From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #98 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 1 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 098 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: March 1 [les@jmdl.com] Today in History: March 1 [les@jmdl.com] Christian labels NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: bafta's njc [colin ] Keys/Norah njc [FredNow@aol.com] STAS vs. SIAM [FredNow@aol.com] Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link [CoyoteRick@aol.com] Grammys NJC [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] BAFTAs NJC [Emily Gray Tedrowe ] Dog Eat Dog [Dave Cuneo ] NJC In The Bedroom [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: STAS vs. SIAM [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BAFTAs NJC [colin ] Re: NJC In The Bedroom [colin ] Re: bafta's njc ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: NJC In The Bedroom [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Best of '69 (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Best of '69 (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: bafta's njc, now beating an NJC dead horse [cvickery@danielrealty.com] Re: STAS vs. SIAM [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Debut albums NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: NJC -- AOL troubles [Gil Lamont ] Re: Grammy broadcast & observations NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: bafta's njc [colin ] Re: NJC -- AOL troubles [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: NJC In The Bedroom [colin ] NJC National Pig Day! [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: NJC -- AOL troubles [RobSher50@aol.com] njc Helga and the Angry Inch [colin ] NJC Ladies [colin ] Re: Debut albums NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Debut albums NJC [Gil Lamont ] "A Case of You," Teri Rambo and WXPN ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: njc Helga and the Angry Inch [colin ] March Madness!! Covers #27 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Debut albums NJC [Alison E ] Re: Debut albums NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Debut albums NJC [Alison E ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:08:38 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: March 1 On March 1 the following articles were published: 1972: "Joni Mitchell - Jackson Browne at Carnegie Hall" - Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/720301v.cfm 1991: "The Grown-Up Game" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/910301ew.cfm 1999: "King Bob and Queen Joni - A Crown Jewel of a Show" - Blacklisted Journalist (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/990301bj.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:08:38 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: March 1 On March 1 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: Joni and Tom Scott win the Best Arrangement Accompanying Vocalists category for "Down To You" from Court And Spark, at the 17th Annual Grammy Awards. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:02:53 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Christian labels NJC >>My niece, who is very talented, is being courted by several Christian labels<< I am almost afraid to ask, but will risk it. What is a Christian label? All this talk about radio stations and corporations etc reminds me that one of the biggest radio station channels here in Spain is COPE, run by the Catholic Church. Tell me it ain't so, mike - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:19:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: bafta's njc > I don't really know what the BAFTA's are so if you would like to enlighten > me that would be great but I don't think I can discuss(or feel one way or > the other about) something I don't know much about. The Oscars I could > care less about The point I was making was that the Oscars are discussed in depth here on the list whether or not you care about them. The fact you don't know what the BAFTA's are sort of makes my point. They are The British Oscar's. I am sure you are not alone in not knowing what they are. As far as I am aware, several UK listers have left the list. The statement I made was a general one and i still think a true one. I made it not because I wished a response to my BAFTA post on a personal level but becasue I know very well that come Oscar time, many posts will be written, if the last 5 years are anything to go by. By the way, we just had out 'Grammies' too! The Brit Awards. Of course one thing that mighht interest the US listers is that at the BAFTA's, the life time achievement award went to Warren Baetty(sp?). I had no idea he had won 12 oscars, 4 of them for acting. To be honest, I thought he was just Shirley's sister and hadn't done much since Shampoo! But I was very wrong. he has produced and directed(for which he won the other 8 Oscars.) btw, anyone know what In The Bedroom is about?(without spoiling it) I admire Sissy Spacek and will probably see this film. years ago, Aussies and Kiwi's were nowhere to be seen come BAFTA or Oscar time. They have come a long way. I am sure NZ must be proud what Peter (I keep thinking it is Walker but it isn't) won the Best Director award at the BAFTA'S. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:32:00 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Keys/Norah njc "Brenda" wrote: >I'm with Bob...I think it's mostly hype. I also don't think she would >have won any Grammies if Clive had not cranked up the PR machine. (Hiring the right >publicist to work the voters can get you a nomination and it can get you the award.) >Those Grammies are as much for him as they are for her. > >Brenda > >n.p.: Norah Jones live on KCRW - Now she's the real deal..... I may be in the minority, but I don't really think Keys is all that, plus she's got melisma flatulence like crazy, just like almost every other latter-day nu-soul/R&B singer. Enough already. Listen to Mahalia Jackson, or Stevie Wonder, or Aretha, if you wanna hear some tasteful, proportioned melisma. I mean, it was bad enough when Mariah Carey came on the scene, but now every little Britney and Christina is obliged to stretch every syllable into a hundred notes of faux soul caricature. But Norah Jones ... I'm betting on her. Last night I read an email from a friend telling me I had to check her out (had never heard of her) and simultaneously flipping TV channels landing on Leno in the middle of Norah Jones' song. I only heard a little bit, but she's really got it. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:40:07 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: STAS vs. SIAM SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: ><> > >Not really a fair analogy, though. Imagine instead that Joni gets a big >star-maker machinery push in 1968 and wins multi-grammies for STAS in 1969? >It was a good record too, but it wouldn't have been deserving of that magnitude >of praise any more than "Songs In A Minor" is today. Bob, did you really write this? If so, did you really mean this? STAS is the brilliant debut of a genius, SIAM is ... OK. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 04:44:31 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: ><> > >Including the win by They Might Be Giants! Whoo-Hoo! (They won for their >theme song to 'Malcolm In The Middle'.) Right on. Great song, great show. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:11:41 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link In a message dated 2/26/02 11:04:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: > Last night on the British version of The Weakest Link, one of the questions > was something like: > > "Roberta Anderson, composer of a number of songs which were popular during > the 60's and 70's, is better known as Joni ........." > > I thought the question was too easy! What other women singers have a first > name of Joni??? > I agree Marian, it was too easy! It makes me crazy that JM's career is a focus of trivia games (noting recent questions on Jeoprady, Weakest Link, and Millionaire), as if she were ancient history. Then, the contestants usually get the answers wrong.. as I scream the answer at the TV, like a crazy man...! Thank God we are among the enlightened! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:22:00 -0600 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: Grammys NJC hi all! lindsay wrote: "So enjoyed the black guy wearing a pink silk-type suit and a long blonde wig. Very fetching. And he won a Grammy, whoever he was." outkast's performance was my favorite part of that long, often tedious show -- i think they are a fantastic, musical, interesting group with new and different things to say (and "ms. jackson" is a haunting, affecting song IMO -- plus the video was stellar and eye-catching). i think the outfit was a visual riff on parliament funkadelic's crazy mystical style, or at least it seemed that way to me -- - -- emily, in chicago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:25:03 -0600 From: Emily Gray Tedrowe Subject: BAFTAs NJC hi colin! it's certainly true that the american media has done little to raise my awareness of the BAFTA awards. what did you think was the highlight of the show? so far, i've heard mostly about russell crowe being furious about a poem edited out of his acceptance speech -- anyone know what poem it was? i'm curious. - -- emily, who thinks "gosford park" was hands down the film of the year, but could be biased b/c altman can do no wrong (practically) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:43:28 -0500 From: Dave Cuneo Subject: Dog Eat Dog Ciao, A member said: "Imagine if everyone judged Joni by Dog Eat Dog? " Hey, I know this album seems to be controversial to the group but I want to say I think it is excellent. I have been listening to it in my car a lot lately ( the car stereo is better than the one at home and the acoustics are awesome!). Yes, it is more "techno" than any other Joni album, but so what? The music is great. My favorite song is "Lucky Girl" - a somewhat ironic piece considering her later divorce. I just noticed recently that in "Dog Eat Dog" someone (Klein?) is saying real low and in the background "dog eat dog" through the whole tune - sort of like in a cartoon dog voice - never noticed that before! The only one i don't like is "Tax Free". Ciao, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:57:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC In The Bedroom <> Colin, I highly recommend this film. The story centers on a Maine family and how a long-married couple & community deals with a tragic situation. The acting, script, direction are almost flawless. I've also admired Sissy's work from when I saw her in "Badlands" many years ago. I'd love to know what you think after you see it. Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Listening To Old Voices" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:01:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: STAS vs. SIAM <> I did write it, but I don't think I expressed myself clearly. Nothing new there... I certainly wasn't trying to compare STAS with SIAM. What I was saying is that STAS was probably not deserving of 6 or so Grammies in 1969 any more than SIAM was in 2002. It would be interesting to look back and see who won what in 1969, and also what other great records came out then. If I recall correctly, '68/'69 was a pretty fertile time for rock & pop music! ;~) Is that any better, or do I still sound like the village idiot? Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Through Your Hands" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:04:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... <> I don't attempt to understand the politics behind these awards either, Joseph...the good news is that India is not so pretentious that she will allow it to dissuade her in any way. I'm looking forward to her next effort. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:45:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: BAFTAs NJC Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: > hi colin! it's certainly true that the american media > has done little to raise my awareness of the BAFTA awards. > what did you think was the highlight of the show? Dear Emily For me it was Dame Judi Dench getting her award and Warren Beatty getting his life time award. I was not surprised LOTR got the best film. As for Mr Crowe-the tv and papers are full of his 'attitude' and how tubby he has become. Until i heard about the 'poem', I hadn't relaised the award parogram i watched was not live! He is a good actor from waht i have seen of him. I have not seen A Beautiful Mind and have no intention of doing so. I may when it appears on tv for free. I have heard recently that the reason there were no references to his gayness or bisexuality was ebcause the distributers/studios insisted there were not. Either way, i don't like films that outright lie when they are supposed to be a true story. it makes me wonder how many 'true' stories I have seen or read that are in a fact bullshit. Call me strange, but i think it is immoral to lie and films like this are immoral and add to the darkness rather than the light. bw colin > > > so far, i've heard mostly about russell crowe being > furious about a poem edited out of his acceptance > speech -- anyone know what poem it was? i'm curious. > > -- emily, who thinks "gosford park" was hands down the > film of the year, but could be biased b/c altman can > do no wrong (practically) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:38:04 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC In The Bedroom I may be wrong, but Sissy Spacek was nominated for Carrie(the first film I saw her in and thought she shone) and wasn;t that the first nomination for a horror flick? I have seen her in Missing, The Long Walk Home and several others. i think she is wonderful. Very attractive and vulnerable looking but with a back made of steel. In The Bedroom sounds like my sort of film. however, I don't go beyond saying I like or dislike a movie. I am no good at that sort of thing. Saw The Planet of Apes recently-fell asleep. Thought the original was much better but thenI was child. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 9:18:38 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: bafta's njc > The point I was making was that the Oscars are discussed in depth here on the > list whether or not you care about them. The fact you don't know what the > BAFTA's are sort of makes my point. They are The British Oscar's. I am sure you > are not alone in not knowing what they are. > Which was my point as well. People are going to discuss things that they know about and care about. It doesn't mean they're uscentric. Just like when people have complained that there's not enough discussion about Joni, instead of complaining they could try starting a discussion. Perhaps Rugby or soccer is really popular in England, but I'm not going to jump into an indepth discussion about them. I'd be more inclined to talk about baseball because that's a part of my life. Remember that there is no "entity" that is the list. It is made up of individuals. > The statement I made was a general one and i still think a true one. > I made it not because I wished a response to my BAFTA post on a personal level > but becasue I know very well that come Oscar time, many posts will be written, > if the last 5 years are anything to go by. > Once again, there is no one person that is "the list" so general statements, unless otherwise specified, are directed towards the individual people that make up this list. When you make statements like that it is not up to you to control how people are supposed to react. You have a right to have your own opinion but I found that statement insulting, regardless of the intent. I understood what you intended from the beginning but that doesn't change my reaction. If I remember correctly, we already went through something like this not long after September 11, about how people from the US don't care about any other countries and I just find that attitude condescending. > years ago, Aussies and Kiwi's were nowhere to be seen come BAFTA or Oscar time. > They have come a long way. I am sure NZ must be proud what Peter (I keep > thinking it is Walker but it isn't) won the Best Director award at the BAFTA'S. > I am proud of Peter Jackson and glad that he won. This [last paragraph] is a much better way to start a discussion. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:29:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC In The Bedroom <> She DID in fact, win the Oscar for "Coal Miner's Daughter" in 1980 playing Loretta Lynn. She does seem more real than your basic Hollywood starlet. She has an impressive body of work. <> It has gotten raves everywhere, although here in South Carolina it has not been well-received. Local reviewers said it was too slow and boring. I had to laugh as I found it to be *very* intense, but on an emotional level, not on a car-chase one. There were about 10 people in the theatre at the start of the film, and about half of them walked out in the middle! Marisa Tomei is also excellent as is Tom Wilkinson, who plays her husband. Bob NP: Shawn, JT, Mary, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:37:40 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Best of '69 (NJC) In a message dated 3/1/2002 9:02:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > It would be interesting to look back and see who won what