From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #110 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 110 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 11 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 11 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Whitney's flatulence, cf. w/ Dionne W. - njc [Julius Raymond ] Re: Not for Free [Susan McNamara ] Re: hello again [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: hello again [AsharaJM@aol.com] Coinicidences, and Carol North (NJC) ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: The Last Waltz" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Beltway Minifest [Lori in MD ] Cheiftains/Rolling Stone [Michaelpaz@aol.com] RE: Not for Free ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: hello again [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: Not for Free [Susan McNamara ] Re: The Last Waltz" ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Jounings ["William Waddell" ] (njc)A**hole Overlords, who won't ever ever ever answer their phones... [] "America's Best" ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Jounings [Susan McNamara ] Erika Luckett tour in the SW/RM(njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Bush NJC [colin ] Re: Jounings [AsharaJM@aol.com] jonifest logo ["marianne marianne" ] WTC memorial (totally NJC) [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Re: Grace Slick NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: WTC memorial (totally NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: WTC memorial (totally NJC) [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Coinicidences, and Carol North (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Whitney's flatulence, cf. w/ Dionne W. - njc [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: WTC memorial (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:08:42 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 11 On March 11 the following article was published: 1998: "On the Concert Trail" - Los Angeles Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980311lat.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:08:42 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 11 On March 11 in Joni Mitchell History: 1970: Joni wins the Best Folk Performance category for "Clouds" at the 12th Annual Grammy Awards. 1972: Today, future jimdler Steve Dulson snaps a great shot of Joni performing at the Berkeley Community Theater. More info: http://members.aol.com/tinkerjoni/joni.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:33:31 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Whitney's flatulence, cf. w/ Dionne W. - njc > Also, Whitney's "I Will Always Love You" makes me want to dive head first > into the nearest wood chipper. I once had a severe panic attack in a Hallmark > store when that song was blaring over the PA. I couldn't get out of there > fast enough! I'd love to know what Dolly Parton (who wrote the song) really > thinks of Whitney's version. > > --Bob I don't know what Dolly *really* thought of it, but Whitney's take on the song sold a gazillion copies, the proceeds of which generated a hefty writer's royalty for Parton. So, in a sense, so many listeners can't be wrong. Moreover, Dolly has never struck me as a harbinger of that which is pleasing to the ear. A captivating image, nevertheless: Smurphy enjoying a serene sunny Sunday in the tranquil aisles of his corner Hallmark store, gently fingering "hand painted" porcelain figurines with oversized eyes. Then, just as he's about to settle on a greeting card that strikes the appropriate wry, yet sweetly sardonic tone, horror ensues! The music emanating from the speakers, heretofore as enjoyable as it is ignorable, increases in volume tenfold, making manifest his worst auditory nightmare! "Dear God, death by anything but Whitney screeching her hope that he has all he dreams of" he prays as he makes a desparate, last ditch dash for the door, narrowly avoiding the onslaught of the refrain. I can see how it's enough to drive you crazy if you let it. A definitive Zantac moment. ;-) Seriously though. Reminds me of one of the funniest bits I've ever seen on Saturday Night Live. David Spade on Weekend Update, reviewing the movie "The Bodyguard" starring Whitney Houston, which featured her version of the song as the movie's theme. Spade totally disses the movie and the acting before ending the commentary with "...and ayyyyeeeayyyyyy want my money back!" - -Julius, who will be at his own Hallmark store first thing in the morning seeking a "forgive-me-Bob-I-couldn't-help-myself" card :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:20:39 -0800 From: "Jerome ." Subject: Rufus Wainwright cont'd (still NJC) previously...on the JMDL: >>I noticed that Rufus seems to be in high demand to sing in >>soundtracks >>of films. He did "Complainte de la Butte" in MOULIN >>ROUGE, Leonard >>Cohen's "Hallelujah" in SHREK, "Across the Universe" >>in I AM SAM and >>"Brother, Can You Spare A Dime" in ZOOLANDER. Actually, wasn't it "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother"? In any event, all of those soundtrack covers (minus whatever the ZOOLANDER one was) showed up in concert. All were amazing. Covering songs for soundtracks is great way to pay the bills, I hear. And it doesn't require you to write something the director might throw out after all of your hard work. