From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #130 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 130 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: March 22 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: March 22 [les@jmdl.com] Re: on diana krall & joni's managers [shane ] Accordion njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: This JUST in!!!!!! (NJC) [Julius Raymond ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 now RLJ and deconstruction [] RE: accordions NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Pat Metheny [FredNow@aol.com] women guitarists ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: (njc)Speaking of Spiritualism, or K(h)arma, or God, or WhateverYou Believe In... [colin ] Re: women guitarists ["Peg Eves" ] Re: Top 100 guitar players ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #81 [StDoherty@aol.com] Sharon NJC [colin ] Re: sheep love NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: more ranting about Top 100 guitar players [Susan McNamara ] Re: sheep love NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: accordions NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Verdict NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: LOVE njc [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: LOVE njc [colin ] Re: Great guitarists with a vulva NJC [Alison E ] Re: Great guitarists with a vulva NJC [FredNow@aol.com] pit bulls njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Great guitarists with a vulva NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: LOVE njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] nexus Nixon NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Great guitarists with a vulva NJC [Scott Price ] RE: women guitarists ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: guitar player question njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: nexus Nixon NJC [colin ] Re: pit bulls njc [colin ] Re: top 100 guitar players (njc) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [Jerry Notaro ] Re: (njc) the vote in Florida and other stuff [Susan Guzzi ] Re: women guitarists [Fauchja@aol.com] rlj and mouth full of marbles njc ["mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: on diana krall & joni's managers hi kakki....it was a pleasure to hear of your interesting meeting with sam feldman... someday you're going to have to write a book about your experiences... - -------Original Message------- From: Kakki Date: Friday, March 22, 2002 12:15:10 AM To: shane; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: on diana krall & joni's managers Thanks for the article, Shane. I think Diana just keeps getting better all the time and I'm knocked out by her "Look of Love." I was just reading the latest Vanity Fair which has a not too flattering but interesting article on the late Peggy Lee and I was struck at the resemblance between the early Peggy and Diana. The article noted that two of Peggy's biggest fans are k.d. lang and Diana. I am very happy for her success having read of many, including Joni, praising her for being a truly nice person. An example mentioned in the Post article is her donating half her proceeds from corporate partnerships to charity. Joni's and Diana's management team are good guys, too. On the second night of the PWWAM taping, I found my assigned seating location from the night before already taken up. (We were supposed to sit in the same place both nights for filming continuity). One of the coordinators told me to quickly sit in another place nearby. During the intermission I was told that I'd taken Sam Feldman's seat and was shown him sitting bleacher-style off to the side. I was just mortified! On my way down the aisle I stopped to apologize to him and he was completely nice and good natured and insisted that I keep his seat. I was very impressed by him and his lack of the usual "Hollywood" attitude that I might have encountered with some one else in his position. Kakki *************************** you sang for me like the seagulls in their homeless liberty just floating on the dayspring in their sighing daydreams... - -from 'sandefjord' www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:43:29 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Accordion njc >fred, funny accordian joke...there are so many going round these days... >poor sharon! first all the lawyer jokes, now accoridan jokes, whats next? >bee jokes? >ps I love the accordian! I love accordion, too, which is why I can joke ... the accordion knows I love it. Especially when played with a pure, dark, unchorused tone. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:47:24 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: This JUST in!!!!!! (NJC) Haha, Mikey, very funny. Ewe wish! It doesn't seem fair that New Orleans is known just for jazz and crawfish when there's this quaint "barnyard" humour among its inbred population. No justice, no peace... But you forgot to work the word "bresteses" into the article, chief! :-) - -Julius > I am very saddened to report this news, but I have just received this > information from a friend in California and I was just mortified. > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:59:43 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 now RLJ and deconstruction > p.s. to SCBob -- RLJ sings "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most"?!! > What album? Let me answer for Bob. That song came from RLJ's POP POP album -- a wonderful album of deconstructed standards. Of all the singers, I rank RLJ, Holly Cole and Patricia Barber as great deconstructionists of songs. Listen to Cole's "One the Street Where You Live" (where she sounds like she