From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #63 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, February 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 063 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: dingoes and accents NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Best of Covers (a question) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Best of Covers (a question) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Best of Covers (a question) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Harlan Ellison (NJC) [] BigWalt and Darice and JohnG all miss the Joni moment! (njc) [Richard Gol] Re: Old Farts met the 60's and Abilene VLJC [Randy Remote ] BigWalt, Darice and JohnG all miss the Joni moment! (njc) [Richard Goldma] Re: All this talk about the Sixties [Gil Lamont ] Re all this talk about the 60s VLJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Re all this talk about the 60s VLJC [Gil Lamont ] memories of Monterey -and the Airplane (njc) [] Re: accents NJC [colin ] Re: CD's NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: memories of Monterey -and the Airplane (njc) ["Kakki" ] Who's the Wolf, and Where is Lindsay? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Re: memories of Monterey -and the Airplane (njc) [] Rock and Roll ohots in Q mag(njc) [] Re: Janis NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC ["John van Tiel" ] Re: NP: Buddy/Julie Miller, "The River's Gonna Run" (njc) / uncut magazine sa... [Fauchj] Re: Johnny Guitar NJC [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC [colin ] Can you help me? NYC jmdlers(njc) [] re: reading posts with an accent...VLJC [wolf ] Re: shelley/bolognini NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Janis NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Fwd: Horrendous Personal Ads (njc) [jan gyn ] Fwd: Obvious Headlines (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: accents NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Janis NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Janis NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] Fwd: Yuppie Sex (njc) [jan gyn ] [none] ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC [colin ] Re: Fwd: Horrendous Personal Ads (njc) [colin ] Re: Janis NJC [colin ] Re: Janis NJC [colin ] accents NJC [colin ] Re: Janis NJC [Susan Guzzi ] RE: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: accents NJC [] Re: Fwd: Horrendous Personal Ads (njc) [Catherine McKay ] RE: accents NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: accents NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: accents NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 10:59:54 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: dingoes and accents NJC colin wrote: > Do English actors speaking in an Amrican accemnt sound terrible to you? Yes! Mick Jagger's country twang has always been amusing because I am sure it sounds authentic to him. Nicole Kidman does an excellent American. The worst English accent I ever heard was Robert Redford in "Out of Africa"..I was astounded it was so pathetic and could not get past it and enjoy the movie. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:55:54 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of Covers (a question) In a message dated 2/7/2002 1:29:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > MY top 15 (in no order): > > All I Want - Lydia van Dam > Black Crow - Will Taylor > Blue Motel Room - Lorraine Gervais > Both Sides Now - Jason Falkner > Conversation - Anni Clark > Eastern Rain - Fairport Convention > Betty Buckley - I Had A King > Christine Sullivan - I Think I Understand > Little Green - Jack Donahue > Man From Mars - Chaka Khan > P.M. Dawn - Night In The City > People's Parties - Lydia van Dam > River - Dianne Reeves > Same Situation - Christine Collister/Clive Gregson > That Song ABout The Midway - Bonnie Raitt > This Flight Tonight - Rumba Club > Urge For Going - Shawn Colvin > Woodstock - CSNY > > WHAT??????? WHAT ABOUT JONI COVERS CD #4?????? I don't know where Bob's brain is today. Nuriel, all you need it to get Covers #4 and it pretty much sums up the best of There's Doris Day singing "BSN" And there's Leonard Nimoy singing "BSN" Also it has Anne Murray singing "BSN" Included is Jim Nabors singing "BSN" A wonderful renditon of Claudine Longet singing "BSN" Oh, and let's not forget my personal favorite, Jim Nabors singing "BSN" How Bob forgot about these, I'll never know. I guess he hasn't gotten over Kathryn Grayson singing, yes you guessed it "BSN" :~D You know I'm kidding Mr. Muller. It really would be difficult for me to do a Best of Covers, but someday I'll try. Jimmy (off to Hotlanta for the weekend) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:01:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of Covers (a question) <> LOL! Like I say, Jimmy it's in the eye of the beholder. And BSN's to come include Sandler & Young (remember them from Ed Sullivan?) and Tony Jacklin the pro golfer! Bob NP: Aretha, "Do