From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #133 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 24 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 133 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (njc) Janis Ian -- guitar player, incredible lyricist and(!!!) a columnist? [colin ] Re: (njc) Janis Ian, and all of us, at seventeen! [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: (njc) Janis Ian , cont. [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Win a Mackie Dream Studio [mann@chicagonet.net] Happy Birthday!!! (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] (njc) Six Feet Under, My So-Called Life, etc. [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: six feet under NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Happy Birthday!!! (NJC) [Julius Raymond ] Happy Oscar Day/Vince Mendoza Content (NJC) [CoyoteRick@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 02:00:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian -- guitar player, incredible lyricist and(!!!) a columnist? > Mark E in Seattle > who never attended a prom or a high school reunion reading about you and mack and walt and bree has made me feel thoroughly miserable! On the positive, look how you all turned out. It doesn't make me feel better at all to know you all had it tough too. just makes me sadderto think such sensitive and good people got treated so badly. Thank God I am not a child anymore. It is why it doesn't shock me when i hear of a child going beserk with a gun at school. It is why Carrie had such an effect on me. Ageing is wonderful! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:28:50 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: six feet under NJC LMAO! Fred I love this show too. Ever since I have been on extended hiatus from JukeBox I have been watching entirely TOOOOOOOO much TV. I am totally hooked-lined-and-sinkered on 24. I just love that show too. I also have caught a few episodes of West Wing, which I think is done quite well for TV. Then there is CSI and The Agency. For someone who missed ALL of the 80's and 90's TV I feel like a total junkie. I do like the tape and watch later mode though so you can zoom thru the commercials and watch several in a row. Peace Michael on 3/23/02 2:03 PM, FredNow@aol.com at FredNow@aol.com wrote: > "Kate Bennett" writes: > >> ps my heart is breaking over gabe & claire & i am in love with keith >> ("because he loves her") > > A great scene, in which Claire is telling Keith about Gabe; actually, what he > says is "because she loves him" in answer to her brother's question about why > she hangs out with this loser. I love how nurturing Keith was. (By the way, > dig the juxtaposition with the film "Badlands.") > > I predict that Keith will go back to David, and that he will adopt or take in > his niece, his junkie sister's kid. That's what the psychic widow was > referring to when she said that she sees a child coming into someone's life, > meaning either Nate or David. > > I guess this must sound like some kind of soap opera to someone who's never > seen the show, but anyone who has seen it knows that it's a soap opera like > no other. I love this show. > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:59:16 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian, and all of us, at seventeen! In a message dated 3/23/02 4:08:30 PM, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << I was probably about 20 so around '75 would be right. I felt somewhat vindicated by the success of this song. It really felt good to hear someone express it so beautifully. Mark E in Seattle who never attended a prom or a high school reunion >> Wow!!! You remembered the whole lyric! God, seeing them all brings back how hard that song hit me the first time I heard it. I actually (gulp, blush) wept. The odd thing -- or, upon reflection, not really so odd -- is that I went to five proms. Honest to god. Some of my "dates" were girls I actually liked, some of them were friends of my sister's -- one of them is still a close friend of mine. But they all went with me (I think I asked two, and three asked me) because I was "safe" -- i.e., not likely to make a pass. True enough! Of the five proms, the one I had the most fun at was the last one, my sister Pat's senior prom (she was two years behind me in high school); she and her best friend rented jet black fifties-style cocktail dresses for themselves, and rented top hats and tails for me and Paul, a buddy of mine from college. My sister's friend, my date, was named "Carol". When the jock "usher" came to us and asked our names, we gave them as "Carol Burnett and her date, Walter Matthau". He had no reaction to the names -- hard to believe, even now -- and proceded to introduce us as such to all and sundry in the greeting line -- but just as we were about to be introduced to the Mayor and his wife, a former teacher of mine heard our "names", pulled us away and, giggling, scolded us. All of this -- our attire (dressed as we were, in '75, when pastel tuxedos and gowns were the style) and attitudes -- were my sister's and her friend's way of thumbing their noses at the jock-and-cheerleader aristocracy; it was fun, sort of, but all we got from the "target group" were puzzled stares. Ah, memories. I hadn't thought of that in years. I never have attended a high school reunion, either, Mark. Couldn't see the point. Peace, to nerds and non-nerds alike! Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:32:59 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian , cont. In a message dated 3/23/02 4:38:16 PM, Murphycopy writes: << They call and say 'Come dance with me' And murmur vague obscenities At ugly girls like me At seventeen (Janis Ian, "At Seventeen")>> (Bob) I wonder if Janis really felt this way, or if she was just writing about geeks in general. I always thought she was kinda cute! Besides, how many of the other kids with whom she interacted at that age could say they had experienced fame and had had a major hit ("Society's Child") long before they were 17 years old? (Walt) I seem to remember reading about her at various times, some back in the '70's and some more recently, and i think this song came from the heart. She wasn't miserable -- but her beauty wasn't of the blond-and-blue type, and being smart, as most of us who grew up in the U.S. know, is hardly a guarantee of happiness in the high school environment. Granted, she got that early fame from "Society's Child", but her second album flopped, and the third did worse, and so on until she took a break during college and came back with a vengeance, so to speak. << (Bob) I wonder -- what are her lyrics like these days? I don't think I ever really paid much attention to her after her "Society's