From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #77 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, February 15 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 077 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: cat me if you can njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Happy Valentine's Day [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Love or Money ["hell" ] Re: The Windsors - NJC ["hell" ] Today in History: February 15 [les@jmdl.com] Re: cat me if you can njc [colin ] Re: Was Waylon & van Ronk, now Princess Margaret with JC [colin ] Re: NJC Bob & Bob in Greenville, SC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The Big Ball [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] [Fwd: HURRY...Over 49,000 CDs for $8.99 and FREE Shipping!] [Jerry Notaro] Re: rev vince, Britney, Kylie and Alanis njc [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Toucha toucha toucha touch me - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Toucha toucha toucha touch me - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni and the Flea Market [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Mean spirited (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Flea Market [CoyoteRick@aol.com] NJC Re: Joni and the (global) Flea Market [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Mean spirited (NJC) ["Johnson Victor" ] Re: rev vince, Britney, Kylie and Alanis njc [colin ] Re: cat me if you can njc [Lori in MD ] Happy Valentine's Day Psych... NJC [Steve Polifka ] NJC - advice needed NJC NJC NJC NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: [Fwd: HURRY...Over 49,000 CDs for $8.99 and FREE Shipping!] NJC ["Bre] lego my ego (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: cat me if you can njc ["gene mock" ] Usually/Always njc [FredNow@aol.com] Joni's Valentine Greeting [Lindsay Moon ] Re: misogyny in rap/new email address njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: CSNY touring....(njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: cat me if you can njc [Lori in MD ] Re: CSNY touring....(njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: k.d. lang and big-boned gals (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Happy Valentine's Day Psych... NJC [colin ] cloning NJC [colin ] Re: rev vince, Britney, Kylie and Alanis njc [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: cloning NJC [Lori in MD ] Re:Was Walyon & van Ronk, now Princess Margaret with JC [Gertus@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:06:11 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: cat me if you can njc not a bit of a problem colin.....followed you completely. So basically the patched red creams with holy mackeral intermingled tortie tabby to torby whorls. Ggggggggot cha! Not bad for 3:00Am! Why did I feel like I was reading THE ONION when I read Yahoo's report? So are you saying to little puss is bogus? Something is just not KOSHER? CC is not cloned? She's so cute though.....I vunt her regardless. Bree.. who still is holding out a little hope that it was really Joan NP:Bette midler to MR. carson.....it's quarter to three.. there's nobody....in the joint.... >well, despite the info given the cat in the photo is NOT a calico and >white. It is a tabby and white. It may be a tortoisehell tabby and >white, tho it is not possible to tell from the photo.(Calico is a >pacthed cat and they are female. they are patched with red. cream black >and white. A tortoiseshell is patched red, cream and black tho in >practice these colours are often intermingled. So a tortie tabby(or >Torby) is patched with those colours but the black is in the form of the >usual tabby stripes or spots or whorls depending on wheter the tabby is >mackeral, spotted, or classic . It is a sex linked characteristic, >with these colurs being female. The very rare male in this colour is >sterile. You would get this colour by breeding a red to a black or a >red/white to a black/white. The only way to have a red or red and white >female kitten is when both parents are red or the father is red and >mopthet tortie or calico. >just thought you'd like to know that! > >jan gyn wrote: > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020214/ts/science_clone_dc_1.html > >-- >bw >colin >DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, >Passap 6000, Duo80. > >colin@tantra-apso.com >http://www.tantra-apso.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:32:18 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Happy Valentine's Day Dear Joan, We love all your music and can't wait for your next album, which of *course* we will buy for ourselves and all our friends. We're also eagerly awaiting the publication of your art and biography books. As far as we're concerned, we can't get enough of you! Hope to hear from you again someday. Love, Marian Vienna P.S. Be sure and get yourself some pinball games to go with your new computer. + + + + + + + on 2/14/02 12:00 PM, Joni Mitchell at joni_mitchell2002@yahoo.com wrote: > Happy Valentine's Day. Thanks to all for sticking > with me. Hope you buy and like the new one. > > Love, > Joan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:58:27 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Love or Money Dave wrote: > From one of the articles posted on the journal to read, from 1975: > > "Two new songs struggle