From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #94 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 28 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 094 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Ryan Adams in Paris (and barcelona) (NJC) ["Mike Pritchard" ] Ramona covering Woodstock - question, njc really ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama] Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: NJC Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link [chiaroscuro@snet.net] RE: NJC Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link [M.Russell@iaea.org] fraud on ebay njc [Kammass@aol.com] Re: fraud on ebay njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Attention CORTLAND NY area (minifest content) [Mags N Brei ] Re: NJC Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) [cvickery@danielrealty.com] Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) [FMYFL@aol.com] that yodelling site changes lives! (NJC) [Marsglobe@aol.com] Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Yodelling (NJC at all!) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Cindys of the world(njc) ["Johnson Victor" ] Re: Broadcasters ...Payola NJC ["Brenda" ] Re:AbFAB & Logos (NJC) [Alison E ] Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC [Alison E ] Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC [Alison E ] RE: alison putting out olympic flame NJC [Alison E ] Re: olympic successes NJC [Alison E ] Re: olympic successes NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Fwd: Bizarre Factoids (njc) [jan gyn ] Fwd: Boneheaded sportscasters say the nuttiest things (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni present at Grammys [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: olympic successes NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) ["Kakki" ] the best of the grammys (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: AbFab (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: AbFab (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Broadcasters Outraged over Proposed Reporting Rules NJC [RobSher50@ao] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:09:13 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Ryan Adams in Paris (and barcelona) (NJC) >>It was not Adams' music, however, that made an impression in Australia, but his behaviour. He is a genuine pratt !<< Haven't heard anything by him yet (sorry Paz) but by all accounts he seems to believe his own hype. He played here in Barcelona a couple of weeks ago and the review in the paper said that despite his obvious talent it was a pity that he came to Barcelona as a tourist and not as an artist. mike in bcn; who's definitely NOT sorry that the 'Spanish' skier 'juanito' muellegg has lost his third gold medal. NP Ute Lemper 'Punishing Kiss' (thanxs a gin for the 'men killing women' stuff) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:26:55 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 27 On February 27 in Joni Mitchell History: 1974: The album "Court And Spark" is certified gold by the RIAA. 1992: From Wally's bio page: Liz Taylor held a gala party at Disneyland for her 60th birthday and Joni was one of many many guests. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/LizBirthday92.html 1996: Gibson Guitar awards Joni with their BEST ACOUSTIC GUITAR award. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:44:05 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Prototype THOSL Cover, 100% JC Ahh... the "Prototype THOSL Cover" thread returns. If you're talking about a watercolor version of THOSL, you are describing the mockup of the cover. There are some bold, brownish brushstrokes near the right edge, in the foreground that are quite unlike the polished, final version. If you look closely, the fold lines are easy to spot along the center spine. It's quite likely that you're seeing the .jpg that I sent to the chap who wrote the article on the making of the cover. Was the book you were looking at published in 2001 by "Q" magazine, in the UK? The history, as I remember it follows: Some of Joni's paintings were discussed in a book called "StarArt". I think the "final" version of the cover was discussed in there. A Friend Of Joni owned the prototype painting and decided that, because of undisclosed personal reasons, she needed to raise some cash. With a heavy heart, she sent a high-quality 35mm photo of the original watercolor to Jim Johnanson at jonimitchell.com and asked him to hold an auction. JJ posted the picture on the official site and I downloaded it, aware that Joni's stuff is cool anyway, and that a prototype of a famous cover is.... **WAY** cool. ..... And now ..... you know ..... the REST ..... ..... of the story. Lama Mike wrote: >>>"Browsing in the bookshop the other day, as one does, I spotted a book called (more or less) '100 Classic Album Covers'. One of the covers was 'Hissing' and the explanation of the cover art was very interesting but one thing worried me: in this book the cover of the album has a brownish background (well, foreground to be exact) whereas I remember my copy (still in Wales, must check it at Easter) being mostly a shade of green. Are there different versions of this cover?" Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:45:48 +0000 From: "vincenzo mancini" Subject: Eric Andersen/JM Hi everybody, is it just the atmosphere warming (Grammy’s night...) or what? I found this report this morning as I am also a subscriber of the Eric Andersen list... I just underlined the Joni mentions and corrected (in italic) some Italian words... Some of the information already surfaced on the list... yet, the new JM documentary is brand new to me... enjoy it! Vincenzo ...may your skies be blue... SPRING NEWS 2002 In February, Eric contributed to the new Joni Mitchell documentary for Delilah Films, in New York. He was interviewed in Oslo and performed 2 songs while also demonstrated guitar tunings. In 1965, he taught Joni her very first open tunings in Detroit. Eric will be playing 7 shows in Switzerland starting on March 2nd at the Bar Hotel Bellevue, in Interlaken. The last show will be in Zurich at el Lokal, on March 10th. Accordionist extraordinaire, Robert Mauer, will be accompanying him at most shows. In April, he will be playing selected concerts in the U.S. and then begin recording his new studio album in New York for Appleseed Recordings. He has written 17 new songs. An early autumn release is projected. He plans to tour behind it. In midMay, there are plans in the works for some shows in Italy where he will be accompanied by the exceptional violinist, Michele Gazich. Michele records and plays regularly with artists such as Michelle Shocked and Italian songwriter, Massimo Bubulo (his name is actually "Bubola"). Eric and Michele have performed often together in Italy in the past two years. Stay tuned. Some summer festivals may also be in the works. Just Out! Eric’s latest release, Live At the Mudd Club has just been released on MP3 in late February. It was recorded at the famous New York underground music showcase, in 1982. The album features two songs of Eric’s that were never recorded or released until now: "Pick Up The Pieces" and "Don’t Stop." And be sure to check out "Blue River." It is the only version with Joni Mitchell singing harmonies that has ever been recorded live on stage. May 2002 will see the longawaited release of the double Danko Fjeld Andersen CD on Appleseed Recordings. It will feature a new cover and will include the reissue of their first award winning album plus a live midnight concert recording done at the Molde Jazz Festival in Norway, in the summer of 1991. What is unique about this recording is that it was done with only 1 mic, in mono! AUTUMN 2001 ROUNDUP Eric toured for two months last fall, starting in Montava ("Mantova"), Italy, in September, at the Festival Letteratura. Other featured writers in attendence were Americans Gore Vidal and Frank McCourt. Then Eric’s tour continued on to the U.S. Eastern Seaboard and into Canada. Joni Mitchell came down to his Toronto show at Hugh’s Place and sat in on harmony for "Blue River". Joni was in town for an award and to visit her daughter Kilauren. At the end of October, Eric played a soldout concert in Woodstock that was filmed for Homespun Tapes. In addition to the show, there was an interview by Happy Traum that will be included. On hand, were musicians Garth Hudson of the Band, the Lovin’ Spoonful’s John Sebastian, jazz pianist and composer, Marilyn Crispell, and Eric Bazilian, formerly of the Hooters, to join and play with Eric that evening. Garth’s wife, Maud Hudson, sang harmonies. The performance video, and companion CD, are looking at a fall 2002 release. Eric performed a soulful version of Fred Neil’s "The Dolphins," with John Sebastian providing a bluesy harmonica backup. In November, Eric had a wonderfully successful tour where he performed in culture houses throughout Belgium with renowned British songwriter Allan Taylor. It was followed up by four soldout solo shows in Holland. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:51:59 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Ramona covering Woodstock - question, njc really Recording Star Kate Bennett said in part, >>...it costs about 7.75 cents per song per CD that she plans to duplicate to do this. I think you have to pay upfront on the CDs you plan to manufacture as opposed to the CDs you actually sell.>> So... then.... Kate, would you say, "I've looked at licensing from both sides, now?" Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 03:56:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link You'd be surprised! You'd get "oh, that Baez woman. What's it? Joni Baez! No, it can't be her! She didn't write. It must be that one who wrote 'Both Sides Now'. You know, Joni Collins!" Relishing Joni trivia at 4 AM. Tsk, tsk. Lama Last night on the British version of The Weakest Link, one of the questions was something like: "Roberta Anderson, composer of a number of songs which were popular during the 60's and 70's, is better known as Joni ........." I thought the question was too easy! What other women singers have a first name of Joni??? Marian Vienna - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:55:55 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link <> Quite a few, actually, but the only other prominent Joni was Joni James, a pop vocalist from the 50's. Before our time, Marian! ;~) Honorable mention: Joni Sledge, one of the Sledge Sisters who recorded "We Are Family" But in reality you are right, Marian...Joni is one of the few artists who can be identified by a single word, not because she chose to be (like Madonna or Cher) but because her talent merits it. Anyway, they've dumbed all these game shows down pretty much, imo. Bob NP: Jimi, "Crosstown Traffic" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:09:56 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: feb 26!!!!! njc Happy Birthday, KITE BINNITT!!!! (I just like to say your name like Hell does :>) Hope it's a good one! Can't wait to hear you sing again in August!! Kerry Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:46:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: feb 26!!!!!!! njc sexy splendid and where did she get those cheekbones????? H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y KATE BENNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:16:20 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@snet.net Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link more importantly .... did the contestant answer this question correctly??? heather At 08:55 AM 2/27/02 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: ><first name of Joni???