From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #67 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 067 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: February 9 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Book stores and Olympics NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: my accent NJC [colin ] Re: Anima Rising [colin ] RE: RE: Anima Rising ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Janis Movie NJC ["Ron Greer" ] RE: RE: Anima Rising [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Anima Rising [colin ] idiom? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Who's the Wolf, and Where is Lindsay? NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] RE: Who's the Wolf, and Where is Lindsay? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] margaret/carole njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni and Madonna (no, not that Madonna!) [CoyoteRick@aol.com] The Garden Grown II featured Gregg Cagno last night njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni and Madonna (no, not that Madonna!) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: The Garden Grown II featured Gregg Cagno last night njc [Murphycopy@a] Re: The Garden Grown II featured Gregg Cagno last night njc [RoseMJoy@aol] We have a winner!!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] muleshoe, the panhandle, hollywood inaccuracy njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: my accent NJC [chiaroscuro@snet.net] Janis Movie, etc NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Janis Movie, etc NJC [The New Guy ] Re: We have a winner!!! njc [Randy Remote ] janis. njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Dylan question NJC ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: janis. njc [The New Guy ] Re: Photos from Graham's B-day party [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Photos from Graham's B-day party [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Dylan question NJC [Randy Remote ] dylan question njc ["mack watson-bush" ] janis at monterey 67 njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Good Friends DED ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Good Friends DED 100 % JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Anima Rising [anne@sandstrom.com] accents NJC ["kerry" ] Re: Anima Rising [Catherine McKay ] Re: accents NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: accents NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: accents NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Photos from Graham's B-day party ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Anima Rising [colin ] Re: Anima Rising [colin ] Re: accents NJC [colin ] Re: pop idol NJC [colin ] replacements/new order njc [evian ] Re: Photos from Graham's B-day party ["Kakki" ] Re: Photos from Graham's B-day party ["Kakki" ] baked bean addict NJC [colin ] Re: Mac with Crosby ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 03:25:54 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: February 9 On February 9 the following articles were published: 1974: "Joni Mitchell Emerges from her Retreat" - Toronto Star (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/740209ts.cfm 1974: "Lost Innocence with a rock and roll band" - New Musical Express (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/740209nme.cfm 2000: "Both Sides Now" - Billboard (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000209b.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:28:57 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Book stores and Olympics NJC Alison asked: > could you please tell me, if you live in or near a > major city , what is the biggest, or oldest, or most > renown independent bookstore in your city? One of the oldest and most renowned is here downtown but I can't think of the name! Here's some other notables: Book Soup, Sunset Blvd., West Hollywood Hollywood Book City, Hollywood Blvd. Skylight Books, Vermont Ave., Los Feliz The Bodhi Tree, Beverly Hills (the grandmama of new age bookstores) The Olympics Opening Ceremony was very beautiful - Utah did good! Loved the skaters (lots of Coyotes there including Robbie Robertson and Peter) and all the athletes looked particularly gorgeous in their attire and attitude. But brrrrr, it looked COLD. You got a big heap o' snow there, too. Sting and Yo Yo Ma - sublime. Kakki NP: Sting - Fields of Gold - Chicago Sessions 4/23/93 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:32:26 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: my accent NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > what does it sound like to you? when we spoke on the phone, I was surprised to hear you speak 'american' when I expected a Spanish accent. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:33:22 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Anima Rising BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/8/02 6:05:31 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > > << enema rising. >> > thanks Wally and Walt. I didn't notice that. Maybe because I don't have an accent! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:15:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: RE: Anima Rising that is right!!!! good old new england ''intrusive R'', intrusive acquiring a whole new meaning here. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de BigWaltinSF@aol.com Enviado el: Sabado, 09 de Febrero de 2002 01:15 a.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; anne@sandstrom.com; colin@tantra-apso.