From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #112 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, March 13 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 112 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 13 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 13 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Bush NJC [FredNow@aol.com] documentary 9/11 ["Kate Bennett" ] Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] njc mirror [colin ] re Bush NJC [colin ] JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters [simon@icu.com] Blue Tapestry ["Paul Castle" ] Very good "Be Good Tanyas" (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: documentary 9/11 [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Bush NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] RE: Family of Tunings [Susan McNamara ] RE: Family of Tunings [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NYRO--Remasters! NJC [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Very good "Be Good Tanyas" (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Very good "Be Good Tanyas" (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Family of Tunings [Susan McNamara ] RE: Family of Tunings [Mark Domyancich ] Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Family of Tunings ["Laurent Olszer" ] Free Joni cover [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Very good "Be Good Tanyas" (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Copy Cat (NJC) behind the scenes [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters ["Kakki" ] Re: Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni in AP English (part one of a long post in two parts) [WARREN901] Re: A couple of Joni films [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Family of Tunings ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni in AP English (part one of a long post in two parts) ["Mark Tatu] Re: Bush (NJC, very much so!) [colin ] Attention United Kingdom!!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: where were you? njc [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Messianen organ works? (njc) [Gil Lamont ] Re: Grace Slick NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: WTC memorial (NJC) [Mags N Brei ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:06:26 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 13 On March 13 the following articles were published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell Confirmed As Bob Dylan Co-Headliner" - Ticketmaster Live Daily website (News Item, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980313tl.cfm 2000: "Both Sides Now" - People (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000313p.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:06:26 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 13 On March 13 in Joni Mitchell History: 1997: Today, Joni is finally reunited with the daughter she gave up for adoption in 1965. Kilauren flies to California with her son for a 19-day visit with her birthmother. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970410ch.cfm http://www.jmdl.com/articles/reunion.cfm - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 03:20:02 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush NJC anne@sandstrom.com wrote: >> Make no mistake, this administration is using the >Sept 11 tragedy as, in Bush's words, "an opportunity" >to take control, to enrich the rich, and to inflict >military superiority over the rest of the planet. > >Unfortunately, I think this is true. Except you forgot >"rape the environment." Damn straight, except you both forgot "curtail civil liberties and personal freedoms, including that of reproductive choice." And at the bottom of it all, the mo'fo' wasn't even legitimately elected. And, no, I won't "get over it" ... it's evil. "Jews For Buchanan," my ass. This shit is starting to make the Reagan years look like some kind of Republican kindergarten. It's a waking nightmare. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:46:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: documentary 9/11 Will this be rebroadcast does anyone know? if so, which station? thanks... >>And I found the documentary 9/11 to be literally stunning.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:46:52 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC I second that emotion! Kakki, do you still have those lyrics? >>>Dear Kakki, I am absolutely, extremely proud of you for placing as a finalist in that competition! There were literally hundreds of thousands of entries and it was quite the deal at that time. What you did was quite an accomplishment! All together now... Yayyyyy... Kakki!<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:08:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: njc mirror At the market I am next to an ex army man, about my age, who has Bi Polar as well. His attitude is what mine use to be about meds. He isn't on any. Yesterday was my first day working next to him. Within an hour I wanted to kill him! he talks talks talks without a pause and jumps from one thing to the next with no obvious thread. Of course I wouldn't kill him and I feel for him. perhaps if I wasn't in the same boat it wouldn't be so hard to deal with. Well, now I know what my dear John and my good friends have had to put up with all these years! I have indeed been loved. My friend Thelma tells me that when manic i would telephone her about 6 times a day and each time I would tell her the same thing. This might be over a period of several days. I asked her why she didn't lose it with me. her reply was'what was the point? i know when you are manic and you can't help it. telling you when manic wouldn't help. You don't know that you have already phoned me 6 times!' John says I would stay up all night talking to him and not even be aware that he had fallen asleep! Where these people get their compassion and strength from I have no idea. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:10:04 +0000 From: colin Subject: re Bush NJC I forgot that i added the word JUST to my comments. Sorry. i forgot that sarcasm/jokes are taken seriously. will try and not do it. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:05:50 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters as some will recall, Joni signed a 3-film contract with Eagle Rock Entertainment, PLC. back in 1997 ('96?). the first film produced was "PAINTING WITH WORDS And MUSIC". originally a 'Pay Per View' broadcast in the U.S. PWWAM was subsequently broadcast by CBC-TV (Canadian Broadcasting Company), on commercial television in an edited form and also released on VideoTape, LaserDisc and DVD. Jim Johanson recently posted some information regarding a 3rd Film to [THE WORD: (3/6/02)]. more about that below. right now? JONI MITCHELL "BOTH SIDES NOW, And THEN" the 2nd film, tentatively scheduled for U.S. broadcast in November 2002 by PBS as part of their truly exceptional series "AMERICAN MASTERS" will have its initial broadcast, in Canada, on CBC-TV as part of their "LIFE And TIMES" series in *2 WEEKS* Tuesday, March 26 at 7:00 pm - Joni Mitchell - Part 1 Tuesday, April 2 at 7:00 pm - Joni Mitchell - Part 2 "Joni Mitchell has been called the most influential recording artist of the late 20th century. A rare, intimate look at a multi-award winning musician who is as private and reflective as the lyrics for which she is celebrated." here's some information from the CBC-TV WebSite. "The sweep and drama of Canadian lives take pride of place in Life & Times. These biographies introduce us to the struggles, the triumphs and trials of real people and their true stories - each one a thread in the fabric of a nation, and the times in which we live. The series shows how individuals make history, not always through circumstances of their own choosing. We see that we are not the first generation to struggle with great moral issues. These are the stories that Canadians can contribute to the great library: the memory of the world." here's a little more information about the "Life And Times" series for the benefit of our non-Canadian members. ABOUT THE SHOW The triumphs, trials and true stories of dynamic Canadians are the focus of Life & Times, Canada's premier biography series hosted by award-winning novelist, playwright and actor Ann-Marie MacDonald. Life & Times is back for a sixth exciting season. Our line-up includes musical stars Bruce Cockburn, JONI MITCHELL and the Barenaked Ladies, the story of the Bata shoe empire, activist Maude Barlow, golf legend Moe Norman and the dean of Canadian TV journalism, our own Knowlton Nash. In honour of the 2002 Winter Olympics, Life & Times is profiling several distingushed Olympic athletes, including hockey's hottest player Mario Lemieux, the inspiring story of curler Sandra Schmirler and figure skaters Toller Cranston and Elizabeth Manley. Join us Tuesdays at 7 p.m. on CBC TV for the compelling stories of these and other Canadians who have made an impact. Over the years, Life & Times has presented over 100 compelling profiles of such extraordinary Canadians as Tommy Douglas, Jim Carrey, Don Cherry, Mordecai Richler, Glenn Gould, the Dionne quintuplets, Mary Walsh and Margaret Trudeau-Kemper. Life & Times programmes have garnered numerous awards including four Geminis and multiple Hot Docs awards. Join host Ann-Marie MacDonald for intimate, hour-long biographies which reflect the true stories of Canadians. Each week a different story - one more thread in our country's fabric. Together a definitive family portrait. the two 1-hour programs will Not be the Final word/version of this new documentary. keep in mind that a 1-hour program on 'Commercial' television usually contains 42-to-44 minutes of actual programming (per hour). on the other hand, the PBS/AMERICAN MASTERS version will time-out somewhere between 52-to-55 minutes (per hour). it's not yet clear whether the DVD Release will contain extra material (or not). as of this moment the 'Final' edit (for CBC-TV) is not yet complete, although a copy of the 1st hour was sent to Joni last week for her viewing pleasure (and approval). she'll probably get a preview of the 2nd hour later this week. time is tight and the work continues. all things considered -- the March 26th broadcast deadline for the CBC-TV broadcast was somewhat unrealistic, but will be met. the producers' work will continue at a somewhat more relaxed pace preparing the final PBS/DVD edition. as for the film itself, the story is being told by the participants, primarily by Joni herself, using a variety of Interviews recorded at various times during her career. there is no narrator. the producers have interviewed a number of indiviauals including Elliott Roberts, David Geffen, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Neil Young as well as Joni's parents and JONI herself. (I think) they also spoke with Mr. Kratzman and i seem to recall being told that they'd even located Ray, an old high-school friend of Joni's. y'all remember Ray? don't ya?, his dad owned a Cadillac. the most recent interview (2 wks. ago) was with Joel Bernstein. Joels' participation has been crucial. he's been there as photographer, and friend, guitar tech, witness and participant, from the beginning. his knowledge and perception of Joni's music and her place within the overall context of the musical and cultural events of the times gives him a unique perspective not shared by many. and since he viewed the other interviews first, he was able to fill in some of the areas not addressed by others. it's surprising how late in the process (12-20-01) it was before the producers hooked up with him. nonetheless, they'd done their homework and research very well, obtaining a variety of films, videos, photographs (especially Joels') articles and other memoribilia. a variety of items photographed or filmed were from my own collection, including the "Spirit Of The Forest Video", a rare little item that even Joel hadn't seen. i'm sure you'll all find it interesting. every effort is being made to see to it that this is the