>> > >Quite a few, actually, but the only other prominent Joni was Joni James, a >pop vocalist from the 50's. Before our time, Marian! ;~) > >Honorable mention: Joni Sledge, one of the Sledge Sisters who recorded "We >Are Family" > >But in reality you are right, Marian...Joni is one of the few artists who >can be identified by a single word, not because she chose to be (like >Madonna or Cher) but because her talent merits it. > >Anyway, they've dumbed all these game shows down pretty much, imo. > >Bob > >NP: Jimi, "Crosstown Traffic" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:18:16 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link Yes! - -----Original Message----- From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net [mailto:chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February, 2002 15:16 To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; RUSSELL, Marian Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link more importantly .... did the contestant answer this question correctly??? heather At 08:55 AM 2/27/02 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: ><first name of Joni???>> > >Quite a few, actually, but the only other prominent Joni was Joni James, a >pop vocalist from the 50's. Before our time, Marian! ;~) > >Honorable mention: Joni Sledge, one of the Sledge Sisters who recorded "We >Are Family" > >But in reality you are right, Marian...Joni is one of the few artists who >can be identified by a single word, not because she chose to be (like >Madonna or Cher) but because her talent merits it. > >Anyway, they've dumbed all these game shows down pretty much, imo. > >Bob > >NP: Jimi, "Crosstown Traffic" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:39:12 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: fraud on ebay njc Hey list, Have enjoyed the last few threads on Joni in books, movies, poetry, etc. Now, I see that getting excited over such things in the past wasn't such a lone mental problem. Glad to see others appreciating such. Today I received this link from a freebie site about ebay and fraud. Thought it was interesting. http://www.msnbc.com/news/713634.asp?pne=msn I loved all the Jonifest Artwork-thanks to all who took the time ... so cool! Hopefully, I'll be sporting one of these beauties this year. Saving money and making plans ... hoping to make it back to the garden! Still upset I missed the Southeast jam-would like to be included in the next one please-Victor, Cindy, Bob, Paz ... whomever. I've mentioned my playing ability which is none, but I do enjoy listening and libations. Kammy in Alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:05:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: fraud on ebay njc <> As did I, Kammy...thanks for sharing it. I buy & sell on E-Bay, and it's easy to see how a person can get consumed by greed and go for that one big kill. As for their feedback system, it's pretty much of a joke. Most sellers wait until you leave positive feedback for them, then they'll leave positive feedback for you. If you get shitty product or service, and you give them negative feedback, they'll do the same for you and can tarnish your reputation. So it's definitely a 'buyer beware' scenario. <> As am I! You were much missed. But all will be forgiven when you make the '02 fest! ;~) Bob NP: "Solid Love", Verona Italy '83 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:49:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Attention CORTLAND NY area (minifest content) Sorry for the use of the bandwidth, but we are looking for a jmdler (LURKERS, that INCLUDES YOU !!) IN THE Cortland NY area as a meeting place/weekend parking spot in carpooling to the minifest to see Gregg Cagno, the wedding singer, play in Maryland, for us along with John and Claud, Lori and Mary, Jody and Scott, and whoever else shows up! Please write us off-list at magsnbrei@yahoo.com Thanks DuckiBoi from ESC np:Fest2001 cds - Anne's opening set :-) ===== You open my heart, you do. Yes you do. - JM Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:23:56 EST From: Marsglobe@aol.com Subject: Yodelling (NJC per se!) Hello, Having just bought the first Joni album after many years of listening to and loving (most of) the others, I was delighted to hear her rather fabulous yodelling on "Night in the City". This led me to wondering if there are any other notable Joni Yodels (is that how you spell the plural of yodel?!) that I should be aware of...can any listers out there suggest any tracks that might qualify. I leave it up to you to define what is or is not a yodel.... Also perhaps top 10 yodellers in pop history? It's trivia like this that gets me de-lurking!!! Love and Yodel-lay-hoos Atom x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:31:52 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: RAP, racism & hip hop culture njc Sherelle wrote: >I think there is such a thing as a hip hop culture. In the mid to late >seventies, we had The Sugar Hill Gang and Grandmaster Flash who in my >opinion, were early forerunners of the hip hop culture we know today. We also >had electronic dance music like that which came from the German group, >Kraftwerk (Trans-Europe Express) which as a Black person, I remember being >very popular with the Black community in the late seventies. I feel that rap >music came about from the meshing of the two styles. To what degree does the history of rap predate the mid to late 1970s? In 1970 Roeg & Cammell's PERFORMANCE soundtrack featured "Wake Up Niggers" by The Last Poets, certainly proto-rap. I wasn't aware of hearing rap before Grandmaster Flash's "The Message" exploded all over the radio. There's also Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" from 1965, which I never connected as rap until I saw it performed as a rap song