >> your day was >> WONDERFUL!!! :-) >> >> Hugs, >> Ashara > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. > http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:40:01 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Birthday SUE!!! (NJC) Alluded???? Moi???? Mei no!!!! I NEVER allude! Then again "I am not above gossip and I'll sit on an" olympic flame "when honour is at stake? Paz NP-You Turn Me On (I'm a Radio)-Kim Carson and Bud Tower on 3/26/02 5:41 PM, Suze Cameron at suze_1@lycos.com wrote: > Alison wrote: >> HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY SUZE! >> to my sister, who can hang on the streets of the >> village, the sheeps meadow, > > O.k., I do believe Julius had more fun in the sheeps > meadow, but Paz has alluded to that before :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:13:24 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: judy kuhn cabaret review - jc Nice article, although I'm really surprised that Stephen Holden had his Mitchell facts wrong! "Let the Wind Carry Me" is, of course, from "For the Roses." At 07:09 PM 3/27/02 -0500, you wrote: >The turning point of the show and the concert's most inspired moment was Ms. >Kuhn's version of "Let the Wind Carry Me," from Ms. Mitchell's album "Court >and Spark." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:40:39 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: 'Bye..... (NJC) Just a quick note to say so long for a while. I'm off on holiday for a couple of weeks, and will sign back on to the list on my return. Happy Easter! Hell P.S. Don't talk about me while I'm gone..... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:03:28 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc)Artificial Intelligence and human arrogance, andtossing away the no longer fresh, new, useful... In a message dated 3/26/02 7:46:03 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << Or maybe they were "real" people and they thought Haley was the real one and that humans were the robots (or inferior race, or whatever.) >> Aha! Good catch, Catherine! Hadn't thought of that possibility. In any case, the story was definitely lacking in linear structure, but I think it was meant to be open to interpretation. best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:19:24 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: judy kuhn cabaret review - jc > The turning point of the show and the concert's most inspired moment > was Ms. Kuhn's version of "Let the Wind Carry Me," from Ms. Mitchell's > album "Court and Spark." > patrick (leader) But wasn't this song from Joni's FOR THE ROSES? gotta check the inlay details in my cd! I have heard of Judy Kuhn via SUNSET BOULEVARD (she played Betty Schaeffer to Glenn Close's Norma Desmond) and her song has this exquisite quality to it that I associate with Lea Salonga. And it was Judy Kuhn who sang the movie version of "Colors of the Wind" from POCAHONTAS, right? I wonder if Kuhn has solo CDs? Joseph (trying to be solemn this Holy Week) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:24:49 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: RE: Bonnie Raitt's I Can't Make you Love Me-njc >>In Cincinnati it was Bonnie Raitt's hit she had a few years ago. >>Again,I don't know the title. A very melodic song with lyrics..turn >>down the bed,turn down the lights..... >> > > bree, that's 'i can't make you love me' a beautiful raitt ballad. it's > becoming a bit of a standard, there's a terrific version sung by > prince, and my favorite, even more than bonnie's version, is by george > michael. yep, i admit it. I haven't heard of Bonnie Raitt's version of this song, but I heard Nancy Wilson's (not of Heart fame) version of this from her LOVE NANCY album. That album has a gospel feel to it where she had outstanding versions of "Love Won't Let Me Wait" and "Love Dance". Very highly recommended. The other version of the song I heard was from a Hollywood actress Maria Bello in this karaoke film DUETS with Gwyneth Paltrow and Huey Lewis. Bello's version was plaintive and quite touching. From what album of Raitt's did this song came from? Joseph (likes Bonnie Raitt's "Nick of Time" song) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:52:03 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Joni and Fred (SJC) Its nice to know and encounter people who come to you after listening to specific artists. One of my colleagues at the University directed Eve Ensler's "The Vagina Monologues" in the campus. Because she asked me to assist her during the three performances of the play, I naturally requested that I be assigned to assist in the sounds/music. I guess, its quite predictable that on the first performance, I played Joni's BLUE album while the guests and the audience were being shown their seats. I could see a lot of stares in my direction as "All I Want" progressed to "Little Green" to "The Last Time I Saw Richard". Many of those who were already in their seats, took time to come over to the control room and asked me the artist and album (most Filipinos do not know Joni at all). Naturally I gave them Joni's BLUE cd for inspection. I could sense the happiness from people when they stumble upon something they themselves discovered. Next night, I played Fred Simon's (yes, our very own Fred Simon) USUALLY/ALWAYS album, and maybe because the audience was quite different that night than the first night, those people who mustered enough courage to leave their seats and asked me where professors. Almost always they asked me if its available in the local Tower Records, and I told them to check out the internet instead. A few commented on the nice cover of Fred's album. On the last night, I played artists ranging from Mary Margaret O'Hara to John Pizzarelli to Tania Maria to Randy Vanwarmer. The questions were quite hard to deal this time because I am not sure if they referred to a song of the previous song or the one previous to that. Overall, it was quite a great experience for me to experiment sounds and meet people who connect to specific music. I don't know what kinds of people will go to the control room if I played Diamanda Galas! Joseph np: hum of the air con (its 33 degrees here in Manila!!) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #138 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?