definitive Video Documentary. and now for ... THE WORD ~ (3/6/02) Entertainment Weekly published a short article this week with a few new bits of information on Allison Anders' videotaping of the recent recording sessions for Joni's next CD, tentatively titled The Circle Game. In addition to musicians such as Herbie Hancock and Wayne Shorter, who contributed to her last orchestral outing Both Sides Now, we can also expect to hear Ry Cooder, Billy Preston and possibly Neil Young, according to the EW article. "Some of it is material she did as a young girl, with a soprano voice and an acoustic guitar, now with an orchestra and an alto," says filmmaker Anders. "It's so interesting to hear these same songs with wisdom," she enthuses. "Not that she wasn't wise before, but it's like 'I thought I was on to something before, and now I know I am.'" Alas, one piece of important information nobody has mentioned yet is a release date. I'll let you know as soon as I hear anything. First reported in the LA Times late last year (scroll down this page to the newsblurb from 12/4/01 for information on that report), the CD will feature Joni performing with 77 members of the London Symphony Orchestra -- although the EW article sports a nostalgic picture of Joni holding an acoustic guitar. ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY ARTICLE ON ALISON ANDERS' DOCUMENTARY BTW: i don't know if, when or how -- BUT; i do know that some of the recording sessions for the BOTH SIDES NOW album were also filmed. more later. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- PS: there may? be a 4th. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 12:59:49 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Blue Tapestry Clive Brothers clivebrothers@hotmail.com wrote >Absolutely sublime Joni and Carole King. >The best concert I've been to in years. Kevin pyramus@lineone.net wrote >Blue Tapestry is the name of a nationwide tour >presently undertaken by the folk duo While and >Matthews, celebrating the music of Joni Mitchell >and Carole King. I think Paul Castle mentioned >this on the list a few weeks ago. Thanks Paul. >Were you there? Unfortunately not - and I don't think I'm going to get the chance to see it as they're not coming to London on this tour. Shame, as I've never seen them live but hear they're first rate. Whilst I don't know them personally, we do have a small connection - Irish singer Frances Black (sister of Mary Black) recorded songs by Chris, Julie and myself on her album 'The Sky Road', which reached # 2 on the Irish charts a while back. All the very best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:02:28 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Very good "Be Good Tanyas" (NJC) As someone who likes to think "I can pick 'em" (don't we all?), I was thrilled to see those three Canadian 'ramblin'gals', the Be Good Tanyas, at The Borderline in London last night. The club, next to Foyles Bookshop off Charing Cross Road, had been completely sold out for over a week and still there was a long queue (line up) for returns - not bad for a relatively unknown string band on their first tour of the UK!! I first saw them last year at the Vancouver Folk Alliance Showcase, which was hosted by Canadian dulcimer player Rick Scott (some might remember Rick's story about being picked up by Joni when he was hitchhiking up the Sechelt coast, which I've posted on the list). I know Rick was really pleased when Samantha Parton from the Tanyas said she had grown up listening to his band's (Pied Pumkin String Ensemble) albums. I thought then that the Be Good Tanyas were a name for the future - sublime country stringband harmonies - and Frazey Ford has one great individual voice that really gets the hairs on the back of my neck a'buzzing (or whatever!) They started last night's set with a new song called 'Horses' (new to me anyway, as it's not on their 'Blue Horse' album, which featured Samantha on ukelele (I was amused to hear a hard-nut looking London geezer standing next to me say "wow, you dunt see many uke-players these days". They did most of the songs from their album - "The Littlest Birds" and "Only in the Past" my personal faves - although when someone in the audience shouted out for them to play 'Lakes of Pontchartrain', they said they haven't kept that one up to speed. They went on to play a steaming version of "In My Time of Dying" (well well well!!) and finished their set with Geoff Berner's song "Light Enough to Travel" joined on stage by their friends, Australian trio 'The Waifs', who are also touring over here - really great night. All the best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 08:26:47 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: documentary 9/11 In a message dated 3/13/2002 4:41:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > Will this be rebroadcast does anyone know? if so, which station? thanks... > I videotaped it, if anyone wants a copy. Just send a blank video tape in a self-addressed, stamp envelope, with a note saying what you want to: Ashara Stansfield 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 06:21:49 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Bush NJC > Damn straight, except you both forgot "curtail civil liberties and personal > freedoms, including that of reproductive choice." Too true, Fred. And anyone who thinks dissension is un-American or un-patriotic hasn't read the Constitution. Hell, Jefferson thought there should be a revolution every 25 years! (although I'm not a Jefferson fan- it's probably the New Englander in me that prefers Adams, in spite of his dreadful error in passing the Sedition Acts.) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:22:25 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Family of Tunings Hi Laurent: I'm pretty sure that the tabs that are designated from Hits/Misses are cross-listed with the tab from the original album. The songs are not different, since Hits/Misses is basically Joni's greatest hits album. I'm assuming you are talking about the song Dog Eat Dog and not the album? The only song I personally tabbed from DED was Impossible Dreamer and that was one of my invented tunings since ID is a piano song. I could never get past Joni/Dolby's wall of sound to figure out the tunings on that album. I left that to my trusty compatriots Marian, Mark and Howard. I just checked and we don't have a tab of DED on the site! Sacreblue! what happened!! I guess we have a mission! There is a transcription of the song Dog Eat Dog in the Misses songbook, which I will look at tonight. Another one of those Joni songs where I look at the tuning and say, yeah right, I might be able to play that and make it sound good, duh! But you don't know till you try, right? hmmm, now how am I going to get through work today obsessing about this song...i guess i better drink more coffee!! :-) Mark, Marian, Howard, have you devised a version of Dog Eat Dog yet? take care, sue At 8:58 AM -0500 3/13/02, Susan McNamara wrote: >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:32:58 -0000 >From: "Laurent Olszer" >Subject: Family of Tunings > >Thanks to Sue's brilliant idea, I decided to reorganize my Joni tablatures by >family of tunings. This saves so much time I would say it's the greatest >thing since mouse traps. >This french jazz singer I've began playing with has a voice and a range that >is uncannily similar to Joni (whom she barely even heard of up to 1 month >ago). So the time has come to get serious. > >Looking at the JMDL guitar search engine, I noticed some tablatures are made >from the Hits/Misses versions. >I never bought these CDs thinking these were the same versions as on the >albums. Was I wrong? > >Sue, Marian, Howard, anybody pleaaaaase can you help me out with Dog Eat Dog's >tuning/chords? > >Laurent - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:28:16 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Family of Tunings Sue asked: > Mark, Marian, Howard, have you devised > a version of Dog Eat Dog yet? I'm pretty sure DED is a piano tune (somewhere in all the stacks of tape tree cassettes I have at home there's an interview with Joni where she plays DED and ID on the piano). No reason why someone couldn't invent a guitar version, though. Probably the version of DED in the Hits/Misses songbook is in standard tuning. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:30:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters Hey thanks Simon for all that info regarding the films. Who is on the case as far as taping it for sharing? Ranger Rick? While you're at it, tape them Barenaked Ladies too! Oh, wait a minute, that's a soft-rock band, right? Never mind. ;~) Bob NP: Tommy James & The Shondells, "Love's Closin' In On Me" (state of the art 60's power pop!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:36:02 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: NYRO--Remasters! NJC Newsflash! Last night I happened to be surfing the AMG website (www.allmusic.com) and found this instead. It seems Columbia/Legacy will soon be releasing new, remastered, expanded (yes, expanded) versions of the following... 1. "Eli And The Thirteenth Confession" 2. "New York Tendaberry" 3. "Gonna Take A Miracle" Can you believe it? Unfortunately, they're the only three they mention. But hey--I'm certainly not going to complain. I think I'm in shock right now, but I had to share! I knew some of you would want to know. If I don't die from sheer anticipation, I guess I'll be alright. This is truly something of a miracle for us Nyrotics. Does anyone else have any further information on this? XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:12:34 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Very good "Be Good Tanyas" (NJC) In a message dated 3/13/2002 8:04:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > As someone who likes to think "I can pick 'em" > (don't we all?), I was thrilled to see those three > Canadian 'ramblin'gals', the Be Good Tanyas, at > The Borderline in London last night. Thanks for the info on this group Paul. I've never heard of the "Be Good Tanyas" before, but I listened to some clips from their "Blue Horse" cd and they're pretty good. I'm curious if they named the group after Tanya Harding :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:32:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Very good "Be Good Tanyas" (NJC) <> But isn't she "Tonya" and not "Tanya"? I thought the same thing when I saw that name, Jimmy. Or maybe they were referring to Patty Hearst's alter-ego "Tania"? Speaking of Ms. Harding, she will taking on Paula Jones in Fox TV's first installment of "Celebrity Boxing", and also ex-Partridge Family guy Danny Bonaduce mixes it up with ex-Brady Buncher Barry Williams. Todd Bridges, ex-Different Strokes guy is also featured but I forget who's sliming into the ring with him. This should be quite an event. I just KNOW that John Waters will be watching. Just when you think our culture has hit a new low, here comes Fox-TV! ;~) Bob NP: Jane's Addiction, "Whores" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:35:22 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Family of Tunings Thanks, Marian. Had forgotten that DED was a piano song. FYI: here are the songs that are tabbed off DED on the guitar site: Impossible Dreamer * from Dog Eat Dog, Chords by Sue McNamara, Tuning: DAEGBD (D77345) http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/impossibledreamer-sm-c.cfm Lucky Girl * ['This tab is closest to the way Joni plays it' - Marian Russell] from Dog Eat Dog, Chords by Marian Russell, Tuning: CGDEAC (C77253) http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/luckygirl-mr-c.cfm Shiny Toys * ['This tab is closest to the way Joni plays it' - Marian Russell] from Dog Eat Dog, Chords by Marian Russell, Tuning: DADF#AD (D75435) http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/shinytoys-mr-c.cfm The Three Great Stimulants * ['This tab is closest to the way Joni plays it' - Marian Russell] from Dog Eat Dog, Chords by Marian Russell, Tuning: CGCEGC (C75435) http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/thethreegreatstimulants-mr-c.cfm >Sue asked: > >> Mark, Marian, Howard, have you devised >> a version of Dog Eat Dog yet? > >I'm pretty sure DED is a piano tune (somewhere in all the stacks of tape >tree cassettes I have at home there's an interview with Joni where she plays >DED and ID on the piano). No reason why someone couldn't invent a guitar >version, though. Probably the version of DED in the Hits/Misses songbook is >in standard tuning. > >Marian - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:49:46 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: RE: Family of Tunings I agree with Marian that DED would be a difficult song to make a tab for considering it's a piano only song, but I don't think it would be impossible to arrange something based on the piano chords. Was Dog Eat Dog really on Misses?!? Mark, who really should finish his Strange Boy tab :) NP-Medeski Martin & Wood, 12/16/00 - Note Blue At 9:22 AM -0500 3/13/02, Susan McNamara wrote: >Mark, Marian, Howard, have you devised a version of Dog Eat Dog yet? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:52:44 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters This is going to be so great to watch! So let me get this straight: it will be broadcasted on CBC in 2 weeks in possibly shorter form, and broadcasted on American Masters in November to slightly longer lengths? I'm really excited to see the interview with Joel Bernstein considering he's done very, very little talking about anything Joni since he met up with her. They should really just devote the whole hour to him! (joking ;) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:00:15 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: Re: Bush (NJC, very much so!) Gosh, I hope this doesn't escalate too much and consume too much of the list. Does my replying to it cause it to? I suppose it could, so I'll try to use restraint. The US attacks aren't about revenge, and they're not about "foreign lifestyles." They are all about eliminating the groups that perform these acts of terrorism, and the US is not the only country, by far, to be a victim of these attacks over the last twenty years. As such, the existence of the US use of force should not make anyone feel that the US is insular, since we're trying to rid the world of that which seeks to destroy not only us but many other countries as well, and we're the only nation that has the ability to do it. > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 07:31:10 +0000 > From: colin > Subject: Re: Bush (NJC, very much so!) > > Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > > > Colin, > > > > Well yes, maybe. If you're saying it's a shame for > > everyone, and there are no winners, then yeah, I > > agree. > > what i said was quite clear. I gave the amounts killed. No comment. How > you interpret is up to you. > I didn;t mention 'devil america'. Stupid if I did as this involves the > UK. > And you wonder why i feel the US can be insular! > > > > If on the other hand, you're implying that Devil > > America has killed more souls than it had a right to; > > if you're saying that somehow Devil America should > > have stopped when it hit the magic number (when > > retaliation was achieved), then no, I don't agree. > > I don't think any should have been killed. > > > > > terrorists who are willing to > > kill schoolchildren merely because they represent a > > foreign lifestyle. > > 3800 men women and children killed by us and uk bombs. > > The attacks are not about 'foreign lifestyles'though it seems it suits > people to think so. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:24 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Family of Tunings > Hi Laurent: Hi Sue > I'm assuming you are talking about the song Dog Eat Dog and not the > album? Yes indeed. The only song I personally tabbed from DED was Impossible > Dreamer and that was one of my invented tunings since ID is a piano > song. I could never get past Joni/Dolby's wall of sound to figure > out the tunings on that album. I left that to my trusty compatriots > Marian, Mark and Howard. I just checked and we don't have a tab of > DED on the site! Sacreblue! what happened!! I guess we have a > mission! There is a transcription of the song Dog Eat Dog in the > Misses songbook, which I will look at tonight. Sorry I don't have that songbook. If it's there could you scan it? Sacrebleu is right, DED is probably the album with the fewer songs transcribed on the search engine, how unfair. Another one of those > Joni songs where I look at the tuning and say, yeah right, I might be > able to play that and make it sound good, duh! But you don't know > till you try, right? hmmm, now how am I going to get through work > today obsessing about this song...i guess i better drink more > coffee!! :-) Whatever works for you! > > Mark, Marian, Howard, have you devised a version of Dog Eat Dog yet? > Thanks for the positive energy from all of you. I'll email you off list. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:20:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Free Joni cover Work week getting you down? Help out your "hump day" by telling your boss to go suck an egg, and kick back and enjoy a soothing Joni cover! This time 'round it's "Carey" by New Orleans sensation Theresa Andersson: http://www.rabadash.com/theresaandersson/ Happy listening! Bob NP: Al Jarreau, "Burst In With The Dawn" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:29:25 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Very good "Be Good Tanyas" (NJC) Bob wrote: <> Todd Bridges is boxing against Robert Van Winkle (Vanilla Ice). BIG LOL!!!! Yes, I think FOX tv has sunk to a new low! Maybe they'll have a musicians "Celebrity Boxing". I can just see it now: CHRISSIE HYNDE VS. CARLY SIMON (with Joni Mitchell officiating) :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:31:47 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Copy Cat (NJC) behind the scenes In a message dated 3/11/02 2:55:36 