much later in a movie (whose title I disremember). Since I am, to understate it, not fond of rap, this caused severe mental conflicts, since I am very much a Dylan fan. I never thought of Kraftwerk as being popular with the Black community, and I certainly wouldn't have thought of that style as being a cornerstone of rap music. Interesting. Gil NP: Bob Dylan, Dark Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:41:20 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Broadcasters Outraged over Proposed Reporting Rules NJC RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > > What about those artists who have been very happy with > their labels and have had no complaints? Do they even exist? I would welcome Sheryl Crow last week on the excellent new Bravo (or is it A&E) series Musicians Musicians said she was happy with her record company. On the other hand, she is a founding member of RAC and helped raise money for them, so go figure. You don't really hear alot of artists saying how great their record company is, although there are certainly people within the companies that are appreciated. But when it comes down to the contracts and the way they have always done business, it's a crooked setup, and everybody knows it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:49:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) <> The end of the LOTC version of "Woodstock" is the only thing that comes to mind. <> Slim Whitman would have to be #1...after all, he's sold more records than Elvis (along with Zamfir, the master of the pan flute). MY favorite rock & roll yodel is "Hocus Pocus" by Focus, vocal by Thijs van Leer. Bob NP: Amelia, Verona '83 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:50:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: RAP, racism & hip hop culture njc Rap's dirty little secret is that it was invented by white people. The first rap song was the train sequence from "The Music Man" circa 1962. The whole cadence and everything is there, the train wheels taking the place of the drum machine. the invention of the Model T Ford made the trouble made the people want to get, want to get want to get up and go seven eight nine twenty three miles to the county seat yes, sir yes, sir now who's gonna patronize a two by four kinda store anymore? RR ; ) Gil Lamont wrote: > To what degree does the history of rap predate the mid to late 1970s? > There's also Bob Dylan's "Subterranean Homesick Blues" from 1965, which I > never connected as rap until I saw it performed as a rap song ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:55:07 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni question on The Weakest Link > >Quite a few, actually, but the only other prominent Joni was Joni James, a > >pop vocalist from the 50's. Before our time, Marian! ;~) But one of my mother's favorite singers back then. She was always on our "hi-fi." Jerry np: Carl Verheyan - Good-bye Pork Pie Hat (super!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:56:05 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) > < other notable Joni Yodels>> > > The end of the LOTC version of "Woodstock" is the only thing that comes to mind. She really gets into it on the "Celebration at Big Sur" movie, too. > <> You would have to include Jimmy Rogers, the singing brakeman. Peter Rowan does a mean yodel. And don't forget Tarzan. > > > Slim Whitman would have to be #1...after all, he's sold more records than Elvis (along with Zamfir, the master of the pan flute). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:31:19 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) Marsglobe@aol.com writes: << This led me to wondering if there are any other notable Joni Yodels >> She also does a yodel-y thing at the end of "California," around the "take me as I am lyrics." Then of course, there's her incomparable "Blue Yodel Room." Sorry, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:45:38 -0600 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) Atom inquired: <> I don't know how "pop" either Slim Whitman or Jimmie Rodgers are, though while we're on the subject, Jimmie Rodgers is on my "top 10 musicians" list. The only "artist" I know of that is currently popular *and* yodels is Jewel, who purportedly yodels sometimes in live performances. Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:52:07 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) In a message dated 2/27/2002 12:50:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > <> > > Slim Whitman would have to be #1...after all, he's sold more records than > Elvis (along with Zamfir, the master of the pan flute). > Don't forget about Jimmie Rodgers. and even though she's not at yodeler, I always think of Julie Andrews singing....High on a hill was a lonely goatherd Lay ee odl lay ee odl lay hee hoo..... :~) Also I think kd lang throws in a modified yodeling in some of her older songs. And of course I had to do a google search and came up with this fun yodel sampler. Check out www.yuckles.com/yodel.htm Make sure you press a few different buttons on the jukebox at the same time. Now we'll have yodeling AND accordions at Jonifest this year. LOL Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:03:31 EST From: Marsglobe@aol.com Subject: that yodelling site changes lives! (NJC) < And of course I had to do a google search and came up with this fun yodel sampler. Check out www.yuckles.com/yodel.htm Make sure you press a few different buttons on the jukebox at the same time> WOW! something has been unleashed here :) Excuse me while I find a mountain ridge somewhere.... Atom x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:04:09 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) LeAnne Rimes recorded "Cattle Call," a duet with the legendary Eddy Arnold, which has some first class yodeling on it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:09:22 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC at all!) One of my nephew's favorite jokes: Knock-knock. Who's there? Little old lady. Little old lady who? Never knew you could yodel! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:16:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) <> Jimmie "The Singing Brakeman" Rodgers or Jimmie "Honeycomb, Kisses Sweeter Than Wine" Rodgers? Bob NP: Joe Henry, "Richard Pryor Addresses A Tearful Nation" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:18:06 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC Can someone tell me who sings the gorgeous Fields of Gold that Michelle Kwan skated to in Olympic Exhibition? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:24:12 -0600 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) <> choice A. Jimmie "When It's Peach-Pickin' Time in Georgia" Rodgers. i was raised on his music. well, him and George Beverly Shea, but my therapist and i are working on it. Cindy gosh, i hope there's another Cindy Vickery out there somewhere accomplishing something worthwhile today, just to even everything out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:42:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Broadcasters Outraged over Proposed Reporting Rules NJC Sherelle, I think you understand it pretty well. By the way, Brian the founder of Just Plain Folks was quoted in two recent articles concerning this situation...did you get those? I will dig them up if you didn't see them. I just read an article (somewhere) which talks about how record sales have really gone down & record companies have let go of staff this past year. Is it any wonder that the RIAA is looking for ways to secure future revenue for the big labels & are especially looking at the internet which shows promise of leveling the playing field for all artists. I don't think the RIAA or Big Labels want a level playing field. I think the RAC wants to establish a union for musicians that is similar to the one that actors enjoy...to be organized enough to be able to demand certain things from contracts, etc. I think artist development is a thing of the past. I have heard many record executives say that. These days, its my understanding, an artist has to have a track record of performing, selling & a big draw before the big record labels have any interest. At which point (imo) the artist really doesn't need the label except for total world domination which may cost a huge amount of marketing dollars which of course are charged back to the artist which may mean the artist gets nothing. I have sat in a couple of music panels where they tell you straight out that they are interested in what you look like & how old you are. The music is important but if you don't have the first two fergetaboutit. I have a friend who was told by several record companys that they were looking for young, maleable, artists. Another who was courted by a label turned them down after being told that the label would invent a history of the artists life that was not true but would be a good story (it had something to do with the artist living on the street & all kinds of sordid stuff before she was discovered! by the label. Makes you wonder if Jewel really did live in her car :~) Okay, can you tell how I feel about big record labels yet? On the other hand, there are many respectable smaller labels that are artist friendly & offer a variety of deals. My niece, who is very talented, is being courted by several Christian labels...she's young, beautiful, talented & knows NOTHING about the business side of things & the A&R guy is being soooo nice to her, etc. Thats what A&R guys do well, become your best friend, promise the world, get you to sign away your life sometimes. Of course, Auntie Kate is relentless in sending her lots of information hoping that she will get an understanding of what not to sign. Stuff she may not want to know as it crumbles the idea that so many have of a record deal bieng a ticket to success....Sometimes its a ticket to hell. A good friend of mine who I play with often had several gold records in the past but admits to signing a contract she didn't exactly understand. Now she is gigging like me, supporting herself as a receptionist during the day. She got to tour the world but I don't think she got a penny from selling so many records. Sometimes the more you sell, the more you owe! Crazy but true. Here is a great site that has been recommended to me by many people who are well respected in the record business (one of them is a JPF mentor). The books he's written are highly recommended for anyone with a desire to sign with a record label. These days you not only need a good entertainment lawyer, you need to KNOW as much as the lawyer knows. Anyway, the site also shows you how a standard record contract works. You also need to read Courtney Love's rant about record contracts. Here is the site http://www.mosesavalon.com/index2.htm ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:48:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) <> Well, I was pulling for Choice B, because THAT Jimmie Rodgers does a version of BSN, on his "Windmills of Your Mind" LP. Bob, on the verge of breaking 900 in the covers dept... NP: Joe Henry, "Cold Enough To Cross" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:12:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Broadcasters Outraged over Proposed Reporting Rules NJC Brends, thanks for chiming in on this topic. Just adding a few comments to yours....I apologize to those of you who are sick of this topic...scroll on by or just delete... >>>Record companies do not get paid by radio stations for airplay.<<< Instead they pay radio stations (through a third party) for radio play. Marketing dollars which I imagine get charged back to the artists account. >>>>There is no sound recording royalty for that performance. However, internet streams will have to pay a sound recording royalty.