is stalking the guy), and Barber's "Light My Fire" where the song is a bit unrecognizable but is a polished song all by itself. joseph np: diamanda galas -- gloomy sunday ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:11:00 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Great guitarists with a vulva Joni was the only on the list of 100, but what about: Bonnie Raitt! Shawn Colvin! Jonatha Brooke! (the late) Emily Remler! Leni Stern! Bonnie Raitt! (she's so damn good gotta say it twice) ... and Many Moore! The whole thing with gender and music is basically a mirror of gender politics in all realms of life, which is to say, it's fucked up! And it goes way beyond "Hey, she's really good ... for a woman." I have a certain perspective because my wife is a drummer, and she's excellent, better than many male drummers in our town who work more but play less drums (perhaps the most "male" of all instruments). She wryly reflects on her lack of a penis, since this seems to be the only qualification some band leaders require. She recounts this conversation with one of these band leaders: Band leader: "Well, I've tried a woman drummer before and it just didn't work out." My wife: "Have you ever used a male drummer who didn't work out?" Band leader: "Well ... yeah." My wife: "So who do you use now?" - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:33:15 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: SUVs and dogs (njc) Seems to be the season for dog attacks. In the last few days here in Spain we've seen a case of postmen and postwomen (is this politically incorrect, the spellcheck questions the latter?) attacked; an 80-year old man had both arms amputated after a pit bull almost chewed them off, and a man was imprisoned after setting his dog on his ex-partner in the street. In this last case an off-duty cop saw the incident and shot the dog, the only way to get it off the victim. The law here says that muzzles must be worn but not many people take any notice. The streets are full of generally 'poor white trash' racist skinhead airhead dickhead types with their killer dogs. And the police sit in the bars sipping their anis mike in bcn np kepa junkera - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:35:44 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: accordions NJC >>Oh Mike...that sounds like a fabulous CD (Bilbao 00.00h). I have not heard of Kepa Junkera. Have you ever heard of Flaco Jimenez? How did you come to hear him?<< (I forgot to copy this to the list yesterday when I replied to Sharon, and also forgot to save the contents. Sharon, please forgive the repetition, and variation from the original.) Basically I saw Flaco in Wales a couple of times in a bar owned by a friend of mine and a few of us had a beer or twelve with the band after the show. They come back the following year and played to an even bigger house and we had even more beers. I've seen him here in Barcelona too but was unable to talk to him. A journalist friend of mine interviewed him for her paper and I asked her to get him to sign Sandra Cisneros' short story 'Bien Pretty' which appears in her book 'Woman Hollering Creek' and which opens with a line from his song 'ay te dejo en san antonio'. I mentioned in my original post that I don't know much about accordions but now that I think about it one of the cds I listen most is Astor Piazzola's 'Hora Zero' (or something like that), and I listen to a lot of tango music here. I had never thought about it before. Zydeco, traditional Basque music, Tex-Mex, these darn accordions are everywhere. mike, still listening to Kepa Junkera, in barcelona - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 04:46:26 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Pat Metheny "Laurent Olszer" writes: >Couldn't agree more with you on this one. Actually everything else I've >heard (briefly) by Pat was by comparison....well, soporific. It made me >wonder if Pat wasn't at his best when playing other people's music. Is >there any other Pat recording which rises up to the level of the S&L solo? I'd really urge you to reconsider Metheny. I place him solidly in the pantheon of music greats. But don't just take my word for it, ask Joni, Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Michael Brecker, Charlie Haden, James Taylor, Jaco (if only we could ask him now!) and countless others who recognize the magnitude of his contribution. And although he is wonderful when playing the music of others, his true calling is his own panoramic musical world. Each to his own, of course, but "soporific" is not an adjective I'd ever use to describe any of his music. May I suggest more coffee? Or perhaps closer, more focused listening? Try these albums: Bright Size Life - his debut, with Jaco on bass (worth it for that alone) Pat Metheny Group (aka "The White Album") First Circle Still Life (Talking) Letter From Home Secret Story Imaginary Day and the recent masterpiece Speaking Of Now. Pat and his primary collaborator, pianist/keyboardist Lyle Mays, have produced an astounding body of work spanning 25 unflaggingly consistent years. It's music on the highest level of imagination, innovation, intelligence, and invention ... soulfully bittersweet and utterly life affirming, weaving multiple genres into a personal tapestry, equally informed by the improvisatory process of jazz and the compositional process of classical music and the accessible buoyancy of pop, performed and recorded according to the highest possible standards of execution, fluency, elegance, grace, and majesty. Music that moves the heart and delights the mind. I often get the same deep joy and satisfaction listening to the Pat Metheny Group as I do listening to The Beatles; indeed, the collaborative team of Metheny/Mays easily recalls that of Lennon/McCartney. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:11:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: women guitarists I agree, she is really great. I saw her last summer at a festival here...she played solo & had some great effects on her acoustic guitar...great show...I also love her monthly column in Performing Songwriter...its my favorite part of the mag...a brilliant & funny writer! >>>I will add Janis Ian to the list. Her guitar skills have grown so she is now considered, by those who bother to listen, one of the best.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:00:41 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: (njc)Speaking of Spiritualism, or K(h)arma, or God, or WhateverYou Believe In... > I leave that to each person to decide. But there are most > definitely decent people in the world! there certainly are and probably more than the not decent. > > > Peace to all, > > Walt > > p.s. -- always leave your phone number in your wallet/purse/cardholder. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:13:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: sheep love NJC Before we all start judging Julius, please bear in mind that he probably suffered some terrible trauma in his childhood that has caused him to transfer his desires to the sheep. Perhaps he was made to feel bad and dirty for liking Lamb Chop so much. Or he was so lonely that he only felt that warm fuzzy feeling when Lamb chop appeared on his tv screen. Of course having a hand up a puppet and shagging a sheep are very different but we all know how these get twisted in our minds. Of course, the love he feels may well be reciprocated, in which case, who are we to judge? Baaaat I feel they ought to be more descreet about. If the prejudice and ostrisicism are too great for Julius to handle he could move to Australia or Wales where they are more open minded about sheep love. (Just make sure it is a female sheep tho cos they don't like perverts) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:24:12 -0500 From: "Peg Eves" Subject: Re: women guitarists June Millington - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:11 AM Subject: women guitarists > I agree, she is really great. I saw her last summer at a festival here...she > played solo & had some great effects on her acoustic guitar...great show...I > also love her monthly column in Performing Songwriter...its my favorite part > of the mag...a brilliant & funny writer! > > >>>I will add Janis Ian to the list. Her guitar skills have grown so she is > now > considered, by those who bother to listen, one of the best.<<< > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:46:48 -0800 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Heather Galli wrote: > >I would like to add Ellen McIlwaine to this list of women guitar >players. I know she isn't well known but a power in her own right. Seconded very much by me: I've been lucky enough to attend an Ellen McIlwaine live show, and she's white hot. An awesome singer as well. Plus, according to at least one of her bios, she opened for Joni at one point in her career..... Roberto _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:38:03 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #81 In a message dated 3/22/02 3:02:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Are there any other Joni songs specifically inspired by literature, documented in either liner notes or interviews? >> How about the BoHo Dance we talked about a couple of weeks ago? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:57:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Sharon NJC Sahron-mailed you and it bounced back. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:09:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: sheep love NJC Plus it appears that the sheep in question was over 18, so no prob, Julius! Go for it, man! ;~) Bob NP: Wendy Maharry, "Seven People" (for those Tori fans who just want the good music without all of her pretentious nonsense) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:11:49 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: more ranting about Top 100 guitar players OK, thanks to the person who mentioned Django...that is an obscene omission. Here's some more: Andres Segovia, Paco de Lucia, MARTIN BARRE!!! I'm sorry but Martin Barre has influenced so many guitarists. Help me here! And as far as tokenism goes, can this list state in unison that we are sick of Joni being the token woman on all these popularity polls. I can just see these dudes in the conference room. "Oh, dude, no women on the list. You know were going to get shit for that...throw in Joni Mitchell, dude, that will fly." Bite Me!!!! ok, i'll stop now. take care, peace and love, sue NP Ready to Go, Republica ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:19:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & lit, RLJ <> Well, certainly...from the Book of Job (duh!) Anyway, a long while back somebody (Siresorrow Pat perhaps?) matched up Joni's lyrics to verses from the text of Job. Very interesting, I wish now that I had saved it. <> Well, Joseph already gave you most of poop about Pop Pop, a wonderfully mellow CD full of imaginative covers, and also featuring sublime guitar work by Robben Ford who worked with Joni as well. He plays this Acoustic Nylon string guitar that really complements Rickie's voice and these songs. And as usual, Rickie picks an interesting selection...Hi Lili Hi Lo, which is one of my fave songs anyway, and Comin' Back To Me which is a Jefferson Airplane song. She ranges from the bittersweet to the comical