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: RE: Anima Rising In a message dated 2/8/02 6:05:31 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << enema rising. >> Or, as i just posted to Anne, in New England at least it could be misconstrued as "Enema Icing", an equally disturbing image. lol fondly, woooooawltuh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:32:04 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: RE: Janis Movie NJC hi all this talk about melissa/janis. so i had to go & pull out my cd with melissa singing "me & bobby mcgee" a very nice, solo acoustic guitar version. then i put on janis' solo acoustic guitar version. ok - so she doesnt play guitar as well a melissa (im assuming that melissa did in fact play guitar on her version - i actually know very little about her & the cd is a bootleg "10 years of covers" with no details, not even a tracklist). but oh, the singing..... melissa comes across as *trying* to be janis. some forced emotion etc. but janis is just plain brilliant. theres an edge and a depth to her singing that melissa just cant do. but what about sass jordan? is anyone familiar with her or her music? ive just got the one album "rats" (bought it cause i liked the cover!!), but it seems to me that she'd do a great janis. similar style of voice (not as good - but whose is?) and music, with that same ability to cruise along vocally with that hint of venom in her voice, then abruptly let rip.... ron np - sass jordan high road easy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 05:42:38 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: RE: RE: Anima Rising And I've always blushed that the thought crossed my mind as I listen to the song. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:04:40 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Anima Rising well you have ruined it for me. I'll never be able to listen again without this coming to mind. thanks Anne ;-) anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > And I've always blushed that the thought crossed my > mind as I listen to the song. > > lots of love > Anne - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:49:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: idiom? njc here's something i've wanted to know for the longest time and i always forget to ask: what does ''queer as folk'' mean? is it an idiomatic expression? british? wallyK, breaking the world's insomnia record: 50 hours and counting. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:10:48 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Who's the Wolf, and Where is Lindsay? NJC Wally said >>but then the girls would be chilly not the blouses. or could you say it that way? << of course you could. English literature (not a contradiction in terms) is full of such examples, especially in poetry, but it happens too in many songs. Ill not give examples here but Jonis songs are, I suspect, full of examples too. OK, Ill give one example thats just jumped into my head. Natalie Merchant sings in The Lowlands of Holland The weary winds began to roar, the seas they began to shout Its the effect of the storm at sea that makes the sailors weary but the adjective is applied to the cause rather than the effect, or if you prefer, to the agent rather than the recipient, as in the chilly blouses. mike in bcnnp lydia van damme (thanxs John) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 15:14:08 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: RE: RP NJC >> RP is ''received pronunciation'', the particular variety of english that for many years was a requirement of BBC speakers.<< Quote from Fowlers Modern English Usage: 2nd edition Received Pronunciation is the name given to a system of pronunciation used by only a minority of the people of Britain but heard, since the invention of broadcasting, constantly by almost all of them. It is readily recognizable but not very easy to define; nor are its boundaries sharply marked. It is a name coined by Professor Wyld for what was called standard English by Sweet as long ago as 1908 and described by him as a class dialect rather than a local dialect  the dialect of the educated all over Britain. There is more but I think the key point is this about the social class rather than the geographical area. Listen to educated Indians in A Passage to India and other Merchant-Ivory Productions and youll see what I mean. mike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:59:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Who's the Wolf, and Where is Lindsay? NJC i guess that my question was poorly phrased. i meant: would that phrase be idiomatic and not merely metaphoric? would you use it in an everyday situation? wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mike Pritchard Enviado el: Sabado, 09 de Febrero de 2002 03:11 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar Asunto: Re: Who's the Wolf, and Where is Lindsay? NJC Wally said >>but then the girls would be chilly not the blouses. or could you say it that way? << of course you could. English literature (not a contradiction in terms) is full of such examples, especially in poetry, but it happens too in many songs. Ill not give examples here but Jonis songs are, I suspect, full of examples too. OK, Ill give one example thats just jumped into my head. Natalie Merchant sings in The Lowlands of Holland The weary winds began to roar, the seas they began to shout Its the effect of the storm at sea that makes the sailors weary but the adjective is applied to the cause rather than the effect, or if you prefer, to the agent rather than the recipient, as in the chilly blouses. mike in bcnnp lydia van damme (thanxs John) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:05:11 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: RP NJC yes, the ''received'' part is rather a giveaway of class consciousness. i was quoting part of gimson's definition. gimson was a student of daniel jones, the creator of the international phonetics alphabet and an expert on RP. in any case, though RP is a class concept, it does originate in the variety [once?] used by ''educated'' [public school] speakers in southern england. educated indian english is not RP. not that i care, mind you. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mike Pritchard Enviado el: Sabado, 09 de Febrero de 2002 03:14 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: anima_rising@yahoo.ca; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar Asunto: RE: RP NJC >> RP is ''received pronunciation'', the particular variety of english that for many years was a requirement of BBC speakers.