<<< Which is a total travesty. >>>This whole argument about artist development is a fallacy.<<<< Absolutely, it is amazing that they are still using this argument when the practice is long gone. They want hitmakers right out of the gate. >>>I really can't say that I know any artists who are happy with their labels except maybe one or two independents.<<< I can't say I know any either. There are some decent independent labels out there though...often working on behalf of the artist on the distribution level more than the producing level. I think it is Dar Williams (a successful indie) who has just that kind of deal. >>>The label is in many ways a bank (or really, a hard money lender) offering artists an uncollateralized loan.<<< Exactly & so many young artists still don't get that its a LOAN. That the record companies are spending the artists money. There is still so much illusion out there about getting a record deal. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Bday AbFAB & Logos (NJC) HELLLLOOOOOO Kate! Sorry this is a belated wish, but I am sure the celebration will continue well into the weekend! Happy Birthday to one of the most genuine,talented, people on the JMDL! The best to you today and always. ABFAB! For one silly moment I really thought smeone had beaten Hell back with their ABFAB response to Willy, but then came Hell with the actual transcript, I'll never make that assumption again! All hail to Hell ABFAB Queen! Sorry, Alison & Kerry we are but commoners in Hell's queendom! Sorry I am a day late with all responses. It's that damn temp job! Thank goodness it's over! JK! Actually I have received a couple of calls for interviews - finally! I returned those but haven't heard back yet (finger crossed). The entries for the logo contest were all really great - but I have made my decision and it is final. Hey I am from Chicago ... don't I get to vote again? Take care all! Peace Susan Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:40:49 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: Re: Cindys of the world(njc) > Cindy > gosh, i hope there's another Cindy Vickery out there somewhere > accomplishing something worthwhile today, just to even everything > out. I don't know of any other Cindy Vickerys but I have a friend named Kristin Vickery whose performance group is going to be part of the New Orleans Jazz Festival this year. If you'd like, I could check with her to see if she's accomplishing anything today. I'm still trying to figure out if I have/am...Victor - --- Johnson Victor - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:12:07 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Broadcasters ...Payola NJC On 27 Feb 2002 at 12:12, Kate Bennett wrote: > >>>Record companies do not get paid by radio stations for airplay.<<< > > Instead they pay radio stations (through a third party) for radio > play. Marketing dollars which I imagine get charged back to the > artists account. Generally the only marketing expenses that are charged against the artist account are 50% of music videos and 100% of tour support, along with 100% of the recording costs. The only time independent radio promotion money (read: payola) is charged to the artist is if the artist has a minimum amount that they want the label to spend written into their contract, in which case, 50% is charged. Artist representatives ask for this built in promotion spend because it is supposed to "guarantee" that the label will work a single at radio. (Many also ask for built-in minimums for music videos and for independent publicists. The artist has to already have a track record or be the object of a bidding war to get these types of guarantees.) It is also aimed at pushing the label financial commitment up high enough so they will feel compelled to work the project with enough effort to get their money back. As evidenced by EMI's payout of Mariah Carey, sometimes label are willing to just write off the loss rather than proceed. Brenda n.p.: Maggie's Dream - "It's A Sin" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:40:20 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re:AbFAB & Logos (NJC) - --- Susan Guzzi wrote: > All > hail to Hell ABFAB Queen! Sorry, Alison & Kerry we > are but commoners in Hell's queendom! LOL! so true! i enjoyed that transcript so much, but i feel sorry for the poor bastards that haven't seen the show, because the accents add so much to the language. i think we should have some sort of ab-fab-off at jonifest in woodstock. it will be so out of place and hilarious. we'll reennact our favorite scenes--i got dibs on eddie's father's funeral. alison e. in slc, sweetie! bonus quote: Saffy - 'I thought they didn't let people with drug convictions into America.' Patsy - 'It's not so much a conviction, darling. It's more of a strong belief.' np: wfuv, pat metheny Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:43:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC i'm not even sure what this means, really, but i'm pretty sure it's an insult! alison e. in slc - --- Michael Paz wrote: > It's a fairly loooooooooooong procedure. > Respectfully. as if! > Paz >i love how this thread has changed but alison is > still putting out the > > Olympic flame with her tush! > > wally Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:44:57 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: alison putting out olympic flame NJC again, let me say, not really sure what this means, but i'm gonna go ahead and be offended, just in case. ;-P alison e. in slc - --- Michael Paz wrote: >I did keep thinking about Ali a lot > though and wondering if > she would medal or not ( and I don't mean bronze > gold or silver either). HE > HEE! Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: alison putting out olympic flame NJC i know, wallster, i didn't know what the hell i had to do with any of that skating talk either. i think it definately breaks the record on how many list emails have mentioned my name (particularly when they have nothing to do with me!). ae in slc. np: ryan adams on wfuv. anyone see him on leno last night? he nailed it. it was amazing, especially with adam duritz there who i LOVE LOVE LOVE! another bonus abfab quote: "Soon I'll be bendy like Madonna, darling. Then I'll be able to kiss my own ass from both directions." - Edina - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i love how this thread has changed but alison is > still putting out the > Olympic flame with her tush! > wally Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: olympic successes NJC thank you, kakki, for your kind praise of our olympics. i have to say, i was quite proud. it's nice to hear all the positive feedback. as some lovely visitors were overheard to say: "i don't know why people make such a big deal about the mormons, i didn't see any anywhere!" (i'm not kidding). alison e. in slc. - --- Kakki wrote: > Call me a sentimental sop, but this Winter Olympics > was the most exciting > and enjoyable one I've ever experienced. > Notwithstanding, I think the people of SLC and Utah > did a stupendous job. > Kakki Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:01:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: olympic successes NJC <> But such a shame that they stripped Sarah Hughes' gold from her when they discovered she was really none other than Reba McEntire... Bob NP: John Hiatt, "Perfectly Good Guitar" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:22:19 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Bizarre Factoids (njc) >>"Wanted: Young, skinny, wiry fellows not over 18. Must be excellent riders, >>willing to risk death daily. Orphans >>preferred. Wages are $25.00 a week." This is a mid 1800's >>help wanted sign for the Pony Express. >> >>In 1980, a Las Vegas hospital suspended workers for betting >>on when patients would die. >> >>In 1980 the yellow pages listed a funeral Home under "frozen >>foods". >> >>It would take half the people in the United States between >>the ages of 18 and 45 to run the nation's telephone system >>if it were not computerized. >> >>In 1944, Fidel Castro was voted Cuba's best schoolboy athlete. >>A lefthanded pitcher, Castro was later given a tryout by the >>Washington Senators but was turned down by the baseball club. >> >There are more than 1,000 chemicals in a cup of coffee. Of >>these, only 26 have been tested, and half caused cancer in >>rats. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:19:35 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Boneheaded sportscasters say the nuttiest things (njc) >> Ted Walsh, horse-racing commentator: "This is really a lovely horse, I >>once rode her mother." >> >> Murray Walker: "The lead car is absolutely unique, except for the one >>behind it which is identical." >> >> Greg Norman: "I owe a lot to my parents, especially my mother and >>father." >> >> Alan Minter: "Sure, there have been injuries and deaths in boxing -- >>but none of them serious." >> >> Terry Venables: "If history repeats itself, I should think we can >>expect the same thing again" >> >> Ron Atkinson: "He dribbles a lot and the opposition doesn't like it -- >>you can see it all over their >> faces." >> >> Harry Carpenter, BBC-TV boat race, 1977: "Ah, isn't that nice, the wife >>of the Cambridge >> president is kissing the cox of the Oxford crew." >> >> Metro Radio: "Julian Dicks is everywhere. It's like they've got eleven >>Dicks on the field." >> >> David Coleman at the Montreal Olympics: "There goes Juantorena down the >>back straight, opening >> his legs and showing his class." >> >> U.S. TV commentator: "One of the reasons Arnie [Arnold Palmer] is >>playing so well is that, before >> each tee-shot, his wife takes out his balls and kisses them. Oh my God, >>what have I just said?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:38:53 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Fwd: Boneheaded sportscasters say the nuttiest things (njc) Along the same lines, here are some real quotes by NZ broadcaster (and ex-rugby player, who may have been hit in the head a few too many times) Murray Mexted, while commentating various rugby games: 10. He who hesitates (pause)......is lost. 9. Both sides are here to play rugby. 8. You don't like to see hookers going down on players like that. 7. The turf here (Newlands) never took properly and it isn't very well rooted... in fact you could say it is rooted .....did I just say that? 6. He's looking for some meaningful penetration in the backline. 5. Spencer's running across field calling out "come inside me, come inside me." 4. I can tell you it's a magnificent sensation when the gap opens up like that and you just burst right through. 3. A Sky TV producer was conducting a sound test before the last Springbok test at Carisbrook: "Murray, can you hear me? Murray, can you hear me?" Murray: "No." 2. Darryl Gibson has been quite magnificent coming inside Andrew Mehrtens, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of the same today. And the undisputed Mexted leader, the never to be forgotten shocker from a 1998 Super 12 Hurricanes match: 1. Everybody knows that I have been pumping Martin Leslie for a couple of seasons now. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:18:44 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni moment We had a stress reduction seminar at my library today, and one of the instructors taught Ayurveda to Joni. She said she told Joni she should go to bed early. Yeah, right! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:33:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) In a message dated 2/27/02 12:24:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Marsglobe@aol.com writes: > Love and Yodel-lay-hoos > I do a good Tarzan yodel rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:35:51 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni present at Grammys So it's doubtful we'll see our Joan get handed her award?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:04:15 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: olympic successes NJC Alison quoted: > "i don't know why people make such a big >deal about the mormons, i didn't see any >anywhere!" (i'm not kidding). Ha!- that's too much! Here's a link to one sweet story that really got me: http://www.harktheherald.com/archives/2002/article.php?sid=39745 Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:21:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Yodelling (NJC per se!) Jimmy wrote: > Now we'll have yodeling AND accordions at >Jonifest this year. LOL I saw this today and thought of some of you all ;-D Yes, the Grammys really does have this category of awards...... Best Polka Album Live And Kickin' Eddie Blazonczyk's Versatones We Are Not the Enemy: Kick Ass Polka Brave Combo Lenny Live Lenny Gomulka & Chicago Push Happy Times Walter Ostanek and His Band Gone Polka Jimmy Sturr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:10:16 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: the best of the grammys (njc) I was all set to watch tonight's Grammy Awards when I got a call from an out-of-town friend who wanted to meet in Cambridge, so I didn't get to see a lot of the show. Most of it I saw on a monitor of a sports bar that had the sound turned off on all their TVs. So my nominee for the best of the Grammys is . . . Al Green's gold lame suit! Man, I would love to wear that to Jonifest. Bet it woudn't even need alterations. --Bob PS: (Yes, Jimmy and Paz, lame in August.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:19:59 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: AbFab (NJC) Alison wrote: > LOL! so true! i enjoyed that transcript so much, but i > feel sorry for the poor bastards that haven't seen the > show, because the accents add so much to the language. > i think we should have some sort of ab-fab-off at > jonifest in woodstock. it will be so out of place and > hilarious. we'll reennact our favorite scenes--i got > dibs on eddie's father's funeral. > alison e. in slc, sweetie! > bonus quote: > Saffy - 'I thought they didn't let people with drug > convictions into America.' > Patsy - 'It's not so much a conviction, darling. It's > more of a strong belief.' OK, if we're going to have an AbFab quote competition, I have to throw these in: Saffron has just convinced her mother to let her come to Marrakech. Eddie's response: "Well, but as your mother, I take no responsibility for your well-being, all right. You come with us, you're on your own." Or this one, in full rant mode as she conducts her (and Patsy's) defense after being arrested for numerous driving-related offences: Eddie: "Yes. Yes! Why, oh why, do we pay taxes, um? I mean, just to have bloody parking restrictions and buggery-ugly traffic wardens, and bollocky-pedestrian-bloody-crossings, and those bastard railings outside shops, so you can't even get in them? I mean, I know they are there to stop stupid people running into the street and killing themselves, but we're not all stupid, we don't all need nursemaiding. I mean, why not just have a 'Stupidity Tax', just tax the stupid people." Patsy (somewhat over-excited): "Let them die!" I love this show - can you tell?! And if we're re-enacting scenes, I get the sleep-jogging. God knows, I could use the exercise! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:41:39 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: AbFab (NJC) > I love this show - can you tell?! And if we're re-enacting scenes, I get > the sleep-jogging. God knows, I could use the exercise! > > Hell Can I play God in Eddy's dream sequence? I do a mean Marianne Faithful impression! The morning sun touched lightly on The eyes of Lucy Jordan.... (and besides some of you who were at Ashara's in 99 can attest that I look stunning in a blonde wig) Mark E in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 02:09:52 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Broadcasters Outraged over Proposed Reporting Rules NJC Dear Kakki, Wow! Your friend's group has really done well to win the JPF Smooth Jazz Album of the year for 2000. That is quite an accomplishment considering the tens of thousands of members who belong to Just Plain Folks. I'm very happy for him and the group. I entered this year, but I'm just looking to be nominated so that my song or songs can play on Radio Free Virgin. I would love to come to California to play! My goal is to start playing coast to coast within the next year and a half. If that happens, I can only owe it to special people here on the Joni list whose actions speak louder than the kindest words. By the way, Kakki, your insight into the record industry has been so wonderful! I feel like an apprentice trying to drink all of this knowledge in! I love it! Love, Sherelle In a message dated 02/26/2002 9:08:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > Sherelle wrote: > > > I am a member of Just Plain Folks and find it to be a very worthwhile and > > worthy cause. It gives undiscovered artists the chance to be heard over > > Internet Radio (Radio Free Virgin, I think it's called) > > That's great! My friend Harold Payne and his group Gravity won the JP > Folks > Smooth Jazz album of the year in 2000 and he has some events with them > coming up this week and next. When are you coming out to do a gig here, > Sherelle?! ;-) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #94 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?