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:42:44 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Not for Free Hey, Will, I relate to your dilemma. broken strings, minutes lost in the translation of tunings, what's a poor street singer to do? Well, here's another tip, other than staying stranded in concert tuning... The Crazy Cries of Love is in CGDEGC which in Joni Notation is X77235 If you go to www.jmdl.com/guitar and select this generic tuning, seven other Joni songs come up with the same (or very similar) tunings: Passion Play Cherokee Louise Night Ride Home God Must Be a Boogie Man Cool Water Love Puts On A New Face Sunny Sunday Yvette in English joni calls this playing in a "family of tunings." That should cover about 40 minutes of excellent entertainment and some clinking of coins in your case! You'll be on your way to Jonifest in no time. :-) take care, sue (you see I've embarked on a mission to spread alternation among the masses...) :-) At 3:00 AM -0500 3/10/02, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 08:56:45 -0600 >From: "William Waddell" >Subject: Not For Free > >What to do Baba? I know, I'll retune for a quick rendition >of Crazy Cries. That'll get their hands delving into their pockets. Three >minutes later, while attempting C77235, the cold has no sympathy for the >stretching strings and scheckt ... there goes my G string. Minutes pass as >do the scurrying Glaswegians. Ok, the Crazy Cries. Lovely. Attention at >last. The clinking of a few more brown coins. "Another one like that," >shouts a man of some commendable taste. "Aye, just let me retune." D57543 >this time. I look up and the faces have changed. Where's my man of >commendable taste? > You get my point - three minutes of my dulcet tones stretched to eight >if I sing the chorus several times, then the same in silence whilst I >retune. Time is money. How many pennies does it take to get to the JoniFest >and back? 55545 - going for a song. >Willy the Shake - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:05:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: hello again <> A good idea, Nathan...I signed on over 4 years ago, and I STILL never know what to expect! ;~) <> The aging process and chain-smoking have taken their toll on her voice. She still sounds fine (to my ears, anyway) but it IS markedly different from the early soprano days. <> For what it's worth, her 70's work is considered by most to be her watermark. Taking a random look today at the JMDL album poll, here's whats currently on top: 1. Court & Spark 2. Blue 3. Hejira 4. For The Roses 5. The Hissing of Summer Lawns All of these were recorded/released in the period 1971-1976. To see the entire poll: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/albumpoll.cfm <> In a nutshell, Nathan, Joni fans from all over the world convene to meet, eat, play and sing, and get ourselves back to the garden. If you have the time, you can read some of the write-ups from past fests and that should give you a better idea. Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Dear Mom" 1/14/01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:21:55 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: hello again Nathan, Bob has done a good job, per usual, of answering your questions. The information about past Jonifests can be found by going to the main JMDL page, (www.jmdl.com) and clicking on "Jonifests" that will give you a good idea of what they are all about. This year's Jonifest info can be found from the same main page, and clicking on the top right hand corner. You don't need to sign up to access the information once you get there. Just click on the information page. Hope that helps!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:35:59 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: Coinicidences, and Carol North (NJC) One more coincidence, Mark: this same Dr. Carol North is mentioned several times in Newsweek's March 11 cover story on schizophrenia. She is described as "a respected psychiatrist and researcher at Washington University," apparently first heard voices when she was 16, and tells of how they taunted her with the "fact" that she wasn't good enough to get into medical school, couldn't pass an exam, etc. Later in the article, she says that she thought there were "10,000 universal truths that I needed to understand, that there were messages in the pattern of paint on the wall and in the pattern of concrete." I don't know her whole story and haven't read her book, but the fact that she managed to make it through a grueling academic regimen, achieve notable success in her field, and then openly discuss her personal struggle, in the face of such a cruel and daunting illness, is remarkable. She certainly has my admiration. Good luck, Mark, in getting reacquainted with your old childhood friend. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: NJC Drug company commercials Ah-hah! I wondered why they're sometimes vague about what the drug does. And I love the ad about the drug for depression. Now, I realize it's probably very effective for some people, and I'm not laughing at the drug at all - but the ad is unintentionally amusing. It lists a bunch of side effects, including 'sexual side effects.' I always think that if I wasn't depressed before, I would be... and woe to anyone taking "MAOI inhibitors." Man, you can't take ANYTHING! modern medicine is still barbaric lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 07:21:04 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Bush NJC > Make no mistake, this administration is using the Sept 11 tragedy as, in Bush's words, "an opportunity" to take control, to enrich the rich, and to inflict military superiority over the rest of the planet. Unfortunately, I think this is true. Except you forgot "rape the environment." It's going to take a long time to start to undo some of the damage being done by this administration in the name of security. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:41:35 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: Whitney's flatulence, cf. w/ Dionne W. Now Dolly (NJC) Bob asked: > Also, Whitney's "I Will Always Love You" makes me want to dive head first > into the nearest wood chipper. I once had a severe panic attack in a > Hallmark store when that song was blaring over the PA. I couldn't get out > of there > fast enough! I'd love to know what Dolly Parton (who wrote the song) > really thinks of Whitney's version. From the FAQ section of Dolly's 1994 autobiography: Q: Is it true that you and Whitney Houston got into a feud over the song "I Will Always Love You?" I heard she said it was her song and you said it was yours and that she refused to sing it with you. A: Absolutely not. I don't know how those stories get started. She was thrilled to have the song to sing, and I was even more delighted to have such a fine singer do my song in such a special way. We were both very grateful for the big hit the record turned out to be, and to David Foster and Kevin Costner, who produced it. Now me: My mom loves Ms. Dolly. I'm not a huge fan, and don't even have one of her recordings, but I bought this book to get some insight into Dolly's amazing success in entertainment. Besides, it was on the 75% off table at an airport bookshop and I had a long flight ahead. Having seen her more than a few times on talk shows, I thought she had a unique outlook on life. I had also been in several arguments with people about her sexuality, always believing people should give her a break -- she's married for Christ's sake! The book was interesting in the way she sugar coated many subjects that must have been painful. In other safer areas, she was quite frank. Reminded me of some relatives from the South that "never talk about a rope when there's been a hanging in the family," or something like that. Well, Dolly did talk about her sexuality throughout the book, certainly more about the numerous affairs she has enjoyed and her love of men. However, in terms of her lesbianism, Dolly addressed this usually in conjunction with her relationship with Judy Ogle, her incredibly close friend and sometimes employee. In some cloudy ways, Dolly's writings deny their alleged deeper relationship. (I also think Dolly may have written this in a cloudy fashion to continue the fascination, true or not.) But, having now read her book, including descriptions of certain situations, habits -- I can clearly understand why the media became so certain of her affairs with women. However, Dolly on that subject: Q. Have you ever been with a woman? A: All my life. I love women. My mother was a woman. And that's all she wrote. I kinda fell in love with the old girl. She reminds me of my little sister in spirit, Gator Girl. Another witty southern belle. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:02:22 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: The Last Waltz" there should be some joni tunes on this: THE BAND CELEBRATE "WALTZ"'S BIRTHDAY The BAND's "The Last Waltz" will be released as a four-CD box set on April 16th, marking the twenty-fifth anniversary of the landmark concert and film. The box set, overseen by Band guitarist ROBBIE ROBERTSON, includes the original soundtrack's thirty songs, as well as twenty-four unreleased tracks, including a rehearsal with VAN MORRISON. The film, directed by MARTIN SCORSESE, will briefly return to theaters on April 5th before the release of a special-edition DVD on May 7th. "What's really interesting is to look back and see what a historic event and extraordinary musical collaboration it was," Robertson told Rolling Stone. "The fact that it actually happened is a phenomenon." rollingstone.com 3/11/02 peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:12:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Last Waltz" <> And indeed you're correct, David! Here's what will be included: Coyote - with Joni Mitchell (was on the original release) Shadows And Light - with Joni Mitchell Furry Sings The Blues - with Joni Mitchell Acadian Driftwood (Joni's background vocals) A lot of us have heard these already, but this release will probably be of a better quality than the bootleg that's been in circulation. A complete tracklisting can be found at: http://theband.hiof.no/albums/last_waltz.html Thanks for the heads up! :~) Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Mood Indigo" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Beltway Minifest Hey Y'all, We are having a "Beltway" minifest this coming weekend (March 16-17), and I would like to extend this invitation once more to everyone (so please forgive the lack of the NJC tag). On Saturday, Claudia & John, Ashara, Jody, Mags & Brian, possibly Janine, and I (and maybe "my" Mary, although she makes no promises) will be getting together in the Baltimore area to visit, break bread, etc. We haven't yet established a time or a place, but we will migrate to/meet up in the Washington DC area sometime on Sunday, for whatever fun or foolishness we can come up with. ; ) Sunday evening we're getting together at the River Road Unitarian Church (http://www.rruc.org) in Bethesda MD to attend a little concert featuring Tom Prasada-Rao, Bill Parsons & Eric Weinberg, and JMDLer Gregg Cagno. The show starts at 7 pm, and tickets $10 each, general admission, and can be purchased at the door. Anyone else who is planning to come, please let one of us know. The more the merrier, right? Btw, there's a Yahoo group for *all* JMDL minifests at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JMDLminifest/ You can subscribe directly by sending an email to JMDLminifest-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Looking really forward to seeing everyone, and an early wish to all for a Happy St. Patrick's Day! Lori ~ Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:32:51 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Cheiftains/Rolling Stone Hello Gang- I am getting caught up with things and saw a blurb in Rolling Stone Issue 892 March 28 Page 72. In a review of the Cheiftains latest anthology/best of, here are some excerpts. " Worthy Irish folk band gets stuck in all star greatest-hits mishmash." "What should have been a tribute to forty years of peerless folk revival and ambassadorship is instead a collection of celebrity linkups, many of them ill-conceived. Joni Mitchell sounds out of place affecting the smoky, sepulchral delivery of Marianne Faithful on "The Magdalene Laundries," a cheerless tale of destitute, fallen women." I thought you guys would find this interesting. Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:01:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Not for Free great idea susan! and then, if you just tune that D sting down to C, you can play Amelia! >>The Crazy Cries of Love is in CGDEGC which in Joni Notation is X77235 If you go to www.jmdl.com/guitar and select this generic tuning, seven other Joni songs come up with the same (or very similar) tunings:<<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:02:58 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: hello again In a message dated 3/11/2002 9:06:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: Nathan asked :<> and Bob replied : <> Nathan, after attending 3 Jonifests so far, I must add that besides meeting, eating, partying, and laughing our asses off, some of us (especially ME) *listen* to other JMDLers play and sing. I don't play an instrument, and I can't carry a tune.......but I certainly LOVE to listen to the rest of the gang. Jimmy (who's going to the dentist with Joni music in hand........and I promise not to write another *Joni, Nitrous and the dentist* post again :~) .........Hi Jody, wish you were going with me :~D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:41:39 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Not for Free Right, look at that you have a full set right there! :-) >great idea susan! and then, if you just tune that D sting down to C, you can >play Amelia! > >>>The Crazy Cries of Love is in CGDEGC which in Joni Notation is X77235 >If you go to www.jmdl.com/guitar and select this generic tuning, >seven other Joni songs come up with the same (or very similar) >tunings:<<< - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: The Last Waltz" Thanks for posting this, J.David! I wonder if the other Joni tracks from that day are among the 24 additions. JMDLers want to know! Does anyone have a superior quality DAT of this entire show? I think there's something "complete" in circulation but I don't know what the quality is. [Debi W? Mark D? Simon M? Randy R?] Lama (who's been enjoying his officially released VHS Hi-Fi edition on the big stereo for about twice a year for a looooooong time. Too bad about those boys getting "lost" on heroin.) - --- "J.David Sapp" wrote: > there should be some joni tunes on this: > > THE BAND CELEBRATE "WALTZ"'S BIRTHDAY > > The BAND's "The Last Waltz" will be released as a > four-CD box set on April > 16th, The film, > directed by MARTIN > SCORSESE, will briefly return to theaters on April > 5th before the release of a > special-edition DVD on May 7th. Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:52:33 -0600 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Jounings Thanks Sue M and Kate B for your advice, encouragement and enthusiasm round this open tuning business. Open D and G tunings are the only ones I've ever had success with; Big Yellow Taxi and You Turn Me On IAR Cold Blue Steel, Nathan La Freneer and a dubious Sweet Bird. To let you understand, I'm rubbish at guitar and desperately need tuition. Ok Sue you have a mission. Can I ask a dumb question? Like no-one else I know, I hear you say. Aye very funny. I must be missing a page somewhere in my Joni tunings cyber book. Question - you have retuned to X77235, you strum and it sounds very promising, but where do you put your fingers thereon in? The chord shapes? Man I've been fingering up and down the fretwalk all afternoon to no avail. Came up with a few interesting chord sequences mind you but having retuned how do you know the chord shapes for the likes of Passion Play et al? Like I say, maybe I've overlooked a tabs page. Best regards. WtS NP - Elephants & Flowers, Prince _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:56:54 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)A**hole Overlords, who won't ever ever ever answer their phones... Hi guys, Another day, week, approaching a month of dire frustration with my, and many people's, "favorite" isp. Even as i type with the TV in the background, their ad for version 7 is on. Why are those people happy? AOL does not, at any time of the day or night, answer the phone (I did not have this problem when i was signing on!!!). Whoever told me to be aware that aol constantly writes onto one's hard disk, thanks -- you weren't whistlin' dixie. I just threw out another 20 megs of crapola, the source of which was guess who, but the purpose of which was redundant, pointless or nil. My computer's working a micron faster (I know, wrong measurement), but the browser STILL DOESN'T WORK. I can still get to a home page, but that's all (so e.g. I can get to the tablature database, but can't do a search). I am so f*cking frustrated. (btw, to whoever suggested taking the back off and making sure there wasn't a dust clog, thanks, probably a good idea in any case, but I think the problem runs deeper). Yes, I need a new ISP, but even if I do, chasing down all of the foolish extra, space-eating files still hiding around will be a chore -- hey, here (instead of more bitching) is a question: How (i.e., is there any way) to get rid of "locked" files? Seems hard to do... I tried moving all sorts of installation thingies that I can't imagine needing anymore (since I neither have, nor use, the actual applications) to new folders and then dumping them with mixed success, but it ain't easy. But is there some better procedure? I don't know. What I really need, I know is (a) a new computer (I've got an aging, hand-me-down Mac that can't do much of anything i want to do; certainly no lsitening to or downloading of music), and (b) a new isp. I'm poor, but there is some hope. An old loan is being repayed this month (what is a poor person doing, giving people