From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #106 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 106 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: March 7 [les@jmdl.com] Setup and configuration of Backup. [Evan and Vanessa Thomson ] Re: Joni Documentary, etc. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Grace Slick NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Davy Graham (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Joni Documentary, etc.NJC [colin ] Paz NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Debut Albums NJC [Gil Lamont ] America's Best ... (tangential JC) ["Timothy Spong" ] re: Joni does Dylan ["Jerome ." ] Fwd: We'll make great pets (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: Joni Documentary, etc. [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #66 [KLCass21@aol.com] Re: Grace Slick NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 03:24:47 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 7 On March 7 in Joni Mitchell History: 1983: Joni performs for the second day at Budokan in Tokyo. These shows were recorded for FM broadcast in Japan. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:51:17 +1100 (EST) From: Evan and Vanessa Thomson Subject: Setup and configuration of Backup. New software developments undertaken not necessarily as part of day to day workload include: Design, implementation and maintenance of EDP Jobs Control system. Saving information on all jobs; Data setup and forms. Ability to search database for job descriptions and previous job setup steps. Design, implementation and maintenance of DDM Software Audit Database. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of backup.com] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 04:53:48 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Joni Documentary, etc. This is strange. I've recently been receiving an unsolicited subscription to Playboy magazine. Through some twist of cyber fate, I figure. But that's not the strange part. So, not being one to look a gift horse in the mouth, I'm perusing the periodical this early morning while watching the movie "War Games" on TV out of one eye. I got myself frustrated...no, not by the magazine, you perv, but by the fact that I couldn't remember the name of actress playing opposite Matthew Broderick in the old flick. I hate when that happens. But I brushed it off mentally, as I didn't want to let something like that worry me tonight, what with the war and the AIDS pandemic in Africa and all... But I digress. Anyways, it turns out that former teen pop music queen of the 80s, Tiffany, is on the cover and presumably photographed nude in the magazine. Yawn. I thumb through to the "Music" page. In the "Fast Track" section of the music page I run across a tidbit of JC among the blurbs about Alanis Morrisette's new disc and praise for Norah Jones's latest. To wit..."Joni Mitchell is the subject of a documentary directed by Allison Anders. In it, Mitchell records a new CD and talks about her paintings and her reunion with her daughter." Yeah, we all know that, but I'm suddenly consumed by an urge for knowing just when this film is gonna be released. I toss the magazine aside and hunker down at the computer, resigned to surf the web until I find the skinny. So I type "Allison Anders Joni Mitchell" and punch the "search" button in my favorite engine. I take a gander at the first hit. This is where it starts getting a little creepy. Seems that Allison Anders wrote and directed a movie called "Sugar Town," released last year, starring one Ally Sheedy, who of course is my mystery actress in "War Games." The movie "Sugar Town" has nothing to do with Joni, except that it stars "Larry Klein a Grammy-winning producer and the former Mr. Joni Mitchell." Bizarre, I'm thinking, that Sheedy's name should pop up, and interesting about Klein starring in an Anders film before Joan...but I still hunger for the documentary release date, dammit. The search continues... I hit the next link and among other things about other people named "Allison" or "Anders" get the following from a jazz site called fusemag.com: Guitar virtuoso Carl Verheyen takes on the solo acoustic mountain on his latest. With tunes ranging from "I Loves You Porgy" and "God Bless the Child" to Jerry Reed's "Mr. Lucky", Joni Mitchell's "Cactus Tree" and his own pieces, Carl plays pristinely and inventively throughout. Beautiful arrangements and fine intervallic solos complement each other throughout. Recommended. http://www.carlverheyen.com/ Hmmm, I muse, never heard of this guy, but I wonder if his "Cactus Tree" is any good and whether it has made it onto SCJoniguy's covers project. It's another sidetrack, but I decide to check out Verheyen's site. Turns out I dig the work of this finger-picker style guitarist, whose technique reminds me of Tuck Andress or Wes Montgomery (I listened to an mp3 on his site of "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" which is covered on the same disc, coincidently). I'm intrigued, so I decide to read Verheyen's bio...which is where I read this: "Carl played 2nd guitar in Robben Fords group, and in his early years as a studio guitarist he recorded with Stanley Clarke, Dave Grusin and Little Richard. Soon he was getting called to work on many pop records including Tiffany's multi-platinum selling debut." Ain't that peculiar? I'm expecting the theme from "The Twilight