on this record, covers everyone from Hendrix to Sammy Cahn, and everytime I hear it it ends much too quickly. Bob NP: Wendy Maharry, "Frozen Stars" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:24:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: guitar player question njc << "the soundguy played guitar like chet or maybe even better" my question to anyone who cares to give me an opinion is should i keep it chet, or change it to ry? >> I think the line is great, Kate, and certainly not disrespectful in any way. Much the opposite, in fact. That was your honest original image, and I think you should stick with it. It reminds me of Victor's standout line: "He sings just like Otis, But no one seems to notice" Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Not The Same", 10/03/01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:55:37 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: LOVE njc AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: Sharon, Bee Lady and head-over-heels girl wrote: CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! I am SOOOOOOOO happy for you!!!!! Spill the beans, girl!!! Details, details!!!!!!!! :-D Dear Ashara and Lori: I AM head over heels in love and while I love my accordion (The Tart) my passions are quite different with a special person I met a while ago. Really it is quite a short while ago...a mere three weeks. I had such a fabulous 17 year relationship with my Sheila and when she died I did not think about ever meeting anyone again. Over the three years since her death I have met some interesting women but I would quickly discover that they were not at all what I wanted in a relationship. I also had told myself that most people never have the wonderfully solid, deeply connected relationship that I had with Sheila and if I had but that in my life I was indeed a fortunate person. That notwithstanding, I was beginning to wonder if there was something wrong with me that I would not feel connected romantically with women who had expressed an interest in me. All of this changed three weeks ago. While at the Blue Moon Coffee Shop our eyes met and I thought "This person is such a good person and I am going to spend the rest of my life with her". Now is that strange or what? I have NEVER had that happen before. I also do not understand it. I have never fallen in love at first sight. But it does not matter because we are in love and having a wonderful time. It is so nice to feel connected and not be ambivalent...not see any red flags...and have tons of fun...and both of us feeling the same way. Her name is Katherine. She just turned 53...is my height...very tall...about 5'3"...shoulder length hair (you know how us long haired hippie girls love that) and is warm and so very kind. There is a goodness and appreciation for life that shines through her blue eyes. I like her. She is an electrician AND she loves Joni. We are coming to the Fest together. :) I have been really goofy since falling in love. I arrived at a meeting an hour early this week...zone out in conversations with people other than Katherine...and have to 'return' to the conversation with a blank look because I have no idea what was just asked of me or said. Anyway...this is all new and wonderful for me and I am ever so happy. Love and Peace...Bee Woman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:02:38 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: sheep love NJC Colin...you are toooooooo funny. I am laughing myself silly here. Love...Sharon colin wrote: > > Before we all start judging Julius, please bear in mind that he probably > suffered some terrible trauma in his childhood that has caused him to > transfer his desires to the sheep. Perhaps he was made to feel bad and > dirty for liking Lamb Chop so much. Or he was so lonely that he only > felt that warm fuzzy feeling when Lamb chop appeared on his tv screen. > Of course having a hand up a puppet and shagging a sheep are very > different but we all know how these get twisted in our minds. Of course, > the love he feels may well be reciprocated, in which case, who are we to > judge? Baaaat I feel they ought to be more descreet about. If the > prejudice and ostrisicism are too great for Julius to handle he could > move to Australia or Wales where they are more open minded about sheep > love. (Just make sure it is a female sheep tho cos they don't like > perverts) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:09:19 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: accordions NJC Dear Mike: I am going to look for Kepa Junkera. I also love tango...and belong to the tango society. I think tango on the accordion is wonderful. There is a Finnish song called Surullinen Tango that is wonderful. Additional songs that are beautiful with the accordion are Valse Chinoise and Ren Tin Tin (not a dog). Thank you for the posts. :) Love and Peace...Sharon Mike Pritchard wrote: > (I forgot to copy this to the list yesterday when I replied to Sharon, > and also forgot to save the contents. Sharon, please forgive the > repetition, and variation from the original.) Basically I saw Flaco in > Wales a couple of times in a bar owned by a friend of mine and a few of > us had a beer or twelve with the band after the show. They come back the > following year and played to an even bigger house and we had even more > beers. I've seen him here in Barcelona too but was unable to talk to him. > A journalist friend of mine interviewed him for her paper and I asked her > to get him to sign Sandra Cisneros' short story 'Bien Pretty' which > appears in her book 'Woman Hollering Creek' and which opens with a line > from his song 'ay te dejo en san antonio'. > > I mentioned in my original