loans? I can't bear to see a friend out on the street, so I've been known to pay friend's rent when they're in extremis), and I got a b-day comin' up, and will try to pool the funds enough to get s.t. new with an isp built in (other than aol, with god as my witness). So maybe by a few weeks from now, I'll be a happier camper. Thanks for letting me blow off steam. My life partner and i have been dealt a deeply disappointing blow (in short, the house we were supposed to move into isn't going to happen in the near future, as planned, because of the machinations of an evil "sister-in-law"), and the 'net -- and very specifically, you guys -- keep me sane. Not crazy yet, and with great fondness, "Almost Whacky" Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:04:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "America's Best" I am not sure who actually made the selection. Listening to Emmylou sing Lucinda's Sweet Old World is such an exquisite combination of beautiful voice, beautiful song... >>And if Emmylou Harris actually made the selection, as opposed to only drafting the writeup, then, I am not surprised that Emmylou, herself a singer, songwriter and woman "d'une certaine age" was not swayed by extraneous considerations."<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:59:26 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Jounings My darling Will, you haven't overlooked a tabs page--you have overlooked THE tabs page. www.jmdl.com/guitar/ After you come up for air in about 3 weeks we can talk again about stranded guitars!!! :-) Go straight to passion play here: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/passionplay-md-c.cfm There is nothing more wonderful than sharing an obsession. :-) take care, sue At 12:52 PM -0600 3/11/02, William Waddell wrote: >Like I say, maybe I've overlooked a tabs page. Best regards. >WtS >NP - Elephants & Flowers, Prince > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - -- "Heart and humor and humility will lighten up your heavy load ... " - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:04:18 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Erika Luckett tour in the SW/RM(njc) Hi, all, Just found out that one of my favorites, Erika Luckett (a) just found out that Acoustic Guitar Magazine has named her new album, "My Little Crime" as 'Best Independent Release of the Year'! It will be featured in the July issue...Yay! and (b) she's embarking on a tour of the SouthWest/Rocky Mountains. Any jmdlers in that region should check her out -- the covers are low (at most $10) or nonexistent, and you won't be disappointed. Her website is at www.erikaluckett.com, or let me know off-list, and I'll send you the tour schedule. - --Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:22:22 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Bush NJC being the 6mth anniversary today, the news is all about Sept 11th. The death toll is down to under 2,800 or so with just under 200 missing. The death toll of men,women and children, in Afghanistan is 3800. Just. anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > > Make no mistake, this administration is using the > Sept 11 tragedy as, in Bush's words, "an opportunity" > to take control, to enrich the rich, and to inflict > military superiority over the rest of the planet. > > Unfortunately, I think this is true. Except you forgot > "rape the environment." > > It's going to take a long time to start to undo some of > the damage being done by this administration in the > name of security. > > lots of love > Anne - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:36:18 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Jounings For those of you that would like a lesson on Joni's tunings and other guitar tips, there will be several workshops offered throughout Jonifest weekend by many of our talented guitar greats on the JMDL!! Check it out at: www.jmdl.com/Jonifest2002 and sign up now!! (This message has been brought to you by the "Come to Jonifest, or You'll be Sorry You Missed Out on Something Great" committee.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:21:34 -0500 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: jonifest logo What I want to know is . . . What logo did Joni vote for? :) Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:42:41 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: WTC memorial (totally NJC) This being the 6 month mark of the Sept. 11 tragedy, I have a question for all of you concerning how the US should commemorate this awful event. There has been a lot of buzz about creating a memorial for the WTC towers. I know that the Max Protech Gallery in NYC held an open competition up until Feb. 16th (I think) for artists and architects to propose ideas for a memorial (or rebuilding of the towers). Also there are temporary memorials (ie - the two columns of light where the towers once stood and the orb located near the site) How do you think the US should commemorate this event? How should these attacks be remembered? I pose this question to the list because I respect the different viewpoints from the vast intellect here. Thank you for your attention and the bandwidth. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:01:42 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Grace Slick NJC Wow, What a tribute to a singer. See, to me, I had never met anyone who was really into Grace Slick, so I assume wrongly that she never amounted to much in the overall scheme of things. But She has a lengthy list of work that proves otherwise. it is ashame that the only tracks one hears on the radio are the few popular tracks from Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship, and the insipid "We built this City". I just may have to go out and buy something of hers, but I am not sure what. Thank you and everyone for a great look into an overlooked artist. Blair NP: "Young Gifted and black" Nina Simone > >I'm not sure what to say that would make anybody 'get' Grace. To me when >she was in her prime she had one of the most amazing voices in rock music. >That was what first drew me to her. I had never heard anybody sing like >that before. Often compared to a laser beam, which is a pretty apt >description, this was a voice with a sharp edge & a lot of power behind it. >If you're at all familiar with Jefferson Airplane's first album, you know >that Signe Anderson was also a decent singer. But then listen to 'Somebody >To Love' from 'Surrealistic Pillow' and you know immediately that something >new & vital has been added to the lineup of that band and that it's a force >to be reckoned with. In her heyday, Grace was like a force of nature, imo. >Her backup vocals were also very distinctive. Listen to 'Martha' and hear >her vocal embellishments. Her voice is unmistakable and yet it does not >stick out like a sore thumb. It enhances the song and makes it that much >more interesting. Then again, she & Marty Balin could blend their voices >beautifully at times as on the ballad 'Today'. Grace sings harmony here >and >perfectly matches Marty's singing note for note with no showing off. Just >a >perfect blend. At other times the two of them engaged in vocal acrobatics, >seeming to do battle with one another for the upper hand. Listen to '3/5s >of a Mile in 10 Seconds' on the live 'Bless It's Pointed Little Head' or >'Caroline' from Jefferson Starship's 'Dragonfly'. Grace seems to be trying >to steal Marty's thunder. He was not amused by this and seems to have been >very resentful of the attention that was lavished on Ms. Slick during the >years they performed together. > >Personality-wise, you're dealing with somebody who is pretty complex. A >striking brunette with piercing blue eyes, Grace has said in her >autobiography & elsewhere that she has always had self-image issues. She >always felt inferior in the looks department because she wasn't the >blonde-with-big-boobs-and-shapely-legs type. Her problems with drugs & >alcohol have pretty much become the stuff of legend. Chemicals also helped >fuel the outrageous antics she has become famous for over the years. I was >just thinking the other day about the incident when she & Abby Hoffman >showed up at a White House tea during the Nixon years. Tricia Nixon had >invited Grace to this function because she & Grace had both attended Smith >College at one time. Grace claims that she had a healthy dose of LSD under >one of her fingernails and was hoping Tricky Dicky himself would show up at >the party so she could drop it into his tea. Security wouldn't let them >through the gate so that particular page of counter-culture history was >truncated. Grace also has a very warped sense of humor that often shows up >in her song writing and is another reason why I love her so much. Listen >to >her paean to cannibalism, 'Silver Spoon' on the Paul Kantner/Grace Slick >album 'Sunfighter' for a prime example of her black humor. She is also >extremely intelligent and apparently well-read. The song 'rejoyce' is >based >on James Joyce's 'Ulysses', a book that I own but have never gotten up the >courage to attempt reading. Her song writing, although often sarcastic and >sometimes obtuse, does reflect a unique and, imo, fascinating perspective. >She has opened my mind to many things over the years with her lyrics. > >Nowadays Grace seems to be pretty much retired. Like Joni, she paints but >in Grace's case it seems to be more of a hobby than a second vocation. She >appeared with Kantner's band a few months ago and caused a bit of a stir by >draping an American flag over herself with a sign on it that read 'F**k >Fear' as a response to the 9/11 attacks. Pretty spunky for a 62 year old. >I saw her on Roseanne's talk show a few years ago promoting her book. She >was close to 60 then & still looked remarkably good. She was full of >stories about her heyday and Roseanne seemed to get a big charge out of >having her on the show. I thought her songs were the best thing about the >Jefferson Airplane reunion album. She was in a very mellow mood >apparently, >contributing songs that reflected the sensibilities of a mature woman and >one called 'Panda' that is a very moving song about the plight of the >endangered panda bear. JMDLer Bill Dollinger (Bill, are you out there?) >has, I believe, met her in connection with his work for animal rights. >Grace is a strong advocate for that particular cause. > >I suppose Grace and the Airplane were very much products of the late 60s. >Haight Ashbury, psychedelia, concerts at the Filmore - all of this is the >stuff of legend now and actually had already come & gone by the time I >started listening to Grace in the 70s. I was attending college then in >Iowa >and had a very romantic view of that era, wishing that I could have been a >part of it. Grace Slick was like an emblem of that time to me and while >she >was still performing there was still a trace of it left. I saw her with >Jefferson Starship twice in those years. The first time I didn't know much >about Grace or the music and I was pretty wrecked on MDA. But I do >remember >that concert & vaguely remember her voice. The second time I had become a >fan & yelled 'All right, Grace, all right!' as she was leaving the venue, >almost directly below where I was sitting. She turned around and waved >before she disappeared and I yelled 'love you!' I will never forget it. > >Mark E in Seattle > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:34:24 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC Way back when, I believe in the mid-seventies, I remember entering a song writing competition the same year Kim Carnes did. She was not famous at the time, but she won the competition. I remember that the judges were very impressed with the winning song and she was touted as a great up and coming songwriter. When "Betty Davis Eyes" came out, I remembered her