From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #129 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 129 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 100% Jaco Content was Re: PWWAM Questions...a few, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu ] Re: shredders njc [AsharaJM@aol.com] This JUST in!!!!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: shredders njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Pat's solo on S&L [Michael Paz ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [Michael Paz ] Re: shredders njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Jaco [RobSher50@aol.com] the guitar list.njc. ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Top 100 guitar players [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Re: (njc) the vote in Florida, and other stuff. [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] RRe: NJC from politics to religion ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Top 100 guitar players ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] (njc)Speaking of Spiritualism, or K(h)arma, or God, or Whatever You Believe In... [BigWaltin] Re: Songs Inspired by Literature (NJC) [Richard Goldman ] Re: on diana krall & joni's managers ["Kakki" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 - women guitarists [BRYAN8847@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:32:57 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: 100% Jaco Content was Re: PWWAM Questions...a few, njc Doubly funny when you remember that Charles Mingus didn't want Joni to use Jaco on the amazing "Mingus" project because........ (wait for it......) Mingus didn't *like electric bass. Lama Fred Simon said: >No, he didn't, but the funny thing is that when Josef Zawinul, co-founder of Weather Report, first heard Jaco on tape he called him up to hire him and asked "Do you play electric bass, too?" He had a sound on electric that was significantly informed by acoustic bass sound and playing practice. "Bree Mcdonough" wrote: >6.Jaco:Did he play the accoustic bass at all in his career? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:35:01 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: shredders njc Sharon, Bee Lady and head-over-heels girl wrote: <> CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! I am SOOOOOOOO happy for you!!!!! Spill the beans, girl!!! Details, details!!!!!!!! :-D Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:00:11 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: This JUST in!!!!!! (NJC) I am very saddened to report this news, but I have just received this information from a friend in California and I was just mortified. Way to go FUCKO!! View at your own risk of personal injury and/or disillusionment http://julius.mills.wasarrested.com/S-Ca%2E/Marin+County/sheep Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:54:44 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: shredders njc Ashara writes: << Sharon, Bee Lady and head-over-heels girl wrote: <> CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! I am SOOOOOOOO happy for you!!!!! Spill the beans, girl!!! Details, details!!!!!!!! :-D >> Now me: Am I the only one who thought Sharon was talking about loving her accordian? Best wishes either way, Sharon! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:25:20 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Pat's solo on S&L I am glad you asked that. Personally I love New Chataqua and Pat Metheny Group (with Phaze Dance on it), American Garage, Offramp, and the brilliant As Falls Witchita So Falls Witchita Falls (I LOVE the song Ozark by Lyle Mays). I also love Missouri Sky with Charlie Haden and I love the album with Jim Hall. OMG then theres Bright Size Life... Paz (a true Fan) P.S. The only one I really cannot deal with was the Noise album can't remember the exact title. on 3/21/02 6:09 AM, Laurent Olszer at olszer@xlsecurity.com wrote: > > Couldn't agree more with you on this one. Actually everything else I've > heard (briefly) by Pat was by comparison....well, soporific. It made me > wonder if Pat wasn't at his best when playing other people's music. Is > there any other Pat recording which rises up to the level of the S&L solo? > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:34:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Terry I know like Jennifer Batten or Leni Stern or Emily Remmler never existed. Yet we can name all these other hacks cause they were in a 3 chord band that was the shit for 15 minutes. Oh god stop me please! Paz P.S. Are you coming to JoniFest??????? We need a drummer!!!!!!! on 3/21/02 7:07 AM, TerryM2222@aol.com at TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: > I think that if Joni had been male, she'd have been higher up on the list. > > No flames, please? I think it's amazing that out of 100 people, there's only > one female listed. > > Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:51:09 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: shredders njc That's what I thought. Best wishes Sharon. Great logo too. And I have a Bee joke for you but would rathe do it for you in person. Love paz on 3/21/02 6:54 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > Am I the only one who thought Sharon was talking about loving her accordian? > > Best wishes either way, Sharon! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:49:11 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Jaco Amen! And pass the butter! The "absolute" greatest guitar solo of all time!!! Don't get me started on the "Shadows and Light" CD! The entire thing is a work of perfection! I've never seen Joni live, but for me, there is nothing that can top this partnership of great musicians. For me, it will never get any better than Shadows and Light. I can't even begin to describe the beauty and artistic expression of Pat's solo. The tone of his guitar adds to the beauty of the solo. the way he connects his chords with beautiful runs up the guitar takes my breath away. I like the way you describe it as "expressiveness." I also have Synesthesia, so I not only hear Pat's solo, I can "see" it as well. For me, it varies in shades of pink and blue and gives me an added joy. It sounds like you were there live. Say it ain't so! Not being at that concert will probably be one of the greatest regrets of my life. However, I am overjoyed if indeed, you were able to attend. Sherelle In a message dated 03/20/2002 8:56:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, michaelpazz@directvinternet.com writes: > Not to mention Pat Metheny's guitar solo between Amelia and Hejira that in > my opinion is the greatest guitar solo of all time. The expressiveness of > this solo is just stunning. I have a couple of other recordings from that > tour and that night it was positively brilliant. > > Best > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:24:26 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: the guitar list.njc. well, i am no expert on the guitar and don't find that part of music the best part, by any means, but know that different strokes for different folks. My friend Rosalie says any list that has Stevie Ray at number 11 is a very poor list. He is her number one. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:37:29 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players I would like to add Ellen McIlwaine to this list of women guitar players. I know she isn't well known but a power in her own right. Heather At 12:53 PM 3/21/02 -0800, Randy Remote wrote: >JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > > > Regarding woman guitarists, I would've liked to see Ann Wilson > represent. Susan Tedeschi makes my list. I would have to find room for > blueser Deborah Coleman as well. They should word up on Elizabeth Cotten, too. > >Yeah! >Bonnie Raitt should be there, too. A fine guitarist and one of the best >slide players alive... >Glaringly missing from the list is Django Reinhardt, who should be among >the top 2. Also, George Benson, Martin Taylor, and any number of >jazz guys could play the pants off any of the punk guys listed. >RR >ps...it may be right that Joni doesn't play guitar anywhere on "Blue", >just dulcimer and piano...maybe "Little Green"? Better examples of >her playing might be "Silky Veils" or "Refuge of the Roads". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:55:08 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) the vote in Florida, and other stuff. In a message dated 3/21/02 6:14:23 PM, Fred wrote: << So much for self-determination. It's a fucking shandeh. >> It is, Fred, and good for you for bringing this to light. I'd seen this info, but a lot of people still insist there was nothing wrong with what happened in Florida. As a local columnist for the SF Chronicle pointed out (and I doubt he was the only one to do so), what would we be thinking/saying if in some so-called third-world country, the former president's son won an election by questionable means, involving a very questionable/maneuvered/rigged count in a region governed by the candidate's brother, etc., etc., etc.? It might be funny -- but bad presidents put bad people in judicial positions, including the Supreme Court. Thank god these judicial candidates are subject to review, but a few idiots *will* get through -- witness Scalia and Thomas - -- and one need only check out W's cabinet to imagine what kind of kneejerk right-wing numbnuts he'll nominate for the Supreme Court. Sorry to go off, everybody. Been a long day. Peace to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:00:59 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 In a message dated 3/21/02 6:14:23 PM, Deb Messing asked: << Are there any other Joni songs specifically inspired by literature, documented in either liner notes or interviews? >> Bob mentioned several, but wasn't The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song) also biblically inspired? (I can't wait to hear the version on the upcoming album!) p.s. to SCBob -- RLJ sings "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most"?!! What album? Fondly, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:03:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RRe: NJC from politics to religion >>It is also part of the philosophy held by the Spiritualists<< They were part of the history of a small sweet town I lived not long ago called Summerland, just south of Santa Barbara. I think they actually founded the town & lived in tents & to this day many of the older lots are tiny (called tent lots)...there are many stories of people seeing departed spirits in Summerland but I never did... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:14:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Top 100 guitar players Terry, It smacks of tokenism, doesn't it? I think you should come to JoniFest this year to strike a blow for guitarists who happen to be female! :) Send a message to the young female guitarists and pianists! Lama, sending his own message out from this day forth, that he will stoop to any strategy, twist any phrase, employ any... ploy to get my favorite counselor to JoniFest! (I stole that from Jackie O's first husband.) - --- TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: >I think it's amazing that out of > 100 people, there's only > one female listed. Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 01:13:48 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)Speaking of Spiritualism, or K(h)arma, or God, or Whatever You Believe In... Hi, all, Just had an up-and-down day, which ended up and I wanted to share it. Woke up in pain from the bus incident I mentioned yesterday -- sore back -- and Robert has a cold, but we managed to pull ourselves together enough to make it to the Strybing Arboretum (inside GG Park) to feed the squirrels, just before closing time, just about our favorite free thing to do (can you tell we're middle-aged? :-)) Robert was sitting on a bench in one of our favorite locations and I was standing some distance away (we've learned that when the two of us sit or stand together, some squirrels are too nervous to approach), when a huge mixed flock of birds swept down and did sort of a vacuum sweep of the area where lots of squirrels bury their nuts. They must do this every day, after the humans leave the area, but they didn't seem to notice, or mind, me. They picked the place clean of nut fragments and such, and the place looked professionally cleaned when they left. I wandered on to another section, and sat on a bench, waiting for squirrels. Of all things, a lone quail came out of the bush and sort of stood there expectantly, its little "plume" (I checked in my bird book -- that's what that funny bunch of feathers on top, black on most quails, is called) bobbing up and down. I broke up a walnut and threw a little piece at it. It happily started eating it, six feet away. I'd seen families of quail in the Park before, but never a loner before. He