Zone" to be piped into my apartment at that point and I start looking over my shoulder to see if Rod Serling is standing behind me in a dark suit, cigarette in hand, saying "picture if you will..." I never did find the Joni documentary release date. But I'm reminded of one of Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies: "Once the search is started, something will be found." - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:26:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Documentary, etc. <> Cool story, Julius...all things lead to Joni as we all know! Carl's style is comparable to Wes Montgomery, although I must say I prefer Wes. Cactus Tree and GPPH are both excellent (they've received the coveted Jerry Notaro stamp of approval) and are upcoming on Volume 30. And I have to admit, I haven't seen a Playboy in years, but I always turn to the music page first as well. A sure sign of age if there was one! :~) Bob NP: Dylan/Tom Petty, "Like A Rolling Stone" Sydney 1987 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:12:10 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Grace Slick NJC Grace Slick. What was her deal? I have seen the behind the music on VH1 and heard stories and she was a definite rock and roller, but why did she get so much attention. I guess I just dont get her. I never cared for her style of singing and never thought she was a great personality that resonated well with the passing of time. I am just curious about hearing other people's perspectives whether they be negative or positive. Blair NP, "Across the Borderline" Ry Cooder _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:35:21 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Davy Graham (NJC) As has been said, Davy is an extraordinarily original guitarist - far too original to ever be commercial. There have been a couple of programs about him on UK TV in recent years which I have recorded but, foolishly seem to have taped over. I remember them failing to persuade him to play Angie in one of them. Anyway, if you want to read more about him, he gets a fair amount of coverage in Colin Harper's excellent book, "Bert Jansch and the British Folk and Blues Revival" which is a really good read. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:03:57 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni Documentary, etc.NJC What an interesting stream of sychronicity, Julius. Have no idea why it happens. In this last few weeks, I saw a woman walking a Great Dane and a very small mutt and a GSD. Later I saw a woman walking an Irish Wolfhound. Later in the week i meet a man who is the husband of the first woman. I get to know them and have dinner at their house. I ask if they know a reliable plumber. They give me the number of a man who comes around to inspect the problem. he turns out to be the husband of the woman with the Wolfy. The woman I saw with the Wolfy had told her husband that she has seen a man walking a half dozen dogs in town, which was me! Oh and the first woman, whom we had dinner with, also has a cattery full of persian cats! I am hoping the the jobs of Lisa and Alan(the people we had dinner with) are nothing to do with any coincidences-they are prison officers at the high security prison up the road with houses serial killers and sex offenders! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:14:13 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Paz NJC My messages to Michael are getting bounced from telocity. Anyone heard from him lately? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:19:17 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Debut Albums NJC How could I have overlooked this one?: Nick Drake, Five Leaves Left Gil NP: Shiny Toys, Ms Joni (just to prove I don't listen only to Dylan, ha!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 20:32:15 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: America's Best ... (tangential JC) The "Time Almanac 2002 with Information Please(R)" has a section called "America's Best." In various categories of arts and entertainments, an individual is proclaimed the best in the category by someone who can reasonably be deemed an expert in the category. Apparently, by "America" is understood "the United States of America," and, as far as I know, all the winners are U.S. citizens. If my interpretation is correct, Joni isn't eligible. I would say I am agnostic about the nominees. What do other jmdlers think about ... America's Best Songwriter: Lucinda Williams, squib by Emmylou Harris. America's Best Singer: Cassandra Wilson, squib by Stanley Crouch. America's Best Rock Band: Sleater-Kinney, squib by Greil Marcus. America's Best Artist: Martin Puryear, squib by Robert Hughes. America's Best Fashion Designer: Tom Ford, squib by Belinda Luscombe. There are 21 categories in all. Best to all. Tim spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 15:58:55 -0600 From: "William Waddell" Subject: TCCOL I've been playing TTT for the first time in a while and am very much into two songs again that I adored the first time round; Harlem in Havana and Crazy Cries. For acoustic guitar, Harlem is a non starter, however I'd like to give TCCOL a shot. For any busking guitar players out there (i.e. 3-chord wonders). If you were to play "The Crazy Cries of Love" in standard tuning (or as I like to call it when playing Joni, stranded tuning) beginning with a D major shape (open top E; bottom tuned to D), can you figure out which chords should be played in the first verse; night = A everyone = G7 at the wingding = ? they weren't the wi... = ??????? "They weren't the wingding type" melody = A,Db,D,A,D,D,Db; but I cannot find a chord for that line. Thereon in I'm a tad unsure, but there seems to be a lot of A/A7 and G and possibly an Em. As for "In the back booth"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm not interested in playing carbon copy chords a la original - too tough, but if anyone has a notion how to play this one I'd be indebted and will dedicate it to you at the Fest. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:37:48 -0800 From: "Jerome ." Subject: re: Joni does Dylan I wonder if this is the track Joni spoke of in that Billboard interview or is there a studio version? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >>Speaking of Joni doing Dylan, Willie, she also does the version >>of "It's >>All Over Now, Baby Blue" (on piano) on the 1991 radio >>show 'Swingin On A >>Star'. Very interesting as she begins with the >>chord progression to "Not >>To Blame", then morphs into the Dylan song. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:54:06 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: We'll make great pets (njc) No matter how strange things get, there is always solace in knowing that there is only one San Francisco. City officials were urged last week to adopt the term "pet guardian'' instead of "pet owner" as part of the emancipation of animals from their human overlords. Veterinarian Elliot Katz, speaking before the city's Commission of Animal Control and Welfare, specifically compared the term change to the struggle to end human slavery as well as the women's suffrage movement. "The idea of women 'ownership' and black 'ownership' and pet 'ownership.' There's continuity here. Now is the time to get rid of this concept of 'pet ownership,' '' Katz said. Katz was silent on when animals would get the right to vote and hold elective office. But the fact that city officials didn't laugh Katz out of the room suggests animals might be an improvement. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:19:29 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Documentary, etc. In a message dated 3/7/02 7:55:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, jrmills@pacbell.net writes: > Yeah, we all know that, but I'm suddenly consumed by an urge for knowing > just when this film is gonna be released. > > Julius, > I had forwarded this article about Allison Anders' documentary from > Entertainment Weekly magazine dated March 5th to the list. There's no exact > date on the release though Here's the link again http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,214129~4~0~,00.html As far as that illustration goes -- ewww! (in Jim Johanson's exact words! )LOL! I cut and pasted the article below.... > ~rose Allison Anders to direct a Joni Mitchell docu -- The ''Grace of My Heart'' director finds the singer's maturity has enhanced her musical wisdom by Chris Willman BOTH SIDES NOW A new take on classic Joni, via Anders After setting her last three feature films in a musical milieu, Allison Anders (''Grace of My Heart'') is making a documentary about -- surprise -- a musician: Joni Mitchell. Anders is shooting the recording sessions for Mitchell's next album, which finds the singer revisiting vintage originals like ''Circle Game'' with the London Symphony Orchestra -- and pairing with ''day players'' like Ry Cooder, Wayne Shorter, Billy Preston, Herbie Hancock, and (tentatively) Neil Young. ''Some of it is material she did as a young girl, with a soprano voice and an acoustic guitar, now with an orchestra and an alto,'' says Anders. ''It's so interesting to hear these same songs with wisdom. Not that she wasn't wise before, but it's like 'I thought I was on to something then, and now I know I am.''' (Posted:03/04/02) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:50:35 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #66 In a message dated 3/7/2002 3:01:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Cool Water, Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm. > I like this song. > Yeah, Me too. Well-crafted, but not overproduced. Lush and shimmering despite the barren theme. I'm in the minority here, but I love every tune on this disc - except Reoccurring Dream. Beat of Black Wings - Joni chants in the background after each chorus - try and try, or try and drive, or try and dry. Anyone have a clue? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:37:31 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Grace Slick NJC > Grace Slick. What was her deal? I have seen the behind the > music on VH1 and heard stories and she was a definite rock and roller, but > why did she get so much attention. I guess I just dont get her. I never > cared for her style of singing and never thought she was a great personality > that resonated well with the passing of time. I am just curious about > hearing other people's perspectives whether they be negative or positive. > Blair In the 70s I had two idols. One was Joni. The other was Grace Slick. There are JMDLers who have heard this from me many times before so sorry if this is repetitious. But I just can't resist responding to any post about Grace. (and don't ever ask about Billie Holiday unless you want an even longer response ;-)) I'm not sure what