From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #123 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 19 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 123 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 18 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 18 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Devil May Care. NJC [Julius Raymond ] Re: US involvement...gov't. by the people NJC ["Kakki" ] corporations njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Shakira, King of Argentina NJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: Corporations and Yogananda NJC ["Kakki" ] Probably already covered - Hejira HDCD [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: corporations njc ["Robert Holliston" ] joni on chiris njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Painting With Words and Music [Julius Raymond ] Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Devil May Care. NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Painting With Words and Music [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: joni mentions [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: corporations njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Painting With Words and Music ["Kakki" ] Re: joni mentions [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: Joni's corporations njc ["Kakki" ] Joni, Inc. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: corporations njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: corporations njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's corporations njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni, Inc. [Randy Remote ] RE: corporations njc ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Joni's corporations njc ["Kakki" ] RE: Six degress of Joni and Britney njc [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: fleischer [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters [Mike Friedman ] RE: Corporations and Yogananda NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Quoting Joni on Jaco in JazzTimes [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Painting With Words and Music [Michael Paz ] Sunday Beltway Minifest ["Sherman" ] Re: Painting With Words and Music [Julius Raymond ] Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters [Mike Friedman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:02:32 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 18 On March 18 the following article was published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison will join Dylan on West Coast tour" - San Diego Union-Tribune (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980318sdu.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 03:02:32 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 18 On March 18 in Joni Mitchell History: 1997: (from an "AllStar" press release) "Speaking of classic rock, some old familiar faces showed up at the launch party for the new magazine Entertainment at Home [tonight] at the swank Beverly Hills restaurant Chasen's. Joni Mitchell and former Steely Dan guitarist Jeff "Skunk" Baxter were among the celebs hamming it up." - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:17:35 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Devil May Care. NJC Thanks for the report, Bree! I compulsively went over to bn.com and pre-ordered Krall's "Live in Paris" on DVD and went ahead and got Sade's "Lover's Live" on DVD to boot (free shipping). Sadly, I missed Sade when she came through the Bay Area, but tonight, owing to your encouragement, I got tickets to Diana at the Masonic Auditorium in San Francisco on May 6th. Looking forward to it. - -Julius > I saw the fabulous Diana Krall tonight!!! (or last night..it's 2:30AM) WOW! > Bree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:00:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: US involvement...gov't. by the people NJC Hi Randy, > Not really. A corporation is a legal entity. One thing that is wrong with > corporations is that the people running them can make bad, illegal or > rapacious decisions, and the can hide behind the shield of protection > a corporation provides. I totally agree that there have been some cold-hearted and very bad people who have been in positions of power to run corporations. That doesn't make the corporations or the concept of a corporation bad in itself. > They are not personally liable. They certainly can be personally prosecuted if their business actions are criminal or unlawful, absolutely. They are not immune or shielded at all in such cases. > Another problem is that, by virtue of it's structure, a corporation is > ruled by the bottom line, it's quarterly earnings. A couple repercussions > of this are that, lets say a corporate CEO wants to follow his conscience > and maybe pay his Indonesian sweatshop works $2 a day instead of $1. > He can be ousted and replaced by someone who will do what is > neccesary to maximize profits. Or, a new CEO comes in, slashes > thousands of jobs, the quarterly earnings increase, stock goes up, > he and his pals ditch in their golden parachutes, the workers are > screwed, the company possibly ruined. This has become a whole > genre for certain executives. I completely share your disgust in this. >There is a movement for corporate reform or abolishment as we know it. It's the structure. I have no problem with people wanting to clean up corporations but I think it should come from within and not necessarily from some outside movement of people who have never worked in a corporation or know anything about them and who just don't like the idea of them or have some vague notion that they are all evil. I have heard instances of the shareholders themselves going after of some of the top executives in recent years. There has been a growing movement on the part of shareholders to try to abolish the golden parachutes and obscene excecutive bonuses. Let the shareholders who are the owners deal with the problem. Don't assume all they care about is the bottom line. > Enron. The