From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #103 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, March 5 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 103 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: dreamland..now Stacey Kent./ NJC [] Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) [Gary Zack ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 02:42:15 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) Mark E. ["Mark or Travis" ] wrote, on Judy Collins: > >Recently I've been listening to 'Colors of the Day' and 'Forever' by Judy >Collins. Before I bought these cds the only Judy Collins I had was a vinyl >copy of 'So Early in the Spring', another retrospective, and, buried away >somewhere, the single of 'Both Sides Now' (which was my first exposure to >Joni's writing.) But I have been enjoying these two compilations quite a >lot. I don't think her voice is quite what it used to be but in her heyday >it was gorgeous. Very clear and expressive. From what I get from her >liner notes on 'Forever', she has tried to use her music as a way to send >out healing to people during some of the turbulent times she has lived >through. >A lot of it is very soothing and beautiful. > >So I'd like some suggestions as to which of her albums that are not >'greatest hits' or retrospectives I should get next. I put a bunch of them >on my wish list at CDNow (although I'm a little miffed at them at the >moment) and any suggestions from the group would be welcome. > > >Happy Sunday! > >Mark E in Seattle > ... and Jerry Notaro wrote: > >Some suggestions: > >Living >In My Life >Wildflowers >Judy Sings Dylan >Live at Newport >The Fifth Album >Whales and Nightingales >Classic Broadway > ... and Mack ["Dolphie Bush" ] wrote: > >Mark. I am a big fan of Judy Collins but no expert. Have four of her >albums. Always lament the fact that I don't have more but something else >always seems to be that of which I would rather have, at the moment. "True >Stories" is superb, especially Secret Gardens which will melt your heart. >It also has the priceless Cook With Honey on it and Song for Martin, which >could be my favorite Judy tune, of those I have heard. "Recollections" is >good. It may be some kind of compilation but I don't believe it is a >greatest hits since I had never heard most of the selections on it. She >does Dylan tunes on this one, plus others, including Mr. Tambourine Man, >Farewell, Tomorrow is a Long Time, and Daddy, You've Been on My Mind. I >found it a little too folksy for my taste but it is still excellent. "The >Fifth Album", I notice, has some of those same tunes on it. Again, too >folksy for me. My favorite is "Hard Times for Lovers" which someone here >has mentioned previously was a bomb, according to the critics. It is >marvelous and I long ago wore it out but continue to turn it around the >player. Very romantic. You cannot lose with that one and Scavullo's pic >of Judy on the cover is very nice. Not so much of a homosexual that I >don't know beauty when I see it and Judy's backside definitely is something >I don't mind looking at. Course the expert on this list to tell you about >Judy is Tim Spong. Hope that helped somewhat and hope you are well. > >Mack ... and I add a few comments: Mack is too kind. I'm not sure I can improve on the preceding comments. I don't have the complete catalogs of anybody who has produced more than three albums, including Judy C. and Joni M., and therefore can't say, "These are my favorites out of the whole lot." I certainly like the two J.C. albums I have had the longest, "Who Knows Where the Time Goes" and "Judith," and the "Shameless" CD that was a companion to the novel of the same name and is all-original, as was recently pointed out on this list, and "All on a Wintry Night," the latest Christmas-oriented CD. "Both Sides Now" made its first appearance on "Wildflowers" and reappeared on "So Early in the Spring: The First 15 Years." There is also an album called "Both Sides Now," but I haven't heard it, and, therefore, don't know if the original recording or another one is on it. Also, without a reference in front of me, I can't tell you where "Michael From Mountains" and "Chelsea Morning" appear. "I don't think her voice is quite what it used to be, but in her heyday, it was gorgeous." Well, last December, said voice seemed to me all that it used to be ... gorgeous. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:50:52 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Jackson Browne's "Only Child" (oblique jc) Thanks, Brian; no I think the song is called ONLY CHILD. DL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:53:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Chitlins & The Glossary > Among many others...here's a pic and the story of Jimi & the Chitlin' Circuit: > > http://www.soul-patrol.com/funk/jh_chitlin.htm > Very cool article, Bob. Thanks for posting the URL. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:57:26 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: dreamland..now Stacey Kent./ NJC > I like Stacey Kent's Dreamsville. It is a wonderful CD...with great > tenor sax. > i, too like this british jazz singer. she sounds like anita o'day at times and her monumental swing is infectious. i have her 'let yourself go' and "love is ... the tender trap" albums and i am completely mesmerized by her performances here. what i didn't know is that Stacey Kent can tease a ballad like no one, as evidenced by her DREAMSVILLE album. her reedy instrument is just right to coax the innate sadness in ballads. highly recommended! joseph np: patricia marx "what's going on?