From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #97 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, March 1 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 097 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) ["Jerome ." ] CNN article ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC ["Brenda" ] Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] grammys njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Polka, was Yodelling (NJC ) ["Kate Bennett" ] grammys njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: CNN article (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Broadcasters Outraged over Proposed Reporting Rules NJC [RobSher50@] Re: CNN article (njc) ["Brenda" ] Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Re: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC [RobSher50@ao] Re: Chuck Mitchell ["brian symes" ] Fwd: Eat Whatever You Want (njc) [jan gyn ] RE: Eva Cassidy ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there...now Ryan was there [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Fwd: Eat Whatever You Want (njc) [colin ] bafta's njc [colin ] My Grammy review njc [Randy Remote ] NJC -- AOL troubles [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] HOSL, Sweetiwe, Darling (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... [] Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) [] Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... ["hell" ] Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) ["hell" ] Grammy Grumblings, continued (VLJC) [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Ryan Adams in Paris (and barcelona) (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC [Michael Paz ] Re:AbFAB & Logos (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:22:14 -0800 From: "Jerome ." Subject: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Anyway, Keys' record is OK. Not great, but not bad. 20 years from now > >people will still be recording Joni & Dylan songs while Alicia's > >grammy-winning project is making mulch in a landfill. Couldn't agree less. While I think she has some growing to do, I don't think that Ms. Keys' music will be so easily forgotten. 'Songs In A Minor' is far from perfect but what debut isn't? (OK, there's a few...) I do agree however, that Joni & Dylan will continue to be influential 20 years from now. And, yes, the tango thing really happened. - -J _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:34:03 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC Brenda, anyone was lucky to have you as their A&R person...I know there are some really fine people out there doing A&R. But your advice is wise...to always know the motives of the people you are dealing with...lawyers included. Basically, I don't think artists can afford not to know as much about the business as possible. The resources & knowledge is out there now. Lots of its negative but that is how to learn what not to do. >>I did A&R for five years. We're not all bad! ; ) However, I will say that when you get interest from a company it is very important to find out what their motives are and what the individual's motives are and what your potential success will mean for them. >>>Again, you have to know what the lawyer's motives are, who else they work for and what other deals they may have on the table which might effect yours - meaning will they make concessions in your deal to try get something favorable in another deal with the same party.<<< >>>I believe that the key thing for artists to understand when dealing with labels is that there are at least three profit-loss statements. One is what the labels tell you they've spent. The second is what the labels actually spent. (Those two get reconciled by audit.) And the third is the artist's. The artist has to understand that the label can get to profit faster than the artist will because they have a huge share of the profit compared to the expense that comes out of that profit. The artist's share of the profit is small compared to what get's charged back to them. So if an artist does not make an effort to keep the recoupable costs low and watch like a hawk what gets charged as recoupable, they will constantly be in deficit. (And hold on to your publishing. Owning the song is where the money is at.)<<< Thanks Brenda...I think I will send this to my niece...hopefully her A&R guy is one of the good ones...I think the perception she has is that because the label is Christian, they have integrity...I hope that is true. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:34:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < > > Anyway, Keys' record is OK. Not great, but not bad. 20 years from now people will still be recording Joni & Dylan songs while Alicia's grammy-winning project is making mulch in a landfill. A bit harsh. It is only one album and she just turned twenty. Imagine if everyone judged Joni by Dog Eat Dog? And that was her umpteenth! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:44:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Richard Thompson epiphany Richard, I agree with you..about Teddy with the voice of an angel, the Grammy's which are more about entertainment than music or great songwriting (imho), wanting to see Joni & hearing Joshua Bell...(& once again, Michael Green's speech really irked me...) >>>Richard's son, Teddy, ... gorgeous voice and style... Richard in San Franacisco - watching the boring Grammy's, wanting Joni to appear, and... really only loving seeing Joshua Bell play Bernstein's West Side Story suite excerpts.