papers say the heads of the company will probably not > get jail time, that what they did may not have even been illegal, but, had > they robbed a store instead of ripping off millions and screwing their > own workers, they would have been in trouble. Is it any wonder > people say there is something wrong with this picture? People desperately need to stop believing as gospel everything they read in the papers. When was it decided that newspaper writers were suddenly the experts and fount of all knowledge on everything that happens in the world. It's ludicrous to rely on them for total knowledge and analysis on any given event or topic. Enron is just starting to be investigated and it is inherently a complex situation that is not going to be easily summed up overnight. > Jello Biafra (political activist, Dead Kennedys) believes we should > put a $100,000 cap on earnings. My problem with this is, who > runs it? You're back to a bureaucracy like Russia. Don't know > what the answer is. Bill Gates has an obscene $90 billion. Others > starve. You tell me. People who talk like Jello and Michael Moore about calling for caps on earnings and 70% income taxes scare the hell at of me, when I'm not laughing (uneasily) at them. Who made them our rulers and overlords? They call themselves "democratic" and want to confiscate people's property and earnings? They are bald-faced hypocrites - like I'm sure they are going to personally divest *their* millions and give them all away tomorrow. > You can't seriously be contending that corporations do not have > influence and privledge in the halls of power, and that they never > get away with anything! I mean, really...... Never contended that at all. Just saying that they usually get caught and dealt with when they do something unlawful. As I said before, you often are not going to hear the whole story as it progresses recited every night on the news because of confidentiality. Don't worry I also want every creep who does wrong in business weeded out, too! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:58:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Painting With Words and Music >>>I turned envy green watching Charles Valentino dance with Joni during "Comes Loves." I mean, hey, I can dance those moves and more! What does a guy have to do to get on your dance card, Joan? ;-)<<< You will have to ask tha of Mr. O'Paz Happy St Patricks Day to one & all! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:58:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: corporations njc >>A corporation is a legal entity. One thing that is wrong with corporations is that the people running them can make bad, illegal or rapacious decisions, and the can hide behind the shield of protection a corporation provides. They are not personally liable.<<< This works in good ways too...my husband set up a corporation for the work he does as an inventor, to protect me & our home from anything that might happen if someone decides to sue him for some reason (he's as honest & ethical as it comes so its not about doing bad & getting away with it). ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:01:20 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Re: Shakira, King of Argentina NJC Oh don't talk to me about Shakira.... ...my most loved one is a 'fhan', a 'fhan', d'y hear?... ...and her, her percussive yodel has been a musical backdrop in our apartment for all of my life!! ...and on holidays..... ..y'know, it's more that mortal man should be made to bear! Les (London)...and not a fhan! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:51:31 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Corporations and Yogananda NJC Hi Kate, Thanks for clarifying your views on corporations. I get to the point sometimes where I hear so much screaming about them that I start to imagine hordes of angry people holding torches surrounding offices buildings like the scene out of Frankenstein! >I think if we had some serious campaign > reforms then this would actually move us >toward the ideal of a government by > the people, for the people. I agree that things need to be reviewed and reformed as needed. The big question in my mind with campaign reform is whether it could result in only people with millions of dollars running for elected positions. Like only the wealthy will have the money to pay for the campaign and be elected. Such a scenario obviously would prevent a huge diverse cross-section of representation. I don't know the answer to this one. > I was just talking with some friends about the >subject of desire (of things). It came about as >the result of talking about Yogananda's teachings & other eastern kinds of thoughts. I think Yogananda is so cool and have attended services at the temple in Hollywood. You talk about a peaceful and serene group of people! It was very nice. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:12:56 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Probably already covered - Hejira HDCD When I was over in NYC last month, I bought Hejira and HOSL on HDCD Cd....$9 each...couldn't pass 'em. ...not really being 'up' on such matters, there was an element of 'completism' about the purchase. These Discs are not easily or cheaply found here in London....that I have seen. However, listening to H over headphones last weekend, I was stunned by the amount of music I hadn't heard before from the recordings. For the first time of listening, the recordings seemed to have depth and separation. I could hear all the layers of Pastorius' playing. Maybe I've just not been paying attention before, but is there a consensus on the merits of these recent (?) re-issues? Oh and the artwork was very much better. I'd never seen the picture of Joni looming out of the darkness before. Les (London) NPIMH....Whatever, Whatever (or whatever) by Shakira because I just read about it in a 'digest' and now it's hard-coded in my head for the day and it just isn't fair! Wah! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 02:39:09 -0800 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: corporations njc Hmmmmm..... Zsa Zsa's got her diamonds, Minnie's got her chickens to go, I've got my corporations, I'm a capitalistic so-and-so. This is a Joni Mitchell self-assessment - if it doesn't scan as well as the lyrics for Court and Spark or Hejira, it was written on the fly for a magazine interview in, I think, 1974. In his wonderful review of Shadows and Light, Stephen Holden wrote: "Perhaps more directly than anyone except Mick Jagger, Joni Mitchell has always acknowledged the inseparability of sexual curiosity and rock music." I wonder how many songwriters or rock music figures have also addressed the issue of money as frequently and consistently as Joni has. It goes at least as far back as "For Free," in which she seems to feel uncomfortable with her financial success. The Hissing of Summer Lawns is almost all about the conflict between material success and an uneasy bohemianism. "Even on the scuffle the cleaner's crease was in my jeans/And any eye for detail caught a little lace along the seams..." On Hejira, she states outright: "W.C. Handy I'm rich and I'm fey," assuming that the one condition presupposes the other. We've always admired Joni for protecting the ownership of her songs, and rightly so: she was a pioneer. But she had to set up a corporation or two to do that, and when it comes to her wealth, she was more than ready to let Eliot Roberts invest her earnings in real estate which may still account for much of her income. So Joni's a capitalistic so-and-so. She's said as much in interviews, and she's proved herself relentless in litigation (in her own words, she's had to "grow claws" to protect her wealth). And good for her, she helped not only herself but some other musicians, less celebrated than she, recoup money that was unjustly taken from them by the IRS. So Joni's a capitalistic so-and-so. For years she struggled and languished in obscurity, but instead of "going back to women's wear" she stuck it out and became Joni Mitchell. IMHO, she deserves everything she has. Finally, the word "corporation" is nothing but a noun in the English language. There is nothing intrinsically wrong or right about it. It's all in the application.... I've blathered on too long. Love to all, Roberto > > >>A corporation is a legal entity. One thing that is wrong with >corporations >is that the people running them can make bad, illegal or rapacious >decisions, and the can hide behind the shield of protection a corporation >provides. They are not personally liable.<<< > >This works in good ways too...my husband set up a corporation for the work >he does as an inventor, to protect me & our home from anything that might >happen if someone decides to sue him for some reason (he's as honest & >ethical as it comes so its not about doing bad & getting away with it). _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 05:03:41 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: joni on chiris njc I initially thought the Joni mention was only fleeting but the girl, I don't pay much attention to the show and don't know her name but she plays chris's manager, was upset that she and chris had been accused of having an affair. She later said "Joni won't think I am doing this." (paraphrasing) Later still, Joni called her on the phone and asked her to be her manager. I then fell asleep, courtesy of Benadryl. Drats. Someone on that show must be a big Joni fan. Maybe Chris can talk her into a guest spot. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:13:25 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music O'Paz again! Ooooooh! He's always after me Lucky Charms! I remember now, he danced with her cheek to cheek in the city of New Orleans a few years back. I'll add this one to the list of secrets I have to drag out of him! (Was that a blarney stone in your pocket, Mike, or were you just glad to see her?) - -Julius > >>>I turned envy green watching Charles Valentino dance with Joni during > "Comes > Loves." I mean, hey, I can dance those moves and more! What does a guy > have to do to get on your dance card, Joan? ;-)<<< > > You will have to ask tha of Mr. O'Paz > > Happy St Patricks Day to one & all! > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:02:48 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine I apologize if anyone else has posted this info. I'm way behind in my JMDL!! I was excited to see Jaco on the cover of April's JazzTimes. Found a copy at Tower Records. You can see the cover here and some of the story: http://www.jazztimes.com/ Joni is quoted on page 46.............in a blue box. It's a quarter of a page long! She's also mentioned thru-out the article and Hejira is spoken of alot. I don't have time to type it all now..........but hopefully later I can. Freebie of the day: Win a CD (I actually won one a few days ago) www.strudelpalooza.com Some codes you can use: 28506025 16059332 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:42:22 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco in JAZZTIMES magazine I will read this with interest; if HEJIRA is spoken of but not DJRD, I will be curious about that, for sure. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:21:55 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Devil May Care. NJC >Thanks for the report, Bree! Did I mention that she sounds even better live than she does on CD? I was winding down went I posted last night,but I failed to mention the trio that was with her. They were so incredible too!! She did two encores and the lights came up,but the Cincinnati audience was so ripe for more. In fact,she commented several times that she loved the response we were giving her. She said sometimes the crowd could be so sedate,it was if she was looking out at a oil painting. (stone statues) Great Julius!! Looking forward to your report because you write so damn well!! (I think I've mentioned that to you before) She will be in Louisville,Ky 3-26 or 27 which is a two hour drive. If not sold out... I'm seriously thinking about going. (the concert last night was