to say that would make anybody 'get' Grace. To me when she was in her prime she had one of the most amazing voices in rock music. That was what first drew me to her. I had never heard anybody sing like that before. Often compared to a laser beam, which is a pretty apt description, this was a voice with a sharp edge & a lot of power behind it. If you're at all familiar with Jefferson Airplane's first album, you know that Signe Anderson was also a decent singer. But then listen to 'Somebody To Love' from 'Surrealistic Pillow' and you know immediately that something new & vital has been added to the lineup of that band and that it's a force to be reckoned with. In her heyday, Grace was like a force of nature, imo. Her backup vocals were also very distinctive. Listen to 'Martha' and hear her vocal embellishments. Her voice is unmistakable and yet it does not stick out like a sore thumb. It enhances the song and makes it that much more interesting. Then again, she & Marty Balin could blend their voices beautifully at times as on the ballad 'Today'. Grace sings harmony here and perfectly matches Marty's singing note for note with no showing off. Just a perfect blend. At other times the two of them engaged in vocal acrobatics, seeming to do battle with one another for the upper hand. Listen to '3/5s of a Mile in 10 Seconds' on the live 'Bless It's Pointed Little Head' or 'Caroline' from Jefferson Starship's 'Dragonfly'. Grace seems to be trying to steal Marty's thunder. He was not amused by this and seems to have been very resentful of the attention that was lavished on Ms. Slick during the years they performed together. Personality-wise, you're dealing with somebody who is pretty complex. A striking brunette with piercing blue eyes, Grace has said in her autobiography & elsewhere that she has always had self-image issues. She always felt inferior in the looks department because she wasn't the blonde-with-big-boobs-and-shapely-legs type. Her problems with drugs & alcohol have pretty much become the stuff of legend. Chemicals also helped fuel the outrageous antics she has become famous for over the years. I was just thinking the other day about the incident when she & Abby Hoffman showed up at a White House tea during the Nixon years. Tricia Nixon had invited Grace to this function because she & Grace had both attended Smith College at one time. Grace claims that she had a healthy dose of LSD under one of her fingernails and was hoping Tricky Dicky himself would show up at the party so she could drop it into his tea. Security wouldn't let them through the gate so that particular page of counter-culture history was truncated. Grace also has a very warped sense of humor that often shows up in her song writing and is another reason why I love her so much. Listen to her paean to cannibalism, 'Silver Spoon' on the Paul Kantner/Grace Slick album 'Sunfighter' for a prime example of her black humor. She is also extremely intelligent and apparently well-read. The song 'rejoyce' is based on James Joyce's 'Ulysses', a book that I own but have never gotten up the courage to attempt reading. Her song writing, although often sarcastic and sometimes obtuse, does reflect a unique and, imo, fascinating perspective. She has opened my mind to many things over the years with her lyrics. Nowadays Grace seems to be pretty much retired. Like Joni, she paints but in Grace's case it seems to be more of a hobby than a second vocation. She appeared with Kantner's band a few months ago and caused a bit of a stir by draping an American flag over herself with a sign on it that read 'F**k Fear' as a response to the 9/11 attacks. Pretty spunky for a 62 year old. I saw her on Roseanne's talk show a few years ago promoting her book. She was close to 60 then & still looked remarkably good. She was full of stories about her heyday and Roseanne seemed to get a big charge out of having her on the show. I thought her songs were the best thing about the Jefferson Airplane reunion album. She was in a very mellow mood apparently, contributing songs that reflected the sensibilities of a mature woman and one called 'Panda' that is a very moving song about the plight of the endangered panda bear. JMDLer Bill Dollinger (Bill, are you out there?) has, I believe, met her in connection with his work for animal rights. Grace is a strong advocate for that particular cause. I suppose Grace and the Airplane were very much products of the late 60s. Haight Ashbury, psychedelia, concerts at the Filmore - all of this is the stuff of legend now and actually had already come & gone by the time I started listening to Grace in the 70s. I was attending college then in Iowa and had a very romantic view of that era, wishing that I could have been a part of it. Grace Slick was like an emblem of that time to me and while she was still performing there was still a trace of it left. I saw her with Jefferson Starship twice in those years. The first time I didn't know much about Grace or the music and I was pretty wrecked on MDA. But I do remember that concert & vaguely remember her voice. The second time I had become a fan & yelled 'All right, Grace, all right!' as she was leaving the venue, almost directly below where I was sitting. She turned around and waved before she disappeared and I yelled 'love you!' I will never forget it. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #106 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?