From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #132 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, March 23 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 132 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 23 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 23 [les@jmdl.com] Ryan Adams gig @ The Electric Factory in Philly njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: (njc)My (shudder) voice [colin ] Re: (njc) You gotta love the World Weekly News! (content warning -- vaguely sexual, and VERY silly) [] Re: women guitarists njc i guess [Catherine McKay ] Women in Jazz [Michael Paz ] Re: This JUST in!!!!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Ryan Adams gig @ The Electric Factory in Philly njc [Michael Paz ] Re: (njc) Janis Ian -- guitar player, incredible lyricist and (!!!) a columnist? ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: joni's drawing on the logo ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Copyrights and logos - NJC ["hell" ] Re: SUVs and dogs (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Ryan Adams gig @ The Electric Factory in Philly njc [RoseMJoy@aol.co] Re: Copyrights and logos - NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: on diana krall & joni's managers (njc) ["Kakki" ] njc Liza [FredNow@aol.com] Re: njc Liza ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: six feet under NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Pat Metheny njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: njc Liza [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Copyrights and logos - NJC [Monafitz@aol.com] Re: six feet under NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Copyrights and logos - NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] (njc)Swoony Argentinian Park Ranger, and 3rd Assistant B-day Fairy reporting in, SIR! [BigWa] SUZE ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: (njc) Janis Ian [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: (njc) Janis Ian [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: six feet under NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (njc) Janis Ian -- guitar player, incredible lyricist and (!!!) a columnist? ["Mark or Travis" ] my so called life njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: janis ian-geeks, njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: (njc) Janis Ian [colin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:28:34 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 23 On March 23 the following articles were published: 1995: "Performance: Joni Mitchell" - Rolling Stone (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/950323rs.cfm 2000: "Elton John, More Set For Joni Mitchell Tribute" - MTV.com (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000323mtv.cfm 2000: "Sharps and Flats" - Salon.com (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000323s.cfm 2000: "Stars pay tribute to Joni Mitchell" - Toronto Sun (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000323ts.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:28:34 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 23 On March 23 in Joni Mitchell History: 1988: "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm" released. Check the link for a couple of photos considered, but not used, for the cover of the album. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/AlternateCover88A.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:35:47 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Ryan Adams gig @ The Electric Factory in Philly njc Ryan feckin rocked the factory with his "Factory Girl"! He thoroughly enjoyed himself, as we did him. Despite the little bastard being late coming on stage, the audience waited patiently. He played some lying down on the floor LMAO! Love Ryan. I was turned on ;~) Too not sober to post now. More tomorrow. Rose, safely home in Noo Joisey after missing the last train back home. thanks Ryan and thanks Nikki for the ride home forever grateful XXOO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 10:12:25 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: (njc)My (shudder) voice BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/22/02 12:59:49 PM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > > << At 6'6" you must have a low,low voice? ;-) >> > > Let's put it this way -- when I say hello (to anyone), I get subsonic answers > from the elephants at the S.F. Zoo -- asking me *please* not to sing anymore. > Even are 21 years, I have difficulty hearing John somtimes. when he speaks, it is a rumble! His voice is quiet too which does not help! The amount of times I have to say 'pardon?' Mind you he's sound silly with a higher voice! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:58:03 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) You gotta love the World Weekly News! (content warning -- vaguely sexual, and VERY silly) About Saddam Hussein, Walt writes: << Or sometimes we'd just take bubble bathstogether and watch old gladiator movies. >> I thought that South Park movie had a ring of truth . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:48:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: women guitarists njc i guess - --- Marian wrote: > Don't forget Patty Larkin! Wow - that woman can > really play the guitar - > and she uses open tunings, too. She ought to be in > the top ten. > > Marian Patty Larkin is amazing. I just "discovered" her recently, I can't remember how. I'm amazed at her guitar technique and her wonderful lyrics. She also has a couple of books out - a songbook and one on ... her guitar technique! I really want that one when I scan scrape a few sous together. You can get info on this at her website called, strangely enough www.pattylarkin.com (who'da thunkit?) ______________________________________________________________________ File your taxes online! http://taxes.