in 1969, and also > what other great records came out then Got my curiosity stirring Bob, so I checked the '69 grammy winners RECORD OF THE YEAR 1969: "Mrs. Robinson" - Simon & Garfunkel ALBUM OF THE YEAR 1969: By The Time I Get To Phoenix - Glen Campbell SONG OF THE YEAR (songwriter's 1969: "Little Green Apples" (Bobby Russell) BEST NEW ARTIST 1969: Jose Feliciano BEST VOCAL PERFORMANCE 1969: "Light My Fire" - Jose Feliciano BEST VOCAL PERFORMANCE 1969: "Do You Know The Way To San Jose" - Dionne Warwick BEST POP VOCAL PERFORMANCE BY A DUO OR GROUP WITH VOCALS 1969: "Mrs. Robinson" - Simon & Garfunkel BEST R&B SONG 1969: "(Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay" (Otis Redding & Steve Cropper) BEST R&B VOCAL PERFORMANCE, MALE 1969: "(Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay" - - Otis Redding BEST R&B VOCAL PERFORMANCE, FEMALE 1969: "Chain Of Fools" - Aretha Franklin They did have a country category, but oddly the website I checked out didn't show a rock category until 1980. Oh the memories :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:51:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of '69 (NJC) Thanks for that info, Mr. Jimmy! The Grammies notwithstanding, here are some other rock/pop highlights from 1969: Songs: 1. Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In - The 5th Dimension 2. Come Together - The Beatles 3. In the Year 2525 - Zager and Evans 4. Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones 5. Proud Mary - Creedence Clearwater Revival 6. Suite: Judy Blue Eyes - Crosby, Stills and Nash 7. Time of the Season - The Zombies 8. Lay Lady Lay - Bob Dylan 9. Get Back - The Beatles 10. Suspicious Minds - Elvis Presley Albums: 1. Led Zeppelin I - Led Zeppelin 2. Abbey Road - The Beatles 3. The Beatles (White Album) - The Beatles 4. Crosby, Stills and Nash - Crosby, Stills and Nash 5. I Am the Blues - Willie Dixon 6. The Band - The Band 7. Green River - Creedence Clearwater Revival 8. Santana - Santana 9. Blood, Sweat and Tears - Blood, Sweat and Tears 10. Johnny Cash at San Quentin - Johnny Cash Some pretty impressive stuff! Bob NP: Richard Thompson/Shawn Colvin, "Oh I Swear" live in London 1991 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:36:23 -0600 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: bafta's njc, now beating an NJC dead horse colin wrote: <> and victor responded: <> and here i go: i agree with victor - the real issue here isn't that "the list" (or any of its members) are UScentric or otherwise, but that the great majority of listers, for better or for worse, are in the US. that means we are fed what's on US television - the grammys and the oscars - which we then discuss because they are a common experience that most of us have shared. if the majority of listers were in the UK, i'm sure there would have been a big discussion of the BAFTA's, and that i, as a US lister, would be a little left out. so colin, start recruiting more UK listers! cindy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:01:32 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: STAS vs. SIAM Yes, it would be interesting to see who won what in 1969, and you know what, Bob? You're the perfect person to research it! (insert emoticon here) I agree that that was a fertile time (these young whippersnappers just don't make music like they used to), but I honestly think whatever won, if it had been STAS it would have been no less deserving ... that's how highly I think of STAS, one of Joni's best. But because music suffers from chronic iron-poor blood these days, SIAM looked good, like Geritol. Fred In a message dated 3/1/02 8:01:49 AM, SCJoniGuy writes: ><> > >I did write it, but I don't think I expressed myself clearly. Nothing new >there... > >I certainly wasn't trying to compare STAS with SIAM. What I was saying >is that STAS was probably not deserving of 6 or so Grammies in 1969 any >more than SIAM was in 2002. It would be interesting to look back and see >who won what in 1969, and also what other great records came out then. >If I recall correctly, '68/'69 was a pretty fertile time for rock & pop >music! ;~) > >Is that any better, or do I still sound like the village idiot? > >Bob > >NP: John Hiatt, "Through Your Hands" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:13:47 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Debut albums NJC Bob wrote: ><<'Songs In A Minor' is far from perfect but what debut isn't? >> > >Well, off the top of my head: > >Jimi Hendrix Experience, "Are You Experienced" >Elvis Costello, "My Aim Is True" >Crosby, Stills, Nash, self-titled '69 debut >Bonnie Raitt, self-titled '71 debut >X, "Los Angeles" >Marshall Crenshaw, self titled '82 > >A bit subjective I suppose but those (and I'm sure there are more) sound >pretty perfect to my ears. Good list. And off the top of my head, how about: Buffalo Springfield (eponymous) The Doors (eponymous) Joni Mitchell, "Song to a Seagull" Leonard Cohen, "Songs by" Neil Young (eponymous) Santana (eponymous) Poco, "Pickin' Up the Pieces" Sundays, "Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic" Kennedy Rose, "Hai-Ku" Randy Newman, "Something New Under the Sun" (aka eponymous) Allman Brothers Band (eponymous) Mike Oldfield, "Tubular Bells" ... and that's why 1960s rock is *so cool* ... Gil NP Buffalo Springfield, "Bluebird" (live, extended, off The Missing Herd Volume 1) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:23:23 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: NJC -- AOL troubles a frustrated walt wrote: >And I've just about given up *ever* getting through to AOL on the phone. I >gotta hand it to them, though -- if there isn't a "customer service rep" >available, they don't keep you on hold forever -- they just say, sorry, no >one's available, and then they hang up. That's a new one to me. > >Any advice is welcome, Best advice: find another ISP. You can probably find one cheaper than AOL. I was paying $10/month for "bring your own access" and not happy. Then they wanted to jack that up to $15/month, so I finally had the push to leave AOL. Guess what? My PC runs *much* faster, I no longer have printer conflicts, and life is suddenly rosy again. Little birdies in the trees sing to me. All my traffic lights are green. Whenever you're online, AOL constantly writes to your hard drive, writing over files, installing its own idea of what you need. Dump 'em. Gil "friends don't let friends use AOL" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:26:42 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Grammy broadcast & observations NJC joseph wrote: >(waiting for Madeleine Peyroux to follow up her astounding 1994 release) Amen to that. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:30:35 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC Dear Fred, LOL over your post! That's the spirit! Sherelle In a message dated 03/01/2002 12:07:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:01:33 EST > From: FredNow@aol.com > Subject: Re: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC > > "Brenda" wrote: > > >(And hold on to your publishing. Owning the song is where the money is > >at.) > > A-funking-men! > > A label exec, who wanted to own my publishing and copyrights, once had the > gall to ask me to my face, "It's all just intangible property. Why would > you > insist on owning that?" > > For the same reason you want them, motherfunker! > > - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:42:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: bafta's njc, now beating an NJC dead horse > and here i go: > i agree with victor - the real issue here isn't that "the list" > (or any of its members) are UScentric or otherwise, but that the > great majority of listers, for better or for worse, are in the > US. that means we are fed what's on US television - the grammys > and the oscars - which we then discuss because they are a common > experience that most of us have shared. if the majority of > listers were in the UK, i'm sure there would have been a big > discussion of the BAFTA's, and that i, as a US lister, would be a > little left out. I completely disagree. I think the response to what I wrote was(understandably) defensive and simplistic. It isn't just about the oscars-the lack of interest in anything outside the usa is common. however, you are correct, this lis an American list I should have kept my big gob shut. > > > so colin, start recruiting more UK listers! > > cindy - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC awwwwwwmikeeeeeeeey! you know i love you. and not in any kind of high school way, either. (name that flick...) my days lately go like this: work wish i had time to eat lunch work go home work sleep get up repeat so, don't feel bad. i had to schedule time to visit with my mommy this week, and that was to hire her for a work project. i ain't kidding. love and kisses and martinis, alison e. in slc np: willy nelson npimh: you and me, singing ryan in the hotel room in LA - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Go ahead and be insulted if you like and just SEE if > I care. JUST trying to > get your fecking attention as you don't call me > anymore you don't write... > > Love you anyways Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:55:57 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: bafta's njc > This [last paragraph] is > a much better way to start a discussion. now who is being condescending! never mind. Your analogy of rugby/football doesn't hold up. The BAFTA'S are every bit as important as the Oscar. the award ceremony is a big deal. The audience was FULL of American actors, directors ect. the mere fact you think this a .foreign thing' and why should you care or even know about it makes my point well. Fortunately the American actors etc did think it a big deal. Oh and the BAFTA's were very briefly discussed on this list last year. But yiu made you point, it doesn't interest you and why should it. They aren't the Oscars after all! Perhaps you need to have a word with your tv news people or your news pundits and intellectuals who represent the US here in the UK. THEY are the ones who say the the USA has very little knowledge or interest in what goes on outside of the USA. It would seem, from what you say, that these US citizens are being unfair and untruthful. I hope that is the case. The more we know about one another the better. take care colin > > > Victor - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:55:00 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC -- AOL troubles Dear Walt, I have AOL 7.0. I'm not having any problems with my browser, but if I play my AOL radio for over 30 minutes, my whole system freezes up and I have to cold boot my computer to get it to work again. Oh! I forgot! When I do click on a site, I get the text only and no pix, but within about 5 seconds, the pix pop up. Sometimes I have trouble getting to the next page. I close out the site and try again. Most of the time, that works. I guess I won't try calling AOL for help since you're not getting through. Sorry I can't be of more help. Sherelle In a message dated 03/01/2002 12:07:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:07:21 EST > From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com > Subject: NJC -- AOL troubles > > > Hi, all, > > Is anyone else having trouble with their aol browser? I wasn't able to > *anywhere* until today (this has been going on for a week), and even now, > it > won't show me anything but text (e.g., no pix), and won't go past the first > > page of any site I go to. I have a Mac, and I haven't downloaded anything > lately (with this computer -- an *old* Mac, there's not much that can be > downloaded) -- so i don't think this is a