From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #68 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 068 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: baked bean addict NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Mac with Crosby njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: idiom? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] back-ups NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The Wolf that lives in Lindsey. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Graham Nash's Birthday bash sjc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Janis at Monterey NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Graham Nash's Birthday bash sjc ["Kakki" ] Re: idiom? njc [colin ] Re: baked bean addict NJC [colin ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #57 [Humphreys ] Re: accents NJC [dsk ] Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) [Michael Paz ] Gregg! Gregg! Gregg! NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Old farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) [The New Guy ] Re: Old farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:16:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: baked bean addict NJC i've heard this one so many times, and it always makes me laugh so hard. what's with fart jokes that makes them so funny? wally, sense of humor at KG level - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Sabado, 09 de Febrero de 2002 08:55 p.m. Para: joni Asunto: baked bean addict NJC A man has a an addiction to baked beans but is in denial about it and will not seek help. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:19:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Mac with Crosby njc thanks kakki!!!! wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kakki Enviado el: Sabado, 09 de Febrero de 2002 08:41 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; Phyliss Ward CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Mac with Crosby O.K. I just read the CSN list digest and the man in the pic is Mac Holbert, Nash's long time partner in his fine art photography business. I think our Leslie Mixon is acquainted with Mac (think he used to live near her in Santa Cruz - Leslie please check in if you are out there). Kakki (I kept this Joni content cuz she's in the photo - ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:25:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: idiom? njc thank you so much, colin!!!!!! here's the dictionary definition of a glottal stop: ''the interruption of the breath stream during speech by closure of the glottis'' say, ''i've got two'' or ''kitten'' quickly, without thinking. the glottal stops occur when you release the air to pronounce the t sounds in ''goT'' and ''kiTTen''. although maybe you don't have a stop in ''kitten''. and i was kidding when i said that your english is not posh. you do sound very distinguished to me. what's more important, you sound friendly and adorable. love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 21:29:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: back-ups NJC is there any site on the internet where one can upload one's files to save as back-ups? my floppy disk drive and my cd burner have had it and i fear disaster. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:33:24 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Wolf that lives in Lindsey. OK, so this thread has maybe died out, but I wanted to chime in as well. I greatly enjoyed everything that everyone had to say. This is certainly not the easiest Joni song to talk about... I have to preface by saying that I came to the whole Mingus record much later. I was one who jumped ship with Mingus...but not for long as S&L brought me right back! :~) So I've only had the record for 10 years or so. And sometimes, that's not enough time to absorb all that Joni can lay out there. Anyway, on to Lindsey. I think that one of the themes in the song (if not THE theme) is the privilege of the wealthy. Before we are even formally introduced to Lindsey by name, we are told that "His grandpa loved an empire" which indicates to me that he was an entrpreneur of kinds, like William Randolph Hearst or something, with a publishing "empire". So now we come to third generation, who has always had great access to wealth. A spoiled rich kid, if you will. There could even be ties to organized crime, as it mentions that 'his sister loved a thief'. It could be a crime family she's writing about...certainly an empire, and 'loved' like family. We hear then what is the key verse of the song next, where Joni writes of the cops yanking up the hookers and small-time punks & drunks. Lindsey, meanwhile, 'gets away with murder'...Joni then goes on to say: "If you're smart or rich or lucky, Maybe you'll beat the laws of man But the inner laws of spirit And the outer laws of nature No man can" So Lindsey is most likely a cocaine dealer, and he has the resources available to escape being caught. But he won't forever, he'll be betrayed and suffer eventually. The darkness is his mind & heart will consume him over time. Certainly not her most uplifting piece! ;~) Bob NP: Linda Perhacs, "Delicious" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:37:18 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Graham Nash's Birthday bash sjc Thanks for the link to the fotos Kakki ;~) I have one question though, everyone seems to be pretty in pink, including our Joni. What do you think the Theme of his party was? rj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:28:31 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Janis at Monterey NJC Vince wrote: > I have been told that in real life Janis was very tiny. She comes across so powerfully when she sang that I can't imagine her as being as short as she evidently was,. In the photos from the boxset book, she is tiny, tiny, tiny and looks like a little sprite. > I know it has been discussed here before but I recall that was actually the second time she sang Ball and Chain at Monterey >- the first time was not recorded and they had her do it again for the sake of the documentary. The reaction shot of Mama >Cass going "wow" is indelible as Janis' performance. Can anyone verify or correct my recollection that Janis sang twice at > Monterey? Here's the story from Henry Diltz in the book - "I remember their management didn't want