to complete the set. "Jericho" seems an > unfinished outtake from Court and Spark while "Love or Money" is nice, > somewhat plain and a little too busy as words set to music, although the > printed lyrics make for excellent, feeling poetry. Part of the trouble with > these two is that they don't sound right put to melody". > > I have to say, listening to Miles of Aisles recently a lot, that Love > or Money is far and away my favorite song on the whole album. An A+ . I had to laugh at this quote - Love or Money a "little too busy"? Has the reporter heard The Last Time I Saw Richard? Now there's a song with too many words for the notes! The funny thing is, it works - brilliantly, and so does Love Or Money. I agree, it's one of the highlights of MOA for me - I wish she'd put it on an album, I'd love to hear a studio version of this song. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:14:57 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The Windsors - NJC Bob wrote: > We do agree on the subject of royalty though, Colin. Just the thought of it > makes my American skin crawl and my Irish blood boil! One of my favorite > media moments with Queen Elizabeth was when she visited Washington about a > decade ago and an American woman was so thrilled to meet her, she gave the > Queen a great big hug! (And no, it wasn't Ashara!) The American media > reported that the incident had become a big issue back in England because *no > one* touches the Queen. I remember thinking, "Well, maybe that's true in your > castle, honey, but anything goes here in the good old U S of A!" That's nothing to the furore that happened in Australia when the Prime Minister (was it Paul Keating?) put his hand briefly on the Queen's back to guide her - the horror! The newspapers had a field day on that one! But then Australia was in a big debate about becoming a Republic at that stage, so I think it was just another "stab in the back" as far as the Poms were concerned (no pun intended - I don't "think" Keating was holding anything sharp at the time). Personally I'm not a big fan of the Royal Family. The ones who really do make a difference (like Princess Anne) get very little credit, and the "stars" like Diana get the limelight. I was watching a British documentary tonight about something else, but one journalist interviewed made the point that it's not difficult to devote several hours a day to charities, when you've got a full-time staff of minions: nannies for the children, chefs, waiters, cleaning staff, hair stylists, beauticians, secretaries, personal assistants, etc., etc., etc. What else are you going to do all day?! And I agree with Colin - the Queen Mother is not as nice as she's made out to be, it's just that she's outlived everyone that can remember anything bad she's done! Hell - no flames from Mother England to the "cast-offs" down in the "colonies" please! My ancestors were NOT convicts (at least they never got caught) ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 03:04:07 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 15 On February 15 in Joni Mitchell History: 1966: Today, Chuck and Joni Mitchell began a week-long nightly performance engagement at the Chess Mate in Detroit. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:33:14 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: cat me if you can njc > So are you saying to little > puss is bogus? no just that they got her colouring wrong! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:44:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Was Waylon & van Ronk, now Princess Margaret with JC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Colin writes: > > << As for allegedly saying 'the Irish are pigs', well we were all brought up > to think that so it is hardly earthshattering even if she did say it. >> > > I don't know if you're serious, kidding, exaggerating, or just being > provocative, Colin! I was being serious. I don't know why you'd be surprised about that considering the emnity between the two countries for hundreds of years! > > > I first visited Great Britain when was a teenager in 1971, during the height > of The Troubles with Northern Ireland and the IRA. With my quintessentially > Irish surname, I expected to be badly treated. That never happened. The > British people I met couldn't have been nicer, and that has been my > experience ever since. In fact, I can't remember any British person I've ever > met even bringing up the fact that I am Irish American. (Maybe they were all > calling me a Harp Yank bastard behind my back, but I doubt it.) You would have been a yank in their eyes and to their ears so the Irish surname wouldn't have come into it. Juts in case you get the wrong idea, i don't think the Irish are pigs! However, many English do and many Irish think the same about the English. Stupid but true. Actually the English are not popular. the Scots dislike them and so do the Welsh. the English dislike everybody because anyone who is not English is beneath them-especially Americans! Common, loud, and uncouth. I woncer what it means to have couth? > > > . > It caused a little bit of an uproar on the list, someone contacted Judy to > find out if it was true and she sent this person (I don't remember who it > was) a denial which he or she then posted to the list. It was me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:03:05 