post that I don't know much about accordions > but now that I think about it one of the cds I listen most is Astor > Piazzola's 'Hora Zero' (or something like that), and I listen to a lot of > tango music here. I had never thought about it before. Zydeco, > traditional Basque music, Tex-Mex, these darn accordions are everywhere. > > mike, still listening to Kepa Junkera, in barcelona > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:17:46 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Verdict NJC Kakki wrote: Me, too! It's good to see sound verdicts come down once in a while. But I wonder about the sentencing to take place in May back in the home venue. As some of us were saying at work today "those dogs were WEAPONS." It will be interesting to see what the sentence will be for Knoller. I must say I was surprised the jury convicted her of second-degree murder. I am heartened by the verdict. I fully expected the other four counts to play out as they did. But, we still have the sentencing phase, which could be interesting. I mean it was the San Francisco judge that set bail at 2 million and later reduced it to 1 million. So he did not like these people one bit...forget the flight risk issue. I only hope this stands up on appeal. Being an appellate attorney I have concerns. But...hey...it is California after all. :) Love and peace...Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:37:47 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: LOVE njc In a message dated 3/22/2002 9:44:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, sharonbuffington@attbi.com writes: > I AM head over heels in love and while I love my accordion (The Tart) my > passions are quite different with a special person I met a while ago. This is AWESOME news!!! I can't wait to meet Katherine at Jonifest! I am truly SOOOOOO very happy for you!!!! Hugs, Ashara {who got kick out of the "boys" (Smurf and Paz) thinking you were in love with your accordian! Where is your sense of romance, boys?) ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:10:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: LOVE njc > "This person is such a good person and I am > going to spend the rest of my life with her". Now is that strange or > what? I have NEVER had that happen before. I also do not understand it. > I have never fallen in love at first sight. No. This is how it was for John and I. That was July 7th, 1981. 21 years ago. Still feel the same. > > Anyway...this is all new and wonderful for me and I am ever so happy. This is just so lovely. I am thrilled for you. > > > Love and Peace...Bee Woman - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:57:30 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Great guitarists with a vulva NJC i had to respond to this, because 1. i think you've been watching six feet under... and b. what about PATTY LARKIN????? probably one of the greatest guitar players alive. she has a great song called "not bad for a broad" and she happens to have a vulva. btw, i'm going to see cheryl wheeler tomorrow, who is also fabulous (more respected for her song writing than her guitar prowess, really) but amazing live. alison e. in slc. np: prof. gates on NPR - --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Joni was the only on the list of 100, but what > about: > > Bonnie Raitt! > Shawn Colvin! > Jonatha Brooke! > (the late) Emily Remler! > Leni Stern! > Bonnie Raitt! (she's so damn good gotta say it > twice) Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:14:32 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Great guitarists with a vulva NJC In a message dated 3/22/02 10:57:32 AM, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: >i had to respond to this, because >1. i think you've been watching six feet under... True, I love that show. We don't have cable so we get it on tape from a friend and we just saw the first three episodes in a row, our favorite way to watch. But it's also because of what my wife always says about drummers with a penis, so it actually had occurred to me before. >and >b. what about PATTY LARKIN????? You know, I'm not familiar with her but I have no doubt you're right. I guess she would be included in my catchall "Many Moore." Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:16:03 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: pit bulls njc Let's just remember that it is not the breed of dog but the owner. I am currently grieving over my last one who was just ran over by a vehicle. She was a very sweet dog and afraid of her own shadow. My nephew rescued her from some people (I use that word loosely) who were torturing her when she was a puppy. She was not the first pit I have had and currently have another that is one-half pit. None of them are aggressive to people though the one that was killed had good reason to be. People are the culprits here, as usual. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:28:15 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Great guitarists with a vulva NJC And I had to respond to this because there was a two day concert in Atlanta awhile back called "Vulvapaloosa" which featured ONLY female performers. One of the bands who performed were named *Jack Off Jill*. LOL Must have been some concert :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:57:51 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: LOVE njc Sharon writes: << Anyway...this is all new and wonderful for me and I am ever so happy. >> And I thought all you were squeezing was your accordion! That's wonderful news, Sharon. Congratulations! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:11:40 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: nexus Nixon NJC I had a laughing fit over this article from the Washington Post concerning the Nixon tapes especially the nexus between drugs, homosexuality, communism and, of course, Jews. washingtonpost.com Just What Was He Smoking? By Gene Weingarten Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, March 21, 2002; Page C01 Now that the latest tapes from the Nixon White House have been released, the press is all over them with characteristic glee, eager as always to remind us that not long ago the leader of the free world was buggier than a flophouse blanket. Don't you get tired of this? Me neither. So when researcher Doug McVay from Common Sense for Drug Policy sent me tapes he culled from Nixon's Oval Office rants about drugs, I pounced on them. I figured it would be a welcome respite from Nixon's recent rants about Jews. From the Weed Screed, May 26, 1971: "You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob? What is the matter with them? I suppose it is because most of them are psychiatrists." In my professional capacity, I diagnose a delusional state of mind. It's simple logic: In a previously released rant, Nixon and Billy Graham gnash and froth over how Jews control the media. How can most Jews be psychiatrists and still control the media? Nixon does not explain. But he does explain many other things in these drug tapes, including the insidious nexus between drugs, homosexuality, communism and, of course, Jews. The excerpts begin with the Nixon doctrine on why marijuana is much worse than alcohol: It is because people drink "to have fun" but they smoke marijuana "to get high." This distinction was evidently enormously significant to Nixon, because he repeats it twice. In an excruciating sequence from Sept. 9, 1971, Nixon is meeting with former Pennsylvania governor Raymond P. Shafer. Shafer heads a presidential commission on drug policy that Nixon has heard might be flirting with the notion of recommending the decriminalization of marijuana. "You're enough of a pro," Nixon tells Shafer, "to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we're planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell." Shafer begins to stammer. Nixon appears to be telling his commission, in advance, what to conclude. If there is any doubt about this, Nixon erases it instantly. He instructs Shafer not to seek input from the Department of Health, Education and Welfare, which he seems to think is soft on drugs, apparently because it is filled with, you know, psychiatrists: "As an old prosecutor, I don't mind somebody putting it in J. Edgar Hoover's hands, but I come down very hard on the side of putting it in, uh, hardheaded doctors, rather than a bunch of muddle-headed psychiatrists." Shafer can barely get a word in edgewise. "They're all muddle-headed," Nixon says. "You know what I mean?" The governor's discomfort is palpable. You can almost hear him hooking a finger in his collar. Nixon continues, making things perfectly clear: "But anyway, the thing to do now is to alert the country to the problem and say now, this far, no farther, and I think that's what you want to do, take a strong line." Suddenly, people start getting up. The meeting is over. Before Shafer knows what hits him, the president is pushing him out the door, with a gift of golf balls and cuff links. Eventually, Shafer's commission would recommend decriminalization. The Nixon White House was appalled, understandably: Nixon saw drugs as a threat to the vitals of the republic -- right up there, hand in hand, with the scourge of homosexuality. Nixon expounds on this in a lengthy monologue on May 13, 1971. On this day, he makes it clear that he does not like gay people. Northern California, he says, has gotten so "faggy" that "I won't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco." Nixon loves this subject. He is nearly unstoppable on it. His top aides H.R. "Bob" Haldeman and John Ehrlichman are in the room, but they barely speak beyond monosyllabic sycophancies. It takes the president a while to get to the point, which begins with his review of a popular TV sitcom he has just watched, apparently for the first time: "Archie is sitting here with his hippie son-in-law, married to the screwball daughter. . . The son-in-law apparently goes both ways." Nixon seems to have concluded, against all evidence, that Meathead is bisexual. Possibly it is the length of his hair. Another character in the show, Nixon reports, is "obviously queer. He wears an ascot, and so forth." The president is outraged that this filth should appear on TV: "The point that I make is that, goddamn it, I do not think that you glorify on public television homosexuality. You don't glorify it, John, anymore than you glorify, uh, whores." The president asserts that America is in jeopardy from this Archie Bunker gay thing: "I don't want to see this country to go that way. You know what happened to the Greeks. Homosexuality destroyed them. Sure, Aristotle was a homo, we all know that, so was Socrates." Ehrlichman interrupts to reassure his boss. Socrates, he says, "never had the influence that television had." Precisely, precisely. Nixon is on a roll, lecturing like a history professor: "Do you know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. . . . You know what happened to the popes? It's all right that popes were laying the nuns." Someone laughs nervously. Nixon bulls on, not a hint of humor in his voice. "That's been going on for years, centuries, but when the popes, when the Catholic Church went to hell in, I don't know, three or four centuries ago, it was homosexual. . . . Now, that's what happened to Britain, it happened earlier to France. And let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn it, they root them out, they don't let 'em hang around at all. You know what I mean? I don't know what they do with them." "Dope? Do you think the Russians allow dope? Hell no. Not if they can catch it, they send them up. You see, homosexuality, dope, uh, immorality in general: These are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing it. They're trying to destroy us." Well, that was 31 years ago, and I am happy to report that the Jew-homo-doper-Commie-shrink-lefty-pope cabal has not, to date, destroyed us. Nixon seems to have been wrong on this one. Of course, it's not the first time he was wrong. Yes, he was a crook. No, it wasn't a third-rate burglary. And yes -- we do still have Dick Nixon to kick around. Apparently, thanks to his tapes, forever and ever and ever. ) 2002 The Washington Post Company ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:16:21 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Great guitarists with a vulva NJC >Alison: > >>b. what about PATTY LARKIN????? Fred: >You know, I'm not familiar with her but I have no doubt you're right. Me: Patty Larkin is an amazing talent. Terrific songwriter and stickler for sonic perfection in her recordings. She has an in-home studio with all the latest gear. Her dexterity on the acoustic guitar puts her, in my opinion, in the same league as Michael Hedges and Leo Kottke. This is no casual strummer...she really knows her way around the axe. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:44:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: women guitarists oh YES, thanks Peg, June is an AMAZING guitar player! she & her sister Jean (great bass player) played here...just the two of them...a few years back...i could not believe that i hadn't heard of her before & they had been around a long long time... OH, (& Victor fee free to chime in here)... what about Caroline Aiken? she is INCREDIBLE! & every bit equal to Bonnie Raitt yet why is she not as well known...I had the privlege of playing with her when she came to SB & was blown away by her ability.... boy, that 100 best guitar list is starting to really look pathetic... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: guitar player question njc I got some great feedback to my question from some highly esteemed jmdlers all of whom say keep Chet, so he stays in the song! or should i say, belongs in the song ? please, somebody stop me...;~} btw, GREAT line Victor! >>It reminds me of Victor's standout line: "He sings just like Otis, But no one seems to notice" Bob<< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:53:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: nexus Nixon NJC It is frightening who has got/did have power. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:01:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: pit bulls njc Genrally I would agree with you. However, the Pit Bull was bred specifically for dog fighting. I have met some very sweet natured ones. Would never allow them around other dogs or children. Again, people are the casure of this. The man who started to breed them in the first place. Dogs like these are bred to be dangerous. A great shame. Countless times I have read or heard about dogs like these (and other similiar breeds) that are said to be so sweet...until they turn and maim someone or kill another dog. It is not always the fault of the owner. Many of these dogs ahve been treated well, trained well etc but still they turn. they do so because it is in their makeup to do so. I once sold an Apso to a couple who owneed a delightfully good tempered rooty. My puppy was killed wihin 3 weeks by it. NEVER do is sell to people with Staffs, Pits, Rotts, Dobes, GSD's, Bulls, ...the list is quite long. Having said all that, most dog problems are the fault of the owner. i don't sell to all day workers, to people with young children(toddlers and babies), to people who are too soppy who won't discipline etc Some breeds however however have been developed to 'compliment' a man's ego and these, no matter how sweet some are, are dangerous. mack watson-bush wrote: > Let's just remember that it is not the breed of dog but the owner. I am > currently grieving over my last one who was just ran over by a vehicle. She > was a very sweet dog and afraid of her own shadow. My nephew rescued her from > some people (I use that word loosely) who were torturing her when she was a > puppy. She was not the first pit I have had and currently have another that > is one-half pit. None of them are aggressive to people though the one that > was killed had good reason to be. People are the culprits here, as usual. > > mack - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:57:20 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: top 100 guitar players (njc) Heather wrote: I would like to add Ellen McIlwaine to this list of women guitar players. I know she isn't well known but ... Hi Heather, I'll second that! Seems way back we discussed Ellen here. I saw her over 20 years ago at a club here in Chicago - Gaspars, now known as Schubas. I was totally blown away by her playing and her energy! Anyone know of her whereabouts these days? I'd love to hear that she's still out there strummin' and sliding away! Just nice to see she's remembered - thanks Heather. Peace, Susan Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:01:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players I think the omission of Glen Campbell is glaring. A master of the 12 string Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: (njc) the vote in Florida and other stuff Walt wrote: Thank god these judicial candidates are subject to review, but a few idiots will get through -- witness Scalia and Thomas. How