<< Quote from Fowlers Modern English Usage: 2nd edition Received Pronunciation is the name given to a system of pronunciation used by only a minority of the people of Britain but heard, since the invention of broadcasting, constantly by almost all of them. It is readily recognizable but not very easy to define; nor are its boundaries sharply marked. It is a name coined by Professor Wyld for what was called standard English by Sweet as long ago as 1908 and described by him as a class dialect rather than a local dialect  the dialect of the educated all over Britain. There is more but I think the key point is this about the social class rather than the geographical area. Listen to educated Indians in A Passage to India and other Merchant-Ivory Productions and youll see what I mean. mike in bcn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:06:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: margaret/carole njc today carole king turns 60. today princess margaret died at 71. wally, get me the seconal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:44:27 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: Joni and Madonna (no, not that Madonna!) Kakki wrote: And doesn't the lead singer in this one, all glammed- up, look like someone we know? http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/singer.html I couldn't make that one out -- but I swear I saw JM at the far left of that photo -- maybe with a feather boa on? No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:44:57 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: The Garden Grown II featured Gregg Cagno last night njc Our own Jersey garden grown boy Gregg Cagno was featured last night at the Barron Arts Center. They do a folk concert series featuring the Garden State's Homegrown finest, and who better to pick ;~) Little did they know Gregg no longer lives in NJ LOL! He's been wanting to play there for a long time, so it's all good. We all know where his roots are. The Barron Arts Center is housed in a historical brick building. They told me it was one of the first free public libraries in the county. It looked to me like it was a church with all of it's arched doorways and stained glass windows. His concert was broadcast for a local Woodbridge cable station WTT35 and will be aired next week. I don't get it! WAAAAHHHH He did two long sets, I won't mention them all, but just a few amongst my faves: BackRoad Driver Just the 3 of Us (awesome new song that won "best mellow" in the songwriters competition at So. Fl. folkfest) Lost in Durango Present Moment Days Her Comes the Sun (Harrison) The No-Dependent Song Rider on an Orphan Train (Dulcimer) (D. Massengill) Mandolin Moon Mingus Died in Mexico (Carl on keyboards) You Can Close Your Eyes (JT) (backing vocals Miss Maggie) and he closed his set with Come Together As always Mr. Cagno pleased his audience He's headed for Massachusetts today. If you live in the area, I'd check him out. www.greggcagno.com Thanks Gregg, as usual I had fun. rose rptg in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:53:41 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Madonna (no, not that Madonna!) In a message dated 2/9/02 10:45:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, CoyoteRick@aol.com writes: > I couldn't make that one out -- but I swear I saw JM at the far left of that > > photo -- maybe with a feather boa on? > > Good eyes! I think you're right Rick. It looks like Joni's smiling face to me. rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:54:34 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Garden Grown II featured Gregg Cagno last night njc In a message dated 2/9/02 10:47:46 AM, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: << He's headed for Massachusetts today. If you live in the area, I'd check him out. >> That's right, Rose. Gregg is at Borders in Framingham tonight at 8. I will be there with a very special date! And I will try to get him to autograph his CD, which a couple of wonderful listers recently sent me. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:03:33 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Garden Grown II featured Gregg Cagno last night njc In a message dated 2/9/02 10:54:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > That's right, Rose. Gregg is at Borders in Framingham tonight at 8. I will > be there with a very special date! And I will try to get him to autograph > his CD, which a couple of wonderful listers recently sent me. > > I know, your date told me and I told Gregg.... Smurfie will be there! He laughed. have a great time Bob and get him to sing "Just the 3 of Us" for you. luv, rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:23:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: We have a winner!!! Well, he didn't think he had a REMOTE possibility of winning, but I'm happy to say that RANDY REMOTE is our lucky winner of "Covers, Volume 26"! Randy guessed "Blue Boy" My secret song was "The Arrangement" I'm always happy to send these along, but even more so this time as Randy was a significant supporter of the covers project from its outset, for which I will always be grateful. If you didn't win, but can't consider life without this CD, contact me and I'll hook you up. And don't despair, MANY more chances to win are coming up. Thanks to all who guessed for this one. And remember, you'll never win if you don't play... Bob NP: Tar Heel Voices, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:31:11 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: muleshoe, the panhandle, hollywood inaccuracy njc This won't mean anything to anyone but me I suppose but it irritates me so I have to express it. I wish I could send this letter to the public at large. Doing some work on the computer and the t.v. is on. That ridiculous movie Dill Scallion is playing again. I repeat, there are no large hills visible in the distance from Muleshoe, Texas. There is no bar in that town. The town is dry as are most of the surrounding towns. The closest bar is in Clovis, New Mexico. There are NO hoedowns. That term is not even used. School bus drivers are not allowed to use the buses for personal business and they do not wash the buses they drive. And posting about accents, most in this flick are very poorly done. Overdone to the max. A large majority of people in that area have no accent to speak of. I wonder if these Hollywood people spend any time researching the crap they produce. Just as Happy, Texas, this movie portrays a place nothing like the real thing. The reason it irritates me so is that the public at large will believe it. mack watson-bush ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:47:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: idiom? njc It si a common saying in Britain, especially up north. 