From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #84 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 084 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: February 21 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: February 21 [les@jmdl.com] Re: CSNY ticket prices/Clear Channel monopoly (NJC) ["Kakki" ] where to upload mp3s? (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: Princess Margaret NJC [Gil Lamont ] brown sugar njc ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC...........Feb. 20th ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Renaldo and Clara NJC [Gil Lamont ] RE: posts not posting? virus? (njc) [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: His Bobness NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: Dylan (NJC) [Gil Lamont ] Re: His Bobness NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: His Bobness NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: CSNY ticket prices/Clear Channel monopoly (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: His Bobness NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: brown sugar njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: brown sugar njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: His Bobness NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: brown sugar & Ryan Adams NYC show njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Princess Margaret NJC [colin ] Joni News [Michael Paz ] Re: A Free cover 4U!! [Michael Paz ] Re: Monopolies (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Gettin Excited! [CoyoteRick@aol.com] Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] new cd? [Lazyasz@aol.com] Botti NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] RE: brown sugar njc ["Brenda" ] Re: brown sugar & Ryan Adams/live review njc ["Brenda" ] cleaning cds njc [evian ] Re: Monopolies/Napster (NJC) ["Brenda" ] anti-dylaners unite! njc [evian ] outstanding royalties for joni!! ["flopit" ] RE: cleaning cds njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:19:57 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 21 On February 21 in Joni Mitchell History: 1966: Chuck and Joni Mitchell perform the last of seven nights in a row at the Chess Mate in Detroit. 2001: Tonight at the Grammy Awards, Carlos Santana and Joni Mitchell came onstage to announce the winner for Album of the Year. The two stood unaffected by the massive crowd, lights, or anything else for that matter. Patiently, they delivered the pre-fabricated patter leading up to opening the envelope. As Santana ripped the envelope, Mitchell spoke the inevitable, "And the winner for best album of the year is" when Santana suddenly chimed in, "'A Love Supreme' by John Coltrane!" They both smiled deeply. It turned out that Eminem really won the Best Album, but the album of the year for Santana and Joni Mitchell was "A Love Supreme." More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/011113nmm.cfm - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 03:19:57 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: February 21 On February 21 the following articles were published: 1978: "The Queens of Rock" - US (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/780221us.cfm 2001: "Ballad of the Rude Canadian" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/010221tgam.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:23:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: CSNY ticket prices/Clear Channel monopoly (NJC) Brenda wrote: > I'm guessing the schedule is in no small part related to Croz's health. I had the great fortune of > working with CPR for a short time in '99 and I can tell you, it was a struggle for him to > walk half a flight of stairs. How wonderful you worked with CPR! I remember '99 being a particularly good year of shows for them. I worry about Crosby's health - especially when I hear that he is going on a long, extensive tour. I don't know how he does it along with everything else he does. The music must sustain him. >Clear Channel's dominance of live music promotion, club ownership and radio station ownership is probably the most >egregious and dangerous factor effecting the music industry today. Forget about recordable cd's, > mp3's and major label distribution dominance. Clear Channel is not only looking to > take over the music industry but it is run by coercive idiots. There have been other groups over the years who have also monopolized - and in sometimes scarily coercive and/or illegal ways. But no one turf lord held it all. CC's monopoly seems so hideously all-encompassing. I'd be interested to know if there are any answers to the situation, besides artists going indie and doing it themselves. Even with that, we still have the problem of the air waves monopoly. As you know, all we really have in L.A. as alternatives are KCRW and KLON, both dependent on public financial support. I appreciate KCRW but there are simply not enough hours of music being played there so I spend most of my time now listening to KLON which seems at least seems to be 98% (great) music 24/7. However, KLON is mostly blues/jazz oriented and not breaking new artists outside those genres. I remember reading a few years ago about small local "micro" stations cropping up but recall they were being scrutinized by the FTC. How do we get back the radio stations? Back in the 60s you had people like Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss who started the artist-friendly A&M and you had the underground FM stations that arose to provide an alternative to the Top 40 AMs. Is it possible to break through the current monopoly or do current regulations or other factors keep hands tied? Kakki NP: Beatles - Nowhere Man ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:03:14 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: feb 20!!!!!!! NJC Happy Birthday Rose!!! (tho a day late - hope it was a good one! - 35 right ;-) Heather At 04:24 PM 2/19/02 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: >dear rose, > >fellow