was still hanging around me when Robert found me. It was unbothered by any of the squirrels who came up for nuts, either. Wonderfully odd. On the bus ride home, Robert got off first, to change lines to go to his Spanish class. I got off the bus a couple of blocks later, to walk the four blocks home. Two blocks from home, a couple of small boys asked me if I could contribute to their school. I said I didn't have much money, but I could give them a dollar. They said that was enough -- and asked me to fill out the form for the raffle. My back still throbbing, I squatted down and filled it out. They thanked me and left. Shortly after I got home, I realized that when I'd squatted down to fill out the form for the raffle, I'd dropped my plastic cardholder -- which holds my bank card, most of my IDs, etc. Arrgghhh! I threw on a coat and retraced my steps a couple of times, looking especially hard at the corner where I was sure I'd dropped it. No dice. I went back home and got on the phone to my bank and waited and waited for a human to answer. My call-waiting beeped (indicating that someone was trying to call me); I hesitated, fearing a sales call; but I pushed the reset button to answer the incoming call. "Walter Breen?" I held my breath -- please, please, please don't let this be a sales call. "Yes?" "Did you lose a plastic card holder...?" Yes!!! "Oh my god, you found it?" "Yes, sir." This from what sounded like a very mature man. I asked him where I could meet him, and he said he'd be at his usual hangout (he didn't use the word "hangout" -- it was something more charmingly old-fashioned that that) for a couple of hours. He gave me his name, Ron Montero, and said anyone there would know him. From the address, on Polk Street, I considered it likely that the place "Polk Street Station" and address "Polk Street at Pine" he gave me was a gay bar. There *are* a lot of gay bars in that neighborhood, but the Polk Street Station turned out to be an ancient 50s-style diner, and he was with three friends; he called my name the second I walked in -- one of his pals said, "Well, you sure *are* a tall fella!" -- I'd mentioned I was 6'6" -- makes it easier to identify me in a crowd. The place clearly catered to seniors. Mr. Montero even said "God bless you, young man," when I'd finished thanking him for the umpteenth time. I left in a happy daze. So: Maybe I wouldn't have dropped the cardholder if I hadn't stopped to contribute to the little boys' school; but I got my cardholder back. Higher powers at work? I leave that to each person to decide. But there are most definitely decent people in the world! Peace to all, Walt p.s. -- always leave your phone number in your wallet/purse/cardholder. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:41:52 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Songs Inspired by Literature (NJC) There is the new CD, only available in the UK, not with Joni, alas, but... it's all Shakespeare, either sung or read. And the highlight (for me at least) is Rufus Wainwright's composition and singing (with his mom, Kate, on banjo) doing "Sonnet#29: "When In Disgrace With Fortune And Men's Eyes". It's gorgeous, and . . .the mp3 of it is downloadable at: http://homepage.mac.com/richardsfgoldperson it's "Sonnet+29.mp3" Enjoy! Richard - ---------- At 9:07 PM -0500 3/21/02, JMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:21:30 -0500 >From: Deb Messling >Subject: Songs Inspired by Literature > >There's an adult literacy organization called Songs Inspired by Literature >which tries to use popular songs to encourage literacy in reluctant >readers. Their web site lists a bunch of famous songs, including Joni's >Both Sides Now and Slouching Towards Bethlehem. Are there any other Joni >songs specifically inspired by literature, documented in either liner notes >or interviews? > >- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Deb Messling -^..^- >messling@enter.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:33:04 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Verdict NJC Me, too! It's good to see sound verdicts come down once in a while. But I wonder about the sentencing to take place in May back in the home venue. As some of us were saying at work today "those dogs were WEAPONS." Kakki > You got that right Lori. I jumped up and said Yes yes yes yes > yes.... > > Lori in MD wrote: > > > > > All verdicts are in in the dog mauling case. Guilty on all counts. > > > > GOOD. > > > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:55:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: on diana krall & joni's managers Thanks for the article, Shane. I think Diana just keeps getting better all the time and I'm knocked out by her "Look of Love." I was just reading the latest Vanity Fair which has a not too flattering but interesting article on the late Peggy Lee and I was struck at the resemblance between the early Peggy and Diana. The article noted that two of Peggy's biggest fans are k.d. lang and Diana. I am very happy for her success having read of many, including Joni, praising her for being a truly nice person. An example mentioned in the Post article is her donating half her proceeds from corporate partnerships to charity. Joni's and Diana's management team are good guys, too. On the second night of the PWWAM taping, I found my assigned seating location from the night before already taken up. (We were supposed to sit in the same place both nights for filming continuity). One of the coordinators told me to quickly sit in another place nearby. During the intermission I was told that I'd taken Sam Feldman's seat and was shown him sitting bleacher-style off to the side. I was just mortified! On my way down the aisle I stopped to apologize to him and he was completely nice and good natured and insisted that I keep his seat. I was very impressed by him and his lack of the usual "Hollywood" attitude that I might have encountered with some one else in his position. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 02:52:34 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #128 - women guitarists I will add Janis Ian to the list. Her guitar skills have grown so she is now considered, by those who bother to listen, one of the best. Best examples: "Welcome to Acousticville" and "Take No Prisoners," one of her concert standards during the past couple of years. Janis rocks. Bryan ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #129 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?