From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #66 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, February 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 066 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: ryan adams can do no wrong NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Australian/New Zealand accents (NJC) [Gil Lamont ] Madonna Inn njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: RP NJC (or, those Mitford Girls) [cut ] Re: Australian/New Zealand accents (NJC) [colin ] Re: ryan adams can do no wrong NJC [Alison E ] unbelievable NJC [colin ] in 3's NJC [colin ] re: ryan adams doing to wrong NJC [Alison E ] Anima Rising [anne@sandstrom.com] Deep question about accents NJC ["kerry" ] work-related question NJC [Alison E ] Re: accents NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] RE: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Re: Old Farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) [chiaroscuro@snet.net] Re: Deep question about accents/"The Story of English" NJC [Murphycopy@ao] Re: accents NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: foreign accents NJC ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: accents NJC ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: shelley/bolognini NJC [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Re: Anima Rising [colin ] Re: (njc) Re: Mongolian Stir-fry ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Deep question about accents NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Deep question about accents NJC [colin ] Replacements/REM NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni's March, 1974 Seattle Concert! [The New Guy ] njc ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: RP NJC (or, those Mitford Girls) ["Wally Kairuz" ] my accent NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Anima Rising ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Johnny Guitar NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: work-related question NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: Deep question about accents NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: RE: Anima Rising [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Minireport on SF Microfest (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] The Wolf that lives in Lindsey. [johnirving ] Photos from Graham's B-day party ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:13:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: ryan adams can do no wrong NJC <> Adams has an amazing rock and roll vocabulary, he's a big Mats fan and admits that Westerberg is a huge influence. Both guys sing with such passion and write such incredible songs, who cares if they sound similar. It's the Rickie Lee Jones/Laura Nyro thing, there's definitely room for both in my collection. I don't have all the Whiskeytown records yet, but so far so awesome. Just got Heartbreaker this week and have loved it about 20 times. > < believes they are the one of the most underrated and > undervalued AND influential bands in rock n' roll. > man.>> > You are TOTALLY dead on, Alison. They were just a decade too early, they could have been Nirvana. It HAD to be frustrating to put out a great string of rock records in the 80's like they did and watch them die on the vine because they didn't fit 80's radio. To paraphrase Westerberg's lyric from "Alex Chilton": I never travel far, without some 'Mats in the car! :~) Westerberg contributes to the outstanding new soundtrack to "I Am Sam". He does "Nowhere Man", and to be honest his is one of the weaker tracks on it. Ben Folds is also there and of course rules doing "Golden Slumbers". Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:27:20 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Australian/New Zealand accents (NJC) Hell wrote: >Gil wrote: > > > Good on ya, mate! ;-) > > > > According to my Far Side Of-the-Wall Calendar, February 6 was Waitangi Day > > in your neck of the woods. What's up with that? > >Nic to see you've picked up a good Kiwi colloquialism there, mate! I'm a quick study. >Warning - gross simplification: February 6 (Waitangi Day) is the >anniversary of the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi (kind of like >Independence Day in the US), where lots of Maori chiefs signed over their >land to the British. It's now in hot dispute, and the Maori tribes are >demanding their land back. I say they should give back the guns and >blankets (and tuberculosis and influenza and measles) first. "...and not to mistreat the abos ... if there's anyone watching." Same should apply here, with the American abos (native Americans) getting more than just a right to open casinos on the reservation -- oops, tribal lands. >P.S. Extracting the michael, obviously - Take the mickey out all you want. Life is too short to be taken seriously. > I don't really want to get into >another debate about the wrong-doings of my British ancestors! Civilization is built on the bones of those with weaker weapons. (As Heinlein said, "God fights on the side with the heaviest artillery.") I refuse to be blamed for the sins of my Brit ancestors, no matter how grave their sins. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:31:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: reincarnation NJC damn, that tricky stan... >>fossils etc were put there by Stan to trick us.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:41:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Madonna Inn njc >>My favorite is the Cave Room. Guys, you have to go to the men's room, if nothing else. Some TV show just rated it one of the best public bathrooms in the world.<< Girls, you too can see it, as I have...Just get a guy to make sure they're all gone & stand guard... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:39:43 -0800 From: cut Subject: Re: RP NJC (or, those Mitford Girls) wally wrote: >oh i loved that book, hell!!!!!!!!! jessica wrote also ''the american way of< >death'', a great study on the american funeral business.< >i worship nancy and jessica mitford.< A big me three on the Mitfords--I have been carting around a copy of "The American Way of Death" for years now, but have to give a special shout out to Nancy's "The Sun King," which is an incredibly engaging portrait of life at the court of Louis XIV. After suffering through mountains of dry-as-dust texts to get a history degree, I must bow down before "The Sun King's" brilliance and wit and tremendously readable writing. Nancy rules indeed! Catherine T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:02:06 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Australian/New Zealand accents (NJC) > I > refuse to be blamed for the sins of my Brit ancestors, no matter how grave > their sins. I don't see why not. we are all blamed of the sins of the first two. > - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:05:23 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: ryan adams can do no wrong NJC - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Adams has an amazing rock and roll vocabulary, he's > a big Mats fan and admits > that Westerberg is a huge influence. see, this is why as music slut in residence, you reign supreme. i haven't had time to research him or find out a lot about his background influences. otherwise i wouldnt have posted that OBVIOUSLY UNINFORMED post. > with such passion and > write such incredible songs, who cares if they sound > similar. yeah, i agree, i didn't know he credited/discussed westerberg as a major influence. > Just got > Heartbreaker this week and have loved it about 20 > times. uhh, you're not loving it in an "unnatural" way, are you? > > < You are TOTALLY dead on, Alison. They were just a > decade too early, they > could have been Nirvana. It HAD to be frustrating to > put out a great string > of rock records in the 80's like they did and watch > them die on the vine > because they didn't fit 80's radio. you know, Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:13:12 +0000 From: colin Subject: unbelievable NJC An opera, yes real opera, has opened in London. So what is so unbelievable about that you ask? It is about the Jerry Springer Show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes, there is a Jerry and there are guests and it is all sung! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:21:22 +0000 From: colin Subject: in 3's NJC What a stressful week. Last weekend Martha started to vomit and pass blood from the other end. Rushed her to vet where she was pumped with anti -bio's. She just layed still for 48 hours. As she had 6 4 week old puppies, there was much concerne for them too. They succumbed on sunday just as Martha had recovered. At leastw e knew which drugs to give. they recovered in hours. Monday, Doris starts to get sick and so she is put on the drugs. I open french doors to let dogs in from garden and at this moment notice Dayna is choking. She has a thick twig stuck horizontaly in her throat. I was able to get it out and she was fine. Doris seems alright but from yesterday to today she loses all her body weight and starts to cry. The assumption from yesterday's exam was that she had eaten soemthing bad like twigs. Today she passes wood but is till very sick and in pain. Decide to operate and discover that the wood was not an issue. What was an issue was a growth full of puss on her bowell. The poor thing was just hours from death. she is home now with a big wound on her tum. Dogs are so amazing. Major surgery and she still stood up and wagged her tail when I went to collect her. Donations to my veterinary fund can be sent to........... - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: re: ryan adams doing to wrong NJC this is the rest of my message i just sent but it cut this part off, for some reason. reyou know, you have a point. but look at the bright side, at least they never had to go through a shitty, too big for their britches, can't write a decent song to save our band phase like REM (blasphemy!) or U2. they never exploded in popularity, but they never had to go searching to regain their integrity or rediscover their true sound. does that make sense? alison e. in slc np: lo-fi tennessee mountain angel. whiskeytown "you say you wanna play country...but you're in a punk rock band..." Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:41:48 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Anima Rising OK, so am I the only person who can't keep from smirking when I sing this line? (I have to enunciate so clearly that it winds up distorted and saying precisely what I'm trying NOT to say...) lol Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:50:58 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Deep question about accents NJC Since we're on the subject of accents, there's something I've been pondering for a while and I'm wondering if anyone has an answer. (Maybe I'm pathetic, but this fascinates me...) I would like to know how so many accents and dialects can spin off of one language. I know this happens with other languages, but if you think about English, there are so many in the UK, the US, Australia, New Zealand, etc. How did they get to be so radically different? Kerry NPIMH - Macy Gray, "Sweet, Sweet Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:53:59 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: work-related question NJC could you please tell me, if you live in or near a major city , what is the biggest, or oldest, or most renown independent bookstore in your city? if its a bn or borders, i'd like to know that too, i suppose. i am trying to get a general feel of the independent bookstore market in the US right now. respond off list, please. thanks, alison e. in slc Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:04:14 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: accents NJC In a message dated 2/8/02 3:46:32 PM, kate@katebennett.com writes: << how about richard thompson? >> Looking into my crystal ball, I predict that we will see a post from Debra Shea very soon . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:16:36 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: RE: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC you have a beeeeeutiful accent wally! i love to listen to you speak. heather At 12:00 AM 2/7/02 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: >before i am flamed beyond recognition for being un-PC, let me say i have a >foreign accent so i am kind of like entitled to do ''B&N latina girl'' at >leisure. >wally, who also reads essays as ''nordic dramatic soprano speaking >english'', ''sobbing julie andrews in sad part'' and ''macho tv chef from >the bronx''. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:19:07 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@snet.net Subject: Re: Old Farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) leaving out the Depends ... you guys are bringing back too many memories for me! orange barrel and cold duck ..... man those were the years! heather At 07:08 PM 2/6/02 -0800, Kakki wrote: > > Sounds great, although my first thought was of bad brown acid and Depends! > >Naw, more like Boone's Farm and Zig Zags ;-) > >Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:19:53 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Deep question about accents/"The Story of English" NJC In a message dated 2/8/02 5:44:31 PM, Kerry writes: << How did they get to be so radically different? >> Hi, Kerry: A few years ago, PBS aired a series entitled "The Story of English." You can probably get video tapes of the series from any good-sized library, since I was able to borrow them when I lived on Martha's Vineyard, which has a pretty small library system. This series is fascinating. It starts with the beginnings of English -- with its Anglo-Saxon, Germanic and French influences -- and then chronicles how this amazing language grew and mutated as it spread throughout the world. I think it's one of the best series PBS ever produced, and it's "must-see TV" for anyone who is facinated by the English language. English killed Esperanto! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:21:27 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: accents NJC > Easy there, Tex. Was Northam's character from Texas? Just because he > visited the town doesn't mean he had to talk the talk, so to speak. But Gil, we were talking about accents. But, he could have been trying to just sound American, I suppose. > > >The > >entire movie was ridiculously silly. In Happy, Texas, they would not put up > >with a couple of homosexuals for more than a few moments and the movies > >premise that they were somehow accepted is not true. Sure, there may be > >homosexuals performing the stereotypical tasks in towns like these but they > >don't come out and say they are queer. If so, not very loud. And if they > >do, they don't last long. The Texas Panhandle is the bastion of the > >Baptist, church of Christ, and Methodist churches. They don't tolerate this > >kind of thing. > > a. It was a movie. > b. It was filmed in California. All of it. That is my point Gil. We discussed this a while back. Hollywood takes major liberties with their films and often do not put much effort into being accurate. I mentioned then the mountains they show in the background in the silly "Dill Scallion" movie when not only are their no mountains anywhere near Muleshoe, Texas, there are no hills either. Others pointed out more examples. The one I remember the best is some inaccuracy concerning D.C. > > Did the rest of the actors sound remotely Texan to you. What was that > accent Steve Zahn had? As with most productions that are supposed to signify Texas, it did not, nor did the actors. I will have to watch it again. I am not sure who Steve Zahn is. Flicks that have done a good job representing Texas and the accents, customs, behavior are "The Trip to Bountiful" and ( I am getting old because I cannot think of the name of it) the one with Sally Field that she won the Oscar for. With Danny Glover, John Malkovich. Picking cotton, etc. > > And while we're at it, does Texas have regional accents, as does > California? Really good question Gil. I would say yes. I spent the first 27 years in the Panhandle for the most part) and the people there do not sound like the ones here. I would be unable to say just what the difference is. In those years I lived there I was asked (and if I had money for every time I was asked I would be a rich man today) if I was a Yankee. I would hear myself on tape and it didn't sound like my voice but, of course, it was. It was very smooth with nary a trace of Texas. I did not sound like the others. That is no boast. I would much rather have sounded like they did After living here these years, I can now hear myself on tape and I do have a noticeable accent. My old friends and acquaintances say I sound like a hillbilly. That covers the Panhandle and Central Texas. As far as the rest of it, I don't know. Haven't noticed a real difference between the accent in the Panhandle and those in Ft. Worth. This area is rather isolated, like a throwback to something. Down south,???? Donna Binkley could probably answer that one. Great discussing with you gil, great posts. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:23:47 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: foreign accents NJC I've really enjoyed reading all these posts about the various accents. Someone (sorry, I can't remember who) expressed surprise that there were accents within American accents. Often, there are many within a single state - - I just love the variety in Louisiana. There is one in particular that I think is unique to New Orleans that almost sounds like a Brooklyn accent. What is that called? Paz? I'm born and raised in Texas and according to non-Texans, I have a Texas accent. When I was in high school, I went on a student trip to Europe, and one of the countries we visited was the Soviet Union. Now, this was about 1970, so everyone was kinda jumpy. Back then, no one we encountered spoke English other than our guides, so talking to the average Russian was impossible. But, one day while touring a museum in Moscow, my little group of 10 or so noticed we were being discreetly followed and eavesdropped on by a young woman. She finally got up her courage and introduced herself to us. She was an English teacher on holiday in Moscow, and she had been listening to our English trying to keep up with the conversation, but she was having difficulty. She said she realized we were American, but she seemed to be baffled by our "phonetics". It took us a minute to realize that she meant the Texas drawl!! We tried to explain as best we could that there were regional accents in the U.S., but I don't think she got it. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:29:38 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: accents NJC Gil asks: "And while we're at it, does Texas have regional accents, as does California? And can you hear the difference in accents between Georgia and Tennessee, N'Orleans and No'th Ca'lina?" In a word, Yes. Texans and Southerners can make the various distinctions, but I'm not sure others can. It's like the Northeast - they mostly all just sound Yankee to me, but I know there are variations. Sybil (ain't language a fascinatin' thang) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 18:29:49 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: shelley/bolognini NJC At 05:59 PM 2/7/02 -0600, Dolphie Bush wrote: > And how about "The Poseiden >Adventure?" She was grand. Have you read her autobiography? This woman >knew what she wanted and went out and took it. I admire Shelley Winters. >And she wasn't always a B actress. There was a long period where she was on >the Hollywood A list. i always get all teary eyed when shelly winters dies in the poseidon adventure. heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:43:46 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Anima Rising okay I have repeated the two words to myself slow and fast and don't get what you mean! anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > OK, so am I the only person who can't keep from > smirking when I sing this line? (I have to enunciate so > clearly that it winds up distorted and saying precisely > what I'm trying NOT to say...) > > lol > Anne - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:37:50 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: (njc) Re: Mongolian Stir-fry I thought Chop Suey was Japanese but am no expert. In college I worked for a Chinese couple. They had come to the states and opened up their restaurant but had spend most of their adult lives in China. Had initially been in San Francisco, don't know how they ended up in Texas. It was a great experience. The menu (I was a waiter) had all the usual dishes that Americans eat at Chinese places. Mrs. Tung told me that your average Chinese person doesn't eat those dishes on a regular basis and that Chow Mein was an American creation, not Chinese. She and Mr. Tung and the children did not eat it. After work every night she would cook up something different. Not once was it something that I had seen or heard or ; and haven't to this day seen any of it again. She would prepare a main dish and place it in the middle of the table. The four of them would eat small portions of it with their rice. They held the little bowls and the chopsticks in their hands and ate bowl after bowl of white rice. I thought to myself that I were Chinese I would starve to death. Mrs. Tung was very odd, to me. Worked very hard. Small, with a round and totally Chinese featured face upon which she had a pair of black eyeglasses. Like the kind they wore in the fifties and sixties and even early seventies. I had some in junior high. Ugh. She smoked constantly and would have me bring her ice coffees throughout the shift. When she yelled at me, she would yell "gaosequan". I would enter the kitchen and there she would be, holding up her spoon, with the cigarette dangling from her mouth, yelling. I am sure the spelling for that is wrong but that is what she called me. She told me that in China the stick that stirs the shit is called that. Not very flattering, is it? I think of her affectionately now and I will always be her gaosequan. But darn, could that woman cook. In the summer with the tourist trade, because of the proximity of Palo Duro Canyon, it was always crowded. During the school year, we hardly had any customers, while the steakhouse down the road was packed everynight. It was disheartening for her. She put to bed, for me, most of the ideas I had about Chinese people. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:49:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Deep question about accents NJC I don't know but would guess it has to do with the lack of movement way back when. i.e people tended to stay with their 'tribe' and not travel much. So the 'tribes' or groups were isolated from eachother. They probably spoke different languages too but as one language began to spread, it wa assimilated by all the groups but each spoke it their way. In facet some accents are also dialects and the language can be quite different and misundertsandigns arise.