astrologer >lovely friend >hot sexy italian mama! > >H A P P Y B I R T > H D A Y > >have a great day and may the year bring YOU health, love and money!!! > >have fun baby! > >the JMDL BEE EPH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:05:58 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: RE: posts not posting? virus? (njc) i received rose's birthday message, wally. i wasn't getting many posts the last couple of days either. heather At 09:36 PM 2/19/02 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: >i was thinking about writing dates the american way. 21/12 will be 12/21 and >it won't work. >how come jimmy didn't see my post on rose, though? > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: hell@ihug.co.nz [mailto:hell@ihug.co.nz] >Enviado el: Miircoles, 20 de Febrero de 2002 09:28 p.m. >Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org >Asunto: Re: posts not posting? virus? (njc) > > >Wally wrote: > > > this is so strange: i sent a message greeting rose early today and another > > one announcing the date palindrome at about 5 pm and neither posted. how > > weird! > >Both of your messages made it to my mailbox - Rose and the palindrome. >Maybe >it's your mail system? > >Further on the palindrome thing, I'm not sure what you mean by "it can never >happen again." It certainly can't with double-zeroes, because there's no >such >thing as 30:03 in terms of time. But it will happen in the year 2112, ie. > >21:12 21/12/2112 > >Or did you miss that one?! > >Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:48:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: posts not posting? virus? (njc) Wally, I'm on another list that has its server with Smoe. The list owner said that Smoe was going to be moving things around on their servers, maybe that affected our list as well. I'm sure that Les has more awareness of these happenings than me. I'm sure it's not Armageddon, although I'm sure it seems like that from your vantage point sometimes. Bob NP: Guided By Voices, "Liquid Indian" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:40:33 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Happy Rose NJC Hey Rose Sweetie, Hope you have a FABULOUS birthday! May all your wishes come true, Hugs Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:42:44 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: where to upload mp3s? (njc) Hi all- Quick question: I need to upload a downloadable mp3 of my so-called band that's approx. 4 meg. I've never done this before. Any suggestions? thanx, - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:17:12 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Princess Margaret NJC colin wrote: >Actually the English are not popular. the Scots dislike them and so do the >Welsh. >the English dislike everybody because anyone who is not English is beneath >them-especially Americans! Common, loud, and uncouth. I woncer what it >means to >have couth? If the Scots dislike the English, why did my Scottish father marry my English mother and have me? And what do I do now that I've lived among Americans for 30 years? I'm so confused ... Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:28:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: brown sugar njc is this online somewhere? i'd love to hear but not sure how easy it would be to send it to me as we are in the internet dark ages on a phone line ... >>np - ryan adams/beth orton - brown sugar (many thanks to the kind person who sent me the mp3!!!!)<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:29:00 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC...........Feb. 20th rose!!!! a slightly belated but very very happy birthday to one of the sweetest jmdlers i have ever met! thanks for being part of my nyc pizza experience!...much love, kate ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:37:42 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Renaldo and Clara NJC Blair wrote: > So, I rented the supposedly "dreadful" Dylan movie, "Renaldo and >Clara" last night ... How did you manage to *rent* this unreleased-to-video holy grail? I've only ever seen it available in dubbed copies in the gray markets. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:45:36 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: RE: posts not posting? virus? (njc) Bob wrote: > I'm on another list that has its server with Smoe. The list owner > said that Smoe was going to be moving things around on their servers, > maybe that affected our list as well. > > I'm sure that Les has more awareness of these happenings than me. I'm > sure it's not Armageddon, although I'm sure it seems like that from > your vantage point sometimes. Another thing to remember is that internet signals (including email) don't travel in "straight lines", ie. depending on where you are in the world, a message may travel through many different nodes and get redirected many times. If any of these connections are disabled or not running properly for some reason, there will be a delay while another connection is found, or until that connection is fixed. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:50:33 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: His Bobness NJC Mark E. in Seattle wrote: >I was in our local Costco >yesterday and found a 3 cd package of 'Blonde on Blonde', 'Blood on the >Tracks' and 'Time Out of Mind'. I debated about buying it as I've never >been a huge Dylan fan. But I do know that these are 3 of his classics and I >do have a tape of 'Time Out of Mind' and actually have enjoyed listening to >that. The price was right - really a steal for these 3 cds - so I bought >it. Maybe I'll become a convert! That's three great albums to start with. If you like Blonde on Blonde, go back and check out Highway 61 Revisited and Bringing It All Back Home. If you like Blood on the Tracks, check out Desire and Street Legal. If you like Time Out of Mind, check out not only Love and Theft, but go back to his two sets of old blues covers, World Gone Wrong and Good as I Been to You. Then you might want to check out the gospel trilogy, Slow Train Coming, Saved and Shot of Love. And if you go that far ... well, there'll be no stopping you. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:53:30 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Dylan (NJC) Ashara wrote: >Is there >anyone out there who would be willing to make me a Dylan mix of what you >consider to be his best songs, or songs that might help me "get him?" I'm >going to try to turn over a new leaf, if not for my sake, at least for the >Culinary Queen's sake!! (Gotta keep her happy for Jonifest!!) :-) Let me be another voice offering a Best of Bob mix for ya. I can even be unfair and toss in the best of the unreleased stuff. How do you want it? Msotly acoustic, or a little electric too? New Bob or old (young) Bob? Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:57:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: His Bobness NJC <> While these are both EXCELLENT discs, they are nothing alike. Time Out of Mind is very dark and brooding, and driven by Daniel Lanois' production, whereas Love & Theft is more upbeat, with some LOL lyrics and blues & western swing backbeats. Produced by Dylan himself. I would say if you like Time Out of Mind, check out the other Lanois-produced effort "Oh Mercy". Bob NP: John Hammond, "Heartattack & Vine" (Waits fans, 2 new TW songs out this week on the 'Big Bad Love' soundtrack - SWEET!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:20:41 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC Since we're talking 'bout Bob, who can answer this one: Both Dylan & Joni have recorded (& released on record) Big Yellow Taxi. Both have performed Mr. Tambourine Man, but Joni's is unreleased. What other song has been recorded and released by both Bob & Joni? (cue Jeopardy music);~) Bob NP: John Hammond, "Get Behind The Mule" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:54:01 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: His Bobness NJC Bob wrote: ><> > >While these are both EXCELLENT discs, they are nothing alike. Time Out of >Mind is very dark and brooding, and driven by Daniel Lanois' production, >whereas Love & Theft is more upbeat, with some LOL lyrics and blues & >western swing backbeats. Produced by Dylan himself. Yes, but Time Out of Mind also gets down and boogies. Its touchstone is the blues tradition (extensively discussed on r.m.d.) and has its own LOL lyrics (and not just Highlands, either). Love and Theft relates more to a thirties tradition, but its blues, High Water, is as dark as anything on Love and Theft. I was thinking more of Bob's gravelliest voice and the excellence of both albums. Perhaps pairing them was a little like those recommendations on DVDs -- "If you liked Predator try Kindergarten Cop" -- that sort of thing. >I would say if you like Time Out of Mind, check out the other >Lanois-produced effort "Oh Mercy". A little more "produced" than Time Out of Mind, wouldn't you say? I love it, but I think I might prefer the Ring Them Bells boot of Oh Mercy outtakes. Collect 'em all, I say. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:51:40 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CSNY ticket prices/Clear Channel monopoly (NJC) Kakki wrote: > There have been other groups over the years who have also monopolized - and > in sometimes scarily coercive and/or illegal ways. But no one turf lord > held it all. CC's monopoly seems so hideously all-encompassing. I'd be > interested to know if there are any answers to the situation, besides > artists going indie and doing it themselves. The roots of the problem lie in the dismantling of anti-monopoly rules which started with Reagan and continue to this day. I hate to sound like a broken record (skipping CD?), but when big money owns our "leaders", this is the end result. The foisting of irrelevant pap may be the undoing of the megas, along with unbridled greed that screws artists, consumers, and killed Napster, which, even though a copyright infringer, gave people something they want- a single source for musical downloads. People get sick of it and start their own thing. That's how FM radio (now long co-opted) started. Either that or put up with the current ever-narrowing corpo-pop. Same thing with the politicos. We have the power, just need to wake up from our TV-induced coma, and kick out the "axis of evil". RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:53:12 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC Dylan released BYT? I guess I missed that. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Since we're talking 'bout Bob, who can answer this one: > > Both Dylan & Joni have recorded (& released on record) Big Yellow Taxi. Both have performed Mr. Tambourine Man, but Joni's is unreleased. > > What other song has been recorded and released by both Bob & Joni? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:13:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC <> Well, you didn't miss much! ;~) When he switched to Geffen (albeit only briefly), Columbia took some outtakes and leftovers and released "Dylan" in 1973. It's generally regarded as his worst record as it wasn't really his project anyway. An interesting footnote: Dylan changes the lyric "Don't it always seem to go" to "don't it always goes to show"...wonder how Joni felt about Dylan tinkering with her words - does one argue with a Dylan lyric change, even when they're Joni? ;~) Bob NP: Herbie Hancock, "Here Come De Honey Man" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:15:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: His Bobness NJC <> Yes, but still a better match to TOOM than L&T. <> You'll get no debate from me on that one, dude! ;~) Bob NP: Herbie Hancock, "St. Louis Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:38:35 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC Bob wrote: > Since we're talking 'bout Bob, who can answer this one: > > Both Dylan & Joni have recorded (& released on record) Big Yellow Taxi. > Both have performed Mr. Tambourine Man, but Joni's is unreleased. > > What other song has been recorded and released by both Bob & Joni? I guess you might be talking about "Corrina, Corrina" (or "A Bird That Whistles") as Joni recorded it on CMIARS? Dylan's arrangement was on his album, "The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan". OK, I looked up the album, but I got the song on my own! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:38:47 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC Bob wrote: > Since we're talking 'bout Bob, who can answer this one: > > Both Dylan & Joni have recorded (& released on record) Big Yellow Taxi. > Both have performed Mr. Tambourine Man, but Joni's is unreleased. > > What other song has been recorded and released by both Bob & Joni? I guess you might be talking about "Corrina, Corrina" (or "A Bird That Whistles") as Joni recorded it on CMIARS? Dylan's arrangement was on his album, "The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan". OK, I looked up the album, but I got the song on my own! Hell P.S. I love this trivia stuff! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:46:27 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: brown sugar njc >>np - ryan adams/beth orton - brown sugar (many thanks to the kind person who sent me the mp3!!!!)<<< I'd sure like to hear it as well, before I go to Ryans' list to beg for bootlegs. Hell, I'll do it anyway, ha! rosalita NP: Whiskeytown, Pneumonia: The Ballad of Carol Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:00:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: brown sugar njc don't make her beg for bootlegs! >>>I'd sure like to hear it as well, before I go to Ryans' list to beg for bootlegs. Hell, I'll do it anyway, ha! rosalita ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:01:53 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: His Bobness NJC Bob wrote (in reponse to me): ><> > >Yes, but still a better match to TOOM than L&T. Apparently we're going to have to step outside on this one. Look, over there, it's Bob Landy! ><> > >You'll get no debate from me on that one, dude! ;~) Just over which ones to buy first? :-) Heck, start with Biograph. It's cheap and 98% full of prime cuts. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:30:56 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: brown sugar & Ryan Adams NYC show njc I've been trying to get tix to see Ryan at the Roseland Ballroom in NYC in March via Ticketmaster and to no avail, yet they don't say the show is sold out yet. Go figure. Will try for the Philly show that goes on sale Friday 2/22. I hear he drinks alot on stage. Anyone wants to goze, email me off list. Thanks, Rose NP: Whiskeytown, Easy Hearts ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:51:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Princess Margaret NJC > If the Scots dislike the English, why did my Scottish father marry my > English mother and have me? for the same reason my other half's parents married-love-which cna and does reach beyond stupid boundaries. His parents are Scots/English > And what do I do now that I've lived among > Americans for 30 years? > > I'm so confused ... > > Gil - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:10:34 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni News I don't know if anyone posted this, but thought I would pass it on Love Paz ANDREW FLYNN Canadian Press Tuesday, February 19, 2002 Joni Mitchell will receive a Grammy award for lifetime achievement next week. TORONTO (CP) - A lifetime achievement Grammy seems a somewhat overdue honour to bestow upon Joni Mitchell, given the impressive battery of career accolades she's already had. When the singer finally receives that award next week, it can join the host on her shelf: five Grammys, a Governor General's Performing Arts Award, Rolling Stone's artist of the year, Billboard Magazine's century award and her entry in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (the first Canadian woman to make it there). The awards are wonderful, but not enough to do her justice, says longtime friend and manager, Sam Feldman. "I think that the real acclaim that she should have had is subverted by the commercial goals of the industry at large and the media," says Feldman, who is admittedly biased in Mitchell's favour. And that's not just because Mitchell's folk-rock heyday is now a matter of nostalgic myth to the rock video generation. "It's not so much which palette she's painting on, it's more that there's a huge exploitation process that happens in our society that more often than not ignores true artistry." Feldman is not suggesting that Mitchell feels unappreciated, nor that she is hungry for the praise of her peers or publicity. "It's impossible - Joni Mitchell cannot pander. It's not in her chemistry to ever do anything for commercial purpose," says Feldman. "If she thought she was, inadvertently, I'm sure she would take a left turn." The Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock refers to her as "one of the most respected singer/songwriters in rock. . . also one of its most daring and uncompromising innovators." The Oxford Companion to Popular Music says Mitchell is "probably the most important woman songwriter of her era." The influence Mitchell has had on other artists throughout her career is undeniable. But she remains an elusive personality, holed up in her Los Angeles villa until it suits her to emerge: in 1997 she declined to appear at her induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, but she did attend the unveiling of her star on Canada's Walk of Fame last October. Mitchell's Lifetime Achievement Grammy will be handed out at a members-only Grammy-week ceremony. Awards will also go to Al Green, Rosemary Clooney, late bandleader-pianist Count Basie and the late crooner Perry Como. It was not certain that Mitchell would attend, as she is currently in the studio recording an album. She is a study in contradiction - her privacy is paramount, but