'there's nout so queer as folk'. Nout means nothing. Queer in this context means strange. folk means people. so 'there is nothing so strange as people'. However, the tv series, Queer As Folk is a play on 'queer as fuck' and i don't think you need an explanation of that! Tho i am still waiting for an explanation of 'gotteral sounds'!!! Wally Kairuz wrote: > here's something i've wanted to know for the longest time and i always > forget to ask: > what does ''queer as folk'' mean? is it an idiomatic expression? british? > wallyK, breaking the world's insomnia record: 50 hours and counting. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:04:50 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@snet.net Subject: Re: my accent NJC to me ... your voice has a lovely latin lilt to it. your command of the english language is impeccable so your argentinean accent comes across as a wonderful seasoning to english words. it is very sexy ... in my opinion. i would love for you to read all my homework to me ... i think i would have a better chance of remembering it! ;-) my husband speaks italian fluently but to some degree there is a lack of accent. sooo the next time i see you wally and i get this glaze look in my eyes it is because of your accent! i don't want you to think i was coming on to you ;-D now .... wassup with you being awake for 50 hours straight? what kind of marathon is this? heather At 11:00 PM 2/8/02 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: >what does it sound like to you? i am so curious!!!!! i get the most diverse >comments on my accent. in fact, those of you that have heard me: how do i >sound to you? why is it that when people don't know that i'm from argentina, >they think i'm either american or even canadian? last weekend three guys >from los angeles ''guessed'' i was from new york. and then a canadian tenor >a few years ago asked me what part of canada i was from. hello? >wally > >-----Mensaje original----- >De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de >chiaroscuro@SNET.Net >Enviado el: Viernes, 08 de Febrero de 2002 08:17 p.m. >Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org >Asunto: RE: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC > > >you have a beeeeeutiful accent wally! i love to listen to you speak. > >heather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:34:47 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Janis Movie, etc NJC Ron Greer posted: > all this talk about melissa/janis. so i had to go & pull out my cd with melissa singing "me & bobby mcgee" a very nice, solo acoustic guitar version. melissa comes across as *trying* to be janis. some forced emotion etc. but janis is just plain brilliant. theres an edge and a depth to her singing that melissa just cant do. Absolutely. God has not spared me from many things but may God spare me from a movie soundtrack with Melissa Etheridge singing Janis' ouevre. > > > but what about sass jordan? is anyone familiar with her or her music? No, at least I am not. > ive just got the one album "rats" (bought it cause i liked the cover!!), but it seems to me that she'd do a great janis. similar style of voice (not as good - but whose is?) and music, with that same ability to cruise along vocally with that hint of venom in her voice, then abruptly let rip.... Oh do say more about this sass jordan. In the "Love, Janis" production that I saw, Andra Mitrovich (who I think is also from Texas) was outstanding, did as good of a singing Janis Joplin as I could imagine. Chicago favorite Cathy Richardson alternated with Andra in the Chicago production and at least at the beginning and maybe still in the NY production, with Cathy getting rave reviews also. I have been told that in real life Janis was very tiny. She comes across so powerfully when she sang that I can't imagine her as being as short as she evidently was,. For those who have been posting about the Monterey Pop DVD, keep posting - the day that is released I will have to have it, should I still be around then - that Janis footage is priceless. When I saw "Love, Janis" the moment the audience realized that the next scene was the recreation of Janis at Monterey, the place went up in cheers and shouts of joy. I know it has been discussed here before but I recall that was actually the second time she sang Ball and Chain at Monterey - the first time was not recorded and they had her do it again for the sake of the documentary. The reaction shot of Mama Cass going "wow" is indelible as Janis' performance. Can anyone verify or correct my recollection that Janis sang twice at Monterey? (the Rev) Vince NP: Linkin Park, In the End ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:52:19 -0800 From: The New Guy Subject: Re: Janis Movie, etc NJC At 09:34 AM 2/9/02, you wrote: >Ron Greer posted: > > > all this talk about melissa/janis. so i had to go & pull out my cd with > melissa singing "me & bobby mcgee" a very nice, solo acoustic guitar > version. melissa comes across as *trying* to be janis. some > forced emotion etc. but janis is just plain brilliant. theres an edge and > a depth to her singing that melissa just cant do. Well, that's 'cause Janis was * * Janis * * and ME is only ME. Sorry. >Absolutely. God has not spared me from many things but may God spare me >from a movie soundtrack with Melissa Etheridge singing Janis' ouevre. Funny! >I have been told that in real life Janis was very tiny. She comes across >so powerfully when she sang that I can't imagine her as being as short as >she evidently was,. She was also very skinny. In a lot of the pictures she came across as beefy, but when I met her she was wearing skin-tight purple velvet bell-bottoms and 'tiny' really described her then... Warmest regards, Nick N/P: Bruce Springsteen / Cleveland 6/3/74 Trade Stuff: http://www.boootlegs.com/ Text Only Pages: http://www.boootlegs.com/bootxt01.