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:44:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CNN article Sherelle & anyone else interested, here is the other article with a quote from Brian (Just Plain Folks founder): http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/24/artists.rights.reut/index.html ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:34:15 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: RE: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC On 28 Feb 2002 at 11:34, Kate Bennett wrote: > > Thanks Brenda...I think I will send this to my niece...hopefully her > A&R guy is one of the good ones...I think the perception she has is > that because the label is Christian, they have integrity...I hope that > is true. > Your welcome! She has to be really careful about making that assumption. Some of the people who are in the gospel/christian music industry are downright SCANDALOUS! Trust me on that one. Brenda n.p.: Norah Jones live on KCRW - If you guys haven't heard about this one, you must check her out. She's this year's Ryan Adams for me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:38:15 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) On 28 Feb 2002 at 14:34, Jerry Notaro wrote: > SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > < > > > > Anyway, Keys' record is OK. Not great, but not bad. 20 years from > > now people will still be recording Joni & Dylan songs while Alicia's > > grammy-winning project is making mulch in a landfill. > > A bit harsh. It is only one album and she just turned twenty. Imagine > if everyone judged Joni by Dog Eat Dog? And that was her umpteenth! > I'm with Bob...I think it's mostly hype. I also don't think she would have won any Grammies if Clive had not cranked up the PR machine. (Hiring the right publicist to work the voters can get you a nomination and it can get you the award.) Those Grammies are as much for him as they are for her. Brenda n.p.: Norah Jones live on KCRW - Now she's the real deal..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:54:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... Yes, I forgot how great it was to see them at the Grammys...& hooray for their medal...i mean grammy! (grammys?) No airplay for them but music in a movie that a lot of folks saw...That same thing helped Aimee Mann get renoticed...(Magnolia) >>>Oh, I forgot to mention the entire Ralph Stanley/ Soggy Bottom Boys/ Alison-Emmylou-Gillian section, ALL of which was wonderful! And T-Bone Burnett's acceptance speech, when he noted that their record sold 5 million copies with virtually NO airplay should be a wake-up call, was also superb. My sentiments exactly, and sorta in tune with what we've been talking about.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:45:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) <> Who? Just pulling your leg there, J...;~) <<'Songs In A Minor' is far from perfect but what debut isn't? >> Well, off the top of my head: Jimi Hendrix Experience, "Are You Experienced" Elvis Costello, "My Aim Is True" Crosby, Stills, Nash, self-titled '69 debut Bonnie Raitt, self-titled '71 debut X, "Los Angeles" Marshall Crenshaw, self titled '82 A bit subjective I suppose but those (and I'm sure there are more) sound pretty perfect to my ears. Bob NP: Son Volt, "Drown", 2/4/98 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 11:58:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: grammys njc >>>I enjoyed the duet with Nelly Furtado and Steve Vai<<< Oh yes I agree, that too was sweet...just a voice & guitar... >>>And India Arie performing her song "Video"..<<< I really like her...her lyrics are right on too! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:02:29 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) <> Not really a fair analogy, though. Imagine instead that Joni gets a big star-maker machinery push in 1968 and wins multi-grammies for STAS in 1969? It was a good record too, but it wouldn't have been deserving of that magnitude of praise any more than "Songs In A Minor" is today. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:14:59 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... Oh Bob, you've got my blood pressure rising now. Can you BELIEVE he called it life & death. What a complete disgrace to humanity. I wanted to throw my shoe at the tv screen I was so disgusted with his insular attitude. >>>And how about that whole 'downloading is killing music' bullshit speech?<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:15:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Polka, was Yodelling (NJC ) Oh yes they are fabulous...they played here this summer & they do really kick ass...i was up & dancing the entire night! >>>ok, i'm not a polka fan of any kind.... BUT--an exboyfriend of mine was obsessed with Brave Combo. they sort of combine polka with rock and jazz and lots of other influences. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:18:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: grammys njc >>>she was doing the tango with some guy who looked like Michael Paz<<< LOL! I thought so too! Listening to her song, Falling (is that the title?)...it sounds really nice musically & the groove is cool...but the lyrics to me said nothing at all...which is why I like India Arie (sp?)