their set recorded or filmed for the TV special or the movie, but he was somehow convinced, because they came back on Sunday night and played a second set which was filmed. The Group With No Name came on next - that was the new group put together by my friend [and fellow ex-Modern Folk Quartet member] Cyrus Faryar. I'm probably one of the few who even remembered they performed-everybody was still completely blown away by Janis." Grace Slick: "I remember Cass Elliot in the audience looking at Janis. It was just wonderful. She was going "Whoa! AMAZING!" Kakki NP: Janis and BB - Monterey Pop - Ball and Chain ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:38:01 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Graham Nash's Birthday bash sjc Rose, I was wondering, too, and thought maybe because that shade of pink goes so well with the decor of the Madonna Inn - haha ;-) I'll keep my eye on the CSN list and see if the theme is revealed there. Kakki NP: Association at Monterey Pop - Along Came Mary (sounding quite psychedelic) > I have one question though, everyone seems to be pretty in pink, including > our Joni. What do you think the Theme of his party was? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:40:10 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: idiom? njc > say, ''i've got two'' or ''kitten'' quickly, without thinking. the glottal > stops occur when you release the air to pronounce the t sounds in ''goT'' > and ''kiTTen''. although maybe you don't have a stop in ''kitten''. I don't get it. Is this something to do with prouncing t's? I don't pronounce my t's the Anerican way-i.e i don't leave them out. > > and i was kidding when i said that your english is not posh. oh but it isn't posh. at least not to me. my friend, who is a grand niece of Virginia Wolfe, nowshe does sound posh and a lovely person with it too. Upper class and not a snob. > you sound friendly and > adorable. I'll accept that! > > love, > wally - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:42:40 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: baked bean addict NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > i've heard this one so many times, and it always makes me laugh so hard. > what's with fart jokes that makes them so funny? > wally, sense of humor at KG level > I first heard this jokne 27 years ago. I recall exactly where I was-on the college librabry and we wre thrown out cos I couldn't stop stop laughing. It isn't so much the farting that makes me laugh but the embarrassment of it. The situation is very embarassing and it just cracks me up everytime. i was laughing like a school boy as I wrote it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:00:44 -0700 From: Humphreys Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #57 For any of you who are interested in English folk music, Kate Rusby is a must see. She is playing in the area, I think at the Birchmere sometime this spring. Check it out if you get the chance. Very haunting and beautiful. Suzanne > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 07:14:12 -0800 (PST) > From: Lori in MD > Subject: (NJC) Speaking of Jonatha Brooke ... > > J'Bro will be performing at the Birchmere in Alexandria, VA, next Wednesday, > Feb 13, at 7:30 pm. (Yes of course I'll be there!) > > Other Birchmere performances of possible interest to DC-area folks: > > Nanci Griffith, Feb 25, 26 & 27 > Joan Baez (with special guest Richard Shindell), Mar 9 & 10 > Richard Elliot, Mar 24 > Suzanne Westenhoefer (lesbian comedy), Mar 29 & 30 > John Gorka, Apr 4 > Fairport Convention, Apr 12 > Janis Ian, Apr 13 > Dar Williams, Apr 14 > Kate Clinton (more lesbian comedy!), Apr 26 & 27 > TOM RUSH, May 4 > Richie Havens, May 11 > > http://www.birchmere.com > > Lori > in MD > > ~ > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:56:42 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: accents NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/8/02 3:46:32 PM, kate@katebennett.com writes: > > << how about richard thompson? >> > > Looking into my crystal ball, I predict that we will see a post from Debra > Shea very soon . . . Hahaha... well, yeahhhhh... they're talking about My Man!!! Kate said: > how about richard thompson? we are going to see him tonight & everytime i go > to his concerts i am blown away by his talent but only understand a very > little of what he is actually saying... He does do a lot of quick, throw-away lines in between songs. I find it easier to understand him if I relax and don't try to understand him; then I'm no longer translating and all of a sudden I have a British accent too (in my head) and he's making perfect sense. His pronunciation when he's singing is very clear compared to most singers I think, and I can usually understand everything he sings, even when I haven't heard it before. And, if I don't have a clue what he's singing about, there's always the 1-man-sounding-like-3 guitar-playing to be swooped up in. And Alison, who I keep looking for in those Salt Lake City Olympic Games crowds I'm seeing on TV (where are ya, girl? :-), says: > i love > richard thompson live, it's one of the best shows you > can experience. Yes, indeedy. What a guy!!! (sigh) (even when I can't understand what he's saying) Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:11:30 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) How about the Harrod Experiment??? That was a wild 60's movie as I recall. Not that you want to think about "free love" in this day in age. Pierced tongue in cheek-> Paz on 2/6/02 7:11 AM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Interesting discussions lately. I have been on a 60's "kick" lately, reading > a lot about what happened back then, and trying to understand the whole > "hippie" culture. Mostly because my son, Aaron, who many of you met last > Jonifest, seems to be in the category of the "second generation" of hippies. > I was not yet 14 the summer of Woodstock, and thus missed a lot of the whole > culture of that time period by several years. Sure, I wore black armbands to > protest the war, fringed vests and bell-bottoms, love beads, etc., but really > was just a teeny-bopper after all. Does anyone have any good suggestions of > books or movies on this era? There are many books listed on Amazon, but I was > wondering if anyone in this vast commnunity might have some suggestions. I'm > really having fun flashing back to this time period! > > Anyone want to start a JMDL commune? ;-) > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:16:38 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Boston are JMDLers...........