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Valentine's Day In a message dated 2/15/02 12:33:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > on 2/14/02 12:00 PM, Joni Mitchell at joni_mitchell2002@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Happy Valentine's Day. Thanks to all for sticking > > with me. Hope you buy and like the new one. > > > > Love, > > Joan > Joni, you have good friends here ;0) rose in nj NP:Stevie Wonder's Always ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:47:28 -0000 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Princess Margaret and the Irish NJC Colin wrote: >>Juts in case you get the wrong idea, i don't think the Irish are pigs! However, >>many English do and many Irish think the same about the English. Stupid but true. >>Actually the English are not popular. the Scots dislike them and so do the Welsh. >>the English dislike everybody because anyone who is not English is beneath >>them-especially Americans! Common, loud, and uncouth. I woncer what it means to >>have couth? Just have to disagree here and say that although there are obviously tensions between the countries, I think this is a bit extreme. The political stance between the countries is far from good, which goes without saying, but what you are saying here is about the English people, which is a completely different matter. If we are going to generalise, then the popularity of Irish acts in the UK charts, Irish TV presenters, and Irish people winning and coming second in the two Big Brothers, would suggest that the British/English public are actually quite keen on the Irish. Apart from anything else, most 'English' people have plenty of Irish, Scottish and Welsh in their bloods. Although I'm sure there are individual English people who hate the Irish, I guess I'm really disagreeing with your earlier comment that 'we were all brought up to think that ('the Irish are pigs')'. I really don't understand that, but I guess we just had very different upbringings. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:02:24 +0000 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Toucha toucha toucha touch me Bob wrote... The American media reported that the incident had become a big issue back in England because *no one* touches the Queen. I remember thinking, "Well, maybe that's true in your castle, honey, but anything goes here in the good old U S of A!" - --Bob Oh c'mon Bob, are you saying that in America you are all touchy Queens? Surely not! Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:08:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Bob & Bob in Greenville, SC Hey Jimbo, Always a pleasure to hear from ya'! I had read (either here or somewhere) about that Betts appearance, those moments are always SO cool. Yeah, our crowd went nuts when he started into "Rainy Day Women", especially when he sings 'everybody must get stoned'...and things also reached a high pitch when he did "Like A Rolling Stone" and when he'd sing "how does it feel" the lights turned out on the audience. It was pretty electrifying. Speaking of lighting, I have to extend kudos to the lighting for this show. Nothing showy or flashy (and not all the smoke that was gagging me in Atlanta), and some songs they created interesting shodows on the back screen. Evocative blue lighting for "Tangled Up In Blue", which he performed in third person as opposed to second person, and started off with a riff that recalled our Doobies "Listen To The Music". Anyway, I'm still reeling with the good vibe, which I expect will carry forward when I party tonight with Victor, Cindy & company in Athens... Bob NP: Seven Mary Three, "Cumbersome" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:34:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Big Ball Deb Messling, You had asked earlier about this record. It actaully features BYT instead of "Chelsea Morning" that I had guessed. 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Her lyrics are sloppy, they don't fit into any meter, and they don't rhyme. Maybe that's the point? I always want to 'fix' her songs. On the other hand, she did a brilliant job on "The Prayer Cycle." lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:40:48 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Toucha toucha toucha touch me - NJC In a message dated 2/15/02 8:09:52 AM, gordon.mackie@strath.ac.uk writes: << Oh c'mon Bob, are you saying that in America you are all touchy Queens? Surely not! >> No, what I am saying is that our queens get touched! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:46:19 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Toucha toucha toucha touch me - NJC > No, what I am saying is that our queens get touched! > > --Bob > Some might say our queens *are* touched. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:01:35 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Joni and the Flea Market Do you all remember when the TNT special "An All Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell" was first aired and several of us wrote to TNT asking if they would release it on video or DVD? At least to me, they said "no." Well, forgive me if this has posted before, but they did release a video. Kinda. It's one of those that went out to members of the Emmy organization, with "For Your Emmy Consideration" emblazoned (in gold) on the box in five places. It's real cool looking. The Academy Awards people do the same thing - -- pre-releasing videos of movies to members only, not to be shared or duplicated (right, like I haven't been give boots!). Anywho, it's an original videotape with Joni's Tribute and the Bob Marley Tribute on the same tape. They share cover space. The cover is the same as the poster or postcards that were floating around. Brad gave this to me last night as part of my Valentine's Day gift. He and his friend Carlos found it at the Fairfax High School flea market. Sealed (with gold tape holding it in place in the box, as it will remain). The guy selling it wanted $2. When Brad protested the price, as he always does, the guy reduced it to $1! He thought I already had a copy, but thought I would like one sealed. Well, I had palpitations, knowing it was probably pretty rare (but there are thousands of members). Most of these just get tossed, or so some of my pals who receive these kinds of things tell me. So, has anyone seen or have one of these? How much can I get for it on eBay? (kidding!) It was a Happy Valentine's Day for me. Oh, ya, and the club shirt that was to be my "real gift" was cool as well. Wait till you see this one, Clark! Faux poodle fur on the collar! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:48:44 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Mean spirited (NJC) Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: << Much too young to leave us. Princess Margaret , too. >> >I don't think I'll be getting too upset over the death of a pampered, shallow >woman who allegedly said, "The Irish are pigs." Thanks for passing on those "alleged" remarks, Bob. >...Good riddance, Ma'am! That's one of the meanest spirited things I've read on this list. I trust that you have led an unblemished life, and that people will only have kind things to say about you when you leave it. Pfffffffft! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:49:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Flea Market <> Ummmm, does it look something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1514790533 They actually are fairly common on E-Bay. Brad scored you quite a deal! Talked the guy down from $2?!? LOL! Bob NP: Jethro Tull, "Aqualung" Congresgebouw/The Hague, 3/16/80 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:03:24 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mean spirited (NJC) In a message dated 2/15/02 10:49:08 AM, steve@psitech.com writes: << I trust that you have led an unblemished life, and that people will only have kind things to say about you when you leave it. >> Unblemished? Me? Ha! But I don't go around calling whole groups of people hurtful names based on their ethnicity. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:07:41 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Flea Market Oh well, so much for being excited about this rare find! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:14:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni and the (global) Flea Market <> No, no...be excited!! I didn't mean to rain on the parade. As for boots on E-Bay, they're inconsistent on how they deal with them and plus I think there's just too damn many of them for E-Bay to keep up. I've put a couple of LP's up, so far only one has been pulled. My guess is that unless somebody brings it to their attention they let it ride. After all, that's how they make money! Bob NP: Jethro Tull, "Heavy Horses" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:13:33 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: RE: Mean spirited (NJC) > That's one of the meanest spirited things I've read on this list. > I trust that you have led an unblemished life, and that people > will only have kind things to say about you when you leave it. > > Pfffffffft! I can't speak for Bob but I feel that on this list people should be able to be honest and express what they feel without worrying that they're going to offend anyone. I listen to the Neal Boortz show daily in Athens and I used to not really like him because he can come across as very callous sometimes but for some reason I've come to respect him very much. I can't really explain it but I do. He was saying one day that people are way too easily offended these days and I agree with him. I've come to realize that he's just doing a radio show and his job is to provide entertainment and if he worried before everything he said that he was going to offend someone he probably wouldn't be able to do his show. To me, this list is kind of like a diary only everybody is able to read what it written. I've met Bob a couple of times and I know he's not a mean person...you know when someone's a public figure like Princess Margaret, they're going to be up to scrutiny...it's unavoidable. I don't think Bob has ever met her before (I could be wrong) but I don't he's obligated to feel sorry for her. There's a lawyer in California who sued one of his peers because when Jerry Garcia died, his friend made jokes about him knowing he was a self proclaimed deadhead and it caused him "mental anguish." I love Jerry Garcia too but I think that's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Neal Boortz made some jokes about deadheads the other day and I wasn't offended...I thought they were kind of funny. Everybody's going to say something that's going to offend someone. Ease up on ol' Bob. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:28:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: rev vince, Britney, Kylie and Alanis njc > Britney's > "Oops....", > I do too. I don't like the video tho. It mazes me that the sexualising of children still passes by with no comment. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:38:16 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Princess Margaret and the Irish NJC > Although I'm sure there are individual English people who hate the Irish, I > guess I'm really disagreeing with your earlier comment that 'we were all > brought up to think that ('the Irish are pigs')'. I really don't understand > that, but I guess we just had very different upbringings. yes you are right. different backgrounds. I was an Army child which I think would account for it. I also lived for 20 years in a deprived area and the attitude was common. As for the com ents about the English being disliked by Weslh, Scots and Irish and the English disliking evryone, of course it is a genralisisation but one with truth in it. Obviously if it applied to ALL of these people, well we'd be at war wouldn't we? > > > Rob - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:48:31 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: cat me if you can njc Cloning is a weird thing ... I consider myself to be a rather liberal thinker (and am even reconsidering my support of capital punishment), but cloning ... it's just so dangerous. I think it should be banned worldwide. With the possible exception of a Joni Cloni. : ) Lori in MD NPimh: the movie "The Boys from Brazil" ~ Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:51:04 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Happy Valentine's Day Psych... NJC Dear Joan, Thanks for the message, it was sweet. Drop in more often. You know, you can always hang out with the boys here, since there are plenty of them. ;-) We could dish about boyfriends- About Murphy and Jimmy and Michael Paz. And all those darn bootlegs that Bob Muller has... Talk to me Any old time you choose Just talk to me, Siquomb Mystery... I'll listen! Hope your VD went well. Mine was uneventful, 'cept for your message. And get back to the piano huh? I need a few more lessons! Girlfriend, you rock! Steve on the Third Coast... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:03:41 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: cat me if you can njc >Catherine McKay wrote: > >Why, of all the creatures on earth, would they choose > >to clone a CAT? Those things reproduce just fine on > >their own, thank you very much - they don't need any > >help from science! > >I dunno- that cat's kinda cute! Better that than, say, Cat Stevens or >something. >-jan I agree with this Jan, how many more celebs do we need converting to Buddism? Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:19:02 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: NJC - advice needed NJC NJC NJC NJC This list is a wealth of good advice and I'm back to the till to ask for another slew of opinions. I would be particularly grateful to hear from list members who are gay or bi about dealing with their feelings as teenagers. In brief, I have a 16 year old "almost step" daughter who has "n'exuality" (ie not sure about it), issues. She's confiding in me and I'd like some direction. Email me off list and I"ll give you the scope. Thanks again, MG PS for the NYC/NJ area people I missed up, Mom kept me in Vermont longer than I expected and I was left with less "free" time. I'll be trying again in a few months. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:28:56 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: [Fwd: HURRY...Over 49,000 CDs for $8.99 and FREE Shipping!] NJC >Stock up time. > >Jerry & FREE Shipping! >We have over 49,000 CDs on sale for only $8.99. WOW!! I'm no mathematician,but isn't that a savings of $686.000. (figuring each cd would cost about $14) Never again I would have to worry about buying another single gift in my lifetime!! B-days. Jonifests.........everybody and I do mean everybody.. will get a cd,maybe two! Bree Nw:Jonifest videos,Victor.. Angel (very,very nice Victor) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:41:35 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: lego my ego (njc) http://drew.corrupt.net/lp/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:38:22 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: cat me if you can njc hi lori, how do you ban an idea? we can't control nuclear weapons, drugs, and other weapons of mass destruction. someone once said, "the wheel wasn't the most important invention of mankind, it's person who found how to use the wheel." the technology for cloning is here, bring it out into the open so we can control it. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori in MD" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Re: cat me if you can njc > Cloning is a weird thing ... I consider myself to be a rather liberal thinker (and am even reconsidering my support of capital punishment), but cloning ... it's just so dangerous. I think it should be banned worldwide. > > With the possible exception of a Joni Cloni. : ) > > Lori > in MD > > NPimh: the movie "The Boys from Brazil" > ~ > Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:59:43 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Usually/Always njc wrote: >Joseph >np: Fred Simon "Usually/Always" Well, thank you kindly. I hope you're enjoying. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:43:10 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni's Valentine Greeting Alright, I admit I went for Joni's Valentine greeting to the list for a second. But then thought having listenened to her talk quite a lot (transcribing interviews), she's never made such a short statement in her life! "I'm always squawking!" Ha ha. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:59:07 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: misogyny in rap/new email address njc >Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > Why my sister allows them to listen to this garbage > > is beyond me!!?? The boys know when they come to my house and when they > > want to listen to something on my equipment,rap is forbidden. Hi Brenda, Maybe I did throw the baby out with the bath water? But these nephews of mine only listen to the passe stuff,at least that is what is blaring when I visit. So they are the ones behind the times and I'm not as uncool and unhip as they think I am. ;-) Gawd I love them,but I do have the urge sometimes... just want to pull down those baggy britches and spank em', as I did when they were little. >It's not all socially critical either. Some of it is just plain >fun, party music. And some of it is better for a young girl's self esteem >than "... Baby, >One More Time." Well,anybody that knows me, I'm all about fun. (and to many people a little too silly) >If you're ever willing to be open and listen to some things let me know. >Hell, you might >even like it! And you would be cool to them again if you were pumping the >latest >Blackalicious, De La Soul or Bahamadia cut the next time they came over! ; >) You comin to the fest Brenda? If you are, you can play a selection and hell,I might even get up and dance. :-) Take care, Bree > >Brenda >n.p.: Spirit Nation - "All My Relations" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:22:32 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: CSNY touring....(njc) In a message dated 2/14/02 9:08:07 PM, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: << I have heard of 200+ tickets + the sur charge thingys>> Holy crap! <> Yes, and shocking, too! Seriously, why is it so high? Does it need to be *that* high to cover the cost of touring (which Joni has complained about)? What do the (gag) Brittney Spears-type, can-fill-a-superbowl-sized-venue performers charge nowadays? It's gotta be less than that! Amazed, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:28:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: I LOVE NYC njc We had such a great time in NYC. We were really really really touched & excited at the wonderful turnout for our show at the Living Room. It was a pleasure to get the chance to meet Debra & Linda & to see Rose, Gregg & Kay again. I just didn't get enough time hanging with everyone but am excited to know I will be seeing everyone again in August where there will be much more hang time! Thank You Thank You to all of you JMDLers who came out on a cold NYC weeknight from places near & far to support us! Words cannot express how grateful I am to each of you for making that effort! In addition, one of my old high school friends showed up who I hadn't seen or talked to since we graduated, several friends who used to live in CA but who I hadn't seen in decades, all of my 3 cousins who live in NJ, one of whom I hadn't seen since we were kids....& a bunch of Jeff's colleagues from Toy Fair who bailed on a big party to come down & see us! I stepped out for a bit to visit with my cousins & unfortunately didn't get back right away to be able to say bye to everyone....afterwards Rose, Jeff & I went next door & had some great NYC pizza & got a chance to visit which was a real treat! Someone shot off some firecrackers (Chinese New Year) which for a few seconds had us all frozen in fear (sounded like gunshots) as this was the day that the media had warned about more terrorist activites Monday night, Jeff & I went over to Judy's Chelsea & as we walked in were thrilled to see David Lahm at the keyboards! He had a friend singing with him & he also played a bunch of solo tunes including a beautiful version of The Gallery. His club is georgous & I am soooo thrilled we had the chance to meet & hear David! We had a fun time chatting with him in between songs...he is such a warm & gracious man. And talented! Wednesday night we ended up in the West Village & decided to see Love Janice. We really enjoyed it & the band & performers were excellent. Can't say they really were able to capture the personality of Janice all that well but there were touches they were able to imitate... especially the actress that played the speaking role...she had Janis's cackle laugh down really well. The vocalist was a great singer but didn't really have a voice like Janice nor did she really have the laconic way of acting (nor did the speaking Janis who was a little too hyper in her movements & speaking). But it was a wonderful play if you don't expect someone to BE Janice because all of the words were actually written or spoken by Janis. The musical director was also a member of Big Brother & The Holding Company. I definately recommend seeing this play...its in a small intimate theatre & the music was fabulous. I know there was talk of this play recently on the list...can't remember if anyone else had seen it? Did a lot of walking, window shopping & some real shopping (there goes that tip jar money!)