sold-out......weeks in advance) Bree >shipping). Sadly, I missed Sade when she came through the Bay Area, but >tonight, owing to your encouragement, I got tickets to Diana at the Masonic >Auditorium in San Francisco on May 6th. Looking forward to it. > >-Julius > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:19:06 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music In a message dated 3/18/2002 2:35:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrmills@pacbell.net writes: > True to form for my experience with Joni's work, I like PWWAM more and more > as time goes by Julius, that's exactly how I feel with most of Joni's work. It's been quite a long time since I've viewed PWWAM, so I plan on watching it in the next few days. I know this question has been asked before, but I'm gonna ask again before I view PWWAM. Besides Wally B., J.J., Kakki, Pearl, Leslie, Phyllis & Mr. Dulson (and a few people no longer on the list), were there any other JMDLers in attendance during the taping? Also, which listers can be seen in the video? (I do remember seeing Wally and Pearl) Thanks, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:58:39 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mentions ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:11:41 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: corporations njc Robert Holliston wrote: > Hmmmmm..... > > Zsa Zsa's got her diamonds, > Minnie's got her chickens to go, > I've got my corporations, > I'm a capitalistic so-and-so. > > This is a Joni Mitchell self-assessment - More an example of her humor... > > So Joni's a capitalistic so-and-so. Umm...last time I checked she was an artist and a singer/songwriter. To try to say her interests lie in the business world would probably get a big laugh out of her. If capitalism was her focus, I don't think we would be here. This ain't the Madonna Discussion List ; ) RR Steal a little and they throw you in jail Steal alot and they make you king -Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 10:58:15 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music Jimmy, Also in attendance were Steve Mixon, Catherine Turley, Les Irvin, and a few others who are no longer here. After the watching the video numerous times, I was able to spot at least fleeting glimpses of every JMDL'er who attended. There were around 16 of us who were there over both nights of the taping. Kakki > I know this question has been asked before, but I'm gonna ask again before I > view PWWAM. Besides Wally B., J.J., Kakki, Pearl, Leslie, Phyllis & Mr. > Dulson (and a few people no longer on the list), were there any other JMDLers > in attendance during the taping? Also, which listers can be seen in the > video? (I do remember seeing Wally and Pearl) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:21:52 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: joni mentions let me try that again...hello all ! seems like the joni mentions these days are becoming more and more frequent. i was watching " once and again " the other night and was quite pleased when the subject of joni came up. a teacher, played by eric stholz, announces that he will be the advisor of the gay/straight alliance. two of his high school pupils are speculating as to whether he is gay. one says she doesn't think so and the other replies " oh come on, he's single and listens to joni mithchell, of course he's gay ! " ( i've just been reduced to a stereotype !!! ) that's not an exact quote but it is the gist of what was said. i got a good chuckle anyway...later single, gay and listening to joni, warren keith p.s. did anyone see the VH1 special " the corrs: live in dublin ?" i was truely mesmerized!!! their harmonies were heavenly, i guess it's true what they say about voices from one family. i stopped and bought the CD on my way home for lunch today. speaking of things irish, anyone else have corned beef and cabbage yesterday ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:08:11 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's corporations njc Roberto wrote: > > Zsa Zsa's got her diamonds, > > Minnie's got her chickens to go, > > I've got my corporations, > > I'm a capitalistic so-and-so. > > > > This is a Joni Mitchell self-assessment - > > More an example of her humor... And I'd love to hear it put to music lol. One thing about Joni is that she has always been honest about her money and does not hide it or speak out of both sides of her mouth regarding it. > Umm...last time I checked she was an artist and a singer/songwriter. > To try to say her interests lie in the business world would probably > get a big laugh out of her. If capitalism was her focus, I don't think > we would be here. This ain't the Madonna Discussion List ; ) I don't think Roberto said her focus was capitalism. Her livelihood has been made through capitalism, whether it be from the music corporations who promoted and distributed her work or her own corporations which protect her intellectual proerty and her real estate and other investments. It's public record that she fought bitterly for years in litigation against the state of California which had instituted unfair tax laws which were confiscating her earnings and the earnings of other artists. Something I came to know over the years and I won't name names is that a number of those artists from the 60s who were calling for revolution and sharing the wealth were themselves liberally assisted in the establishment of their careers through family trust funds and subsidy. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:35:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni, Inc. <> I think the correct answer probably lies in between the two. Obviously Joni wasn't drawn into the music business solely as an entrepreneur, her muse and talent gave her most of the boost, BUT it's awfully naive to think that she hasn't been very business savvy from the start. Even in her earliest interviews and coffee-house shows, she's talking about making those royalty pennies, and her control of her publishing has been well-advertised. I also think its why her 80's work attempted to be more commercial and recapture the audience she lost with Mingus. After all, she supported WTRF with the biggest world tour she ever did. Plus, I don't think Joni would be so angry with the music business unless she had a strong interest in the commercial viability of her work; she'd just release it & forget it (as some of her peers do). She's much more bitter about the commercial response (or lack thereof). I don't mean this as a criticism of Joni or of her 80's work or anything...just an observation which appears to be suppoerted by her behavior. Bob NP: Elton John, "Rocket Man" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:58:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: corporations njc Yay Roberto, for bringing it all back to Joni! I think it was Bob, (not Dylan) who said all things lead to Joni... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:11:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: corporations njc <> Always! Anybody want to "six degrees" from Britney to Joni? Bob NP: Elton, "Teacher I Need You" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:41:10 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's corporations njc C'mon, name names! Kakki wrote: > Something I came to know over the years and I won't name names is that a > number of those artists from the 60s who were calling for revolution and > sharing the wealth were themselves liberally assisted in the establishment > of their careers through family trust funds and subsidy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:26:14 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni, Inc. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I think the correct answer probably lies in between the two. Obviously Joni wasn't drawn into the music business solely as an entrepreneur, her muse and talent gave her most of the boost, BUT it's awfully naive to think that she hasn't been very business savvy from the start. Even in her earliest interviews and coffee-house shows, she's talking about making those royalty pennies, and her control of her publishing has been well-advertised. When you are dealing with an inherently dishonest business, you had better learn how to count those pennies. But if someone is trying to make the connection between Joni as a savvy business woman, and the abusive power of the corporate culture, well it's quite a stretch. After all, this is the very structure she has had to fight against. I think it's clear from her work how Joni feels about the corporate machinery of today. Is Justice just ice? Governed by greed and lust? Just the strong doing what they can And the weak suffering what they must? ...And Indian chiefs with their old beliefs know The balance is undone.... The madman hangs in fancy homes They wouldn't let him near! He'd piss in their fireplace! Enter the multitudes In Exxon blue In radiation red Tragedy Now you tell me Who're you gonna get to do the dirty work When all the slaves are free? Last night I dreamed I saw the planet flicker Great forests fell like buffalo Everything go sicker and to the bitter end Big business bickered Dog eat dog, you can lie, cheat, skim, scam ....you could get to be a big wig financier "Short sighted business man, nothing lasts for long" RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:36:15 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: RE: corporations njc >Always! Anybody want to "six degrees" from Britney to Joni? > Well, wouldn't the obvious be: Britney Micky Mouse Club Katzenberg Dreamworks Geffen Joni Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:19:04 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's corporations njc > C'mon, name names! Naw.....but one can read many biographies of some of them where it can be discerned from very little reading between the lines. I crack up when I hear some of them today (not Joni) saying how they never earned any money from the record companies back then. Wonder what was paying for the dope, parties and houses then? How were some of them, when first starting out, before the first record contract, and at such a young age, able to have incredible guitars and other musical equipment, endless free time to compose and play music, new Porsches and houses in the Haight and in the canyons? Think about it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:51:35 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: RE: Six degress of Joni and Britney njc Bob wrote: > Always! Anybody want to "six degrees" from Britney to Joni? I can't resist a challenge! I found two (unfortunately - I was hoping there'd be none). Dan Petty, Doug Petty and Andy Hess all played on Britney's album Baby One More Time - All three also played on Shawn Colvin's album Holiday Songs and Lullabies - Shawn Colvin performed at the TNT Joni Tribute, and has covered four of Joni's songs in concert. Or: Dido co-wrote a song on Britney's last album - She featured on Eminem's song Stan - Elton John sang the same song with Eminem - Elton John performed at the TNT Joni Tribute. And you know there may be more.... Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:10:00 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: fleischer hi wally ! who is that woman on page 67, joni's mom, perhaps her grandmother ? i never thought that photo did joni justice but it is more than made up for by the cover shot !!! ( i never realized what nice legs she had till i got that little book. ) thanks for the reply... warren keith p.s. actually keith is my middle name not my last. i have always been called by both my first and middle names as if they were one. ( lordy miss scarlett, i do beleive its a southern thing, like billy bob or rita mae...