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:20:36 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: We have a winner!!! njc To quote Deiter from SNL (insert German accent): "I'm as happy as a little girl!!" SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Well, he didn't think he had a REMOTE possibility of winning, but I'm happy > to say that RANDY REMOTE is our lucky winner of "Covers, Volume 26"! > > Randy guessed "Blue Boy" > My secret song was "The Arrangement" > > I'm always happy to send these along, but even more so this time as Randy was > a significant supporter of the covers project from its outset, for which I > will always be grateful. > > If you didn't win, but can't consider life without this CD, contact me and > I'll hook you up. And don't despair, MANY more chances to win are coming up. > > Thanks to all who guessed for this one. And remember, you'll never win if you > don't play... > > Bob > > NP: Tar Heel Voices, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:19:33 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: janis. njc Janis was not tiny, according to all the literature I have read. I don't know her actual height but I am going to look it up. She always had a problem with her weight and was rather pudgy and took much flak because of it, in her earlier years. The thin appearance in later years, new guy, was because of the booze and the heroin. mack watson-bush ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:27:14 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Dylan question NJC Recently, my 18 year old son posed a simple question to me for which I really didn't have an answer, but it did set me to thinking. We were on a long car trip during the holidays, and I put on a Dylan tape - Greatest Hits I. My son has very good taste in pop music ("Neil Young is the MAN") and he appreciates Dylan. But he brought up an interesting point, at least to me. He asked me why Dylan became "like, so famous". My erudite response...Well, just listen to it. Doh! I guess to a young person Dylan looks like a very unlikely rock star - not particularly attractive, strange vocal style, little to no personality. Was it right time, right place, right person? Or is there more to it? During Dylan's early career I was just a pre-adolescent wee thing totally consumed by Beatlemania, so I really don't rememer what impact he made back then. I know that we have many thoughtful, sagacious, and eloquent list members, not to mention at least one Bob-o-phile, who must be able to come up with a better response. I'm sure there have been many scholarly papers written on this very subject, but I'm interested in your ideas. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:30:19 -0800 From: The New Guy Subject: Re: janis. njc At 10:19 AM 2/9/02, you wrote: >Janis was not tiny, according to all the literature I have read. I don't know >her actual height but I am going to look it up. She always had a problem with >her weight and was rather pudgy and took much flak because of it, in her >earlier years. The thin appearance in later years, new guy, was because of >the booze and the heroin. > > >mack watson-bush Clearly she looks beefy before she got skinny. I hope you didn't think I meant she was tiny during the pudgy days; I was referring to the thin appearance in the later years. Of course, I only met her once, backstage at Winterland, when she stopped by to chat with Frank Zappa during one of their gigs there. Sadly I can no longer remember the date, but I believe the backup band was the Mongo Santamaria Band or something... Warmest regards, Nick N/P: Same album. Trade Stuff: http://www.boootlegs.com/ Text Only Pages: http://www.boootlegs.com/bootxt01.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:34:27 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Photos from Graham's B-day party My bet is that the lady in the leather beret, to the far left of this shot, is our Joan. http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/sister.html Kakki wrote: > Check out these cute photos from the party at the Madonna Inn, including > Croz in the pink bunny suit! > > http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/Bday.html > > And doesn't the lead singer in this one, all glammed- up, look like someone > we know? > > http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/singer.html > > It's great to hear that Joni's partying with the boys again. - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:37:01 -0800 From: The New Guy Subject: Re: Dylan question NJC At 10:27 AM 2/9/02, you wrote: >Recently, my 18 year old son posed a simple question to me for which I >really didn't have an answer, but it did set me to thinking. We were on a >long car trip during the holidays, and I put on a Dylan tape - Greatest >Hits I. My son has very good taste in pop music ("Neil Young is the MAN") >and he appreciates Dylan. But he brought up an interesting point, at >least to me. >He asked me why Dylan became "like, so famous". My erudite >response...Well, just listen to it. Doh! > >I guess to a young person Dylan looks like a very unlikely rock star - not >particularly attractive, strange vocal style, little to no >personality. Was it right time, right place, right person? Or is there >more to it? During Dylan's early career I was just a pre-adolescent wee >thing totally consumed by Beatlemania, so I really don't rememer what >impact he made back then. > >I know that we have many