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:03:34 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Women in Jazz Here is something I thought many of you would be interested in that I received from one of my news groups. Peace Michael The "BET On Jazz" cable TV channel (carried locally by Cox) will be dedicating Saturday, 3/30 and Sunday, 3/31 to Women In Jazz. All day Saturday they will feature various documentaries and concert performances, and Sunday they will air a 12 hour block of "Jazz Central" (a concert series taped at the BET studios) dedicated to women in jazz. The full line-up is appended below. regards, ~ greg / satchmo.com #### BET ON JAZZ -- (times listed are Eastern, subtract 1 hour for Central / NOLA time zone) Saturday, March 30th 6am, 2pm, 10pm Classic Concerts Eartha Kitt 7am, 3pm, 11pm Classic Concerts Dee Dee Bridgewater: A Tribute to Ella Fitzgerald 8am, 4pm, 12am Documentary Mabel Mercer: A Singer's Song 9am, 5pm, 1am Documentary Ladies Sing the Blues 10am, 6pm, 2am Not Just Jazz The Intimate Art: Alberta Hunter 11am, 7pm, 3am Not Just Jazz Nina Simone 12pm, 8pm, 4am Special: Shirley Bassey: Divas are Forever (2 hours) Sunday, March 31st 12pm Jazz Central Mimi Fox 1pm Jazz Central Diana Krall 2pm Jazz Central Carol Weisman 3pm Jazz Central Diana Reeves 4pm Jazz Central Rachelle Ferrell 5pm Jazz Central Sapphron Obois 6pm Jazz Central Connie Florence 7pm Jazz Central Betty Carter Pt. 1 8pm Jazz Central Betty Carter Pt. 2 9pm Jazz Central Maysa 10pm Jazz Central Keiko Matsui 11pm Jazz Central Abbey Lincoln ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:09:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: This JUST in!!!!!! (NJC) Dear J.R. AKA F.U.C.K.O. Sorry if I caught you with your pantses down! Love Paz P.S. Please leave your sheep at home when you come to Jazz Fest. on 3/22/02 12:47 AM, Julius Raymond at jrmills@pacbell.net wrote: > Haha, Mikey, very funny. Ewe wish! > > It doesn't seem fair that New Orleans is known just for jazz and crawfish > when there's this quaint "barnyard" humour among its inbred population. No > justice, no peace... But you forgot to work the word "bresteses" into the > article, chief! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:30:36 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: LOVE njc I too could not be happier for you SqueezeBeeBox Girl. Your words were positively jumping up and down on the page. I guess it is my obsession with the Parker Concert Fly that made me think it was the squeeze box or maybe I am just a Little Green with envy. I HAVE been thinking of love a lot lately for many reasons. One of them- Last night I went out to dinner on the Riverboat Natchez with my friend Dave Andrews (aka Pops). He had invited me to join him over a month ago to help celebrate his wife Lucille's (aka actress Ruth Evans) birthday (she would have been 76 yesterday). Tragically Lucille died of a heart attack in NYC about 10 days ago and of course my friend Pops was just devastated. He called me about a week ago and told me we were all going out to celebrate anyways. It was a wonderful evening and I got to see a lot of pics of Lucille on the theater stage and here stories about her and I could just feel the love that was still there strong as ever. Lucille still made the trip in ash form and in a cardboard box, but we passed her around and drank Margaritas and toasted her often and while it was all just a little weird and we got some strange looks from a few people, it felt good and right and it was obvious that Pops needed it. Can't wait to meet Katherine this summer and wish you guys all the happiness in the world. Love Paz P.S. Does your accordion know??? on 3/22/02 7:37 AM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/22/2002 9:44:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, > sharonbuffington@attbi.com writes: > > >> I AM head over heels in love and while I love my accordion (The Tart) my >> passions are quite different with a special person I met a while ago. > > This is AWESOME news!!! I can't wait to meet Katherine at Jonifest! I am > truly SOOOOOO very happy for you!!!! > > Hugs, > Ashara {who got kick out of the "boys" (Smurf and Paz) thinking you were in > love with your accordian! Where is your sense of romance, boys?) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:38:11 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Ryan Adams gig @ The Electric Factory in Philly njc WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! More info more info. Did he buy you drinks? Did he play Come Pick Me Up? A little more green, Paz on 3/23/02 12:35 AM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > Ryan feckin rocked the factory with his "Factory Girl"! He thoroughly enjoyed > himself, as we did him. Despite the little bastard being late coming on > stage, the audience waited patiently. He played some lying down on the floor > LMAO! Love Ryan. I was turned on ;~) > Too not sober to post now. More tomorrow. > > Rose, > safely home in Noo Joisey after missing the last train back home. > thanks Ryan and thanks Nikki for the ride home > forever grateful XXOO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:19:52 -0500 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: joni's drawing on the logo Dear Hell, no disrespect intended as I write this post: Hi everyone, Am I the only one thinking this?. . . We probably should not use Joni's original drawing (from ladies of the canyon albumn cover)incorporated into our logo design for the Jonifest. I am a little biased seeings I submitted a logo myself. Though, I thought the logos had to be original. How would Joni feel if we altered her composition and used her drawing for this? Shouldn't we ask her and get her permission if we use this logo? I think we should. It is the right thing to do. Also, consider the copyright issues. Everyone and other visual artists on the list. . . do you have any feelings about this? Sorry to go against the grain here. . . I think you all are terrific. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:10:18 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian -- guitar player, incredible lyricist and (!!!) a columnist? >"I learned the truth at seventeen >that love was meant for beauty queens >and [something] with clear-skinned smiles >who married young and then retired... >*Any* lines at random from this song are as brilliant and poignant as >these. >The feelings this song inspired in me and every other geek of either sex, All former Geeks and Geekettes unite! I played the very uncool clarinet in high school.(only to make my father happy because he was a jazz clarinetist) I had zits and wanted to be an actress.(or a nun) Oh yes,I liked Janis Joplin! It was very hard for me too....I had two older sisters that were popular,cheerleaders,the nuns couldn't stand me and loved them etc..this made it all the rougher. >when it came out in '75 (I think), are hard to describe -- my god, there's >someone who not only knows how I felt at that age Walt,I believe At Seventeen came out about 1967 or 1968. I know I was in grade school. It wasn't until years later that I could relate to this song. >schticks -- and when she sang "At Seventeen", he was clearly moved!! It >occurred to me only then that *Stern* had, of course, been a geek in high >school, too. Underneath all the shit.....Howard is an emotional basket-case. Very sensitive,he just tries to hide it. But it does show through every once in a great while. I missed this one with Janis Ian. Former Geekette, Bree (once one.. always one?) > >Warmly, > >Walt _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:30:10 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's drawing on the logo In a message dated 3/23/02 1:20:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: > Dear Hell, no disrespect intended as I write this post:... > How would Joni feel if we altered her composition and used her drawing for > this? > Shouldn't we ask her and get her permission if we use this logo? I think > we > should. It is the right thing to do. Also, consider the copyright issues. Although I am a litigator and only have an intellectual interest in Intellectual Property and Patent & Copyright Law, my instincts tell me this is a no-no. However, given Ashara's attention to detail, I just gotta believe this issue has been resolved, no? Mona L. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:00:40 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Women in Jazz Thanks PAZ!!! I will have the recorder going!! Damn Abbey Lincoln and of course Diana. I just finished reading a article on Abbey in "Insiders Connection" This woman has been around since the 1950's and started writing her own stuff in the early 1970's. She does a version of Dylan's "Hey Mr. Tambourine Man." I just bet her interpretation is wonderful. I wonder if she has covered any Joni? BOB? Thanks, Bree >Sunday, March 31st > >12pm Jazz Central Mimi Fox >1pm Jazz Central Diana Krall >2pm Jazz Central Carol Weisman >3pm Jazz Central Diana Reeves >4pm Jazz Central Rachelle Ferrell >5pm Jazz Central Sapphron Obois >6pm Jazz Central Connie Florence >7pm Jazz Central Betty Carter Pt. 1 >8pm Jazz Central Betty Carter Pt. 2 >9pm Jazz Central Maysa >10pm Jazz Central Keiko Matsui >11pm Jazz Central Abbey Lincoln _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:42:43 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: joni's drawing on the logo Mona: Under the patent or copyright laws of the United States." Section 4966 of the Revised Statutes reads as follows: "Any person publicly performing or representing any dramatic composition for which a copyright has been obtained, without the consent of the proprietor thereof, or his heirs or assigns, shall be liable for damages therefor, such damages in all cases to be assessed at such sum, not less than one hundred dollars for the first, and fifty dollars for every subsequent performance, as to the court shall appear to be just." Naturally a copyright holder has a monopoly limited to specified "exclusive" rights in her copyrighted works. If a person, without authorization from the copyright holder, puts a copyrighted work to a use within the scope of one of certain 'exclusive rights,' she infringes the copyright. If she puts the work to a use not enumerated in ' 1, she does not infringe." 392 U.S., at 393-395. If nothing is done for monetary gain...or to detract from Miss Mitchell's sales I do not think there is a problem. That notwithstanding, Helen's depiction could be considered "fair use". When all is said and done this could be considered "de minimis non curat lex". It may be advisable to seek permission from Ms. Mitchell. I stated earlier that I shared some of your concerns. Mine however stem more from believing that Helen's artistic license is fairly insignificant and would fail to rise to the level of an unfettered replication of Miss Mitchell's copyright. It really all comes down to whether there is a substantial similarity. And again, I would apply the de minimus argument along with fair use. Monafitz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/23/02 1:20:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, > treegreen1@hotmail.com writes: > > Dear Hell, no disrespect intended as I write this post:... > > How would Joni feel if we altered her composition and used her drawing for > > this? > > Shouldn't we ask her and get her permission if we use this logo? I think > > we > > should. It is the right thing to do. Also, consider the copyright issues. > > Although I am a litigator and only have an intellectual interest in > Intellectual Property and Patent & Copyright Law, my instincts tell me this > is a no-no. However, given Ashara's attention to detail, I just gotta > believe this issue has been resolved, no? > > Mona L. Fitzgerald > monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:59:25 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: case NJC For those of you interested...you may want to read this case which provides that a copyright gives no exclusive right to the art disclosed; protection is given only to the expression of the idea -- not the idea itself. MAZER ET AL. v. STEIN ET AL. (03/08/54) SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES. No. 228 1954.SCT.40277 347 U.S. 201, 74 S. Ct. 460, 98 L. Ed. 630 decided: March 8, 1954. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:00:25 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Copyrights and logos - NJC > Am I the only one thinking this?. . . We probably should not use Joni's > original drawing (from ladies of the canyon albumn cover)incorporated into > our logo design for the Jonifest. When the call first went out for logos, no mention was made of the need to be "entirely" original. I thought it was appropriate to use an image of Joni, drawn by Joni, on an album of music by Joni, for a get-together of people celebrating the life, art and music of Joni. Then Ashara sent out the message about no copyrighted pictures, so I immediately asked her to withdraw my first design. I'd already done another (the picket fence - Entry No. 4) but since I'd used no image of Joni, I decided to do one more - Entry No. 8 - which (FYI) is entirely original. I was surprised to see my original entry on the competition page, but Ashara assured me that it did NOT breach the copyright laws. If there are continued objections over the use of my logo, then I ask Ashara to withdraw it immediately and go with whichever design got the second-most votes. Helen ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:04:18 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: SUVs and dogs (njc) >a man was imprisoned after setting his dog on his ex-partner in the >street. In this last case an off-duty cop saw the incident and shot the >dog, the only way to get it off the victim. The law here says that >muzzles must be worn but not many people take any notice. The streets are >full of generally 'poor white trash' racist skinhead airhead dickhead >types with their killer dogs. And the police sit in the bars sipping >their anis If one were going to travel to Spain,should they skip Barcelona? An acquaintance visited not long ago,and said she would never go back. I don't know if it was Madrid or Barcelona that she was referring to,but said it was not an enjoyable time and it was a very dirty city. I usually do not take one persons opinion on anything. Also,maybe some of the people there should be the ones forced to where the muzzles when ever entertaining the thought of going outdoors? Bree NP:Beatles..The Fool On The Hill > >mike in bcn > >np kepa junkera > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:11:07 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ryan Adams gig @ The Electric Factory in Philly njc In a message dated 3/23/02 12:30:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: > WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! More info more info. Did he > buy you drinks? Did he play Come Pick Me Up? > Leona Naess opened up for him. It was really funny when in the beginning of this love she was singing this leather masked guy walks out on the stage with a huge diaper on. Leona was cracking up with a buzz from the night before at the Roseland. Ryan was on the sidelines LHAO She amazingly continued with the song, how she did it, I honestly don't know. When she left the stage, Ryan gave her a big hug and a smooch. Ryan finally stumbled on the stage at around 10:30 carrying this huge white flag clad in flare legged blue jeans, plaid shirt, and a black leather jacket wearing shades and sensuously smoking a cigarette. He opened with this bluesy Doors like song, dunno the name of the song. My guess is it's new. He reminded me a lot of a young Jim Morrison. He played about 13 songs for a good 1 1/2 - 2hrs. Some of the songs on the setlist: Tina Toledo Answering Bell Nobody Girl Firecracker Silver & Gold Touch, Feel and Lose New York, New York (slow version) Somehow, Someday Harder Now That it's Over for the encore... an awesome cover of "Brown Sugar" This was my first Live Ryan concert, so I've got nothing to compare it to. Overall I thought it was an amazing show. His drummer is awesome btw! I left happier than a pig in shit. It was well worth the three trains I had to link up with to get to the Temple University Station to meet Nikki. We froze our asses off, but YES, I'd do it again. And no, he didn't buy me a drink Paz:( I had quite a few spilled on me . I did manage to get his attention :~) They checked my bag on the way in, do you believe it? Moi Good thing I didn't smuggle my camera in, but I so envied those photographers dead front center stage. I did manage to scarf up an unobstructed view at the top of the stairwell being guarded by an EF employee leading down to the stage area. Can't wait for the new album. love, rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:49:33 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Copyrights and logos - NJC Hell, I loved your logo (loved all of the submissions, too) and my non-legal opinion is that there should not be a problem using it in a non-commercial way for the attendees of Jonifest. Now if t-shirts, posters, handbills with your logo started being sold on eBay or other websites, that would be another question but I assume that is no one's future intention. Kakki > If there are continued objections over the use of my logo, then I ask Ashara > to withdraw it immediately and go with whichever design got the second-most > votes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:58:26 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: on diana krall & joni's managers (njc) Bree wrote: > Have you seen D.K. perform live Kakki? Her enthusiasm for what she is > doing up on stage is just so infectious. I have not yet seen her perform live but wished I could when she has been in L.A. the past couple of years. Something always conflicted in my schedule. I hope to see her in the future, preferably in a small venue. > Her niceness really came through. Not a bit uppity. She was really > thrilled that *we* came to see her. And when I gave her the roses her > expression was like.......Shit, for me!! Genuinely humble!! This woman > amazes me. What a wonderful