name from the competition and was very happy that she was able to gain recognition. The name of the competition had something with the word, "American" in it. We were young and naive at the time. We believed we could reach the stars if we just tried hard enough. We believed anything was possible. All Kim had was a dream and a desire to succeed against all odds. I love the scratchiness of her voice because along with her songwriting skills, it gives her such individuality. If you go to see her, I'll be there in spirit. Have fun! Sherelle In a message dated 03/09/2002 12:06:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:01:29 EST > From: Abbymusique@aol.com > Subject: Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC > > Has anyone out there ever been a fan of Kim Carnes? She'll be singing this > > friday and Saturday night at Swallow At the Hollow in Roswell, GA, the > place > being an offshoot of the Bluebird Cafe in Nashville. They send Bluebird > regulars down to Roswell every weekend to do an 'In The Round' type thing. > > For what it's worth, my opinion is that Kim Carnes is a great solo artist > who > was pretty much overlooked after her big hit "Bette Davis Eyes". I'm a big > > fan, and had that album and all her subsequent ones in the eighties and > early > nineties, and I think she's great. Her voice is husky, scratchy, but > wonderful, and her songwriting is good as well. I couldn't believe it when > I > saw her name on the line-up, for I haven't heard about her for years now. > Anyone else a fan of hers? If so, and you live in the Atlanta area, the > performance is Mar.8 &9 , and the number to call for The Swallow at the > Hollow is (678)352-1975. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:45:43 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: WTC memorial (totally NJC) Heather asked: > How do you think the US should commemorate this event? > How should these attacks be remembered? Good questions and I'm glad that there is a concerted effort for this. Personally, my mind is still kind of a blank on it - I feel like it hit our hearts so deeply that for many maybe perfect clarity is not optimal at this stage as to the best approach. I love the idea of the twin beams of light and wish they could make that part of the permanent memorial. Las Vegas runs a hundred times that kind of wattage year round so there shouldn't be too much concern over the energy costs. I would love to hear anyone else's creative ideas here. Watching the 9/11 film last night again left me with feelings for which words are inadequate. A couple weeks ago I met two NY firemen at happy hour at the hotel across the street who were here in L.A. on invitation from former Mayor Riordan to participate in the Los Angeles marathon that weekend. Myself and all of my friends felt so privileged to meet them and to be able to tell them in person how much we cared for them. We ended up hanging out with them and buying them a few rounds of drinks, telling all our life stories and so on. It was very sweet but also a bit surreal. How our lives have been changed. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:51:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Kim Carnes in Atlanta; NJC Sherelle, I've been keeping my mouth shut on the Kim Carnes but now you've brought me out! I also entered a song in the American Song Festival the year she won! I was a finalist in the lyric competition and was very happy with that but kind of turned my nose up at Kim and thought she was no Joni! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 02:50:12 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: WTC memorial (totally NJC) Kakki wrote: > A couple weeks ago I met two NY firemen at happy hour at the > hotel across the street who were here in L.A. on invitation > from former Mayor Riordan to participate in the Los Angeles > marathon that weekend. Myself and all of my friends felt so > privileged to meet them and to be able to tell them in person > how much we cared for them. We ended up hanging out with them > and buying them a few rounds of drinks, telling all our life > stories and so on. It was very sweet but also a bit surreal. > How our lives have been changed. A few nights ago I was channel-surfing and saw a piece on a current affairs show here that made me stop. A couple in Nelson, NZ were so moved by the stories from the fire-fighters in NYC, they went over to visit them in person. In the meantime they had organised 100 families in their local area (and surrounding districts) to act as "hosts" for any fire-fighters and their families who wanted to get away from things for a while. The first couple had arrived and were being interviewed. They were staying in Nelson for a couple of weeks, and their hosts had organised sight-seeing trips and as much relaxation as they could get. Just another indication of how this whole situation has affected people many miles away, and the lengths people will go to show their appreciation. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:17:09 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Coinicidences, and Carol North (NJC) North (NJC) > One more coincidence, Mark: this same Dr. Carol North is mentioned several > times in Newsweek's March 11 cover story on schizophrenia. She is described > as "a respected psychiatrist and researcher at Washington University," > apparently first heard voices when she was 16, and tells of how they taunted > her with the "fact" that she wasn't good enough to get into medical school, > couldn't pass an exam, etc. According to her book her symptoms began long before she was 16. She was hearing voices and having hallucinations as early as the time she & I were playmates. That would have made her around 6 or 7 years old. She actually got through 2 years of medical school while experiencing severe chronic symptoms of schizophrenia - voices that told her to kill herself more than once, hallucinations, hearing non-existent helicopters and sometimes even going into near catatonic states. Later in the article, she says that she thought > there were "10,000 universal truths that I needed to understand, that there > were messages in the pattern of paint on the wall and in the pattern of > concrete." > I'm going to have to hunt down this article. Thanks for the heads up, Mary. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:00:46 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: WTC memorial (totally NJC) Hell, Thank you for the story. I remember you writing to me soon after 9/11 at how you and your friends in New Zealand were so affected, particularly by the stories of the firefighters. When I met the two from NY and thanked them they both hugged me and got tears in their eyes. Now you know probably lots of people have thanked them (especially since these two had participated in the bike race across the U.S. soon after the tragedy to raise funds) and it is really something that they are still so immediately emotional and right there. I watched the film with my parents last night. As some of my friends here know, my father is almost completely senile and incapacitated. He can no longer express himself coherently and needs constant care for everything. As we watched, my mother wondered if he really understood or comprehended what he was seeing. I am always hopeful and said that I thought he did understand. At the end of the film, they did a tribute, showing photographs of all the hundreds of firemen who died that day and someone sang every verse of the most beautiful rendition of "Danny Boy." At that point, my father suddenly started singing along, perfectly, every word, every verse, every note in his beautiful Irish tenor voice. My mother was stunned and could not believe what she was hearing. I just smiled and thought it was fantastic. An early St. Patrick's Day blessing, I'd say ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:58:27 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Whitney's flatulence, cf. w/ Dionne W. - njc I would like to tactfully interject on this subject. As a singer, I feel that Whitney really does have a good and powerful voice, but am not sure how she keeps her throat in shape or if the way she sings is technically correct or healthy for the voice. Whitney's style has had a direct influence on how I chose "not" to record my songs. In the studio, we continually discussed how we would not get overly "frilly" with notes like Whitney. What happened to me is that I began to get stifled artistically and afraid to interpret the song for fear I would sound like her. It created quite a conflict in me. In my version of "Eleanor Rigby" which was the first song I recorded, I did wail a little bit at the end because my heart was trying to express the loneliness and the emptiness of people living such a mundane existence. I truly had a purpose for expression. Though it may have been slightly flawed in execution, the purpose was there. The problem is that now I am singing to avoid sounding like Whitney Houston which doesn't work artistically. My thoughts are; whatever sounds one vocalizes should be done from the heart and to express oneself artistically. Maybe people are sensing that the sounds Whitney vocalizes are not coming from the heart and therefore, may not be true artistic expression. (though her fans will beg to differ) I grew up listening to gospel choirs and hearing singers vocalize with absolute freedom. Sometimes, it's been a little much, but I have appreciated the depth of spirit that accompanies the singer's voice. Some of Patti Labelle's high notes are a little much for me, but many times, I get goosebumps listening to her sing, because I can feel her soul in her voice. I don't hear in Whitney what I hear in Patti's voice. I'll stop there because a musician friend told me to always watch what you say about other artists; you never know when you might appear with them. I respect Joe Elliott of Def Leopard's screaming voice as much as Luther Vandross' sultry one. For me, each is good in it's own way. I guess I have to hear the soul of a person come through in the voice. That's also why I love the scruffy-voiced Bob Dylan as well. There are some who would say his voice is like nails on a chalkboard. I just hear his soul and I love it. Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 02:03:46 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: WTC memorial (NJC) Heather writes: << How do you think the US should commemorate this event? >> Good question, Heather. But you can be sure it's something people will never agree upon. Remember when a young Yale student named Maya Lin won the design competition for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial? From the first time I saw her plans for the memorial, I was just knocked out by how perfect her concept was. It seemed a fitting and honorable way to commemorate the Americans who lost their lives in Vietnam, no matter what one's feelings about the war might have been. Then various groups started complaining that the memorial wasn't *heroic* enough, so the standard-issue GI Joe statue (or is it 'statues' by now?) went up at the site. I originally felt that the twin beacons of light rising from the WTC area would be an appropriate memorial to the victims and the heroes of 9/11, but I don't know now. It's chilling enough to see the broken New York skyline as it is today without the memory of this horrible attack lighting up the skies over lower Manhattan for decades to come. As it is, anyone who witnessed the destruction of the towers in real life or on TV will never forget it anyway. Something as sublime and succinct as the original Vietnam Veterans Memorial is what I would hope for. Exactly what that might be, I have no idea. --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #110 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?