thoughtful, sagacious, and eloquent list members, >not to mention at least one Bob-o-phile, who must be able to come up with >a better response. I'm sure there have been many scholarly papers written >on this very subject, but I'm interested in your ideas. > >Sybil Far from scholarly, but still an idea: There used to be a concept here in the states called "social consciousness." Because there was no Brittney Spears then, and the media wasn't completely controlled by right-wing Christian fundamentalists and their corporate partners, a different mood settled upon the land through exposure to the phony war machine and Mr. Dylan sort of tapped into it. That mindset doesn't exist anymore, but he still does, as do many people who enjoyed him then, and in the subsequent years. I think the loss of that "social consciousness" is going to be hard to explain. Warmest regards, Nick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:41:56 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Photos from Graham's B-day party In a message dated 2/9/02 1:35:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, phyliss@goldenfigclay.com writes: > http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/sister.html > Yeah Phyliss, she does have that same vinyl pink jacket on. r ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:50:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dylan question NJC The best way to answer this question would be to play a bunch of songs from the years immediately preceeding Dylan's emergence on the scene. Bobby Vinton, Sandra Dee, etc. Even the folk in '61 and '62 ala Kingston Trio, Limeliters, etc was pretty tame, traditional, and mostly boring. The biggest reason, of course, was that he was such a monster songwriter, particularly lyrically, and very prolific. The third reason was that, with the civil rights movement, the antiwar movement, and the use of mind-expanding substances, young people were (and are, again) beginning to search for something more meaningful than "It's My Party And I'll Cry If I Want To". Bob's (seemingly) unpolished presentation only helped promote his image as an authentic, non-manufactured artist. And his avoidance of the press gave him an aura of mystery. Mostly, he was a true original (or became one after shaking his earlier Woody Gutherie/Ramblin' Jack persona). On that particular subject, I just saw the movie "The Ballad of Ramblin' Jack", directed by Jack's daughter. Recommended! Dylan copped much of his early style from Jack, and lifted his talkin' blues thing intact. Unlike Jack, Dylan had gobs of drive and ambition, and aggressive management. RR Sybil Skelton wrote: > Recently, my 18 year old son posed a simple question to me for which I > really didn't have an answer, but it did set me to thinking. We were on a > long car trip during the holidays, and I put on a Dylan tape - Greatest Hits > I. My son has very good taste in pop music ("Neil Young is the MAN") and he > appreciates Dylan. But he brought up an interesting point, at least to me. > He asked me why Dylan became "like, so famous". My erudite response...Well, > just listen to it. Doh! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:08:53 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: dylan question njc I never understood the Bob Dylan fascination either. My big brother Johnny was a MAJOR fan though and would spend countless hours listening to the dylan recordings. In later years I tried to develop a taste for him, because of my brother, but it never came. I never could figure out why. I like the lyrics. I think the voice just isn't my cup of tea and like Hell said, different folks like different things. Despite all that I could always understand, don't know and cannot explain why, why he was a star. That was obvious. He just fit. Have nothing but respect for him and always remember that album cover of him in silhouette. mack watson-bush ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:20:15 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: janis at monterey 67 njc Janis and Big Brother played at Monterey on Saturday afternoon, June 17. They also played again on Sunday evening, June 18. mack watson-bush ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:38:47 -0000 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: Re: Dylan-an "ugly voice" to me there are two diff angles to look at this question from... how did dylan become popular initially and how did he become so hugely popular later?... blowin in the wind was truly an anthem for the antiwar contingent, for lack of a better word, as was the times they are a changin' an anthem for the generation gap as well as for the discontent the younger generation felt toward those in power in general... and of course songs like don't think twice just added fuel to his popularity in describing the angst of men-women relationships... peter paul and mary contributed to his initial popularity in recording these songs but i think it was his acute sense of social injustice that made his songs so popular "it takes an ugly voice (and an ugly singer?) to be understood" ---one of my fav quotes of his later in his career, as he turned electric and kind of chameleon-like in chasing diff styles of music, i think he still had some of that originality, but alienated many people looking to him to continue producing anthems of such daring, brilliant metaphor as blowin in the wind... yet his desire to produce new music and to not look back has many parallels, even some to our lady of siquomb one song i think is absolutely bril in the story telling fashion he made so popular was/is percy's song, about a man sentenced to 99 years for killing four people driving drunk... the portrait he paints of the judge is really quite illuminating..."turn, turn, turn, to the crying of the wind" as the hook, if i remember right, shows again his subtle yet powerful use of metaphor what can you say? the man was a poet alan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:32:13 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Good Friends DED Exactly. This is beautifully said, Bob. Nice job. I enjoyed reading this. Lama rmurocks said, >>One of her problems with her post 70's work is that she raised the bar for HERSELF so damn high with those records. It's like trying to find grace in a stick figure once you've seen the full texture an artist can create.