experience for you! I've been blown away at how nice and humble in person some artists can be, especially Joni. There have also been a couple of my longtime favorites who caused such disillusionment in person that I'd rather have not met them! (No names ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:12:42 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Verdict NJC Sharon wrote: > It will be interesting to see what the sentence will be for Knoller. I > must say I was surprised the jury convicted her of second-degree > murder. I am heartened by the verdict. I fully expected the other four > counts to play out as they did. I was also very heartened by it. I've served on two jury panels in that particular courthouse (once as foreperson) and to say it can be a "truth is stranger than fiction" experience is an understatement. Just as people should never see how hot dogs are made, they should never see how some verdicts are reached - yeesch! > I only hope this stands up on appeal. Being an appellate attorney I > have concerns. But...hey...it is California after all. :) I completely understand your concerns. I saw some of the celebrity legal "analysts" all come on the TV shows right after the verdict and hope none of them maneuver themselves into any appeal proceedings. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:48:24 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: njc Liza "Bree Mcdonough" writes: >I heard Liza just got her 3 octave back. I'm very sorry to hear about this. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:57:14 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc Liza Are you being facetious, Mr.Fred? Or you just don't like Liza M.? Or did I get the three octave wrong? Bree (who not always gets it) >I heard Liza just got her 3 octave back. > >I'm very sorry to hear about this. > >-Fred _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:03:48 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: six feet under NJC "Kate Bennett" writes: >ps my heart is breaking over gabe & claire & i am in love with keith >("because he loves her") A great scene, in which Claire is telling Keith about Gabe; actually, what he says is "because she loves him" in answer to her brother's question about why she hangs out with this loser. I love how nurturing Keith was. (By the way, dig the juxtaposition with the film "Badlands.") I predict that Keith will go back to David, and that he will adopt or take in his niece, his junkie sister's kid. That's what the psychic widow was referring to when she said that she sees a child coming into someone's life, meaning either Nate or David. I guess this must sound like some kind of soap opera to someone who's never seen the show, but anyone who has seen it knows that it's a soap opera like no other. I love this show. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:07:39 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Pat Metheny njc "Kate Bennett" writes: >Life affirming, yes! And, I confess that I >am not that much of a jazz follower or very knowledgeable about much of the >genre...but Metheny & Mays are something not to be missed in this lifetime. Like all the best music, it transcends genre. I honestly don't even think of them as jazz (and I suppose some jazz purists don't, either, albeit for the wrong reasons). Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:16:41 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: njc Liza Oh, it's probably just me, but 3 octaves of Liza is 3 too many for me. (insert emoticon here) Fred In a message dated 3/23/02 3:57:31 PM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: >Are you being facetious, Mr.Fred? Or you just don't like Liza M.? Or >did I >get the three octave wrong? > >Bree (who not always gets it) > >>I heard Liza just got her 3 octave back. >> >>I'm very sorry to hear about this. >> >>-Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:21:41 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: Copyrights and logos - NJC In a message dated 3/23/02 4:07:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > If there are continued objections over the use of my logo, then I ask Ashara > to withdraw it immediately and go with whichever design got the second-most > votes. > > Helen > Hey Helen, withdraw your design? Naah, no way. The lawyer in some of us, are just watching your back is all. Objection, over ruled!! Cheers, Mona Mona L. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:41:27 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: six feet under NJC Six Feet Under is one of my favorite shows. I also confess to liking CSI...I know... I know....keep it down....but I lurv them both. :) FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > "Kate Bennett" writes: > > >ps my heart is breaking over gabe & claire & i am in love with keith > >("because he loves her") > > A great scene, in which Claire is telling Keith about Gabe; actually, what he > says is "because she loves him" in answer to her brother's question about why > she hangs out with this loser. I love how nurturing Keith was. (By the way, > dig the juxtaposition with the film "Badlands.") > > I predict that Keith will go back to David, and that he will adopt or take in > his niece, his junkie sister's kid. That's what the psychic widow was > referring to when she said that she sees a child coming into someone's life, > meaning either Nate or David. > > I guess this must sound like some kind of soap opera to someone who's never > seen the show, but anyone who has seen it knows that it's a soap opera like > no other. I love this show. > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:23:15 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: liza njc just the opposite for me. can't get enough liza but jazz, nope. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:43:05 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Copyrights and logos - NJC ORDER IN THE COURT!!! res ipsa loquitur. We have looked at this de novo...and you ain't going' nowhere girl! Love and peace...Sharon Monafitz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/23/02 4:07:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz > writes: > > > If there are continued objections over the use of my logo, then I ask Ashara > > to withdraw it immediately and go with whichever design got the second-most > > votes. > > > > Helen > > > > Hey Helen, withdraw your design? Naah, no way. The lawyer in some of us, > are just watching your back is all. Objection, over ruled!! Cheers, Mona > Mona L. Fitzgerald > monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:39:11 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Verdict is in - Case closed In a message dated 3/23/02 5:32:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, sharonbuffington@attbi.com writes: > ORDER IN THE COURT!!! res ipsa loquitur. We have looked at this de > novo...and you ain't going' nowhere girl! > > Love and peace...Sharon > The Judge has spoken, the verdict is in. Helen's logo stays. Case closed. Appeals? Email appellate Atty. Sharon Buffington. Cheers, Mona Mona L. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:41:02 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) You gotta love the World Weekly News! (content warning -- vaguely sexual, and VERY silly) In a message dated 3/23/02 4:58:03 AM, Murphycopy writes: << I thought that South Park movie had a ring of truth . . . >> Yes, but if you recall, Satan in the South Park movie was much more sympathetic -- not to mention more masculine -- than *this* character! hugs, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:01:58 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: In response to questions NJC Several people have asked me (and you know who you are) if The Tart knows about Katherine. I broke it to the old girl right away. She took it rather hard in the beginning and refused to play any musette insisting instead upon POLKAS!!! She had to have a time out for that and is now a bit remorseful albeit not THAT remorseful. I think she secretly likes Katherine because last week she played Samo Nemoj Ti (Don't You Tell) ...a Croatian song. Thank you for your concern for The Tart though. :) Love and Peace....Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:02:48 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian In a message dated 3/23/02 11:10:30 AM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: << Walt,I believe At Seventeen came out about 1967 or 1968. I know I was in grade school. It wasn't until years later that I could relate to this song. >> No, that would have been when her first two or three ablums came out, around the time of "Society's Child". I'm pretty sure her "adult" career started with the album that had "Stars" and Jesse" on it (yes, called "Stars", from '74), and then exploded with the "Between the Lines" album, with "Seventeen" on it (from '75). ...Just checked my "Rock Hound", and my memory was correct. Janis has had three careers, in a sense -- her kiddy albums (three of them, I think, all in the '60's), then a transitional album which I once had "Present Company" (1971), then her *first* adult phase, mostly in the '70's, then she sort of retired in the '80's, then she came back (and out) with a bang in the '90's with "Breaking Silence" in '93 and everything since. Oh, and speaking of being a geek in high school -- since I was assumed to be sexless, it never occurred to anyone that I might be gay, which saved me further humiliation. I shudder when I think how kids who couldn't hide their non-standard sexualities were treated. Geek-hugs and peace to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:17:47 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian >the time of "Society's Child". I'm pretty sure her "adult" career started >with the album that had "Stars" and Jesse" on it (yes, called "Stars", from >'74), and then exploded with the "Between the Lines" album, with >"Seventeen" >on it (from '75). Ok,geek,I stand corrected. Do you also have cooties? ;-) I was out of high school by one year then. I don't get it. Too much of that wacky stuff! >Oh, and speaking of being a geek in high school -- since I was assumed to >be >sexless, it never occurred to anyone that I might be gay, which saved me >further humiliation. I imagine this was an added burden. I went to an all- girls school so this wasn't a problem. HUH? I'll meet you in geekdom someday, Bree >Geek-hugs and peace to all, > >Walt _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:25:03 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)Swoony Argentinian Park Ranger, and 3rd Assistant B-day Fairy reporting in, SIR! Hey, big brother Wally, Just watched a National Geographic thingy about the Peninsula Valdez (Patagonia), and the lonely Park Ranger there named Roberto (I didn't hear a last name) who, I guess, works for the Argentinian government, keeping people away from the seals and their pups, and the Orcas who actually sort of beach themselves in order to snack on them (mostly the pups, who start playing too close to the water at about three months). The guy was devastatingly handsome, bearded, sweet, and if the young woman sent by NatGeo didn't nail him, I hope the cameraman got a shot at him!!! Oh, also, two of our local jmdlers (one a semi-lurker, and the other a true lurker) had big days yesterday -- one, Richard G., had his picture in the paper with his kitty cat of 19 years, Josh, in a story about a local organization that helps people with AIDS keep their pets, and another, John G., who turned 30-something -- I did the 3rd-Assistant-Birthday-Fairy-thing for him, even found a Birthday Fairy birthday card to send to him via snail mail! Reporting in, SIR! hugs, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:43:53 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: SUZE Happy Fucking Birthday Suze!!! What is it now...35? You better make it to the Fest, girl! Love and Peace...Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:33:44 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian In a message dated 3/23/02 3:18:07 PM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: << I'll meet you in geekdom someday, Bree >> Maybe we could hold a geek workshop at the '02 Fest? I'll be there, and *somewhere* in this mess, i have a list of attendees... Will you be there? I'll buy you a beer! hugs, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:41:31 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian Bree asks Walt: << Do you also have cooties? ;-) >> I met Walt, Bree, when he came to my Fizzies party in Providence last fall. I can assure you that he does not have cooties. I should know because I always give geeks wedgies! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:49:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: six feet under NJC >>A great scene, in which Claire is telling Keith about Gabe; actually, what he says is "because she loves him" in answer to her brother's question about why she hangs out with this loser.<<< oops, thanks fred...you are right about that scene (it came out backwards when i wrote it), keith just melted my heart & i think you are right about the child...& what a great dad keith would be...you could see it in david's eyes, that he really had fallen in love again ...my heart is breaking for gabe who keeps making his life worse but who is lots of kids who make bad choices under the influence...i hope they find a way to resolve this one in a life-affirming way (such as he didn't hit the person in the car & he goes to rehab instead of jail) >>(By the way, dig the juxtaposition with the film "Badlands.")<< hmmm...didn't see that film... >>>I guess this must sound like some kind of soap opera to someone who's never seen the show, but anyone who has seen it knows that it's a soap opera like no other. I love this show.<<< yes, it does probably seems like a soap opera to anyone who hasn't seen it...it is so brilliantly written & acted that the characters have become so real...there was a show that aired on tv quite a few years ago called My So Called Life, that I thought was excellent but it didn't last long...Six Feet Under reminds me a bit of that one...expecially the claire & gabe characters. (& (& don't you love watching Ruth, their mom, going through her self discovery...lol..) last week was the best episode yet, imo, (maybe i should join a six feet under chat group...lol...) did you know the series was created by the guy who wrote the screenplay for American Beauty? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:08:12 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian -- guitar player, incredible lyricist and (!!!) a columnist? I want to see if I can do this from memory: I learned the truth at seventeen That love was meant for beauty queens And high school girls with clear skinned smiles Who married young and then retired The valentines I never knew The Friday night charades of youth Were spent on one more beautiful At seventeen I learned the truth And those of us with ravaged faces Lacking in the social graces Desparately remained at home Inventing lovers on the phone Who call and say 'Come dance with me' And murmur vague obscenities It isn't all it seems At seventeen A brown-eyed girl in hand-me-downs Whose name I never could pronounce Said 'Pity please the ones who serve They only get what they deserve' And the rich relationed hometown queen Marries in to what she needs With a guarantee of quality And haven for the elderly Remember those who win the game Lose the love they sought to gain In debentures of quality And dubious integrity The small town eyes will gape at you In dull surprise when payment due Exceeds accounts received At seventeen To those of us who knew the pain Of valentines that never came And those whose names were never called When choosing sides for basketball It was long ago and far away The world was younger than today And dreams were all they gave for free To ugly duckling girls like me We all play the game and when we dare Cheat ourselves at solitaire Inventing lovers on the phone Repenting other lives unknown They call and say 'Come dance with me' And murmur vague obscenities At ugly girls like me At seventeen "At Seventeen" is one of the most amazing > lyrics ever written: > >> > *Any* lines at random from this song are as brilliant and poignant as these. > The feelings this song inspired in me and every other geek of either sex, > when it came out in '75 (I think), are hard to describe -- my god, there's > someone who not only knows how I felt at that age (I was 19 when the song > came out), but who puts it so eloquently, and makes a hit of it -- what > triumph! I know I was in college when this song came out and I felt very much the same way you did, Walt. I was probably about 20 so around '75 would be right. I felt somewhat vindicated by the success of this song. It really felt good to hear someone express it so beautifully. Mark E in Seattle who never attended a prom or a high school reunion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:10:57 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: (njc) You gotta love the World Weekly News! (content warning -- vaguely sexual, and VERY silly) > About Saddam Hussein, Walt writes: > > << Or sometimes we'd just take bubble bathstogether and watch old gladiator > movies. >> > > I thought that South Park movie had a ring of truth . . . > > --Bob I wondered if someone was going to bring that up! Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:38:16 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian -- guitar player, incredible lyricist and (!!!) a columnist? mark.travis@gte.net, quoting Janis Ian, writes: << They call and say 'Come dance with me' And murmur vague obscenities At ugly girls like me At seventeen >> I wonder if Janis really felt this way, or if she was just writing about geeks in general. I always thought she was kinda cute! Besides, how many of the other kids with whom she interacted at that age could say they had experienced fame and had had a major hit ("Society's Child") long before they were 17 years old? I wonder -- what are her lyrics like these days? I don't think I ever really paid much attention to her after her "Society's Child" album came out. I do remember one song from that long-lost album, and I'm not going to even guess at the title, that had the lyrics that went something like this: Don't talk about sex You might get hexed God will punish you For your dirty mind It's no sin to enjoy a raping Just to find out the facts of life So you make it with your mind Pretty provocative stuff for a (I think) 13 year old in the 1960s. Is her current stuff worth checking out? --Bob (whose name was never called when choosing sides for basketball, hastily making Saturday night plans so he won't feel like a geek) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:50:53 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: janis ian-geeks, njc Guess I was a geek too and also found the song very close to home. I was a senior in high school when it came out. I did go to the prom (or the version of it there which was called a junior-senior banquet) and it was not much to see or attend. Consisted of eating and listening to the class prophecy. That was it. No dancing, no music. No fun. Went both years. Why? Good question. Had a date the second year. With a girl. What a farce. As for the high school reunion; didn't go to the 10 but did the 20. Glad I went. Enabled me to get rid of a lot of that high school leftover garbage. Just me and one good friend from high school (who incidentally had lost all of whatever I had loved about her and had become her parents), the popular kids, and a few other people came. Only 25 of 100 graduates came and it was amazing to realize what a small few of our class held all the power back then. 80% of those there were those folks and you can imagine where the rest of my classmates were. None had changed much and the great thing was that I realized that I had. No longer did I long for their acceptance or inclusion into their circle for I had found that they were not anywhere near who or what I wanted to be. Most were still living in that little town and doing the same things that their parents had done and none had expanded their minds to find out what else was in there. It was so silly. They were on one side of the room and we were on the other, just like high school. It was hilarious. We thought they were so important and special, even if we did not admit it out loud, and now they were just there. I spent most of the time on the porch of the hotel smoking cigarettes with the bad kids. hehe. So glad I went and plan on going to the next one too. Who knows what will transpire and maybe, just maybe I will learn something more myself but the fear from those high school years is gone. I guess, like Suzanne Sugarbaker, I can now even find the best in those people amd accept them for what they were and for what they were not. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:56:40 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: my so called life njc kate, that show was also one of my favorites. So darn good, well-written, well-acted, etc. I have all of them on tape and occasionally watch them to feel it over again. I like to believe, and actually can do so, that Angela and the rest are still living their lives in Pittsburgh. Rosalie is so much like Angela that it is scary and I have her here with me. Lucky. Too bad it didn't get any attention. Always wondered what Angela would have done after she drove away in Jordan's car and looked back at Brian, realizing that he was the one with so much inner depth. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:29:11 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: janis ian-geeks, njc Mack writes: << I spent most of the time on the porch of the hotel smoking cigarettes with the bad kids. hehe. >> Then you're gonna love Jonifest, Mack! This was truly a great post. Makes me regret having missed my last high school reunion lat fall (it was some year that was supposed to be significant, like the 75th or something). Anyway, congratulations. It sounds like you had a lot more fun at your Texas high school reunion than the other Janis did at hers! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 01:47:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: (njc) Janis Ian I have quite number of Janis Ian albums. At Seventeen and Jesse are two of the most heartbreaking songs ever. Stars is a tear jerker too. She has changed in her 90's albums but still wonderful. > > > I shudder when I think how kids who couldn't hide their > non-standard sexualities were treated. I left school as soon as I possibly could, which was at 15. I have never forgotten and to this day avoid walking past a school or even driving past one really. And seeing a group of kids just sends me right back. They still frighten me. Trouble is back then i didn't have a clue they knew I was gay. i didn't know I was. Or rather I didn't know that the words used were describing me.(Iwas 16 before I knew that homsexual and all the derogotory names meant me) Instead i thought they knew about the sexual abuse(one of the teachers was a child pornographer). So i just carried on feeling ashamed about my guilty secret. Not having a clue it wasn't my shame. This went on from 12 till i left, the bullying that is not the abuse. that stopped as soon as I grew hair. Funny, tho I have more or less come to terms with the absue and my home life(which was more of the same), I have never come to terms with school life.Living with the nickname 'shit' for 5 years is not easily forgotten. So today i still find groups frightening, dislike dog shows even tho i go, and certainly why Jonifest is my idea of a nightmare. But I bet anything my life is a darn sight better now than the lives of those kids will ever be. (aside-adults say children can be cruel-what they don't say is that adults are even more cruel and the children learn it from them) > > > Geek-hugs and peace to all, > > Walt - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #132 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?