Mitchell expresses herself so thoroughly and intimately that her art invites a personal emotional connection. "She's a complete and utter inspiration, no two ways about it," says Winnipeg-born singer/songwriter Chantal Kreviazuk. "Just that she could believe in herself so much. I recently bought (1974's) Court and Spark again. I was just blown away by the way that she just seemed to dive into that record. You get the feeling that there's no turning back. This is so real; she meant it, every note, every phrase and she was not going to question herself on any level. You get the sense that it's really her and not a lot of guidance coming from around her." Even as she draws an audience in, there's a distance between Mitchell and her art. "To me there's no getting inside Joni Mitchell's head," Kreviazuk says. "I don't get a sense that you could learn how to do what she does." Born Roberta Joan Anderson in 1943 in Fort Macleod, Alta., and raised in Saskatchewan, Mitchell has bounced between suffering and prosperity throughout her life. At the age of nine she contracted polio and at 20 gave birth to a daughter by an ex-boyfriend from college. She married singer Chuck Mitchell soon after, but the baby was given up for adoption. Her career blossomed and by 1974 she was on charts and touring with the biggest names around. She recorded hits (Big Yellow Taxi, Help Me, Woodstock) and moved into legend, establishing lasting musical ties - and sometimes romantic relationships - with an elite circle including James Taylor, Graham Nash, Neil Young and David Crosby. She would later return to visual art, an early passion, with a critically well-received exposition of 87 original paintings that debuted last year at Saskatoon's Mendel Art Gallery. "There's musicians, there's artists and there's entertainers. Sometimes they cross over," says Feldman, who manages Mitchell from Vancouver with partner Steve Macklam. "There's some talent that is so huge, it's undeniable, it's not going to be held back - it's too good, it's too meaningful, it connects with people too heavily." In 1997 Mitchell's personal life came full circle - she finally regained contact with her long-lost daughter, Kilauren Gibb. The reunion was reported widely as a joyful event but even that turned bittersweet as a custody battle between Gibb and a former boyfriend caused turbulence. In January 2000, police were called to the singer's home during a quarrel involving Mitchell and her daughter. The incident turned up in court records filed by Gibb's ex-boyfriend. But Mitchell has never morbidly trafficked in her own personal woes, nor has she flaunted her huge success. Instead, she has produced art. "In a way, she has talked about all of those personal things in her music, not so it comes across as 'there once was a little girl with polio,' " says Allen MacInnis, artistic director of the Prairie Theatre Exchange in Winnipeg. MacInnis created and directed Joni Mitchell: River, a play based on 28 of Mitchell's songs that runs through the arc of a fictional love affair using only Mitchell's lyrics and music. "She creates for you a way of understanding being isolated and then being pulled back into the world or giving up something in order to have something else," he says. "What her lyrics are about is an incredible specificity and a poetry that in just a few words says everything you need to say, it has such impact. Plus, I think the word is probity, a perfect match very often between music and lyric." In an age where careers are measured in months rather than years, modern musicians see Mitchell as standing for art over image, says Kreviazuk. "The thing about Joni Mitchell is that she brings you back to square. No matter what's going on out there, if I consider her voice, her lyrics, her thing, I can never ever imagine writing anything quite so poignant, so beautiful. She's the real deal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:20:07 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: A Free cover 4U!! This is really a great cut and I enjoyed very much today at work. Thanks for the link Bob. Paz on 2/20/02 10:10 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hey - take a break from your work day and enjoy a soothing Joni cover! This > one is "I Don't Know Where I Stand", one of the loveliest Joni songs ever, > performed by Leora Cashe. > > http://www.leoracashe.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:36:11 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Monopolies (NJC) Randy wrote: > The roots of the problem lie in the dismantling of anti-monopoly > rules which started with Reagan and continue to this day. I hate to > sound like a broken record (skipping CD?), but when big money > owns our "leaders", this is the end result. Actually, both the Nixon and Reagan administrations were criticized for not being more vigilant in investigating antitrust claims based on "conservative" philosophy that "Big Government" should intervene in business affairs as little as possible. By the way, I worked primarily in antitrust law from 1986 - 1992 and never saw any of my cases, at either the federal or state level, being anything less than vigorously prosecuted. During the Clinton admininstration many rules were tightened up so it is not quite the picture to assume that Reagan "dismantled" everything and nothing has changed since his time. In fact, the Federal Telecommunications Act of 1996 gave entities such as Clear Channel the green light to barrel on full steam ahead. Here is the link: http://www.fcc.gov/telecom.html > The foisting of irrelevant pap may be the undoing of the megas, along > with unbridled greed that screws artists, consumers, I agree! >and killed Napster, which, even though a copyright infringer, gave people something they > want- a single source for musical downloads. I still can't agree with the legitimacy of Napster just because it gives people something they want. Myself and a lot of people want a million bucks too but that doesn't mean I have the right to go take it from someone. > People get sick of it and start their own thing. That's how FM radio > (now long co-opted) started. Either that or put up with the current > ever-narrowing corpo-pop. 30-35 years ago people did go out and start their own thing. Where are the people with that same initiative now? I guess if we had the answer, then we'd be getting rich in this market of opportunity - ha! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:41:29 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Gettin Excited! This was the headline of an online newsletter I received at work today - don't think my heart didn't skip a few beats! Miles Of Aisles At The NRA Show Study, sample, sip and savor the hottest items from more than 2,100 exhibitors at the National Restaurant Association Restaurant, HotelMotel Show, May 18 to 21 in Chicago. Hundreds of new products will be introduced to the industry at the show. Get on the fast track to success and register for the show. I'll be there if any Chicago area JMDLers wanna get together! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:02:40 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: His Bobness/Joni trivia NJC << P.S. I love this trivia stuff! >> Knew you did, and I was thinking of "Her Hellness" when I shot out the question! And of course, you are correct-amundo! What do you win? My undying affection! Bob NP: Robert Belfour, "My Baby's Gone" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:39:52 EST From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: new cd? any idea when the orchestral cd and film are coming out? np - Laura Nyro (Map to the Treasure) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:48:41 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Botti NJC I can not remember who mentioned Chris Botti earlier but he is one of my favorites. He reminds me of Bobby Hackett, who played with the Jackie Gleason Orchestra. I began listening to him years ago. Hackett plays a soulful cornet and I wore out my vinyl record Soft Lights In A Mellow Mood and was glad to have it come up on CD last year. It is funny how we get introduced to music because I became familiar with Hackett because he played for Jackie Gleason. The very first album I bought with Hackett was Gleasons..Music For Lovers Only. It continues to be a favorite of mine. There Hackett plays sooooo beautifully. I am trying to find his album 1938-1940. I have looked in several shops but to no avail. I may try online...but I remember loving his interpretation of I Don't Stand A Ghost Of A Chance and Embraceable You. Someone sang on this album...I do not remember who..but she sang..I believe...I Surrender, Dear. Anyway as I remember this...albeit it I listened to it while under the influence of that old hippie weed many years ago...I LOVED listening and dancing to this album even though just now I do not remember any of the other songs. LOL Gee...I got way off the subject of Botti here....but he reminds me of Hackett...whom I think is fabulous. Enough.... Love and Peace....Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:59:30 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: RE: brown sugar njc I just uploaded the mp3 to a myplay locker. http://www.myplay.com/ You can just play it if you don't want to download it. The email address is soulstreet@mail.com and the password is hejira. Go crazy! Brenda n.p.: Elvis Costello - "Complicated Shadows" On 21 Feb 2002 at 15:00, Kate Bennett wrote: > don't make her beg for bootlegs! > > >>>I'd sure like to hear it as well, before I go to Ryans' list to beg for > bootlegs. Hell, I'll do it anyway, ha! rosalita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:23:55 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: brown sugar & Ryan Adams/live review njc On 21 Feb 2002 at 18:30, RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I've been trying to get tix to see Ryan at the Roseland Ballroom in NYC in > March via Ticketmaster and to no avail, yet they don't say the show is sold > out yet. Go figure. Will try for the Philly show that goes on sale Friday > 2/22. I hear he drinks alot on stage. Anyone wants to goze, email me off > list. > By all means, do whatever you can to get a ticket. I saw him at the Troubadour in LA last November. The event was a Rolling Stone party. (BTW - Rolling Stone has been doing quite well the last couple of years in showcasing artists who are "next" before anyone else knows it. When it comes to these events, they actually do what you imagine they should do.) Now most of these kinds of parties are a drag for the artist because it's an industry crowd and people are talking and working the room. And usually the artist will keep the set short to minimize their own pain. Not that night. I had never seen a group of industry people act like excited fans until that evening. People were lined up outside the door for 90 minutes before the show started. They pushed up to the front of the stage. They danced. I thought that it must have been like this the night Elton John had his debut there. (Which is funny because Elton said in an interview that listening to Ryan inspired him to do his latest, "Songs from the West Coast.") And instead of doing the usual 40 minutes of tunes that this type of thing usually requires (including the single and anticipated singles), he played for more than two hours. He had fun. The band was rockin' and he just kept playing until he ran out of ideas. He did some covers - Dylan, Stones (not "Brown Sugar"). He even played tunes the band didn't know - so he did them solo. At one point he called his producer out of the audience to play with him because it was a tune that wasn't rehearsed with the band. He was clearly having fun that night and it showed. And he was CUTE! He had a barrette in his hair, right on top (well, just because). His drummer was really sick with the flu and he literally told him that he loved him a half a dozen times. He's got so much music in him that you just have to be excited for him. He's the real deal. See him now while he's still in small venues. Brenda n.p.: Elvis Costello - "Shallow Grave" (He drinks a lot of beer and chain smokes. ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:48:55 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: CSNY ticket prices/Clear Channel monopoly (NJC) On 21 Feb 2002 at 1:23, Kakki wrote: > How wonderful you worked with CPR! I remember '99 being a particularly good > year of shows for them. I worry about Crosby's health - especially when I > hear that he is going on a long, extensive tour. I don't know how he does > it along with everything else he does. The music must sustain him. > He's a really amazing guy. And one of the smartest people I've ever met. > I'd be > interested to know if there are any answers to the situation, besides > artists going indie and doing it themselves. Even with that, we still have > the problem of the air waves monopoly. As you know, all we really have in > L.A. as alternatives are KCRW and KLON, both dependent on public financial > support. I appreciate KCRW but there are simply not enough hours of music > being played there so I spend most of my time now listening to KLON which > seems at least seems to be 98% (great) music 24/7. I listen to KCRW's online music stream which is all music all the time. It rocks. Won't be long before you can get streams in your car. I > remember reading a few years ago about small local "micro" stations cropping > up but recall they were being scrutinized by the FTC. Low power radio has been under attack by the big broadcasters and unfortunately Sec'y Powell's son ("the digital divide does not exist") who is chairman of the FCC isn't helping matters. For more about LPFM, check this out: http://www.mediaaccess.org/programs/lpfm/index.html How do we get back the > radio stations? Support internet radio. Check out Live365.com sometime. Or Shoutcast. Or Radio Paradise. The diversity that these sites offer is amazing. Support them now because there are movements underway to make them pay more than commercial radio pays in order to broadcast. Which means that most of them will go away. Brenda n.p.: Chill Factor 100/live365.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:44:25 -0600 From: evian Subject: Toller Cranston autobiography Hey Y'all, I am sure this has been posted ages ago, but just in case, here it is. While waiting for my coffee in Starbucks at Chapters yesterday, I glanced at the closest shelves and saw the Toller Cranston autobiography. I looked at the index and saw that there were 5 pages devoted to our Joan. I quickly scanned them, and he goes into detail about the Hejira shoot, and he said something like "Joni Mitchell was the one who taught me how to ride in a limo" or something like that (he recounts some story about meeting her in a limo in Toronto or something). He also talked about going to a party at her house with a bunch of famous people, and mentioned that Nicholson snubbed him, and he said that basically everyone was higher than kites, but of course, being the goody-twoshoes skater, he refused to partake. LOL, well, I know none of this sounds interesting, but there was more, but I couldn't read it because the Starbucks chick was having a breakdown because my coffee was done and she couldn't see me, so I had to run and get my coffee before I sent her into hysterics. I would have bought the book, but he seemed so smarmy I could have puked. On sort of the same note, I saw the other day some new Crosby book that had Joni mentionings within it, but the new JT bio seems like Joni content is sparse (of course, for forty-fucking-seven dollars, I just refused to buy it yet again -- what the hell is up with a $47 book -- wait, maybe it was 42.99 -- anyway, it was over 40, and I was just feeling too cheap). Anyhoooo, just thought I'd share. TGIF y'all (y'all, y'all, y'all, as my cough-syprup drinkin' buddy Liz Taylor would say!), Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:56:47 -0600 From: evian Subject: cleaning cds njc Hey folks, quick question for ya -- what is the best way to clean a cd? I have a hidous tale of woe to tell: A couple of weeks ago, I went to Regina and packed a shitload of my fave cds in a knapsack for the trip. Well, when I got home, I thought "Hey, you always listen to these cds when you travel, so why not put them in the trunk and it will be oh-so-convenient." After patting myself on the back for this wonderful idea, I did just that, and never thought of it again. So, on Tuesday, I am heading for Regina again, and since it is a 4 hour trip, I grab the knapsack out of the trunk and prepare to head out on my merry little way. I get out of town and open the bag up to put some music on, and I think "Gee, it feels a little wet... and a little cold." Then I see it... the hideous pile of twisted metal in the bag -- yes folks, Einstein that I am, I seemed to have not noticed, when I put these cds in the trunk, that there was a can of Diet Coke in the bag as well. Living in Saskatchewan, that means that all it takes is a cold night and the frigging thing will explode -- and explode it did! This can was split wide open and while it didn't look like much had happened to the cds, I noticed that, yes, they were indeed drenched for the most part. So, my RENT cd was one of the wet ones, and since I paid $45 frigging dollars for it, I was choked.... and since I tend to put it on and sing the whole frigging thing when alone in the car for a few hours, I was doubly choked. Then, I had FM's Mystery To Me, Bare Trees, and Penguin in there after Kakki reminded me how much I loved those cds (and I had a huge hankerin' to hear Emerald Eyes on Tuesday too!), along with a bunch of others like Amy Grant's Lead Me On and DJRD and C&S. Most of the others are fine, except the liner notes are shot to shit, but these ones look.... sticky. Is there anything I can use to clean them besides "a dry dust free rag" or whatever the hell they tell you to use? Thanks for listening to me vent, and TGIF again! Evian npimh: "Emerald Eyes (without the Diet