(I noticed this in the USA. i was surprised to discover how different American and English were). Here in the UK we have loads of accents and the distance between places is small. Just 50 miles can make a huge difference in accent. kerry wrote: > Since we're on the subject of accents, there's something I've been pondering > for a while and I'm wondering if anyone has an answer. (Maybe I'm pathetic, > but this fascinates me...) I would like to know how so many accents and > dialects can spin off of one language. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:44:28 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Deep question about accents NJC that is a really interesting question Kerry. I, too, have often wondered why we do not speak with an English accent. Also, when I think back to the early colonists and George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. Wonder if they had an english accent because have never thought of them having one. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 23:58:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: (njc) Re: Mongolian Stir-fry Dolphie Bush wrote: > I thought Chop Suey was Japanese but am no expert. Chop Suey is an 'English' chinese dish, rather like you say Chow Mein is an American Chinese dish. None of the food we get here in Chisese restaurants/take aways is what i would call Chinese. i spent 4 years in Singapore where I ate authentic Chinese(various diferent Chinese too-Madarin, Hokkien, Cantonsese etc), Malay, Indian, Indonesian and othet types of food. it was all wonderful and I have never had the like since. here in the UK the Chinese and Indian food outlets are all selling English versions of their foods. In certain parts of London(and I ams ure in otjer large cities with large Asian pops)I was able to eat Indian food that other Indians ate. I was never able to eat what i saw Chinese people eating even in Soho because although it was obvious that the Chinese customers were eating different food to the Euro customers, the staff were never helpful and insisted we ate from the menu. Interestingly, or not, and Idian meal leaves me satified and fine the next day. A 'Chinese' meal leaves me hungry and hungover the next day. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 00:01:30 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Deep question about accents NJC I would think becasue although your common language is English, many nationalites were involved. I have noticed that people from, I think, Minnesota, sound very like people from Scandinavia do when they speak English. I think this state had a lot of scandanavian settlers. It may not be Minnesota but I think you will know the state I mean if not. Dolphie Bush wrote: > that is a really interesting question Kerry. I, too, have often wondered > why we do not speak with an English accent. Also, when I think back to the > early colonists and George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. Wonder if > they had an english accent because have never thought of them having one. > > mack - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:18:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Replacements/REM NJC << does that make sense? >> It makes very good sense...though I cut REM more slack than most, I agree that it's hard to maintain that huge popularity, indeed lots of artists don't even try. Joni took off on a very non-commercial tangent at the height of her popularity. I wonder if (especially in the case of REM) they subliminally wanted to 'downsize' themselves so they intentionally took risks to lose some of their audience. Now I'm the one who wonders if he makes sense... Bob NP: Linda Perhacs, "Sandy Goes" (Thanks Cindy! reminds me of STAS...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 16:47:57 -0800 From: The New Guy Subject: Joni's March, 1974 Seattle Concert! Hi again! I got so tired of trying to navigate the digest, that I broke down and took Ashara's advice and re-subscribed to the total list so I could better enjoy the posts. Strangely, I dined at the Madonna Inn just a few months ago. I always love stopping in while crossing the state. Just to further introduce myself, after a brief "brush" with ya'll a couple of weeks ago, I found this group after a trade with someone for some Dirk Hamilton stuff resulted in me getting the 4 CD tree from here when the trade extended itself. (How do they do that?) I learned of this group when I saw the joni-list url on the back of the artwork that I was sent. Anyway, back in 1974 I was living in Seattle and had the pleasure of seeing Joni's concert there. I even photographed it. I was fortunate enough to trade a copy of her May 7, 1983 Verona concert to someone here for a copy of that Seattle show! Because I love designing coverart for myself (and if you visit my webpage you'll see I've taken monstrous liberties with the coverart for the 4 CD set) I realized that the time had come for a sort of "re-release" of the Seattle show with all new, original artwork based on my original photos! So ... if anyone doesn't have this show, I'd sure like to trade it (with the art) with you guys and maybe, in the process, pump up the (acoustic) volume of my Joni collection in the process. The artwork (which I haven't quite finished) will be available on my site for those of you who already have the show... unless someone is driven to trade me great music for my artwork! Nick (the new guy) http://boootlegs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:55:16 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: [none] welcome nick. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:58:07 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: njc oops, sorry. njc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:48:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: RP NJC (or, those Mitford Girls) catherine!!!!!!! i am speechless. i too loved the sun king!!!!! separated at birth, you and i. love, wally >>>>>>>>>>... A big me three on the Mitfords--I have been carting around a copy of "The American Way of Death" for years now, but have to give a special shout out to Nancy's "The Sun King," which is an incredibly engaging portrait of life at the court of Louis XIV. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:55:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: accents NJC oh baby oh baby oh baby! phonology gives me orgasms! i just have to keep this thread going and DISSERT!!!!!!! i have to go now. but i'll be back with WHY SO MANY ACCENTS. stay tuned. wally, orally enhanced ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:00:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: my accent NJC what does it sound like to you? i am so curious!!!!! i get the most diverse comments on my accent. in fact, those of you that have heard me: how do i sound to you? why is it that when people don't know that i'm from argentina, they think i'm either american or even canadian? last weekend three guys from los angeles ''guessed'' i was from new york. and then a canadian tenor a few years ago asked me what part of canada i was from. hello? wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Enviado el: Viernes, 08 de Febrero de 2002 08:17 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org Asunto: RE: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC you have a beeeeeutiful accent wally! i love to listen to you speak. heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:03:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Anima Rising if you say really fast it sounds like enema rising. - -----Mensaje original----- De: colin [mailto:colin@tantra-apso.com] Enviado el: Viernes, 08 de Febrero de 2002 08:44 p.m. Para: anne@sandstrom.com CC: BigWaltinSF@aol.com; wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Anima Rising okay I have repeated the two words to myself slow and fast and don't get what you mean! anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > OK, so am I the only person who can't keep from > smirking when I sing this line? (I have to enunciate so > clearly that it winds up distorted and saying precisely > what I'm trying NOT to say...) > > lol > Anne - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:13:36 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Johnny Guitar NJC > And she's the voice of the devil in The Exorcist. > > imdb.com list 30 movies, tv movies, and tv series she's done. > > Gil > By gosh by golly that's right! Forgot about that one! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:20:08 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: work-related question NJC san francisco, city lights bookstore sacramento, ca., towers books when they first started in the sixties. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison E" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:53 PM Subject: work-related question NJC > could you please tell me, if you live in or near a > major city , what is the biggest, or oldest, or most > renown independent bookstore in your city? if its a bn > or borders, i'd like to know that too, i suppose. i am > trying to get a general feel of the independent > bookstore market in the US right now. > respond off list, please. > thanks, > alison e. in slc > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:32:54 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Deep question about accents NJC > that is a really interesting question Kerry. I, too, have often wondered > why we do not speak with an English accent. And my question to you is where was the language spoken first? So who has the accent? Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:34:45 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Deep question about accents NJC > I would think becasue although your common language is English, many > nationalites were involved. > I have noticed that people from, I think, Minnesota, sound very like people > from Scandinavia do when they speak English. I think this state had a lot of > scandanavian settlers. It may not be Minnesota but I think you will know the > state I mean if not. You've got it right. It's Minnesota. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:04:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (njc) Dingoes and Kiwis and Bears, Oh My!!! - --- hell wrote: > Bob > Muller started the whole thing at Jonifest 2001, > trying to imitate my accent > by saying "The dingo ate my baby!" Unfortunately > I'm not Australian, and > Bob sounded more like he should be wandering the > Yorkshire moors, than > throwing a few shrimps on the barbie (sorry Bob, but > you have to be told!) > > The "joke" has now become ingrained in JMDL culture > (much to my dismay) and > I'm forever branded as "the dingo woman". God damn > it. The joke IS wearing > thin, trust me! Hell, you have the patience of a saint. I'd have strangled him by now. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Apology NJC - --- Gil Lamont wrote: > But if I *hadn't* labeled that post njc I would have > committed another > breach of etiquette. Do you mean that the > non-NJCers, for whom the post > would have meaning, never read my apology and so > I've wasted horrendous > amounts of bandwidth? > > This is Catch-22, if ever I saw it. > Yeah, it's great, isn't it? Those on the njc list(s) don't receive the posts marked njc. (Heh-heh-heh.) ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:15:15 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Anima Rising In a message dated 2/8/02 6:05:31 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << enema rising. >> Or, as i just posted to Anne, in New England at least it could be misconstrued as "Enema Icing", an equally disturbing image. lol fondly, woooooawltuh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:37:31 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Minireport on SF Microfest (njc) Hi, gang, Just a quick note about our get-together. We've got two problems -- one is to find a place that's quiet enough for all of us to be able to chat and actually get to know each other -- and the other is to find a day of the week that's both a weeknight and a weekend night. The latter may be difficult. On to Wednesday night: My main squeeze Robert was too tired to come this time, so I went alone; I snagged the front table at the place, as usual, had dinner and waited for the rest to arrive. The only two others who came while I was there were Richard G. and John G., both of whom I've gotten to know in the last few months. We chatted as audience members and performers alike arrived. The cool thing about sitting at the front table is that you get to see every tiny change in expression as the singers sing. And you get to hear them better, too -- given that this place is totally acoustic -- I don't know whether the nice manager, who is so supportive of singer-songwriters, actually forbids it out of kindness to nearby residents (there is a flat directly above the place), or what, but it pays to get there early and grab the front table. The three of us sat together, along with two of the performers and their friends. In order, there were Garrin Benfield, who MCs and performs every first Wednesday at the Bazaar, a singer/songwriter from L.A. named Sacha Sacket, and a woman named BeRN who sings what she calls "frock" -- a mixture of folk, pop and punk, as I beleive she describes it. Garrin was as great as usual, and Sacha was a marvel -- plays both guitar and piano, both masterfully and with a distinctivwe style; the closest I can come to describing him is sort of a male Tori Amos/Kate Bush -- he becomes a character, and paints an impressionistic picture of him/her with his lyrics. He's charmingly shy to talk to, and cuter than a bug's butt (dark hair, blue eyes). BeRN, truth to tell isn't great a singer or player, but she largely makes up for it with wit. She's clearly influenced by Patti Smith, and did a new piece dedicated to her that was half spoken, half sung, and funny. I was exhausted, and had to leave early, so i missed the one "joni Moment" of the evening (as described yesterday by Richard G.), and I also, to my chagrin, missed Darice. Sorry, kiddo. I won't be so tired next time! It was a great evening, but I really have to find a place where more of us can meet, on a weekend night, so more people can come, and we can chat and get to know one another. I have a lead, from a friend, for a place that sounds promising, and i hope to have news soon for the SFBayJMDLers for a weekend night get-together. Warmly, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 22:14:21 -0600 From: johnirving Subject: The Wolf that lives in Lindsey. Cool subject. I just loved this song from the moment I heard it. Brilliant Guitar work. Great use of an open tuning. By this point in her career, Joni says she writes the music then looks for themes and words that fit the melody line. Here, the melody and imagery of the guitar play are so spot on the concept of the song, it's hard to believe the concept did not come first. Wolves or no. Anyways, I too believe that Lindsay is a person (or composite of persons) addicted to cocaine, but worse, given to spells of moral lapses. As to the lyric line: "The stab." refers to injecting drugs. "and glare", that lost glazed look of someone strung out . (I know a kid hopelessly strung out on drugs. -He had this crazed look in his eyes when he was too far gone. Very scary sight.) "and buckshot" refering to the kick of the drug. "The blizzards come and go." to me, refer to a user that goes in and out of bouts of addiction. They manage a few weeks clean, then lose the battle again. "He get away with murder." I don't think she means literally, but figuratively. Addicted people can rationalize almost any kind of behavior. -Much of it easily forgotten. A great imagery song. I wonder what the melody was like when she first composed it. As I recall, back then, she mentions that during the period of making Mingus, she would work from a standard melody that nobody knows. Then, as she would write (find words) to fit the melody, she would go up or down a note to give the word a natural inflection. I picture her putting the guitar in this new tuning and with great passion discovering the chords and imagery. It's a very stark sound and she plays it to the hilt. It's almost as amazing as Yvette in English. God, what a beautiful string of chords. How does she do it????? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 23:51:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Photos from Graham's B-day party Check out these cute photos from the party at the Madonna Inn, including Croz in the pink bunny suit! http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/Bday.html And doesn't the lead singer in this one, all glammed- up, look like someone we know? http://www.grahamnash.com/pages/singer.html It's great to hear that Joni's partying with the boys again. Kakki, who never got inside the Madonna Inn but always wanted to stay in the Polar Bear room (which they seem to have retired) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #66 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?