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:40:28 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters I've got this on TIVO and can write it to a DVD if anyone would ilke it in that format (can do PAL or NTSC). The cost of a blank DVD-R disk is about $5. On Thursday, March 14, 2002, at 06:30 PM, Rick and Susan wrote: > on 3/13/02 6:30 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >> Hey thanks Simon for all that info regarding the films. Who is on the >> case as >> far as taping it for sharing? Ranger Rick? > > I will be taping it, of course, but my VCR is not high-end. It's > actually > very low-end. Still, if a better copy is not available I'll be glad to > offer > mine up for a video tree. > Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:04:18 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: six degrees of Joni SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Anybody want to "six degrees" from Britney to Joni? > I'll do it in five. Britney's boyfriend is Jason Timberlake of n'sync, who portrays a young Elton John on Elton's new video. Elton wrote and recorded with John Lennon, who told Joni "Put some fiddles on your records if you want them to be hits" or something similar. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:12:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Corporations and Yogananda NJC >>>Thanks for clarifying your views on corporations. I get to the point sometimes where I hear so much screaming about them that I start to imagine hordes of angry people holding torches surrounding offices buildings like the scene out of Frankenstein!<<< lol...that is a funny image! thanks for sharing it... >>>I agree that things need to be reviewed and reformed as needed. The big question in my mind with campaign reform is whether it could result in only people with millions of dollars running for elected positions.<<< yes, that would have to be addressed...my simple solution would be to allow spending limits...personally i hope that would get rid of the tv smear campaigns...my new rule of thumb is not to vote for anyone who has those kind of ads...hope i find a canidate i can support..lol... >>>I think Yogananda is so cool and have attended services at the temple in Hollywood. You talk about a peaceful and serene group of people! It was very nice.<<< haven't seen the hollywood temple or the shrine in pacific palisades, but i have been to the grounds at encinitas ages ago, which i remember as beautiful...i have read some passages recently from one of yogananda's books, thus the discussion...yes, meditation does bring peace & serenity...that is the biggest part of what he taught... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:22:18 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: six degrees of Joni I'll do it in 4: britney's boyfriend is justin timberlake who is in elton's new video. elton played Free Man in Paris at the Joni tribute concert two years ago this april. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:22:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: 2002 R&R Hall of Fame (NJC) I just read the inductees for the 2002 R&R Hall of Fame, and I'm so glad to see that two of my faves made it. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers plus The Talking Heads were awarded. The other inductees were Isaac Hayes Brenda Lee, Gene Pitney, Ramones & Chet Atkins. As a non performer, Jim Stewart (no not me) made it for cofounder of Stax records. I always liked "I'm Sorry" by Brenda Lee, but I had no idea that she did so much more for the music industry. Jimmy (not Jim) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:30:08 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Joni on CBC For Canadian Listers: The Joni bio on the CBC program The Life And Times will also air on Newsworld on April 6th (Pt. 1) and 13th (Pt. 2), at 6 a.m. and 3 p.m. ET. That allows the opportunity to tape it three times! Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:42:16 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Quoting Joni on Jaco in JazzTimes Quoting Joni on Jaco Pastorius on page 46 of JazzTimes (April 2002) "The way my musical ear developed was kind of odd. I was attracted first to the high end of music and last the bottom. But by the time I got to the bottom end of music I began to have very strong opinions about what the bass should do and they were in conflict with what the bass was doing. I didn't understand why the high end could have so much freedom and the low end was so locked in. And I would make suggestions to bass players - couldn't they, you know, leave some holes, more like classical music, and go sailing up into the high end and be more expressive. And I would sing the parts to the bass players and ask them to play it and they would refuse. At that particular time there weren't a lot of women in music instructing players, and sometimes bass players would, frankly, get annoyed. I forget who it was now but I was working with a bass player and giving him some instruction and he finally said to me, "Look, Joni, there's this weird bass player in Florida who plays with Phyllis Diller and Bob Hope. You'd probably like him." In other words, he thought what I was telling him was crazy and he thought Jaco's playing was crazy. It's not that he was admiring it but that it was weird. I was weird and Jaco was weird and we would probably get along just fine [laughs]. I didn't want to go back to playing alone: I took a long shot; I sent for Jaco. The bass players that I worked with before just kind of played through it like four beats to the bar, you know, polka-dotting along. And they couldn't see the shapes of the music or where the pressure points were. They couldn't grasp it. So you had to wait for somebody like Jaco to come along who had one foot in rock 'n' roll and one foot in jazz. And when Jaco came in on the dates, he was doing what I wanted, which was a more classical counterpoint to my melodies - and leaving space - and then going into a figure and then leaving another hole and then slurping along and sliding along. He had some interrelationship to the music. There was humor in the right places - so there was a personality there. It was no longer a team player, a good supportive player; it was personality that deserved to be in the foreground. We were conceptually kindred. And to my amazement, not only was he doing some of things I was asking people to do but he was playing Stravinsky figures in the upper middle register and fitting them in all the right places. And his choice of notes and his approach was very similar to what I was trying to get at. So it was as if I dreamed him because I didn't have to give him any instruction. I could just kind of cut him loose and stand back and celebrate his choices." ******************************************************************************* Joni Mentions................ Page 15 inside Jaco Pastorius By Bill Milkowski Jaco was the world's greatest bass player - according to Jaco - before the world even heard one note. But when did his amazing skills first become apparent to those around him, before the world got a piece of him? A new collection, Portrait of Jaco: The Early Years, sheds light on the first moments of Pastorius' evolution from R&B nobody to the world's greatest bassist. Joni Mitchell, Pat Metheny, Ira Sullivan and others testify to his enduring greatness. ************************************************************************ Pg 43... Today, more than 14 years after his tragic death on 9/21/87, at the hands of a bouncer outside a Florida nightclub, we still marvel at what Jaco accomplished in his relatively short span as a creative force on the planet. Not only did he revolutionize the role of his chosen instrument, the fretless electric bass guitar, but he helped change the course of music itself through his innovations. and the proof is right there on the recordings - his stunning 1976 solo debut, Jaco Pastorius, and ambitious follow-up projects, Word of Mouth and Invitation: his brilliant collaborations with Joni Mitchell (notably 1976's masterpiece, Hejira); and a string of six groundbreaking albums with Weather Report (from 1976's Black Market to the landmark Heavy Weather and Grammy-Winning 8:30 to his swan song with the group, 1982's self titled Weather Report). Pg 50... And part of the reason that Portrait of Jaco: The Early Years has taken this long to come to fruition is that Bobbing, the ultimate Jaco fan, needed that much time to do it right. Not only has he drawn from his own personal collection of tapes documenting those R&B bands Pastorious gigged with, but he's gone the extra mile to acquire additional music documenting Jaco's sideman stints with Ira Sullivan, the Peter Graves Orchestra, Pat Metheny, Florida soul man Little Beaver, Weather Report and Joni Mitchell.................. In telling the tale of Jaco Pastorius, Bobbing draws the listener in through word and music, one serving to illustrate or underscore the other. In the end, after hearing several musical discoveries along the way and bearing witness to the eloquent testimony of Wayne Cochran, Joni Mitchell, Joe Zawinul, Pat Metheny and Jaco's die-hard jazzbo father, Jack, we come away with the most complete picture ever assembled of the mythic bass player's rise to glory. Pg 48 Quote from Pat Metheny... .....If you just took Hejira and Heavy Weather and Bright Size Life and his first couple of records - just that little body of work right there sort of significantly changed the course of music in the last quarter of the 20th century, certainly in terms of the role of the bass, bass playing in general and without question the electric bass itself. Looks like a good read! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:09:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music Sorry I don't kiss and tell! Especially to my boooooy Julius, cause then EVERYBODY will know my secret. Right Fucko??? Love Paz on 3/18/02 12:58 AM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: >>>> I turned envy green watching Charles Valentino dance with Joni during > "Comes > Loves." I mean, hey, I can dance those moves and more! What does a guy > have to do to get on your dance card, Joan? ;-)<<< > > You will have to ask tha of Mr. O'Paz > > Happy St Patricks Day to one & all! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:11:04 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music See see ?? See what I told ya??? I NEVER said cheek to cheek either. Where does he get this stuff? O'Paz on 3/18/02 1:13 AM, Julius Raymond at jrmills@pacbell.net wrote: > O'Paz again! Ooooooh! He's always after me Lucky Charms! > > I remember now, he danced with her cheek to cheek in the city of New Orleans > a few years back. I'll add this one to the list of secrets I have to drag > out of him! (Was that a blarney stone in your pocket, Mike, or were you > just glad to see her?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:26:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: (njc) Shakira Meow, meow, aren't we catty now? That part about the roots showing - you are SUCH a girl! The weird thing is, now you mention it, I'm SURE I read about this quite a while ago somewhere (was it here on the jmdl or maybe in some magazine?) about this singer who was "dating" the president's (or ex-pres's) son, said son being really a flamer (if everyone knows, what the hell is the point? but I digress), but of course at the time, none of us in the English-speaking world had heard of Shakira, so it was just another weird Latin-America story, and you could roll your eyes at it and think, Oh, what the HELL are those people doing down there? Or maybe I just dreamed the whole thing up. I didn't really mind her "Whatever, wherever, whenever" (whatever!) song - the weird vocal tick seems to work OK in that one (of course, the lyrics are completely silly - the thing about the breasts and the mountains cracks me right up!) but my daughter downloaded a couple of other songs from musiccity.com and I was holding myself seriously in check trying not to yell, "Turn that bloody thing off!" because it's just so darn parent-ish to do that, y'know. Damn, I hate middle-age. I just don't get it anymore. - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > shakira is from colombia. she's antonio de la rua's > ''beard''. [do you know > what a ''beard is''?] antonio de