Right Woman, Do Right Man" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:07:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best of Covers (a question) <> I'd be happy to make a "Best Of" with those selections if anybody wants a copy. Not sure if they'll all fit on a CD, but I can usually get 18 tracks on one. <> Yes, I did misunderstand...and I agree with you 100%! :~) Bob NP: Aretha, "Dr. Feelgood" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:19:54 -0500 From: Subject: Harlan Ellison (NJC) Gil, Did you say Harlan Ellison?!?!?!!?!? Dangerous Visions?!!?!?!!? I can still remember reading Carcinoma Angels ( and how relevant it was 30 years later when my husband, who owed a Harley) was diagnosed with cancer. I also remember Harlan saying that DV #3 was "sitting under his desk"; this was in 1973 or 4. Even more memories..... Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:25:32 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: BigWalt and Darice and JohnG all miss the Joni moment! (njc) Last night at the end of the Bazaar Caf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:27:31 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Old Farts met the 60's and Abilene VLJC Alison E wrote: > and "steal this book" is also great, but if you're > overloaded with books at this point, rent > Steal this Movie, an excellent adaptation of the book > starring Vincent D'Onofrio (sp?) as Abby and Janeane > Garafolo as his wife Anita and a whole bunch of other > great people. I found this movie enjoyable, too, not just because I'm a Janeane Garafolo fan. I would add that Ashara's original quest was for books that would help her understand the hippies, not the 60's per se. I prefer the term counterculture-'hippy' like 'beatnik' seems to me more a media term, and in most places a term of derision akin to 'white trash', a stereotype often predicated by 'dirty'. I'm sure there are good books on this phenom, just don't know what they are. Would recommend "The Last Whole Earth Catalog" and old issues of the "Whole Earth Review" (which became "The Coevolution Quarterly" , one issue of which carried a Joni Mitchell interview (probably in the jm.com database (?) ). RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:29:55 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: reincarnation NJC colin wrote: >I said a lot more in my post and i suppose i am disappointed it was ignored. I started a long reply to you before I decided that I was unnecessarily proselytizing, and stopped myself. Some of us may have very clear religious ideas. It might be hard to get into a discussion without preaching. I wasn't ignoring you, I was exercising self-restraint. Sorry. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:28:22 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: BigWalt, Darice and JohnG all miss the Joni moment! (njc) whoops: sorry about that: hit the 'send' button by accident. Last night at the Bazaar Cafi, the last performer, BeRN, a queer Irish folksinger, started the final set with a Joni quote: "Joni Mithchell said, you can get at least 2 good songs out of each relationship. One going in, and one going out.". You guys missed that! The whole night was rather remarkable. I'm sure Walt will fill you all in on more and ... he has ideas about a pre-Jonifest gathering up here. Right Walt? Richard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:33:40 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: All this talk about the Sixties Mike wrote: >What with all this reminiscing about the 60s and 70s in the USA I thought >Id mention a few important musical highlights of my formative years over >the pond in the uk. I remember it as if it were yesterday. The Isle of >Wight Festival, July 1970. Catching the ferry from Dover to Freshwater >Bay and taking the train to the festival site (sight?). Four days of >wonderful music, except for Hawkwind playing every night in the canvas >city. All the big names were there; Tiny Tim, a weird American singer >who, as everyone knows, took his name from a character in a book by >Thackeray. > >But lets cut to the chase; the reason we are all here Ms Mitchells >appearance. It's refreshing to note that the massive drug intake you must have experienced in your youth only sharpened your memory and heightened the details. You should teach history. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:41:31 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: CD's NJC Sharon wrote: >I have been burning a lot of CD's lately. For whatever reason, some >come up as duds and an error comes up and they are unusable. Putting on >my Heloise hat I believe these can be used as coasters...are there any >other uses out there? Minifrisbees (or chop sockey weapons). Christmas tree ornaments. Trivets. Mount two in a frame for extreme eyewear. Mount two in a frame for exotic underwear. What burning program are you using? I got lots of coasters with Easy CD Creator, but have lately switched to EAC and am stupidly happy. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:42:17 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re all this talk about the 60s VLJC >>It's refreshing to note that the massive drug intake you must have experienced in your youth only sharpened your memory and heightened the details. You should teach history.<< there's no future in teaching history mike in bcnnp John Coltrane 'Africa Brass Sessions' - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:49:06 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Re all this talk about the 60s VLJC Mike wrote: >there's no future in teaching history Try to get past that attitude. Put it behind you. Gil NP(Still Playing) Stephen Scott, New Music for Bowed Piano ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:58:26 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: CD's NJC I like the extreme eye wear! My burning program is Adaptec Direct CD. And I continue to remain stupidly happy...of course it does not take much for me to be happy. Peace......Sharon NP: Diane Jarvi "Aa Tuuti Lasta" Gil Lamont wrote: > Mount two in a frame for extreme eyewear. Mount two in a frame for exotic > underwear. > > What burning program are you using? I got lots of coasters with Easy CD > Creator, but have lately switched to EAC and am stupidly happy. > > Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:58:22 -0500 From: Subject: memories of Monterey -and the Airplane (njc) According to a site, the Monterey Pop DVD is due out this June, sure to have some of the "lost performances" Also, my 35-year old (at times erratic memory) keeps saying the Airplane played Sat NIGHT. The Airplane had had some commercial success, and Sat afternoon was for the new "SF Sound" so the Airplane and the Dead had the choice times of the evening shows, while Quicksilver, Country Joe, Big Brother, and(who else, help me here) appeared during the early show. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 20:12:49 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: accents NJC > No, most of them seem to master it fairly well. In recent memory Jeremy > Northam in HAPPY, TEXAS was great. > well how about that! I didn't know he was English! I saw the film. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:06:16 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: CD's NJC Sharon wrote: >I like the extreme eye wear! Don't be hasty here. Think about the extreme underwear ... > My burning program is Adaptec Direct CD. Try EAC. Shareware and the cost to register is a picture postcard. >And I continue to remain stupidly happy...of course it does not take >much for me to be happy. Me neither. Just everything my way and an endless supply of chocolate. And Joni, of course! Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:32:58 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: memories of Monterey -and the Airplane (njc) Darice, you kill me! I think you were a rival to Cameron Crowe back in the day. > Also, my 35-year old (at times erratic >memory) keeps saying the Airplane played >Sat NIGHT. I've got the original box set (on cassette) right here. The accompaying (stunning) booklet gives the line-up for Saturday night June 17: The Beach Boys, Booker T and the MG's The Byrds, JEFFERSON AIRPLANE, Hugh Masekela, Mopy Grape, Otis Redding Saturday afternoon was Big Brother, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield Blue Band, Canned Heat, Country Joe, Masekela, Steve Miller, Quicksilver Friday night - Association, Buffalo Springfield, Grateful Dead, Jimi, Laura Nyro, Lou Rawls, Simon and Garfunkel. Holy sh*t! I may have to relent and get a DVD player. Kakki NP: Jeff Beck - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat (remembering hearing Jeff and Jimi for the first time on my 16th birthday in '69) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:41:32 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Lithograph entitled "Joni Mitchell" My 2 centavos, Bob - do a search on the artist's background and try to determine if the autographs are authentic. Kakki NP: Jeff Beck - Shapes of Things > Wonder if any of the art cono-sewers out there can help me estimate the worth of this Joni item: > > It's a lithograph/etching portrait of Joni and is signed by the artist (Cynthia Marsh) as well as signed (on the back) by: > > Joni > Joel Bernstein > Norman Seeff > Glen Christensen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:49:04 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: California dream NJC Mack, You keep up all this sweetness and I'm going to relocate you to L.A. ;-) We were having fun and there was an amazing sense of togetherness back then that people from other places coming to town would remark about. We didn't live in a perfect world and had laughter and tears like everyone else, but there was something about the spirit of the place that could always lift one up. Did you know that the majority of people who came to SoCal in most of the 20th century had roots in Texas, Oklahoma and Iowa? That is probably partly why L.A. used to be defined as having no center - and it was just a collection of 100 small towns. The culture those people brought here went a long way in establishing the open and friendly, down to earth nature of the "natives." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:07:02 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Who's the Wolf, and Where is Lindsay? Hi, all, A short report about our micro-get-together last night here in SF (and a quick preliminary apology to Darice, that I had to leave before she arrived) to come later today, but in the meantime, a quick question: What's the story behind The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay? There are some clues, of course, but I'm not familiar with Lindsay (part of L.A/ Hollywood? If so, how come the blizzrds that come and go, or is that figurative/metaphorical?) and I don't know who the song is about who loved the ways of darkness, and whose sister loved a thief, and whose gramps loved an empire (the English?). Any volunteers? Thanks, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:16:24 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: memories of Monterey -and the Airplane (njc) Damn. I knew there was a good reason to not smoke pot, drop acid, eat mescaline, drink wine,.....What was I saying? Must have lost that train of thought, oh yeah, "just say no"! Darice(vivid memories of 30 years ago but can't remember while I walked into the bedroom or what I needed ) Kakki wrote: > Darice, you kill me! I think you were a rival to Cameron Crowe back in the day. > Also, my 35-year old (at times erratic >memory) keeps saying the Airplane played >Sat NIGHT. I've got the original box set (on cassette) right here. The accompaying (stunning) booklet gives the line-up for Saturday night June 17: The Beach Boys, Booker T and the MG's The Byrds, JEFFERSON AIRPLANE, Hugh Masekela, Mopy Grape, Otis Redding Saturday afternoon was Big Brother, Mike Bloomfield, Paul Butterfield Blue Band, Canned Heat, Country Joe, Masekela, Steve Miller, Quicksilver Friday night - Association, Buffalo Springfield, Grateful Dead, Jimi, Laura Nyro, Lou Rawls, Simon and Garfunkel. Holy sh*t! I may have to relent and get a DVD player. Kakki NP: Jeff Beck - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat (remembering hearing Jeff and Jimi for the first time on my 16th birthday in '69) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Old farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) Bob Murphy wrote: >sounds great, although my first thought was of bad brown acid and depends. Kakki wrote: > Naw more like Boone's farm and Zig Zags Well I offer this compromise - how about a Zig Zag the size of Depends. I still have the The Big Bambu Rolling paper from the Cheech and Chong album of the same name - somewhere around here. I would be willing to donate it to all the old farts! ;-) Peace Susan Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:33:37 -0500 From: Subject: Rock and Roll ohots in Q mag(njc) I heard Jim Marshall interviewed on the radio this morning. It seems as if Q magazine has published an issue with the top 100 R&R photos. Has anyone seen it? Darice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:58:19 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Janis NJC Fred Wrote: She's no Janis, no one is, but if a movie is to be made, Melissa just might do justice. Actually one of the Janis film projects did include Melissa. But I think that idea lost gusto once she stopped singing and tried to act. I fact have heard the Melissa version has been scrapped. I know I am "supposed" to be a big fan, and I have seen her in concert, but I am not. I think she rocks out all right, but I think she maybe one of those who's best writing (limited as it was) is behind her or she just doesn't have much left in the tank. And now, I think I will officially be thrown out of the Friends of Dorothy society. Peace, Susan Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:49:01 +0100 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC Bree asked: >> Sooo,Colin,John,Wolf,Hell,Laurent(French?)Willie do you guys ever read our posts with an american accent? Not really. Like Wally, when I have met someone, I hear his or her voice as I remember it. But for the rest ... no American accents. It also has to do with the fact that English - over here in Holland - is generally taught as British English ... spelling, pronunciation, choice of words. American English is secretly and snobbishly frowned upon, especially by people who are more into languages. Don't ask my why, but I was part of that snob-mob for twenty years, too. I would practice for hours to try to master a Birmingham accent, cockney rhyming slang, a Yorkshire accent or Geordie (Newcastle) sounds, American was never an option. The idea that there were accents in America was foreign to me. Oh yes, we knew about the southern accent (we watched Gone with the Wind & The Dukes of Hazzard), and we knew that New Yorkers said coowohffy when they meant that beverage that is - criminally - passing for coffee in the US, but no ... as English majors