& followed my usual desire to visit the sacred sites of the area which in this case included St Patrick's Cathedral & Strawberry Fields which is a space in Central Park dedicated to John Lennon (its right across the street from the Dakota where he lived)...there is a mosaic in the center with Imagine written on it. Benches all around & a tear shaped lawn area with rocks & trees. Very beautiful. We also went down to the viewing platform overlooking the WTC which is now a huge hole in the ground & at one end there is a gigantic American Flag on one of the tall buildings that looked damaged but is still standing. Very daunting site & truthfully it is very hard for me to even imagine what it must have been like to actually have been down there or near there on 9/11. Lots of security in many places we went in NYC but everyone was warm & kind. The theme song playing in my head the entire trip was Ryan Adams New York New York...much to my delight on my last day as I was in a store, they played it over the PA! So I sang along as I walked around the store! Looking forward to seeing Steve Dulson & playing at his Living Traditions Concert tomorrow in Anaheim. Hope I get to see some JMDLers! Love, Kate ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:44:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: CSNY touring....(njc) <> Probably because people will pay it! I can't imagine that CSNY's shows cost much compared to the shows that travel with huge effect & light shows. But I speak from ignorance as I've never seen them live. <> What? Joni *complain* about the music business!? ;~) I don't think it needs to be that high. Dylan tickets here went for $30 (General admission) & $39.50 (reserved). What Joni should do is scale down her venues, and play the same concert halls that Jackson played on his last tour. Better acoustics and a more intimate space. She'd have a better time, and so would the audience. Bob NP: Dylan, "Sugar Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:50:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: cat me if you can njc gene wrote: > hi lori, how do you ban an idea? we can't control nuclear weapons, > drugs, and other weapons of mass destruction. > the technology for cloning is here, bring it out into the open > so we can control it. Good points, Gene. I admit that my reaction has been a "gut" one (as are many others). It's sadly true that someone will clone, whether it's legal and regulated, or not. But since we've failed so miserably at controlling the other products you've listed, how will we control cloning? I strongly support reproductive choice, yet I find myself uncomfortable about stem cell research when it poses the possibility that embryos will be created simply to harvest stem cells. Similarly, I don't want to see cloning used for "curing" anything, let alone for much else. Mother Earth is not going to be able to support the human population if people live longer than Nature intended. And the fact that only the relatively wealthy will be able to afford these "cures" ... well, that smacks of a certain kind genocide to me. Wait a minute ... "Gene Mock?" Is that your real name, or have you just been waiting for this topic to surface on the JMDL? ; ) Lori ~ Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:14:37 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: CSNY touring....(njc) >Actually, Paz, I don't go to concerts anymore -- I'm *real* tall (6'6"), >and >neuropathic to boot, so I can't sit still or in one position for long >enough >-- except for Joni -- I'd sit on tacks in a kindergarten desk chair for >her. LOl!! Yes,I just think any of us would go to about any lengths to attend a Joni concert. WOW!! You are tall. Now I get the name:BIG WALTIN....... I'm "A BIG BONE GAL" (kd's song) at 5'10. Bree >Walt _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:22:34 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: k.d. lang and big-boned gals (njc) In a message dated 2/15/02 12:14:30 PM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: << "A BIG BONE GAL" (kd's song) at 5'10. >> I *love* that song!! The whole Abs. T&T album, in fact -- and I'm not much of a country fan. I'm not sure that album was really country in any real sense, any more than Joni's music has been "folk" for a long time. You *are* a pretty big-boned gal -- I've got a sister who's just a shade taller than you, and all the guys she dates are either my size or taller, or little guys who don't care if she's bigger -- or even like it that way. :-) fondly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:56:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Happy Valentine's Day Psych... NJC > Hope your VD went well. pardon? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:03:15 +0000 From: colin Subject: cloning NJC i agree with both Gene and Lori. Cloning of pets won't work. They will not have the same personality. as with people, their experiences will differ so their personalities will differ. So you might have an animal/person that looks the same but behaves differently. There is no way you will be ablt to re create any person or animal like a pet. Even from the pov of a showdog/cat that is a great sire/dam. If you clone and clone and clone that same animal can be used to sire or mother for many many many more years. BUT it won't get you anwhere. you won't evolve/imporve;you'll stay in arut. Not to mention the faults that come with cloning. I think scientists and people would do far better working on the acceptence of death instead of the running from it that we all do. So much is done in the name of healing that is harmful and causes more pain and grief. Death is natural and will happen to all of us at some point. Life it self wuld be lived much better if we accept that fact and stopped denying it and trying to run from it. A life lived in denial and on the run is not a life well lived. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:35:10 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: rev vince, Britney, Kylie and Alanis njc I've never seen the video, but I suspect I wouldn't like it. And, is it me, or does she look like she could be Debbie Gibson's daughter? (Don't ask me how I know who Debbie Gibson is/was... I have no idea.) I recently saw a program about marketing to teens (and pre-teens). It was horrifying. All those rappers and hip hop artists that kids think are such rebels are more puppets to a corporation than their parents who are accountants and secretaries. At least the working stiffs get to go home and have their own life and their own personalilties! And kid culture is bought and sold (like ours is too...). lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:07:13 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: cloning NJC Colin wrote: > Cloning of pets won't work. They will not have the same personality. as > with people, their experiences will differ so their personalities will > differ. So you might have an animal/person that looks the same but > behaves differently. There is no way you will be ablt to re create any > person or animal like a pet. So true, Colin. Who remembers the movie "The Boys from Brazil?" From All Movie Guide This fast-paced thriller, adapted from a novel by Ira Levin, centers on a battle of wits between the "Angel of Death," Nazi-war-criminal Josef Mengele (Gregory Peck) and his pursuer Ezra Lieberman (Laurence Olivier), a character loosely based on real-life Nazi-hunter Simon Wiesenthal. In this far-fetched drama, Ezra must foil Mengele's plot to clone Hitler to produce hundreds of genetically identical young men, and have them raised in environments similar to that of the young Hitler in an attempt to produce a new Fuhrer. The Boys From Brazil is fast and slick and fun, marred only by a preposterous finale. The cast is excellent and gives excellent performances, especially Peck and Olivier who act their rather one-dimensional, melodramatic characters with great relish and energy. The film is compelling, if somewhat far-fetched in its elaborate and highly implausible elaborate plot complications. Linda Rasmussen > A life lived in denial and on the run is not a life well lived. Bravo! Lori in MD ~ Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:12:17 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re:Was Walyon & van Ronk, now Princess Margaret with JC In a message dated 15/02/02 08:03:55 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Subject: Was Waylon & van Ronk, now Princess Margaret with JC > > Colin writes: > > << As for allegedly saying 'the Irish are pigs', well we were all brought up > > to think that so it is hardly earthshattering even if she did say it. >> > > I don't know if you're serious, kidding, exaggerating, or just being > provocative, Colin! > > I first visited Great Britain when was a teenager in 1971, during the height > > of The Troubles with Northern Ireland and the IRA. With my quintessentially > > Irish surname, I expected to be badly treated. That never happened. The > British people I met couldn't have been nicer, and that has been my > experience ever since. In fact, I can't remember any British person I've > ever > met even bringing up the fact that I am Irish American. (Maybe they were all > > calling me a Harp Yank bastard behind my back, but I doubt it.) > > Colin also said: > > << However, don't believe everything you read in the papers! Princess > Margeret did not insist on being called ma'am by her friends. Nor was she > shallow. She did much for charity, especially she did much for the abused > children of this country. >> > > You've got a point there, Colin, because that's a lesson I never seem to > learn. I'm with Colin on this - i.e. not a royalist but:- Our local paper carries a story today, of when Margaret visited the local Barnado's home (for orphans). A boy showed her a guitar he had made and she showed great interest and picked out a tune on it. She had some talent as a musician, especially as a pianist, and entertained many. The story I like best about her, however, involves the Incredible String Band. According to Robin Williamson, who I am going to see next Friday, by coincidence, the Princess spent some time with this eccentric band and he remembers her rendition of the Monty Python song "I've got a ferret sticking up my nose" on piano quite vividly. The Royal Family cannot be all bad! The funeral was today and a number of well known musicians who were friends attended. Jacky ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #77 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?