PM, pholden@iprimus.ca writes: << I love Sigourney too..always have.... did you ever see the movie Copy Cat? >> Hey, Mags -- Good for you if you look like Sigourney -- or Maura T, for that matter. I get a kick out of kickass women, myself. I sure *do* know the Copy Cat movie -- not only was it shot in part here in SF, but a friend of mine was the head of makeup on the shoot. There was a prima donna of a stand-in for one of the women murdered, who had nothing but non-stop whining and compaints to contribute. The line director, who *should* have told her *everything* about the scene, had left it to my friend, Stephan, head of makeup, to tell her: She was to be found nude and bruised at the top of Twin Peaks, which is almost always cold and windy. She whined and complained, and Stephan sent her to the line director. There was quite a scene, and Stephan knew the line director would be annoyed. The LD brough the woman back, soothing her with quiet words. When they came up to Stephan, the LD's eyes shot daggers at Stephan, who smiled sweetly. "Stephan will take good care of you," said the LD. Just as the LD walked away, leaving the grumbling prima donna with Stephan, a grip showed up in a pickup truck -- with his two Siberian Huskies in tow. He explained to the LD that the dog's caretaker was sick, and was it all right if the dogs just hung around for the day -- they were well behaved? The LD said, Fine, just keep them out of the way." Stephan heard this as he was applying the bruise makeup to the prima donna, but *she* was too busy grumbling about how terribly she was being treated. When she finally saw the dogs playing, she saied to Stephan, "What are those dogs doing here?" Stephan had had enough. He said, "Oh, don't worry, they're extremely well trained." "Oh," said the young woman. "They're in the movie?" "Oh, didn't the line director tell you? They're in the scene with you." "With me? But aren't I supposed to be dead?" "Well, yes -- on command, they'll come over to you, sniff 'the body', and then one of them will lift its leg and..." When prima Donna screamed and staked off in search of the LD, Stephan made off for the coffee truck, got a quick coffee, and hid behind the truck. By the time the LD found Stephan, he'd cooled off quite a bit. "Okay, Stephan I deserved that. But are you finished with the bruise stuff?" "Not quite, but I think one of my assistants can finish it. " Don't you love behind-the-scenes stories? Fondly, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:16:52 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters Good heavens, simon, what a huge amount of good news all in one sitting! I had to re-read your email 3 times to take it all in and feel positively giddy. This is so incredibly wonderful. > as for the film itself, the story is being told by the participants, > primarily by Joni herself, using a variety of Interviews recorded > at various times during her career. there is no narrator. > the producers have interviewed a number of indiviauals including > Elliott Roberts, David Geffen, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Neil Young > as well as Joni's parents and JONI herself. > (I think) they also spoke with Mr. Kratzman and i seem to recall > being told that they'd even located Ray, an old high-school friend > of Joni's. This almost sounds like it is partially her official film autobiography - maybe as an adjunct to the written autobiography she has been working on the past several months. > it's surprising how late in the process (12-20-01) it was before > the producers hooked up with him. nonetheless, they'd done their > homework and research very well, obtaining a variety of films, > videos, photographs (especially Joels') articles and other > memoribilia. a variety of items photographed or filmed were from > my own collection, including the "Spirit Of The Forest Video", a > rare little item that even Joel hadn't seen. > and now for ... Many congratulations for your contributions, simon. As for Joel Bernstein, the word that has gone around for awhile is that he has been very busy working with Neil Young the past few years on several projects, and also with putting together the Buffalo Springfield boxset. It seems he is finally freed up now to work on the JONI projects ;-) > In addition to musicians such as Herbie Hancock and Wayne >Shorter, who contributed to her last orchestral outing >Both Sides Now, we can also expect to hear Ry Cooder, >Billy Preston and possibly Neil Young, according to the >EW article. Someone (sorry I don't recall who) posted about this the other day and it was very intriguing and fantastic to hear about the inclusion of Cooder, Preston and Young. > PS: there may? be a 4th. Yahoo!! Thanks so much for the update! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:23:57 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC > I second that emotion! Kakki, do you still have those lyrics? Thanks, Kate, yes it is one of the few songs I remember, but I'm too shy to post the lyrics here. I feel about them like Joni does about the early songs she wrote in her 20s (naive, etc.) Maybe with a martini to soften me up, I'll play it for you someday ;-) The song has sort of a personal "I love L.A." and nothing can drag me away theme, but it is not like Randy Newman's song and was written long before his. It also definitely shows Joni influence ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:53:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JONI: CBC-TV and PBS/American Masters simon@icu.com wrote: > Joni's > next CD, tentatively titled The Circle Game. > > Alas, one piece of important information nobody has > mentioned yet is a release date. I shall venture to guess that they would tie it into the US debut of the film on PBS....my money's on November release of the CD, but maybe it will be sooner. Or later. That about covers it. Simon, thanks for the great info, and very cool that you provided some source material for the film!! RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:16:43 