...she actually has something to say. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:39:27 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: CNN article (njc) Dear Kate, Thanks so much for forwarding this article. I am learning more and more. So now, even though the RAC's cause is a good one, it will only benefit 2% of the artist population. Their desire to make the record labels comply with California's law to limit contracts to seven years will seem to only benefit those already signed to long term contracts. In the article, Brian is very upfront and direct about not seeing where the RAC's agenda benefits anyone but the major recording artists though Don Henley tries to state that they have the smaller and independent artist interests at heart. Hmmm...I think that the RAC has their heart in the right place, but need to broaden their agenda to encompass the independent artist as well. Isn't it funny that the record labels refer to the members of the RAC as "spoiled discontents"? They also confirm that record sales are the worst that they have been in 10 years. I see that the battle lines are clearly drawn. I am eager to see what happens. Sherelle In a message dated 02/28/2002 11:38:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > Sherelle & anyone else interested, here is the other article with a quote > from Brian (Just Plain Folks founder): > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/02/24/artists.rights.reut/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:01:33 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC "Brenda" wrote: >(And hold on to your publishing. Owning the song is where the money is >at.) A-funking-men! A label exec, who wanted to own my publishing and copyrights, once had the gall to ask me to my face, "It's all just intangible property. Why would you insist on owning that?" For the same reason you want them, motherfunker! - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:09:14 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Broadcasters Outraged over Proposed Reporting Rules NJC Dear Kate, Thanks so much for the vote of confidence, and thanks for sharing your comments about the business with the list. I know I'm not the only person trying to make it musically. Actually, my daughter is trying to get me to write up a business plan for an independent recording label to see what federal grant money may or may not be available. She feels that the first step is a business plan regardless of the outcome. I'm trying to find out more about doing this. It took a while for me to persuade myself to start gigging, but I know it's the right thing to do. Your live performance is your test of ability in my opinion. Right now I'm practicing and trying to come up with a set that I am comfortable with, but also challenges me vocally. People want to see talent, originality and heart when they watch a performer (imo). I am finding out that persistence is the key to success in this business. It takes a commitment for the "rest of your life" to pursue excellence in music. It is harder because you are reaching for a dream that many others eventually give up on with good reason. Yet, you can't give up because something inside of you knows that you have to pursue it. I'm thinking that this is part of the "dues" they say you pay in this business, and I believe I'm willing to pay. Thanks for all the great info! Love, Sherelle In a message dated 02/28/2002 10:44:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > > >> Sherelle, You DO have the talent & if you feel its what you were born to >> do it, you have to follow that road! >> >> Have you considered finding a way to finance your own recording, even if >> its a spare one...which is often very effective (look at Patty >> Griffin...amazing voice, okay guitar chops...but the passion in her >> recording makes it one of my favorite cds...much more than her second >> highly produced one)...just you & your songs & your instrument or someone >> else playing with you that can support your singing well. Just make sure >> you professional master it to give it that professional edge... >> >> >>> This can be an ugly business, but it's where I have to be because I >> know this is what I was born to do. <<< >> >> Also start gigging as much as possible. That is how you build your >> audience & performance chops...that is what the label wants my niece to do >> before they commit to her....they want her to have a lot of gig >> experience...not just the songwriting talent. Plus that leads you into >> meeting other musicians with connections, etc. Maybe that could lead you >> to a showcase for some smaller labels who could offer you a deal that >> would include bookings, marketing & distribution...Then you are on your >> way making a living! >> >> It is a lot of work though at first, you have to do it yourself until you >> find someone to help you....even just finding a good booking agent would >> be fabulous! Because you would be getting the gigs... >> >> >> Kate, if I could just make a decent living at this, I think I could be >> happy. My dream is also to collaborate with as many artists as I have time >> on this earth for. <<< >> >> Love, Kate >> >> PS I will look for that other article with Brian in it...yes, he is a >> sweet & very hardworking guy...doing it for all the right reasons...he >> stays with us when he comes through SB on his westcoast JPF tours. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:07:19 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: CNN article (njc) On 28 Feb 2002 at 15:39, RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > Dear Kate, > > Thanks so much for forwarding this article. I am learning more and > more. So now, even though the RAC's cause is a good one, it will only > benefit 2% of the artist population. Their desire to make the record > labels comply with California's law to limit contracts to seven years > will seem to only benefit those already signed to long term contracts. I think it will also benefit those who haven't yet signed a long term contract or any contract for that matter. No one can really anticipate what the future will bring when an artist makes that deal. Yet under the typical new artist contract today the artist is locked into those terms for seven albums, with the label having the option to continue putting out records or not. Also, the seven year statute exception doesn't really effect people like Henley and Crow because they have had enough success that they are not forced to sign those types of deals. Most artists of their stature are doing deals for two albums not seven, and some of them can do licensing deals so the master rights revert back to them after 5 or 10 years. However, I think his point is well taken that next up on the agenda has got to be issues like health insurance and retirement. As far as fair royalties, I think success with the seven year exception will only strengthen the position of the artist community for collective bargaining. Brenda n.p.: Groovetech London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:12:22 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... Victor and others opined: > Joshua Bell was amazing on the violin He totally knocked me out and made me hyperventilate. AMAZING The "O Brother" performances were magnificent. I also really loved Alejandro Sanz with Destiny's Child. At least there were a few deserving wins (although my boy Kurt Elling was again a perpetual nominee). All in all I've seen worse Grammys ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:31:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... <> Including the win by They Might Be Giants! Whoo-Hoo! (They won for their theme song to 'Malcolm In The Middle'.) NP: John Hiatt, "Trudy & Dave" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:32:17 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC Dear Brenda, The nice thing is that I have never given up on the music business despite my negative experiences. I truly believe that you were a good A&R person because I feel that you sincerely care about artists. I'm not trying to paint Clive Davis as a saint, but he seems to have the same qualities, and he seems to really love music as well as developing artists. When I see people like him and you, it's hard to totally give up on the industry. I do hope it changes and eases up on the greed factor. I believe that financial circumstances in the industry will force it to do so, or the industry will go down trying to hang on to too much of the pie. Sincerely, Sherelle In a message dated 02/28/2002 10:49:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:38:13 -0800 > From: "Brenda" > Subject: Re: was Broadcasters Outraged ... advice to artists NJC > > On 28 Feb 2002 at 3:28, RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > > > So true. I had a very bad experience with an A&R guy/Producer from a > > record label 20 odd years ago. It left a taste so bad in my mouth that > > I dropped out of the music scene completely. > > I did A&R for five years. We're not all bad! ; ) However, I will say > that when you get > interest from a company it is very important to find out what their motives > are and what > the individual's motives are and what your potential success will mean for > them. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:34:41 -0500 From: "brian symes" Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell You folks made me go down to the basement for this one!!! I find this very interesting. I discovered Joni in 1969 here in Detroit, just a couple of years after she left town. I always regretted the fact that I didn't discover the "coffeehouse" scene until after Joni left, although I did travel to see her in Stratford that year. I began going to our local haunts, including the Raven Gallery and Chessmate, and I did see Chuck perform a number of times. He did a song called "Raggedy Andy" that he wrote and was also published by Gandalf BMI. I always liked it, and actually found an album of his in our local record store that I still have that contains that song. I've heard of the "Combinations" album, but this one is called "Dreams and Stories" and was recorded in June and July of 1969 on Strider Records. I just pulled the album out to look at it after reading the Chuck Mitchell posts and guess who plays drums on the album...John Guerin. It also says recorded Sunset Sound L.A., Bill Lazarus and Tom Harvey, engineers; Strider, Detroit and Los Angeles. There are no Joni songs on the album but a few are: Acapulco (Michael Peter Smith), Broken Hearted Mama (Eric Andersen), Mister Bojangles (Jerry Jeff Walker) and a couple songs Chuck wrote, along with co-writers. 