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:17:51 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) > "I don't think her voice is quite what it used to be, but in her heyday, > it was gorgeous." Well, last December, said voice seemed to me all that it > used to be ... gorgeous. > Maybe it's the way it's been recorded in more recent years. Driving home tonight I was listening to disk 2 of 'Forever' and heard one of the songs that was newly written & recorded at the time of this compilation called 'Walls (We Are Not Forgotten)'. Her voice rings through strong & clear on this song and is very powerful. But there's something about the way it's recorded that seems to soften the sound of it and I've noticed this on several of her later songs. And no offense to Mack, but when 'Hard Times For Lovers' was a hit on the radio it used to drive me nuts because she sounded flat half the time and I thought 'boy, she's really lost it!' But now I'm wondering if it was the way it was recorded. The newer version of 'Chelsea Morning' is another one where the voice seems lost in a fog inside an echo chamber or some damn thing. She has a beautiful voice and I don't see any need to soften it or obscure it in a blurry, echo-ey haze of sound. The early recordings that have less production really showcase that voice. But she's also proven she can front some fairly heavy production and still sound great like on 'First Boy I Loved' or 'Albatross'. Anyway I'm really enjoying exploring her body of work. I'm developing a great deal of respect and admiration for her. She chose wonderful songs to sing and sang them with beauty & conviction. And some of her writing's not bad either. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:38:20 -0500 From: "James L. Leonard" Subject: Re: Dreamland (McGuinn) SCJoniGuy wrote, re: Roger McGuinn's version of "Dreamland": > It's on his LP "Cardiff Rose". I like McGuinn on a song like "Chestnut Mare", but he can't get the rhythm or the melodic line of Dreamland and it's pretty horrible. > To give Roger his due, here ... McGuinn's version of "Dreamland" is based on Joni's own early version of the song, which was quite different from the version that was released on "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter." Joni taught it to Roger soon after she'd written it (accompanying herself on guitar on "Dreamland," then), when both were touring together with Dylan in his Rolling Thunder Revue (1975). Roger's "Cardiff Rose" LP was a direct outgrowth of that traveling minstrel show, and it's one of my favorites of his solo albums. He included a brand new Dylan song on it, too - "Up To Me" - which was about to become "Tangled Up In Blue" on Dylan's "Blood On The Tracks." Dylan's own version of "Up To Me" (an early outtake from BOTT) can be heard on the "Biograph" box set. In both cases, McGuinn took the embryonic versions of the songs into the studio, and his versions are accurate representations of the songs as they existed at that time. Best, (Boston) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 23:14:51 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) I've always liked Judy too, and she is indeed the one who brought me to know Joni. I saw her a number of times live in the late 60s; loved "Both Sides Now" on the radio and when she did "Chelsea Morning" in concert I flipped out, not realizing at first that they were both written by Joni. I discovered Judy with the album "Wildflowers" so that's always been a favorite ("Michael From Mountains" appears on that one as well), followed by "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" and "In My Life." My understanding regarding her voice was that she either had some throat problems and/or surgery, or something was wrong with her vocal chords around the time of the albums produced in the early 80s. I thought she hit some pretty bad notes on a few of those albums, and I kind of lost her. She has said that she has battled alcoholism as well, which may have manifested itself more greatly after the death of her son. It's possible that the alcohol may have altered her abilities and vocal quality as well during those years. I may well have my facts wrong on this, but this is the way I understood it. I think her voice has come back beautifully, and I do love listening especially to those three albums mentioned above. And she plays a beautiful piano, especially on two favorites, "My Father" and "Secret Gardens." I once heard a rumor when I lived in California that Judy took one of Joni's songs called "Love Song To A Stranger" and wrote the notes of the song backward to create "Secret Gardens!!" Rumor only of course, but I found it fascinating at that time! Anyway thats my uneducated two cents on Judy! I do love her, always will. Best regards, Gary np: Norah Jones, "Come Away With Me" Mark or Travis wrote: > > > "I don't think her voice is quite what it used to be, but in her heyday, > > it was gorgeous." Well, last December, said voice seemed to me all that it > > used to be ... gorgeous. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 21:03:36 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: List members' comments on Judy Blue Eyes (SJC) I once heard a > rumor when I lived in California that Judy took one of > Joni's songs called "Love Song To A Stranger" and wrote the > notes of the song backward to create "Secret Gardens!!" > Rumor only of course, but I found it fascinating at that > time! I take it you're talking about Joanie Baez here. 'Love Song To A Stranger' is one of her original songs. And not a bad one, either. Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:17:43 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: get over it njc The television is on as I do other things. One of the million or so teenie movies is on. This one is titled "Get over it." One ditzy girl says about another, the character played by Kirsten Dunst, you should hear her songs. She will be the next Josie Mitchell. The Kirsten character says, "Joni Mitchell." Got a hoot out of that. mack ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #103 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?