true Walt. I don't think anyone realizes what a dangerous man Scalia is. but I know he frightens me. And Thomas is his panting puppy protege. The fact is one appointment could alter the interpretation of Roe vs. Wade and other civil rights & freedoms. Word is also when Rheinquist (spelling?) retires, Scalia will be Chief Justice. Just wondering if he's having a special robe designed for his witch hunts, ala Rheinquist. Peace, Susan Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:25:52 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players i'll second that ellen mcllwaine, heather ! i haven't heard anyone one mention dear ellen in years. back in the early seventies i bought several of her LPs, three as i recall , and proceeded to wear holes in the vinyl. ( i just couldn't get enough...) she played a mean slide guitar herself, and her vocals were outstanding. one song that stands out in my mind is her version of the traditional " farther along ." others have done it but i was partial to ellen's. i remeber her being a pretty fair song writer too ! i always wondered why she wasn't better known .i'm not certain but i think the LPs i have were the only ones she released . i agree that it does seem futile to rank something like " top 100," like all art it is subjective. ( so many guitarist, so little time...) someone recently mentioned " the joni mitchell companion," by stacy luftig. this may have been a topic of discussion on the list before but being fairly new here i'll throw it out and see where it lands. on page 169 there is a photo with the caption, bonnie raitt and joni mitchell performing in illinois." it is soooooo obviously rickie lee jones performing with bonnie. ( i find this a bit ironic since there is an alledged rift between joni and rickie ! ) i noticed this error imediately after purchasing the book, i have a habit of perusing the photos first thing , and wondered if anyone ever bothered to check the acuracy of the photos included. sound off listers... wishing it were joni not rickie, warren keith p.s. i never really cared much for rickie lee myself, she sounded like she was singing with a mouth full of marbles... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:32:46 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine David, You had a recent post about doing a Jackson Browne song, the Only Child. I know JB, but couldn't place that tune. Found it finally and based upon my listening of your two Joni CDs, you'll sound great doing that. Thanks for tipping me off. The Jazztimes article is wonderful! Fauchja NP: Man of Peace Dylan & The Dead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:36 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: pit bulls njc The dog that I have had the most trouble with is a German Shepherd mix. She routinely has to rule over the other four dogs and would regularly beat the stuffing out of the poor, now run over pit bull, named Gypsy. This dog has to be the top of the heap and the first at everything. Very jealous and will get very angry if i give another dog attention. That includes the male and half pit. She rules the roost, so to speak. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:59:02 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: women guitarists Saw June a couple of years ago when she backed Chris Williamson and Tret Fure (before they split) on tour. Not only were the chops there, but she was really into creating sonic painting (the best way to describe them) that were PERFECT for the song. She also co-produced Tret last album (the first after the breakup with Chris) and it was perfect. I also have a beatup copy of Charity Ball by Fanny (June's former group) that is awesome. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:03:00 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: rlj and mouth full of marbles njc Just goes to show you, beauty is in the eye (or the ear) of the beholder. Have a friend who loathes joni mitchell and thinks she is awful. Won't ride with me if I play her. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:06:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: rlj and mouth full of marbles njc mack watson-bush wrote: > Just goes to show you, beauty is in the eye (or the ear) of the beholder. > Have a friend who loathes joni mitchell and thinks she is awful. Won't ride > with me if I play her. My best friend of 32 years wont let me play Joni when he is over. Calls her "The Screamer." Jerry Eva Cassidy - Time After Time (brilliant!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 12:16:36 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: on diana krall & joni's managers Have you seen D.K. perform live Kakki? Her enthusiasm for what she is doing up on stage is just so infectious. >The article noted that two of Peggy's biggest fans are >k.d. lang and Diana. She spoke of Peggy Lee quite a bit the other night,obviously in awe of her. And lamented that she never got to meet her. She told the audience,"You know she died not too long ago".... you could really feel the sorrow in her voice. > I am very happy for her success having read of many, >including Joni, praising her for being a truly nice person. Her niceness really came through. Not a bit uppity. She was really thrilled that *we* came to see her. And when I gave her the roses her expression was like.......Shit, for me!! Genuinely humble!! This woman amazes me. My friend, Andre, is going to bring his new little video recording device with him when we see her next Tuesday in Louisville,Ky. I told him if you get caught,I'll say I don't know you. lol Bree _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #130 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?