9 tracks total. I also just found inside a huge poster of a drawing of Chuck with the lyrics to the song "Dreams and Stories" with a Chuck Mitchell autograph (produced on the poster), and of course, the song was written by him. I didn't even realize this poster was inside until now. Actually the album is in near-mint condition even after all of these years! So much for some "Chuck" trivia. I'm sure I have a file on him somewhere as well, since he played this area so much. If there is any further interest, I'll take a look for it. Best regards, Gary SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > <> > > Probably because there wasn't much of a career...about all I can add to the discussion is that he recorded an album in 1977 called "Combinations" in which he does a cover of "Circle Game". There's also a duet w/Joni of the same song on the tape trees, done in the WMMR studios I believe. > > After his split with Joni (or HER split with him, after he betrayed her in reference to parenting her child), he became a footnote. Maybe he should have changed his name to "Ground Chuck"! :~D > > Bob > > NP: EmmyLou Harris & Spyboy, "Pancho & Lefty" 9/20/00 - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:51:53 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Eat Whatever You Want (njc) > The Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than the > British or Americans. > > Contrarily, the French have lots of fat in their diets and also suffer > fewer heart attacks than either the British or Americans. > > Conclusion: > > Eat what ever the heck you want. > > It's speaking English that kills you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:06:26 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: Eva Cassidy Anne wrote: "Eva Cassidy. So, drop everything and buy her album Songbird today. Right now! The whole album - actually all of her work - is that good. lots of love Anne" I have an "Eva story" and can't remember whether or not I shared it with the list, so forgive me if I'm repeating myself. But last summer, I was in a retail shop in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where I was staying for a combination of professional conference and vacation. I lingered in this particular store for a while, and eventually realized that I was doing so because I was captivated by the album playing, which I couldn't identify. Turns out it was "Songbird." I already knew the story behind the album: namely, that it had been released posthumously, as a labor of love by Cassidy's family and friends. And so my joy at finding a new artist to discover further, and at learning the answer to my question, was definitely bittersweet. What a talent, though! I'm so glad we still have her wonderful recordings. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:21:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there...now Ryan was there In a message dated 2/28/02 10:21:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > NP: Ryan Adams, "Nobody Girl" (winner of the coveted "Bobby" for song of the > year!) > www.aftonbladet.se/noje/0202/28/grammy/ryanadams.html Ryan & Leona got all dressed up and frilly for the gala event ;~) www.aftonbladet.se/noje/0202/28/grammy/ryanadams.html rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 00:58:38 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Fwd: Eat Whatever You Want (njc) > > Eat what ever the heck you want. > > > > It's speaking English that kills you. or possibly that in both the uk and us cultures, respression/suppresion of emotions is a societal requirement. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 01:04:17 +0000 From: colin Subject: bafta's njc in the the 5 years i have been on this list the Osacrs are always discussed in quite some depth. Obviously no one gives a shit about the BAFTA's. Sometimes the uscentric tone of this list pisses me off. There is a whole world out there that is not the USA. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:04:00 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: My Grammy review njc My Grammy Review or How I Wasted 3 1/2 Hours of My Life You had to feel for Jon Stewart, was this the most sedate audience ever or what? Christina Aguilera-is she developing a paunch? N'Sync-people pay you to do this? Funniest comment of the night:Don Henley: "I'm probably not the most popular guy in the room" I love Bob Dylan, but did it sound like his band were all playing separate songs? Second funniest part of the night: The guy from Outcast's "Hooker from Mars" getup: thank God they are starting their own clothing line. Speaking of thanking God: I didn't know He was in Alicia Keys' family, but it does explain alot. Nelly Furtado. Singing that song that slow killed it. Steve Vai's Hendrix licks could not revive it. Alan Jackson (yawn). At least it wasn't Michael. Ya notice that Bono and George Bush have one thing in common these days? They both talk about God and the good ol' USA. Sheryl Crow's pantsuit: ssschwinggg! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:07:21 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: NJC -- AOL troubles Hi, all, Is anyone else having trouble with their aol browser? I wasn't able to *anywhere* until today (this has been going on for a week), and even now, it won't show me anything but text (e.g., no pix), and won't go past the first page of any site I go to. I have a Mac, and I haven't downloaded anything lately (with this computer -- an *old* Mac, there's not much that can be downloaded) -- so i don't think this is a virus; and there's no evidence of damage to the computer otherwise, at least not that I've been able to find. And I've just about given up *ever* getting through to AOL on the phone. I gotta hand it to them, though -- if there isn't a "customer service rep" available, they don't keep you on hold forever -- they just say, sorry, no one's available, and then they hang up. That's a new one to me. Any advice is welcome, thanks, a frustrated walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:36:23 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: HOSL, Sweetiwe, Darling (sjc) Hey, Smurph (and all), Willy the Shake mentioned this in a post of a couple of days ago: <> I remember this episode -- they were actually having a rather shattering fight, which also included Saffy, during which Patsy does mutter "Hissing of Summer Lawns, darling", I forget in what context. Saffy leaves first, Patsy storms out, and Eddy slumps to the floor of the bathroom. Very unfunny, really. In the next episode, they've each gone their own ways -- Patsy has gone off to NYC for a new job (and doesn't fit in there -- she's mistaken by a bunch of leather-clad genderf**k drag queens as one of their own), and we find Edina at a silly New Age resort where she also doesn't fit in. But their fight, in Edina's bathroom, was well-acted and, honest to god, upsetting. Don't know if this helps you find it, Bob -- it was near the end of the orginal run of the series, I think, but that's what I remember of the episode. cheers, sweetiedarling, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:55:40 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... What I can't understand is why India.Arie did not get a single award. Surely her 7 nominations (the highest number in this year's Grammy) meant something. While I can see a great promise in Alicia Keys and Nelly Furtado, India.Arie couldn't go wrong in my books. JOseph (had to skip work to watch the ceremony) PS. I am just as glad that Coldplay, Harry Connick, Dianne Reeves and Enya won in their categories, but I thought Anne Sofie Von Otter's album was the best classical vocal album for the year. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:07:12 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) > <<'Songs In A Minor' is far from perfect but what debut isn't? >> > > Well, off the top of my head: > > Jimi Hendrix Experience, "Are You Experienced" > Elvis Costello, "My Aim Is True" > Crosby, Stills, Nash, self-titled '69 debut > Bonnie Raitt, self-titled '71 debut > X, "Los Angeles" > Marshall Crenshaw, self titled '82 > also.... Rickie Lee Jones eponymous album and Sheryl Crow's TUESDAY NIGHT MUSIC CLUB. joseph (waiting for Madeleine Peyroux to follow up her astounding 1994 release) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:29:11 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) writes: > > <<'Songs In A Minor' is far from perfect but what debut isn't? >> I'd have to throw in Cyndi Lauper's "She's So Unusual", and maybe...The First Dream Academy album. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:41:56 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: NJC India Arie . > > What I can't understand is why India.Arie did not get a single award. > Surely her 7 nominations (the highest number in this year's Grammy) meant > something. Interesting you say that... When I met India Arie a couple of years ago, she, and my roommate Heidi, were both playing in the popular Eddie's Attic shootout competition in Decatur, where some 30 odd musicians compete against each other for one thousand dollars and a chunk of studio time. Most of the people I saw I was not particularly impressed with. But India, performed this beautiful ballad, just her and her guitar, and I just fell in love with her voice. I told her as much. My roommate also played and I thought she sounded awesome as well. However, both of them were knocked out of the competition fairly early on, losing to people I thought were fairly forgettable. I remember listening to another local singer, Tammy Fowler, talking to her(India) later telling her how good she was and not to let the competition discourage her. Just goes to show you how much judges know. Victor NP: David Letterman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:50:20 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... Victor wrote: > Joshua Bell was amazing on the violin, > I enjoyed the duet with Nelly Furtado and Steve Vai, > And India Arie performing her song "Video".. > > Did anyone else notice that during Alicia Key's performance, it > sounded like someone had left a metronome on or was that > supposed to be a drum track? I noticed that too, and it was very annoying! It didn't even sound like it was keeping correct time, and I almost thought Alicia had to catch up at times. I enjoyed a few of the performances too - "I Am A Man Of Constant Sorrow" was great. Did anyone else think that Emmylou could pass for Joni on side profile? India Arie was great (great song, and great delivery), and I really enjoyed Nelly Furtado and Steve Vai - or should I say I really enjoyed Steve Vai, and HIS accompaniment was "OK"! And I see from the Grammy website that James Taylor won Best Male Pop Vocal Performance. Was it just the broadcast we got here, or was there absolutely no mention of this?! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:52:37 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Grammy broadcast & observations(ljc) Bob wrote: > NP: Neil Finn, Roddy Frame, Graham Gouldman, "Heart Full of Soul" (now THIS rocks!) A HUGE amen to that! Thanks to everyone's favourite Dutch uncle, I have a copy of this, and it's unvbelievably good! Even some nice Kiwiana, in the wee story about "Ten Guitars", that old NZ hymn! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:8:4 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: NJC -- AOL troubles > l(with this computer -- an *old* Mac, there's not much that can be > downloaded) -- so i don't think this is a virus; and there's no evidence of > damage to the computer otherwise, at least not that I've been able to find. On a slightly different but similiar subject, I was freaking out all day because all of the sudden, my modem wouldn't function and I had no sound. I kept trying everything, searching for the files it said it was missing, even went as far as restoring all the original software on the system which should have corrected the problem. I really didn't want to have to take it to a technician or anything but I was completely at a loss and didn't have a clue what to do next. So I thought I'd just take the outside cover off and check to see if everything was in tight and lo and behold, it was all covered in dust. So I wiped it all off and blew some out (two years of collected dust), put the side back on and booted it up again...and everything that had been missing suddenly reappeared. Immediately, my mood completely reversed and all of the clouds that had gathered up dispersed right away. I guess a little cleaning never hurts. Now if I can just keep applying this to other facets of my life... Victor - --- Victor Johnson - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:21:43 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Grammy Grumblings, continued (VLJC) Having not yet read the recent lister reviews of last night's Grammy's, I was busy penning the following report to my niece: Watched the Grammys last night. Who the hell are those people and what do they have to do with music?? I was embarrassed for the likes of Elvis Costello who had to present with Diana Krall (well, okay, at least she has talent) and I don't know who else. The thought of that genius of a musician/songwriter having to endure the load of crap presented and awarded is just shameful. U2 is fine, but I don't see the genius. I think they write those pop songs in about 15 minutes and a lot of it is just repetitious crap. Joni was given a lifetime achievement award along with Count Basie, Perry Como, Rosemary Clooney and some others. It boiled down to a 20-second video clip per artist. Your basic, okay, you've had your day in the sun, you're old -- or dead -- now move along so we can get some new blood in. Sigh. Man, I'm gettin' old! I kept saying, 'bring out the old people; at least I understand what they're doing!' So enjoyed the black guy wearing a pink silk-type suit and a long blonde wig. Very fetching. And he won a Grammy, whoever he was. Sooo deserved it! I think Joan Rivers must take to her bed with cold compresses on her head after hosting one of those gigs. So basically I agreed with Bob Mueller to the T (not an uncommon occurrence, being the astute observer and witty writer that he is). And, Bob, what is the meaning of your NP line: You may recall I am an avid fan of Mr. Finn's and would love to hear what juicy little tidbit you've referred to. Your ever-Joni-lovin' pal, Lindsay P.S. Saw a slogan on a T-shirt today in the mall, something like 'you can't spell crap without rap.' Please excuse my smirk. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:31:36 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Ryan Adams in Paris (and barcelona) (NJC) Give us your address love and will send along our best of our faves as it were and then you can go out and purchase something if you like it Best Paz >>> It was not Adams' music, however, that made an impression in > Australia, but his behaviour. He is a genuine pratt !<< > > Haven't heard anything by him yet (sorry Paz) but by all accounts he > seems to believe his own hype. He played here in Barcelona a couple of > weeks ago and the review in the paper said that despite his obvious > talent it was a pity that he came to Barcelona as a tourist and not as an > artist. > > mike in bcn; who's definitely NOT sorry that the 'Spanish' skier > 'juanito' muellegg has lost his third gold medal. > > NP Ute Lemper 'Punishing Kiss' (thanxs a gin for the 'men killing women' > stuff) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:31:51 -0800 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: RE: bafta's njc > in the the 5 years i have been on this list the Osacrs are always > discussed in quite some depth. > Obviously no one gives a shit about the BAFTA's. > Sometimes the uscentric tone of this list pisses me off. > There is a whole world out there that is not the USA. I don't really know what the BAFTA's are so if you would like to enlighten me that would be great but I don't think I can discuss(or feel one way or the other about) something I don't know much about. The Oscars I could care less about(or the Grammys for that matter.) I just like music and enjoy watching movies and I don't think there is any particular tone to this list. My favorite movie of the past few months is Amelie, which was directed by a French director, which I highly recommend. One of the cd's I've enjoyed the most this month was a cd of European music that was sent to me by a list