Coke)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:19:23 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: Monopolies/Napster (NJC) On 21 Feb 2002 at 18:36, Kakki wrote: In fact, the Federal Telecommunications Act of 1996 > gave entities such as Clear Channel the green light to barrel on full steam > ahead. Here is the link: > > http://www.fcc.gov/telecom.html > That is absolutely right. And the same thing is about to happen with television and cable if Michael Powell has his way. I do think, however, that the problem with the major labels stems as much from the fact that they are run by accountants instead of music people. Making quarterly results in order to meet analyst expectations has taken precedence over making great records. > > I still can't agree with the legitimacy of Napster just because it gives > people something they want. Myself and a lot of people want a million bucks > too but that doesn't mean I have the right to go take it from someone. The overarching problem I have with this argument is that the RIAA strongarmed instead of entering into serious licensing discussions with Napster and other companies like them. Napster could have and should have been legal. Many companies with innovative technologies tried to get licensed and the labels refused to play ball because they didn't control the companies. Musicnet and Pressplay both limped to market early because the RIAA was getting pressure from Congress that perhaps they were indeed engaging in anti-competitive behavior. (Even the judge in the Napster case said as much.) And a lot of the people who are hurt by the major label posturing are independent artists and labels who were fine with sharing music via Napster (many of them now do via Audio Galaxy). They were not given a choice when the service shut down. It's funny because when Napster use was at its height, CD sales were at an all-time high. Napster was nothing more than a sampling service (not unlike radio and tape trading) and instead of harnessing its power, the majors chose to keep their heads in the sand in the name of protecting their CD manufacturing plants and their stranglehold on physical distribution. So now there are many times as many services offering what Napster offered and some doing it better. > 30-35 years ago people did go out and start their own thing. Where are the > people with that same initiative now? They are running labels like Six Degrees, Enjoy, Emperor Norton, Merge, Om and Ubiquity. Their companies are selling records despite the general downturn of the business. And most of them allow their music to be traded because they understand that real music fans are still going to buy records and that trading is great promotion. They allow their music to be streamed. They embrace the new technology because they understand that the next generation of music lovers are all over it and the next great movement in music will come from them. Brenda n.p.: Chill Out (a great downtempo station on Live365.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:31:28 -0600 From: evian Subject: anti-dylaners unite! njc Ashara Sweetest, Count me in on the Dylan thing too. I have his Greatest Hits Volume 1, and while yeah, songwriting is outta this world, I don't particularly really want to be hearing him sing it. As for the, oh say, last 20 years or so, when people rave about him, I try, I really do, but I just don't get it. To be honest, when Soybomb did that little dancing thingy on the Grammy's, that was the best thing to the whole performance. LOL, and frankly, I don't want to get it -- I'm quite happy without him -- I mumble enough myself, thank you! Unless, of course, Bob has some covers, like Charo or Cheryl Ladd doing Dylan. That, I'd like to hear ;) xo Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 08:02:45 +0200 From: "flopit" Subject: outstanding royalties for joni!! interesting site at http://www.performersmoney.ppluk.com it lsts all the artists that are being looked for so that outstanding royalties can be paid. interestingly enough, the list includes one joni mitchell who is owed money iro "at last" ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 04:51:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: cleaning cds njc all right evian, this is all or nothing. but if you are willing to take the risk, you may save the cd's. i have tried it and it has worked on 16 cd's. ***BUT*** DISCLAIMER DISCLAIMER DISCLAIMER cuz i don't want an angry canadian aries on my ass, ok? here it goes: take a cake of regular unscented totally ordinary laundry soap and make some suds in clean lukewarm water. the water will become murky and soapy, but don't make a lot of foam or anything. just lukewarm soapy water. pour enough of this water to fill half a cereal bowl. dip the cd and let it stand for about 3 minutes. then take a ***ULTRA SOFT*** toothbrush -- REPEAT: ULTRA SOFT TOOTHBRUSH, THE KIND SOMEONE WITH BLEEDING GUMS WOULD BUY -- and brush the cd ever so slightly from the center outwards; one gentle stroke, lift, back to the center, gentle stroke, lift, back to the center, stroke and so forth. as you brush, you must rotate the cd, so that each stroke will be like a spoke going from the center to the edge. do you get the picture? now this is important: you should place the brush bristles at an angle, so that the tips of the bristles will push the grime particles outwards. do not rub or brush in any other way than what i've described. after you've completed the whole circumference, rinse gently letting some faucet water run over the cd's surface. pat dry [don't rub]. wait a few minutes and try the cd to see whether it plays well. it really should be all right by now. if there's still any shit left on its surface, repeat the process. but you seldom need to do it. if you don't understand the brushing method, please ask me and i'll try to explain more clearly before you try to clean the cd. i hope this will help. love, wally ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #84 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?