>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:48:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Good Friends DED 100 % JC I've looked at collaboration this way. [ :) ] But I gotta tell you, I was listening to "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" last night. I can't imagine that we'd appreciate her heights if she had never met Wayne Shorter or Jaco Pastorius. Earlier this week, I was appreciating how great the "Mingus" collaborations were. I would go further and say that most of Joni's co-creators have complimented her. Think of Stephen Stills' bass playing on the early albums and Brian Blade more recently. Can you imagine "Carey" without percussion? I have my favorite periods, of course. The thing is though, I'm lucky to have the gems I do and the near misses don't matter. It's the beautiful tree that you find that matters, not the walk you have to take to find the beautiful tree. Any mountain climber will tell you that the climb itself is 90% of the reward. Sensei checking in, Lama walterphil said, >>well you certainly solved part of the problem for me as to why i hate that album so much. if they were his melody lines i understand. there isn't a decent melody line on the album. certain artists should never collaborate>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:05:34 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Anima Rising >> well you have ruined it for me. I'll never be able to listen again without this coming to mind. thanks Anne ;-) > Misery loves company. And I LOVE the song, but I can't get around that one line... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:18:27 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: accents NJC Wally wrote: >oh baby oh baby oh baby! phonology gives me orgasms! So all a man has to do to make you hot, is talk about things like phonemes, digraphs or diphthongs? (oh my!) :>) Kerry NP - Dylan - "Mississippi" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:15:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Anima Rising I'm going to have to change my name now. - --- colin wrote: > well you have ruined it for me. I'll never be able > to listen again > without this coming to mind. > thanks Anne ;-) > > anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > > > And I've always blushed that the thought crossed > my > > mind as I listen to the song. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: accents NJC - --- kerry wrote: > Wally wrote: > > >oh baby oh baby oh baby! phonology gives me > orgasms! > > So all a man has to do to make you hot, is talk > about things like phonemes, > digraphs or diphthongs? (oh my!) :>) > Glottal stops anyone? Fricatives? Tildes and umlauts? Labio-dental (that sounds really dirty.) ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 18:57:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: accents NJC definitely! and don't forget tongue clicks and oh yes yes yes... bilabial fricatives!!! seriously. i am a chatterbox. i speak 19 to the dozen. but at jonifests you will find me wandering around, quietly listening in on conversations because of the overwhelming pleasure it gives me to hear ACCENTS. you know, vowel sounds right there, in the air, not as symbols in a phonetic transcription. sounds are to me what diamonds are to zsa zsa. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: kerry [mailto:myrtlmoo@ticon.net] Enviado el: Sabado, 09 de Febrero de 2002 06:18 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: accents NJC Wally wrote: >oh baby oh baby oh baby! phonology gives me orgasms! So all a man has to do to make you hot, is talk about things like phonemes, digraphs or diphthongs? (oh my!) :>) Kerry NP - Dylan - "Mississippi" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:00:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: accents NJC oh and half-open central vowels. and plosives too. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Catherine McKay Enviado el: Sabado, 09 de Febrero de 2002 06:27 p.m. Para: kerry; Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: accents NJC Glottal stops anyone? Fricatives? Tildes and umlauts? Labio-dental (that sounds really dirty.) ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:07:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Photos from Graham's B-day party who's the guy with crosby in the bunny costume? an overblown tom hanks? william shatner after plastic? a bewildered robert wagner? my, don't all those cheeks look rawther on the rosy side. wally ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:57:05 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: pop idol NJC Will won pop idol:) yay!!the best man won; when they announced the winner everyeone in the room just said "what". surprising, but good news! i've been addicted to that show for about five months. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:28:08 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Anima Rising > Misery loves company. off on a tangent as usual but i have never understood this saying! certainly if I feel miserable, i want to be alone and do ost of the people i know. When i feel happy, I want to be .....well.... alone! > And I LOVE the song, but I can't > get around that one line... > > lots of love > Anne - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:30:12 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Anima Rising Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm going to have to change my name now. > LOL! Catherine that was a mistake to mention! I hadn't amde the vconnection and now you too will bring those tubes to kind whenever I see your name! reminfds me of Bette Midler remarking about the huge populalrity of enemas (or coloinc irrigation) in LA. 