virus; and there's no evidence > of > damage to the computer otherwise, at least not that I've been able to find. > > And I've just about given up *ever* getting through to AOL on the phone. I > > gotta hand it to them, though -- if there isn't a "customer service rep" > available, they don't keep you on hold forever -- they just say, sorry, no > one's available, and then they hang up. That's a new one to me. > > Any advice is welcome, > > thanks, > > a frustrated walt > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:02:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC In The Bedroom > *very* intense, but on an emotional level, not on a car-chase one. appeals mre and more. > There were about 10 people in the theatre at the start of the film, and about half of them walked out in the middle! pity. Most films, unless I am blibkred, today seem to be big action type films. Soem are fun but I enjoy a more meaty film too. I can't recall the title of the film but I enjoyed it very much. It was more or less a 2 hander with Gene Hackman and Morgan freeman. Hackman had been wrongly suspected of a sex murder. Freeman was the copper. Somewhere hot. I recently saw another film with Ryan O'neal and Cher and Chazz someone(based on his play) which again was basically a two hander, alternating bewteen Cher and Chazz and Cher and Ryan O'Neal. I enjoyed and found it engrossing tho John found it boring. Another film we saw was Swordfish which was I thought was crap-unbelievable crap. Halle Berry(sp?) was in it and I was surpised at her for debasing herself that way. Surely she isn't that desperate for a part. I wouldn't have thought Travolta neede it either. > > > Marisa Tomei is also excellent as is Tom Wilkinson, who plays her husband. > > Bob > > NP: Shawn, JT, Mary, "Big Yellow Taxi" - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:58:17 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC National Pig Day! I thought I'd heard everything, but on the radio this morning they announced that it was National Pig Day. I checked it out, and sure enough March 1st is Pig day. They even have greeting cards available. I guess that explains why the banks are closed and there's no mail today. LOL So Happy National Pig Day everyone. Jimmy (so Hell, do they have a National Dingo Day? :~D ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:02:22 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: RE: NJC -- AOL troubles Victor wrote: So I thought I'd just take the outside cover off and check to see if everything was in tight and lo and behold, it was all covered in dust. So I wiped it all off and blew some out (two years of collected dust), put the side back on and booted it up again...and everything that had been missing suddenly reappeared. Immediately, my mood completely reversed and all of the clouds that had gathered up dispersed right away. I guess a little cleaning never hurts. Now if I can just keep applying this to other facets of my life... Victor Dear Victor, Good advice for fixing one's computer and one's life. It hit me right between the eyes. Very well said! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:09:32 +0000 From: colin Subject: njc Helga and the Angry Inch This is a film we saw recently too. maybe I mentioned it. Very 'out there' but highly entertaining and thought provoking. Well acted and the music was good too. based on a Broadway musical. a comment was made that ihad never thought of before and I repeat it here not to have a go at anyone but because \I found it a fasciniating interpretation; jesus did not die for our sins but to save us from his father. Helga and the Angry Inch is the name of rock band. So called becasue helga had been a man from east germany who had met and married an A,merican soldier. in order for the marriage to take place, helga had a sex change. the operation was bothced and helga was left with 1 inch penis. the soldeir ditched her once in the USA. The band played in the strangest places, like diners with elderly audiences. Also, a young man that Helga had a thing for, ripped off one of her songs and became a huge star. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 18:15:59 +0000 From: colin Subject: NJC Ladies Have been reading a heavy book. Part of it is about language and how it changes and how different languages interpret the world differently and express certain things differently.(this same book, btw, also talks about why the USA is considered UScentric by many) anyway, I was confused about this: the author writes of how in the 70's and since certain words have become 'bad' words that should not be used as they offend people. Nigger, queer and lady were mentioned. I get the first two words but do not understand the latter. i did not know it was offensive to use the word lady to describe a woman. No one has ever pulled me up on it and it is a word I use. I thought it was a polite way to speak of a woman. So if you know why, could you explain please? - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:34:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Debut albums NJC <> Great additions, Gil! Especially The Sundays, that was an inspired pick! It reminded me of Tracy Chapman's debut, which came out about the same time. Both of those debuts rocked my world to be sure, and neither artist/band has been able to meet the strength of the debut. Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Rock Of Your Love" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 11:04:40 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Debut albums NJC Bob wrote: >Great additions, Gil! Especially The Sundays, that was an inspired pick! >It reminded me of Tracy Chapman's debut, which came out about the same >time. Both of those debuts rocked my world to be sure, and neither >artist/band has been able to meet the strength of the debut. Ain't that the truth! IMHO The Sundays' body of work is quite respectable, and you have to give the band credit for coming back together after the raise-the-kid hiatus. Whereas I quickly got tired of Tracy Chapman's "the homeless are gonna rise up" rhetoric. For a lot of groups, their debuts while promising weren't the full flower of the Band That Was to Be: Talking Heads The Who Loggins and Messina The Mothers Grateful Dead Little Feat plus, of course, the leaders of the British invasion ... Gil Gil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:05:40 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: "A Case of You," Teri Rambo and WXPN Attention, Bob "Coversmeister" Mueller and any interested jmdl-er, Today, on the "Women's Music Hour" program-within-a-program, "The Morning Show" on WXPN: 1) For the Select-A-Set, a station member (i.e., contributor), mindful of the recent Grammy awards, requested the playing of songs by three significant female artists, in chronological order of their career beginnings. Joni's "Ladies of the Canyon" (the individual song) was followed by a Lucinda Williams selection and then, a PJ Harvey selection. 2) Later in the same hour, the live in-studio guest was Teri Rambo, an emerging artist who had moved into Phildadelphia a year ago. Teri performed one of her own compositions; then, the host, Michaela Majoun, with Joni's Lifetime Achievement Grammy as a point of departure, asked Teri how she became familiar with JM's music, Teri being to young to experience it "the first time around." Teri told who introduced her, the details of which I forget, and then went into an excellent rendition of "A Case of You," much like Joni's original. While I didn't retain whether there was specific mention of available recordings, there probably are; the place to find out is terirambo@excite.com. At WXPN, the AAA radio station owned, but not funded, by the University of Pennsylvania, the staff loves Joni's music as much as we do. Ms. Majoun, who was the introducer at the Both Sides Now tour stop in Camden, N.J. [for the far-flung members of our community not familiar with Mid-Atlantic U.S.A. geography, Camden is right across the Delaware River from Philadelphia] sometimes refers to JM as "the goddess." Besides the Philadelphia station at 88.5 MHz, they have two subsidiary stations at 88.1 MHz, Harrisburg, Pa., (WXPH) and 104.9 MHz in the Lehigh Valley area of Pa. (evidently a "translator" station whose callsign, which would contains numbers and letters, they never announce), and the signal is carried part-time by the station at Kent High School, Worton, Md., WKHS, 90.5 MHz, when the latter is not broadcasting locally originated material. WXPN also puts its programming as streaming audio on the Web; go to www.xpn.org. WKHS had done so, but recently announced that it is suspended until outstanding copyright issues are resolved. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:20:49 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: njc Helga and the Angry Inch It's Hedwig. I have the DVD and saw it off Broadway at the Jane Street theater. I highly recommend it. Jerry colin wrote: > This is a film we saw recently too. maybe I mentioned it. Very 'out > there' but highly entertaining and thought provoking. Well acted and the > music was good too. based on a Broadway musical. > a comment was made that ihad never thought of before and I repeat it > here not to have a go at anyone but because \I found it a fasciniating > interpretation; jesus did not die for our sins but to save us from his > father. > > Helga and the Angry Inch is the name of rock band. So called becasue > helga had been a man from east germany who had met and married an > A,merican soldier. in order for the marriage to take place, helga had a > sex change. the operation was bothced and helga was left with 1 inch > penis. > the soldeir ditched her once in the USA. The band played in the > strangest places, like diners with elderly audiences. > Also, a young man that Helga had a thing for, ripped off one of her > songs and became a huge star. > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > Passap 6000, Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:27:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "A Case of You," Teri Rambo and WXPN <> I couldn't find anything on Teri Rambo anywhere on the web...so if you can find something, let me know! Thanks for thinking about covers, and hey - look at the time! It's the 1st! ;~) Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Gone" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 11:44:06 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Re: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC Well, Fred, take heart in the fact that someone was even interested in your stuff! Having a bad day due to some confusing feedback on some songs. (How can a song's lyrics be both too predictable and too esoteric???) I think that you have to write songs that would go to #1 on EVERY chart even to get in the front door! and, btw, the more I do the math, the bleaker the numbers look... you need a song to be on a milllion selling CD before you see some serious cash... and at that, tech writing is still more lucartive! what a bummer... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:10:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: clive njc >>>Clive- Those Grammies are as much for him as they are for her.<<< I agree, that is the way I saw it... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 20:12:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: njc Helga and the Angry Inch Jerry Notaro wrote: > It's Hedwig. I have the DVD and saw it off Broadway at the Jane Street > theater. I highly recommend it. > > Jerry > thanks for the correction.I never remember titles well! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:11:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: March Madness!! Covers #27 Yes, it's time for "March Madness"...no, I'm not talking about the NCAA, I'm talking about another slamdunk of Joni covers! And March comes in like a lion, with another collection of eclectic (& sometimes pathetic) versions of Joni tunes. Fresh off of it's "World Premiere" in Athens, GA, here's the rundown: 1. Nick DeCaro - All I Want: The "Love Boat lounge" version. 2. Catfish Hodge - For Free: This one's an odd duck. Bob "Catfish" Hodge worked with a lot of mostly southern R & B Artists, and put out a couple of solo records. This cover of For Free is a tough listen at first, but I find it very soulful. 3. Don Randi - Both Sides Now: Ho Hum. 4. Percy Faith - Big Yellow Taxi: Once you get past the "turkey in the straw" barnyard intro, this one is also pretty dull. From the "Black Magic Woman" LP...(somehow I can't imagine Percy with a black magic woman.) 5. Roger Cardwell - The Circle Game: Australia's answer to Roger Whitaker. 6. Lill Lindfors - Gladigen (Carey in Swedish): I don't speak Swedish, but I think she's basically rewritten this song with a different subject. It's awfully pretty though. 7. Barry Miles - Woodstock: A nice funky early 70's jazz workout. Shaft-like. 8. Jimmy Winchell - Free Man In Paris: I used to wish I could sing. Now I wish HE could. SO bad, it should have won a grammy! ;~) 9. Turid - Jag Vet En Prins (I Had A King/Swedish) Turid is/was a 60's/70's folksinger with a Joni-like beautiful voice. Listen to the piano intro here and tell me that it doesn't have a Court & Spark feel to it. And this was recorded in '73 before C&S! 10. Ray Charles Singers - Both Sides Now: Ho Hum. Nothing to do with THE Ray Charles... 11. Leslie Ritter/Scott Petito - Woodstock: This is from their CD released last year called "Circles In Sand". It's a great CD, very new age but more down to earth. This is one of my favorite versions of Woodstock. 12. Ken Watters Group - Both Sides Now: Also from 2001, this is a great jazz interpretation with Ken on trumpet & flugelhorn with a fine quartet. 13. Peter White - River: Featuring Kenny Lattimore on the vocal, sounds great, very soulful, perhaps just a tad too sanitized for my tastes, but I'm sure it would be a popular favorite. 14. Hanne Boel - How Do You Stop: A pleasant enough vocal on this song which I know isn't REALLY a Joni cover. 15. Bernie Steinberg/Tina Malia - The Circle Game: Off of a CD called "Folk Music For Kids", this is a duet sung by 2 children, which raises the question of whether it makes sense to have kids singing a song about watching kids grow up. They do a fine job with it though. 16. Davy Graham - Both Sides Now: Here's the medallion-piece of this CD to me...mostly because this one is hard to find, and well worth the hunt! Anything BUT ho hum. About 7 minutes long, with a "Cotton Ave" like guitar intro, in a raga mode, then Davy breaks into a guitar lick EXACTLY like what Joni did in "In France They Kiss On Main Street" (this song was recorded in 1968) then the tempo picks up and it's an acoustic roller-coaster ride. Boy is it great!! There you have it, another fine entry into the never-ending saga that is the JMDL covers project. Coming up: how you can get a copy for your very own! Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "Round Of Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Debut albums NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Great additions, Gil! Especially The Sundays, that > was an inspired pick! i totally agree! that is one of my all-time favs. >It reminded me of Tracy > Chapman's debut, which came out about the same time. > Both of those debuts rocked my world to be sure, and > neither artist/band has been able to meet the > strength of the debut. THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS, MULLER! i would argue that tracy chapmans last album, "telling stories" was just as good, some of her strongest most powerful writing ever. its unbelievably good. i would add to the list of supremely good debuts, patty griffin--living with ghosts liz phair--exile (also wins in best title category) alison e. in slc Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:36:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Debut albums NJC <> BRING IT ON, FIRETUSH!! I *really* wanted to like Telling Stories, but it was weak, weak, weak. I'm looking at the song titles as we speak, and the only ones I have ANY recollection of are "Less Than Strangers" & "Speak The Word"...the rest are so dull melodically that I just can't break through. BUT I promise I'll spin it this weekend, and listen for the nuggets I missed the first time around. I'm afraid that Tracy ran out of good ideas after her debut. (And I've bought them all). I would contend that "New Beginning" is her second best record, and even on that one the best songs were ones she wrote early on. Bob NP: Shawn, "Window To The World" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:51:30 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Debut albums NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > BRING IT ON, FIRETUSH!! LMAO! > I *really* wanted to like Telling Stories, but it > was weak, weak, weak. > I'm afraid that Tracy ran out of good ideas after > her debut. (And I've bought > them all). well, bob, you are infrequently wrong, but you are just WRONG WRONG WRONG, wrong like salmon-flavored ice cream-wrong, here. just kidding, i don't really give a shit. it's all opinion, anyway. i love all tracy's albums. i love all madonna's albums, too, so what the hell do i know? at least i was smart enough to watch "west wing" and "law and order" rather than the grammys, i get some credit for that. alison e. in slc np: bruce hornsby, harbor lights (another guy who put out a brilliant debut) Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #98 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?