la rua is the gay > son of former president > fernando de la rua. shakira has been dating antonio > for quite some time. a > recent shakira video features antonio and shakira > dancing to one of her > annoying tunes. > because of the antipathy that people feel for de la > rua, tower records > argentina has put up signs in stores announcing that > they don't sell shakira > products. cool, really. shakira is unbearable. she > uses the celtic hiccup -- > popularized by that cranberries woman -- ad nauseam. > her roots show too. she > should consider a new hair stylist. > wally ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:03:46 -0500 From: "Sherman" Subject: Sunday Beltway Minifest Erin Go Braugh! It was great to get to hear some fabulous music last night and visit with some listers. The soggy weather did not dispel the St. Paddy's Day spirits. No kissin' of the Blarney Stone, but lots of jmdl hugs. Greg's encore gave us all a chance to sing along! (with substitution of Jockey's for stockings) Much Joni, Janine Listers from Massachusetts, DC, PA, MD, NJ, NH, Canada, and Holland. Hope I didn't leave anyone out. I am on a lonely road and I am traveling Traveling, traveling, traveling Looking for something, what can it be Oh I hate you some, I hate you some, I love you some Oh I love you when I forget about me I want to be strong I want to laugh along I want to belong to the living Alive, alive, I want to get up and jive I want to wreck my stockings in some juke box dive Do you want - do you want - do you want to dance with me baby Do you want to take a chance On maybe finding some sweet romance with me baby Well, come on All I really really want our love to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you too All I really really want our love to do Is to bring out the best in me and in you I want to talk to you, I want to shampoo you I want to renew you again and again Applause, applause - Life is our cause When I think of your kisses my mind see-saws Do you see - do you see - do you see how you hurt me baby So I hurt you too Then we both get so blue. I am on a lonely road and I am traveling Looking for the key to set me free Oh the jealousy, the greed is the unraveling It's the unraveling And it undoes all the joy that could be I want to have fun, I want to shine like the sun I want to be the one that you want to see I want to knit you a sweater Want to write you a love letter I want to make you feel better I want to make you feel free ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:32:59 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Painting With Words and Music That's Mister O'Fuck to you home slice. ;-) - -Julius > Sorry I don't kiss and tell! Especially to my boooooy Julius, cause then > EVERYBODY will know my secret. Right Fucko??? > > Love > > Paz > > on 3/18/02 12:58 AM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > > >>>> I turned envy green watching Charles Valentino dance with Joni during > > "Comes Loves." I mean, hey, I can dance those moves and more! What does a guy > > have to do to get on your dance card, Joan? ;-)<<< > > You will have to ask tha of Mr. O'Paz > > Happy St Patricks Day to one & all! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:57:17 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters Now not to be unclear, but what I have is the Painting with Words and Music video which I can make into a DVD for anyone who wishes. Do you suppose that's OK? I'm sure Joni is selling these....I'd feel kind of bad if I was taking away sales......is it not available on PAL at all? If that's the case, then I don't feel bad. :-) On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 09:23 PM, Michael Paz wrote: > OH MY GAWD! Please sign me up for this. Thanks so much for doing this > Mike. > How generous of you to do this with your time. Please let me know where > to > send the check for the blank and postage. Will both shows fir on one > DVD?? > Thanks again > > Paz > > P.S. I attached my trade list in case you want anything I have in lieu > of $. > > Peace > > on 3/18/02 3:40 PM, Mike Friedman at mike@pinataperspective.com wrote: > >> I've got this on TIVO and can write it to a DVD if anyone would ilke it >> in that format (can do PAL or NTSC). The cost of a blank DVD-R disk is >> about $5. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:26:25 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Allison Krauss and Nickel Creek (njc) Fred, As I pulled up the Nickel Creek website, I realized that I did hear this wonderful group just last week on PBS's Bluegrass Salute. You are absolutely right that I do like what little I heard of them very much. They were magnificent! I remember being transfixed by the song that they were performing and wondering who in the heck were these people! I saved there website so that I can read up on them when I have a little more time. Thanks for the tip! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 1:43:49 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Holly Go Lightly (njc) I seem to be forever destined to be surrounded by Hollies. There's my girlfriend Holley, I'm staying with another Holly in Asheville for a couple of weeks, and we went to see Holly go Lightly tonight at Stella Blue, a small venue in Asheville. I had not been familiar with her but apparently, she has released 20 something albums and has a big following. I thought she was great, had a really good sound, rather sultry and entertaining. She said pretty early on that a Monday night in Asheville is better than a Sunday in Atlanta where apparently, she had driven to from New Orleans, played and did not get paid. So more and more, I'm finding I'm not missing anything about Atlanta, except friends. This seems to be where it's at. Victor --- Victor Johnson--- waytoblu@mindspring.com"Roses wait for the springtime,They sleep beneath the ground.They hear March winds a callin'For the spring to come around."vlj Visit http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #123 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?