member. I went to a play last weekend, Alice in Wonderland, written by Lewis Carroll, an Englishman. I met a young man from Poland, last weekend as well who has lived here for five years. He is a musician also and plays the guitar and writes songs in English. The next day, I went to interview for a job at an elementary school and sat in on a special ed class for autistic children. The girl who was leading the class was also from Poland and listening to her recite the states and capitols with them and read a story, I remembered how much I love foreign accents(especially women...I dated a french girl once from La Borne. She turned me on to Francis Cabrel, from France who is one of my favorite singers.) I recently responded to Marian about her friend Ramona who is thinking about recording a Joni Mitchell song and I looked forward to hearing her play someday...she's from Austria. Thanks for reassuring me that the rest of the world is still out there as I would like to return to Europe some day and visit Thailand and don't want to fall off the edge of the world when I leave United States waters. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:40:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC Go ahead and be insulted if you like and just SEE if I care. JUST trying to get your fecking attention as you don't call me anymore you don't write... Waas it something I said? Or did? Or didn't say? Or DIDN'T do? How do you know it doesn;t take a lovely tush to put out an Olympic flame? You just assume that I digress.... Love you anyways Paz >again, let me say, not really sure what this means, >but i'm gonna go ahead and be offended, just in case. >;-P >alison e. in slc > i'm not even sure what this means, really, but i'm > pretty sure it's an insult! > alison e. in slc > > --- Michael Paz wrote: >> It's a fairly loooooooooooong procedure. >> Respectfully. > as if! >> Paz >> i love how this thread has changed but alison is >> still putting out the >>> Olympic flame with her tush! >>> wally > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:59:07 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Just In-From The Producers Desk This just in folks. The Dulson's are leaving tomorrow :-( which is the bad news. The good news is I have finished mixing 12 tracks of the the NOW infamous (thru procrastination and lots to boot) PazFest in New Orleans in May of 2000 and they sound great. The other tracks will be done within the next two weeks. This will be volume 2 which will be a double CD release. I am now taking pre-orders for the Volume 1 disc which include performances by members of the JMDL (except for David Lahm and Brian Thomas which will be on volume 3 along with Jason Marsalis. Info on how to pre orders and such are forthcoming. There will be a total of 4 discs and they will be available individually. Volume 1 will be available to list members only for now. Please email me if you are interested in this disc and I will email you back the details soon. There I said it! Love Paz P.S. Volume 3 has been the hold up all along for reasons I won't go into here. And I believe it won't be long before I can announce it's release date. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re:AbFAB & Logos (NJC) Alison, nobody uses the word "Bastard" quite like you do. I know, even my little niece asked what you were saying when she heard the Jonifest CDs! I agree we could kind of "do a show" just like Spanky, Alfalfa & Darla used to do! ABFABStock! Bring the wigs boys - oh and any LaCroix, boas etc. I can't pick a favorite episode. Everytime someone drops their's in a post I change my mind again. Well I do love Marekessh, in my neighborhood they sell those big water pipes in the middle eastern grocery stores. Perhaps I should buy one and bring it ... AS A PROP! On second thought, I am not gong through security with that thing! Also any John Waters freaks, I'm always good for a few great lines from "Female Trouble." "Nice girls don't wear chacha heels!" Peace, Susan Alson wrote: i feel sorry for the poor bastards that haven't seen the > show, because the accents add so much to the language. > i think we should have some sort of ab-fab-off at > jonifest in woodstock. it will be so out of place and > hilarious. we'll reennact our favorite scenes--i got > dibs on eddie's father's funeral. > alison e. in slc, sweetie! Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:21:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC So glad Joni wasn't there... Hi Hell, >And I see from the Grammy website that James Taylor won Best Male Pop Vocal > Performance. Was it just the broadcast we got here, or was there absolutely > no mention of this?! There was a whole slew of other winners that didn't get mentioned on the broadcast including some more of Joni's boys - Larry Carlton and Steve Lukather and Clapton and Jeff Beck. Maybe I'm turning into an old stodge but I would rather they spent the time having everyone up to the stage to receive their award on the main broadcast. It IS an award show and to me, it just shows no respect at all to relegate most of the winners (much less the achievement award honorees) to a little scrolling trailer before the next commercial. I don't need to see long, over the top musical productions - I just want to see who is honored and be able to cheer or jeer! Bah! Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #97 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?