'boy is this twon really that full of shit'! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:31:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: accents NJC > Labio-dental (that sounds really dirty.) sounds disgisting. Like shall I leave them in or take em out"! ick! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:34:03 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: pop idol NJC I am really glad Will won. I voted for him. I was concerned that gareth would win purely ont he sympathy vote. He is not as good a singer. in fact i thought he was weak tonight. he is cute and very brave to go thru this when he has such a bad stammer. I think that i waht got him such hugh votes. He will still go okn and make records but I think will fizzle. Will I think will be famous for a long time. He has a great voice and style. He too is very cute. Odd isn;t it how all the wrong pieces when put together can make such an appealing face. Garret wrote: > Will won pop idol:) yay!!the best man won; when they announced the winner > everyeone in the room just said "what". surprising, but good news! > i've been addicted to that show for about five months. > GARRET - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 17:36:18 -0600 From: evian Subject: replacements/new order njc Slutty Bob wrote: > You are TOTALLY dead on, Alison. They were just a decade too early, they > could have been Nirvana. It HAD to be frustrating to put out a great string > of rock records in the 80's like they did and watch them die on the vine > because they didn't fit 80's radio. To paraphrase Westerberg's lyric from > "Alex Chilton": > > I never travel far, > without some 'Mats in the car! :~) > I just have to add that Alex Chilton is for sure one of my top 10 desert island songs -- it doesn't get much better than that. I miss the days of waiting for the next Replacements' album -- it was always so excited and they never disappointed. On the plus side, y'all gotta check out the new New Order -- better than ever, and I think it tops Lowlife and Technique as my fave. Off to a birthday party I go, Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:31:45 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Photos from Graham's B-day party I think we have a winner!! ;-) Kakki http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/sister.html > > Yeah Phyliss, she does have that same vinyl pink jacket on. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:34:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Photos from Graham's B-day party Wally wondered: > who's the guy with crosby in the bunny costume? an overblown tom hanks? > william shatner after plastic? a bewildered robert wagner? > my, don't all those cheeks look rawther on the rosy side. I'm trying to figure who it is, too. The woman next to Croz is his wife Jan. Did you see Peter Fonda in the bronze silk shirt? Lookie here: http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/jackson.html (the young lad in the foreground is Graham's son Jackson). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 23:54:35 +0000 From: colin Subject: baked bean addict NJC A man has a an addiction to baked beans but is in denial about it and will not seek help. However, he falls in love with a woman. After they have dated for some time, he asks her to marry him. 'no' she says. you fart too much. I cannot marry you until you face your problem and give up eating baked beans.' The man is devsated but this rejection brings him to rock bottom and he reaches out for help to Baked Beans Anonymous. he gets himself a sponser and attends regular meetings. Soon he is feeling very good and has lost his craving for baked beans. After a year 'clean', his girlfriend agrees to marry him. It is the happiest day of his life. On their tenth wedding anniversary , and his 11th year without baked beans, he is in town to buy his wife gifts. He buys her some flowers and chocolates. he is walking along the hight street when he gets a whiff of baked beans coming out of the Wimpy he has just passed.(Wimpy=fast food chain). The craving hits him full force, and like many an addict, he convinces himself that just a small helping will not harm him. So he goes in and orders a samll portion of beans. He waist for a half hour after eating them and he does not fart. He is iver the moon that he has gotten away with this. he orders a huge protion of baked beans, and then another and then another. Fiinally he cannot eat anymore. He staggers home, feeling very pleased with himself. He opens up the garden gate and goes up to his front door. He relaises he doesn't have his key so he rings the door bell. Just as he does so a feels a huge fart coming on. Too late, his wife answres the door. he squeezes his cheeks together and thrusts the flowers and chocolates towards his wife. 'oh darling, 'sh says ash she flings her arms around him, 'i love you' ' i love you too,' he replies through gritted teeth an clenched cheeks. ' i ahve a surprise for you,' she says as she slips a blind fold on him and leads him thru to the dining room where she seats him. 'oh god, ' he is thinking I can't hod this in much longer. Just then the ophone rang and hiswife left the room to answer it. With much relief he let off an emormously stinky fart. he uses his arms and a napkin to wave the air about in the hope this would dissipate the noxious fumes. His wife returns and whips the blind fold off him. 'SURPIRSE' she yells with glee. Seated around the table were 16 family and friends. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:41:29 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Mac with Crosby O.K. I just read the CSN list digest and the man in the pic is Mac Holbert, Nash's long time partner in his fine art photography business. I think our Leslie Mixon is acquainted with Mac (think he used to live near her in Santa Cruz - Leslie please check in if you are out there). Kakki (I kept this Joni content cuz she's in the photo - ;-D ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #67 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?