(GCC) (Gregg Cagno Content) Texas- U know you can always count on us music sluts. Houston ain't that far off for me. Paz NP-Woodstock-Pine Knob83 on 2/7/02 8:52 AM, Donna J. Binkley at djb@binkleybarfield.com wrote: > What enquiring minds want to know, is when is Gregg Cagno going to play in > Texas? > > Also, i would like to have a mini Jonifest at some point. If i did, would > anyone come this far? > > db ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:10:25 -0800 From: The New Guy Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) At 12:11 AM 2/10/02, you wrote: >How about the Harrod Experiment??? That was a wild 60's movie as I recall. >Not that you want to think about "free love" in this day in age. > >Pierced tongue in cheek-> > >Paz > >on 2/6/02 7:11 AM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > > > Interesting discussions lately. I have been on a 60's "kick" lately, > reading > > a lot about what happened back then, and trying to understand the whole > > "hippie" culture. Mostly because my son, Aaron, who many of you met last > > Jonifest, seems to be in the category of the "second generation" of > hippies. > > I was not yet 14 the summer of Woodstock, and thus missed a lot of the > whole > > culture of that time period by several years. Sure, I wore black > armbands to > > protest the war, fringed vests and bell-bottoms, love beads, etc., but > really > > was just a teeny-bopper after all. Does anyone have any good suggestions of > > books or movies on this era? There are many books listed on Amazon, but > I was > > wondering if anyone in this vast commnunity might have some > suggestions. I'm > > really having fun flashing back to this time period! > > > > Anyone want to start a JMDL commune? ;-) > > > > Hugs, > > Ashara I like "Be Not Content" by William J. Craddock. Warmest regards, Nick N/P: Mother of Pearl - Roxy Music, Hammersmith Odeon, 5/18/79 Trade Stuff: http://www.boootlegs.com/ Text Only Pages: http://www.boootlegs.com/bootxt01.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:15:32 -0800 From: The New Guy Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) At 12:11 AM 2/10/02, you wrote: >How about the Harrod Experiment??? That was a wild 60's movie as I recall. >Not that you want to think about "free love" in this day in age. And of course The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:32:11 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Old farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) I remember we actually rolled one with that big old paper and went to the park for the afternoon. Paz on 2/7/02 1:33 PM, Susan Guzzi at groovchacha@yahoo.com wrote: > Bob Murphy wrote: > >> sounds great, although my first thought was of bad brown acid and > depends. > > Kakki wrote: >> Naw more like Boone's farm and Zig Zags > > Well I offer this compromise - how about a Zig Zag the size of Depends. > I still have the The Big Bambu Rolling paper from the Cheech and Chong > album of the same name - somewhere around here. I would be willing to > donate it to all the old farts! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:31:25 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Gregg! Gregg! Gregg! NJC Next time you hear that Gregg Cagno is in town, drop whatever you're doing and run to go see him. And see him now -- before you have to pay outrageous scalper prices to catch his show in some enormous stadium. I went with our beloved Ashara and my friend John to Gregg's performance at Borders in Framingham, Massachusetts tonight and we all had a wonderful time. I laughed! I cried! I even heckled! Gregg is such a sweet, talented man. So see him now before success and fame totally change him! To tell you all about the great songs and unforgettable moments in tonight's show, I would be writing this until dawn. So take my advice -- and everyone else's -- and see Gregg as soon as you possibly can. And when you get to Gregg's next show, if you notice a little commotion, that's probably Rose and me having a hair-pulling fight over the last available front row seat! --Bob PS: It pains me to put the NJC label on this . . . God, the things those poor bastards miss. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 22:33:38 -0800 From: The New Guy Subject: Re: Old farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) At 12:32 AM 2/10/02, you wrote: >I remember we actually rolled one with that big old paper and went to the >park for the afternoon. > >Paz These days the flag-papers would be taken seriously. Warmest regards, Nick N/P: Manifesto - Roxy Music/Hammersmith 79 Trade Stuff: http://www.boootlegs.com/ Text Only Pages: http://www.boootlegs.com/bootxt01.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Old farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) Hey Paz, I hope there were enough of you so that none was wasted Paz. You went to the park for the afternoon ... but what day did you come out? If my short-term memory returns (like that's gonna happen) - and I find exactly where it is I put it - I'll frame it. Then I'll bring it to Jonifest this year as a giveaway! As long as you don't think anything would happen to it ...hmmm? Well remember that old Cheech & Chong schtick ... Gameshow Guy asks, "How many joints in a lid? Contestant says, "2. I roll big joints!" Gameshow guy replies, "Judges say that's okay they roll big joints too!" Peace Susan - --- Michael Paz wrote: > > I remember we actually rolled one with that big old paper and went to > the > park for the afternoon. > > Paz > > > on 2/7/02 1:33 PM, Susan Guzzi at groovchacha@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Bob Murphy wrote: > > > >> sounds great, although my first thought was of bad brown acid and > > depends. > > > > Kakki wrote: > >> Naw more like Boone's farm and Zig Zags > > > > Well I offer this compromise - how about a Zig Zag the size of > Depends. > > I still have the The Big Bambu Rolling paper from the Cheech and > Chong > > album of the same name - somewhere around here. I would be willing > to > > donate it to all the old farts! ;-) Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! 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