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: A couple of Joni films In addition to these films,which are out of print (or never in print) according to Blockbuster, there is another mystery film with Joni content listed in Blockbuster's Joni filmography (15 films!), called "Mini Musicals" (1975), with Sonny & Cher, Jim Croce (again), Joni, and Helen Reddy. Again not in print. Another listed is "Changes" (1969). It is not clear whether Joni is in this one or provided music, but this one is rent-able. None of these are listed in Leonard Maltin's 20,000 title movie guide. The whole list of Joni films: http://www.blockbuster.com/bb/person/details/0,7621,BIO-P+49683,00.html? RR SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Was wondering if anyone can provide some information on the following Joni-movie questions: > > - A 1986 Jean Luc-Godard made for TV film, "Grandeur et Dicadence D'Un Petit Commerce De Cinema" has some JC, either a Joni song or something. Anybody know anything about this flick? > > -A 1985 film called "Fantastic All-Electric Music Movie" lists Joni as a cast member. I'm assuming it's a performance piece as the other "cast" members include Jim Croce, Stan Kenton, The Kinks, & Melanie. ANy knowledge on THIS one? > > I'll do some info-hunting on my end, just wondering if anybody's heard of these... > > Bob > > NP: Joe Jackson, "Target" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:24:46 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in AP English (part one of a long post in two parts) greetings joniphiles ! i really enjoyed reading this post: partly because it brought back memories, and partly because i thought it was a wonderful way to introduce a new generation to one of pop music's conssumate artists ! when i was in high school, we're talking late 60's early 70's, i had a gradute student for an english teacher. he assigned us a similar project with the exception that we were to pick the artist. naturally i picked joni, and since LOTC had just been released i choose "for free," " conversation," ( one of my favorite songs ) and " rainy night house," to include in my project. i had a crush on the teacher and the fact that i thought the assignment was so cool deepened that feeling. ( it was the first crush i had on an older man that i actually knew ! ) i digress...on with the matter at hand. we had to hand out lyrics, give a biography, tell why we choose the artist, and play the music. after we played the music we were responsible for heading a disscussion and answering questions. i had such fun with the assignment and was surprised that the majority of the class had know idea who joni was. ( that's what you get for going to high school with a bunch of southern red-necks !) after class the teacher pulled me aside and said i was a breath of fresh air amongst all the "necks." needless to say i was dreamy eyed and weak in the knees. then when i finally got around to going to college in the mid 80's i took an intro to poetry class. the teacher assigned a similar task as the high school teacher had. this time i picked ' reoccurring dream." we had to recite the lyrics, play the artists version of the song, and head a disscussion. i got a similar response in that most of my fellow students were not familiar with our joan. i had not thought about these experiences in a while and when i did i got the " warm and fuzzies ! " thanks for a stoll down memory lane... fond memories of joni, warren keith p.s. bob, i haven't forgotten about my joni concert/meeting story. it is forthcoming... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:32:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A couple of Joni films The "Mini-Musicals" is a collection of the little animations, Joni's is BYT that's included on the last video tree. Joni's involvement in "Changes" was as a writer only. Ralna English (Lawrence Welk fans will know her as half of "Guy & Ralna") does a cover of BSN for the soundtrack. I actually bought the album from E-Bay for the track. So those two I know about, but that damn Godard film has me stuck. Still sleepless, Bob NP: Jethro Tull, "We Used To Know" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:39:20 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Family of Tunings Or sliced bread! Here is the page where you will find it already done for you courtesy of Marian Russell: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/tuningpat_pattern.cfm >Thanks to Sue's brilliant idea, I decided to reorganize my Joni tablatures by >family of tunings. This saves so much time I would say it's the greatest >thing since mouse traps.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:04:54 -0600 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: Re: Joni in AP English (part one of a long post in two parts) Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. I used to be a high school teacher myself (science instead of English) and I miss a lot of things about teaching, but not the pay, which was and still is very low in Louisiana. Maybe I'll return to it one day if I can afford it. Anyway, I hope the zenith of recognition for Joni's talent is still in the future, but most of all I hope that there is much more to come from her in the future. >>> 03/13/02 01:24PM >>> greetings joniphiles ! i really enjoyed reading this post: partly because it brought back memories, and partly because i thought it was a wonderful way to introduce a new generation to one of pop music's conssumate artists ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:16:37 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Bush (NJC, very much so!) > As such, the existence > of the US use of force should not make anyone feel that the US is insular, the insular comment wasn't about that, it was about the 'devil america' comment. Since the Uk and other countries have been involved in the killing in Afghanistan, it was not approapriate and did nothing to asuage the feeling of America being insular. sometimes I really think that english and american are totally different languages. > > since we're trying to rid the world of that which seeks to destroy not > only us but many other countries as well, and we're the only nation that > has the ability to do it. > I am really not sure that this is true. With the recent announcements about the us of nukes, if need be, and the UK's compliance with this, it would seem we all have far much more to fear from our own countries. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:28:58 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Attention United Kingdom!!!!! DISCLAIMER: Sorry for not labeling this NJC, but I want to catch everyone that is in the UK, even if they are on Joni-only. After this initial post, I won't do it again for this thread. Mea Culpa!! Sal and I are going to try again this year to get to England, and possibly Ireland if it's fesible to do both in one trip. We'll be coming in probably for the last week in July and the first week of August. I'm aiming for the Cambridge Folk Festival, which is August 1-4. (I would say "we're" aiming for it, but the truth is, Sal will be going there kicking and screaming.) LOL!! The other thing I really want to do is go down to the Cornwall, Devon, Newquay area. Do any of you have ideas of what else we should see and do? Preferably a bit off the beaten path, not the "typical tourist stuff." Please e-mail me off list, and let me know if you want to be included in an e-mail group thing for this purpose. I welcome any and all ideas!!! Will Foni Mitchell be playing any time around then? Shall we do a mini Jonifest??? :-) Hugs, Ashara Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:34:11 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: where were you? njc In a message dated 3/12/2002 9:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > And in regard to this thread, Les, I owe you and the list an apology. After > installing Windows XP we had trouble with the computer and Travis ended up > having to start from scratch, reconstructing everything once or twice. In > the process, all of my email files went to the Land of Lost Data and the > 9/11 posts I was saving for Les to archive on the JMDL site went with them. > Well..........I don't have the time, but if someone did, they could go back through the archives around that time period and get them. They are all there. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:01:48 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Messianen organ works? (njc) Long, long ago, Victor wrote: >Anyone familiar with the composer Messianen? A touring >organist will be in Atlanta this Saturday, peforming his entire >works for organ for free starting at 1:00 pm and ending at 9:30, >performing on a very nice pipe organ at the Cathedral in >Buckhead. I was thinking I would try to catch some of it. The last >time I went to an organ recital was in Guadalajara in '90...I >remember being overwhelmed by the sheer power and passion >conveyed in the music... I assume you mean Olivier Messiaen. What little I've heard of his organ music is every bit as magical as his greatest hit, Quatour pour le fins du temp. This "quartet for the end of time" was written in a German POW camp during WWII for the musicians available, and has a timeless sense to it. If you attended the concert and there was a program, you might have noticed that the bulk of Messiaen's music is overtly religious. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:07:53 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Grace Slick NJC Once upon a time Kate wrote: >I saw her during her peak at the Filmore East, then a year or so later at >Woodstock. The Airplane set was one of the highlights from my Woodstock >experience. They played at sunrise after the rainstorms had passed. I can't >recall which song it was now, but it was the perfect soundtrack for the >beautiful new day & one of the most profound combinations of music >complementing nature. On the Woodstock CDs, you can hear Grace saying "everyone is vibrating" when the Airplane comes on stage. That's because the acid was starting to peak. Like the Doors and Country Joe and a bunch of other bands, the Airplane (and Grace) occupy that small cosmos of time when everything they sang had special meaning Just For Me, and I took their messages to heart. Each album was a revelation, a mystic document that would yield up its treasures after prolonged listening, until it beat in my blood. Too bad about the Jefferson Starship then just Starship thing. I love the fact that Grace was born Grace Wing. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:13:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: WTC memorial (NJC) Heather wrote: > < feelings on this matter. > I think there are many folks, like Kakki, who's minds are " still > kind of a > blank on it ". Mine included. The wound is still too fresh. > So what's my point? Only to keep discussing our emotions and > resolve.>>> > Heather, I've enjoyed your thoughts as well as the thoughts and images put forth by others ... and yes, as you say, the wound is still fresh.I know that my post did not offer a solution to your quest, however, I wrote what I did about the CD that the Canadian folk musicians have created because I saw what it meant to each and every one of them to be able to do that in order to help ease the suffering of others. We are so deeply impacted here too. Music is such a great healer of pain.(one of the reasons Ive loved Joni for all these years...it's all there). And I know that every time I listen to that Tears of A Thousand Years CD, it helps, soothes, comforts me, gives my feelings a place to go. Just as it helped me to see the documentary. Very difficult to explain. The effects are far from 'over'. I met a lot of the musicians after the concert that night and believe me, they were just as moved as the we were. Lots of shared tears that night and beyond. Mags. npimh: My Last Breath, Katherine Wheatley from Tears of A Thousand Years.. ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #112 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?