Child" album came out. I do remember one song from that long-lost album, and I'm not going to even guess at the title, that had the lyrics that went something like this: Don't talk about sex You might get hexed God will punish you For your dirty mind It's no sin to enjoy a raping Just to find out the facts of life So you make it with your mind Pretty provocative stuff for a (I think) 13 year old in the 1960s. Is her current stuff worth checking out? >> (Walt) Yeah, you've got her age about right -- she was born Janis Eddy Fink (one can see sometimes why people change their names -- with a name like this, you sound like Wally's disingenuous friend from Leave It To Beaver) in 1950, so she was awfully young in, what, 65 or 66, when "Society's Child" came out. The most recent lyric I have at hand is a heartbreaking one she wrote about people with AIDS, called "When Angels Cry", from her "Revenge" album, 1995: Wait Your tired arms must rest Let this moment pass Wait until the morning Close your eyes and let me see who you used to be Left without a warning Who knew one so big could grow so small Lighter than the writing on the wall CHORUS When angels cry, can I stand by When stones weep, can my heart sleep Wish I'd never heard Wish I'd never heard Wish I'd never heard The power of a four letter word Only love will matter in the end For woman or for man What's the difference now? Here, we live with bottles and needles and truth Here is your living proof that death cannot be proud Some say it's a judgement on us all I can't believe that God could be that small CHORUS If ever was a heart that longed to fly If ever was a soul that longed to bloom If ever was an angel, it was you So close your eyes and say goodbye Goodbye When angels cry, I can't stand by When stones weep, my heart can't sleep Guess I've finally learned Guess I've finally learned Yes, I've finally learned Love is just a four letter word Hope is just a four letter word [Copyright 1995 Rude Girl Publishing BMI/Administered by Bug Music] (Back to me, now) Um, I have to go be by myself for awhile. hugs, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:50:39 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Win a Mackie Dream Studio No this isn't about Bob! No purchase necessary! One lucky winner will receive a Mackie 24-track Analog 8-Bus Console - complete with meter bridge - the flagship Mackie HDR 24/96 digital recorder loaded with three AIO78 interface cards, plus two THX-approved HR 824 Active Studio Monitors. To enter the Sweepstakes without ordering from Musicians Friend, send your name, address, city, state, zip code, phone number, and email address on a 3x5 index card in a business size (#10) envelope to Musicians Friend/Mackie 2002, P.O. Box 4520 Medford, OR 97501. Each entry must be mailed in a separate envelope. The entry, including addressing on the envelope, must be in entrants personal handwriting. Sweepstakes is open to legal U.S. residents, age 18 or over. Ends March 31, 2002 For more info on the Mackie Dream Studio Sweepstakes: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/j.pl/6024804 Can this be used at Jonifest??????? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:57:14 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday!!! (NJC) Waiting all day for the birthday fairy to arrive, but he must be awfully busy today. (I know how much he hates not being the first to say Happy Birthday.) The very happiest of birthdays to Sue Cameron!! Hope your day was WONDERFUL!!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 23:14:36 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Six Feet Under, My So-Called Life, etc. Kate said: <> Kate, just a quick note -- that *was* a great show -- put out by the same people who did "thirtysomething", later "Relativity" (which also died a quick death), and now "Once and Again", also in danger of cancellation. I guess people wanna see more "reality" TV. Vomit. If I wanted "reality", I'd turn the TV off. And occasionally, I do. Anyway, I can't remember the producers of all these show's names, but they're good, and usually their shows fail -- maybe they'd do better on cable, where they still take chances on iffy shows with complicated characters and plots (like Six Feet Under, and a new one on FX, I think, called "The Shield"). I never understood the complaints about "thirtysomething" being "whiny" -- what drama isn't, in some sense? hugs, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 23:26:33 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: six feet under NJC In a message dated 3/23/02 8:20:52 PM, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: >I do like the tape and watch later mode >though so you can zoom thru the commercials and watch several in a row. Taping is the only way to go. Especially if your VCR kips the commercials automatically; saves 15-20 minutes per hour. I hardly ever watch anything in real-time broadcast. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:49:42 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Happy Birthday!!! (NJC) Happy birthday, Sweet Sue C. May all your dreams come true... With love, Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:44:17 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Happy Oscar Day/Vince Mendoza Content (NJC) Hey Gang: Just got it from a little Oscar soiree here in LA hosted by a new pal of mine that's up for a big, big award. Note the time: 10PM, LA time -- they have to look pretty tomorrow! It's an exciting time to be Hollywood, now that Oscar is home! The Kodak will be unveiled in all its glory and we members of Hollywood Heritage (the local architectural and cultural conservancy group) are delighted! It's about time. Anywho, the other reason for writing is to submit something for filing under *just to be sure you know.* I recently acquired the new Robbie Williams CD, *Swing When You're Winning.* The first cut was orchestrated by our own Vince Mendoza and performed (and written) by Williams and the London Session Orchestra led by Gavyn Wright. Although my least favorite cut on the CD, its orchestration is really quite good. This was a major move in work for Robbie and I think he has done a commanding job. His version of *Beyond the Sea* is absolutely wonderful to my ears. A few friends from England were visiting this week and felt he really made a major career move with this work. His live performance of the standards contained on this CD at the Albert was amazing they tell me. The one-night-only concert recording is available on DVD - which I promptly ordered. If you like the work of Sinatra, Martin, and Davis, I, without reservation, recommend Robbie's new venture. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #133 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?