we did not assume that the US had any say in 'real English'. Gawd, I was an arrogant and pompous ass (arse) ... I never forget that my 19th century literature professor in Durham, Bleach (nomen est omen), said to me when I told him that I majored in American literature: "Isn't that a contradiction in terms?" Although I rated modern American writers very highly - still do -, deep down I thought he was funny. That's how much we were/are brainwashed here. Of course, all my language prejudices against American English have been entirely confirmed, now that I am staying in Baltimore regularly, just axe Clawdya. :-) Accents are handy, though. In America, I can aways speak fluent Dutch and frighten the hell out of everyone (Claudia: "Dutch is not a language, it's a throat disease"). And in Britain it's great to confuse people by speaking perfect Queen's English without any accent. Or switch to a Yorkshire accent. It only once got me into real trouble. When I was serving in an international NATO army exercise (I was the interpreter for the Dutch, Germans & British), wearing my Dutch Captain's uniform and speaking with a broad Belfast accent to a few British officers. Not a good idea. What's your accent like, Bree? John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:28:28 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Apology NJC Recently in a fit of youthful exuberance I posted a couple of responses without labeling them NJC. Even the simplest fool should have known that was a breach of newsgroup etiquette. Apparently I'm not the simplest fool. Suggestions on what kind of fool I am are welcome. In the meantime, I apologize for the inadvertant faux pas, and will do my darndest not to let it happen again. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:30:04 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: NP: Buddy/Julie Miller, "The River's Gonna Run" (njc) / uncut magazine sa... Buddy and Julie backed up Emmylou at the "Down from the Mountain" concert in DC Monday night. I've seen Buddy back Emilylou before, but never Julie. Was so impressed I bought the CD. Will let you know what I think later. Fauchja NP: Mannish Boy Muddy Waters ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 17:35:40 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Johnny Guitar NJC I'll have to check this one out! I've never been a huge Crawford fan, but have always been mildly interested. I got "Queen Bee" on DVD for Christmas, which she was great in...what else was Mercedes McCaimbrige in? (Is "Johnny Guitar" the cowboy movie?) Reuben Gil Lamont writes: > Bob> This one's so noir it fell through the other side. I never saw so much > scenery chewed until Burton & Taylor. > > Gil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:51:01 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC > Geordie (Newcastle) sounds, my other half is a Geordie. Fortunately, he was sent to private school and had electrocution lessons so does not speak with the accent. However, when he speaks to his family on the phone, it comes out much to my amusement! (ever seen Auf Viedersein(sp) Pet? If you have you will know why i am glad he lost it!) bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 22:52:31 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Janis NJC > And now, I think I will officially be thrown out of the Friends of > Dorothy society. hey Susan you are Girrrrl so you aren;t in the FODS anyway! > > > Peace, > Susan > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:09:35 -0500 From: Subject: Can you help me? NYC jmdlers(njc) I need to have a name researched for birth certificate, court judgments in NY City? Can anyone help me? I will be glad to pay all costs. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:33:48 +1100 From: wolf Subject: re: reading posts with an accent...VLJC Bree Wrote: >Sooo,Colin,John,Wolf,Hell,Laurent(French?)Willie do you guys ever read our >posts with an american accent? > heh - it might be a little early yet for me to read yer posts in accents - tho I do have a tendency to "hear" the private posts of my US pal Mary-Carol - from Canton, MO - in the dulcet tones of Marge Simpson! In reality, M-C has a beautiful, soft and elegant honey-like North American voice ....in fact, she's not a million miles from Joni, in regard to tone...(Of course I know the woman's Canadian - what, you think I don't get owt and abowt much?? ) but because she (M-C) says things like...."mmmm - 'Moon' was Kayleigh's first word!" - I hear that sort of grrrmmmmmphhhhh sound that Marge makes before she says *anything*...and then her gravelly tones reading the full message...quite distracting, really... I think I'd have to know y'all a bit better - tho (bound to be a few Homers in here somewhere....!) with regard to the New Zilland verus Orstralia thing, I can only quote my favourite New Zilland speak..... "Ah shut, Tum, I've put a dint in the Kombie.. .. " ~wolf of Oz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:59:17 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: shelley/bolognini NJC Wally. I, too, am a big fan of Shelley Winters. I have noticed that in some circles she is looked upon as some kind of buffoon. Not true though and as a matter of fact I have read or heard her say, can't remember, that the silly persona is one she created. Don't remember the reason but she is no dummy. As an actress. I rate her excellent. Her performance in "A Patch of Blue" was superb, to say the least. And how about "The Poseiden Adventure?" She was grand. Have you read her autobiography? This woman knew what she wanted and went out and took it. I admire Shelley Winters. And she wasn't always a B actress. There was a long period where she was on the Hollywood A list. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:03:46 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC Interesting discussion. I had not even thought about this before this started and now realize I do not hear the accents. After reading Colin's post I put his English accent, whatever variation of that might be and, of course, the one that I can manufacture in my mind, into the mouth of my vision of him. I liked it. It is that American love for the English accent I suppose. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:11:46 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Old Farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) I remember first seeing the Who at a nearby college (Madison NJ) sometime during the 60's. Its hard to imagine that such an huge band played such a small space (I think it was in the gymnasium)but those were the daze. They smashed their instruments. I was horrified, as it had taken me years to save up to by myself a nice guitar. >> The Who did Tommy and *didn't* smash their instruments -- bummer! -- and at the end rose petals showered down on everyone. Of course the music, all of it, was incredible.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:09:26 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Janis NJC Well I never! Thrown out of a club I don't even belong in? Actually, at least here in America it was used as a term by both men and women. I read it I believe in a lesbian book years ago and am at a loss for its title. "Twighlight girls and ... " something something. Damn can't find it right now. Peace Susan - --- colin wrote: > > > > And now, I think I will officially be thrown out of the Friends of > > Dorothy society. > > hey Susan you are Girrrrl so you aren;t in the FODS anyway! > > > > > > > Peace, > > Susan > > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > Passap > 6000, Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:19:20 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Horrendous Personal Ads (njc) >> BABY BIRD / Fed up with watersports? Constrained by >>traditional >> dominant- submissive roles? Try a more nurturing role: >>feed me like >> a baby pelican! Both sexes welcome. I supply the raw >>herring, you >> bring the big strap-on beak. No weirdos. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> Minimalist seeks woman >>____________________________________________________________________ >> Patriarch of up-and-coming religion seeks altar girl >>____________________________________________________________________ >> >> Jane no good, Cheetah stinks. Tarzan seeks swinging >>GM to be >> the lord of his jungle. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> SWM, old, fat, balding, many disgusting habits seeks >>SWF with >> money. Send pictures of your house, car, RV. This >>could be your >> lucky day. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> >> Hello, I am Neil, 52-years old and single. I have a >>12-year-old >> daughter that is my own, however, my former wife >>disappeared >> with her, two years ago somewhere in the Phillipines. >>I am an >> insurance agent and sold to myself large amounts of >>life insurance, >> which is very important now, in that I now have a >>spreading >> prostate cancer that is expected to kill me, within >>three years! >>____________________________________________________________________ >> >> JELLO BOY-SWM who likes to slowly fold canned fruit >>into >> jello, seeks female partner for distinctly American >>activities. Dirty >> pigeons need not respond. >> >>____________________________________________________________________ >> >> Superboy seeks Clarke Kent. Come fly with me. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Hideous-looking, obese, smelly, ill-tempered, lazy, >>cowardly, >> chronic, and a complete liar seeks total opposite. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> >> SWM into chainsaws and hockey masks seek likeminded >>SWF. >> No weirdos, please. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> SWM seeks 300lb+ woman to sit and squash doughnuts >>on me. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> Bitter, unsuccessful middle aged loser wallowing in >>an unending >> sea of inert, drooping loneliness looking for 24 year >>old needy >> leech-like hanger-on to abuse with dull stories, tired >>sex and Herb >> Alpert albums. Baby, you are my Tijuana Taxi. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> Me -- trying to sleep on the bus station bench, >>pleading with you >> to give me a cigarette; you-choking on my odor, >>tripping over your >> purse trying to get away; at the last moment, our eyes >>meeting. >> Yours were blue. Can I have a dollar? >>____________________________________________________________________ >> Three toed mango peeler searching for wicked lesbian >>infielder. >> Like screaming and marking territory with urine? Let's >>make >> banana enchiladas together in my bathtub. You bring >>the salsa. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> I like eating mayonnaise and peanut butter >>sandwiches in the rain, >> watching Barney Miller reruns, peeing on birds in the >>park and >> licking strangers on the subway; you eat beets raw, >>have climbed >> Kilimanjaro, and sweat freely and often. Must wear >>size five shoes. >>_____________________________________________________________________ >> There is a little place in the jumbled sock drawer >>of my heart >> where you match up all the pairs, throw out the ones >>with holes in >> them, and buy me some of those neat dressy ones with >>the weird >> black and red geometrical designs on them. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> Angry, simple-minded, balding, partially blind >>ex-circus flipper >> boy with a passion for covering lovers in sour cream >>and gravy >> seeks exotic, heavily tattooed piercing fanatic, >>preferably hairy and >> stinky, either sex, for whippings, bizarre sex and >>fashion consulting. >> No freaks. >>____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> When I was thirty my dates had to be young, slim, >>tall, >> handsome, rich, intelligent. Now I'm 64, they only >>have to know >> how to read and use the telephone! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:22:18 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Obvious Headlines (njc) >> 1. Study Finds Sex, Pregnancy Link >> Cornell Daily Sun, December 7, 1995 >> >> 2. Whatever Their motives, Moms Who Kill Kids still Shock Us >> Holland Sentinal, date unknown. >> >> 3. Survey Finds Dirtier Subways After Cleaning Jobs Were Cut >> The New York Times, November 22 >> >> 4. Larger Kangaroos Leap Farther, Researchers Find >> The Los Angeles Times, November 2 >> >> 5. 'Light' meals are lower in fat, calories >> Huntington Herald-Dispatch, November 30 >> >> 6. Alcohol ads promote drinking >> The Hartford Courant, November 18 >> >> 7. Malls try to attract shoppers >> The Baltimore Sun, October 22 >> >> 8. Official: Only rain will cure drought >> The Herald-News, Westpost, Massachusetts >> >> 9. Teen-age girls often have babies fathered by men >> The Sunday Oregonian, September 24 >> >> 10. Low Wages Said Key to Poverty >> Newsday, July 11 >> >> 11. Man shoots neighbor with machete >> The Miami Herald, July 3 >> >> 12. Tomatoes come in big, little, medium sizes >> The Daily Progress, Charlottesville, Virginia, March >>30 >> >> 13. Dirty-Air Cities Far Deadlier Than Clean Ones, Study Shows >> The New York Times, March 10 >> >> 14. Man Run Over by Freight Train Dies >> The Los Angeles Times, March 2 >> >> 15. Scientists see quakes in L.A. future >> The Oregonian, January 28 >> >> 16. Wachtler tells graduates that life in jail is demeaning >> The Buffalo News, February 26 >> >> 17. Free Advice: Bundle up when out in the cold >> Lexington Herald-Leader, January 26 >> >> 18. Prosecution paints O.J. as a wife-killer >> Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, January 25 >> >> 19. Economist uses theory to explain economy >> Collinsville Herald-Journal, February 8 >> >> 20. Bible church's focus is the Bible >> Saint Augustine Record, Florida, December 3, 1994 >> >> 21. Clinton pledges restraint in use of nuclear weapons >> Cedar Rapids Gazette, April 6 >> >> 22. Discoveries: Older blacks have edge in longevity >> The Chicago Tribune, March 5 >> >> 23. Court Rules Boxer Shorts Are Indeed Underwear >> Journal of Commerce, April 20 >> >> 24. Biting nails can be sign of tenseness in a person >> The Daily Gazette of Schenectady, New York, May 2 >> >> 25. Lack of brains hinders research >> The Columbus Dispatch, April 16 >> >> 26. How we feel about ourselves is the core of self-esteem, says >>author >> Louise Hart >> Boulder, Colorado, Sunday Camera, February 5 >> >> 27. Fish lurk in streams >> Rochester, New York, Democrat & Chronicle, January 29 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:20:21 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: accents NJC Gil, I will have to disagree with you on this one. I grew up close to Happy, Texas and did not find Mr. Northam's accent very true to form. The entire movie was ridiculously silly. In Happy, Texas, they would not put up with a couple of homosexuals for more than a few moments and the movies premise that they were somehow accepted is not true. Sure, there may be homosexuals performing the stereotypical tasks in towns like these but they don't come out and say they are queer. If so, not very loud. And if they do, they don't last long. The Texas Panhandle is the bastion of the Baptist, church of Christ, and Methodist churches. They don't tolerate this kind of thing. I wasn't privy to the town's public stance on this movie but I would bet money that the majority of the town was mortified by the movie and its content. \ One thing I have noticed in movies is that there seems to be a real problem for actors in distinguishing between a Texas accent and a Southern accent. They are not the same and many sound like Scarlett O'Hara as they try to sound Texan. mack > No, most of them seem to master it fairly well. In recent memory Jeremy > Northam in HAPPY, TEXAS was great. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:31:38 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Janis NJC I did not know books were grouped by sexual orientation. Very interesting. :) Susan Guzzi wrote: I read it I believe in a lesbian book years ago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:21:43 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Janis NJC How was it, Kate? mack > > LOL, I had their album! NP: turbulent indigo > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 16:24:59 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Yuppie Sex (njc) >>>How does a yuppie couple perform >>> doggie-style sex? >>> >>> He sits up and begs and she lies down and >>> plays dead. I'm not sure I get this but I still find it funny... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:28:15 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 00:42:01 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC > After reading Colin's > post I put his English accent, whatever variation of that might be and, BBC English so they say! I guess some would say it is posh. I don't have a regional accent. But this is down to having lived all over world as an army child. no time to get an accent except for the Oz one. But that went. I pick up accents easily. after my 2 weeks in New England firends back here noticed straight away i was speaking with an American accent. For the record, both my parents come from poor backgrounds. Mother(Gibraltarian) was raised with the whole family iin one room, father, aunt, great aunt and two sisters. Father(English from Eng/Irish) was one of 10 and lived in a small terraced house, his father working with his hands with steel or something I think. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:37:16 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: njc error, sorry. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 00:44:01 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Fwd: Horrendous Personal Ads (njc) > >>feed me like > >> a baby pelican! Both sexes welcome. I supply the raw > >>herring, you > >> bring the big strap-on beak. No weirdos. LOL!!! People can be so funny without even trying! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 00:54:30 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Janis NJC "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > I did not know books were grouped by sexual orientation. Very > interesting. :) not only that they come in hard and soft........ > > > Susan Guzzi wrote: > > I read it I believe in a lesbian book years ago - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 00:57:04 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Janis NJC Susan Guzzi wrote: > Well I never! Thrown out of a club I don't even belong in? > > Actually, at least here in America it was used as a term by both men > and women. it might well be here too. I have just never heard it said of a lesbian before. Besides, even if I am right, I'd let you join! Women are much nicer people. As long as they keep their hands to themselves and dont' try and recruit me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 01:00:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: accents NJC Accents certainly rate as far as attractiveness goes. I find the US accent in a man makes him more attractive to me(assuming he is attractive in the first place). They are stronger and deeper. Scottish accents too. The female verisons of these are very appealling too. In fact, American women seem to have deepr voices than British ones. Of course it depends where in America the accent is from and where in Scotland too. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Janis NJC Ahh Colin but you are falling under my spell, slowly falling in with the lesbians. Before you know it you'll be tossing all your eyeliner, masscarra and cha cha heels out! Then you'll want to get to know us really well before - you know. You are being recruited and there's not a damned thing you can do to stop yourself - or me! HAHAHAHAHAHAA! Okay am I ready to go back to work yet? Peace, Susan - --- colin wrote: > > > Susan Guzzi wrote: > > > Well I never! Thrown out of a club I don't even belong in? > > > > Actually, at least here in America it was used as a term by both > men > > and women. > > it might well be here too. I have just never heard it said of a > lesbian > before. Besides, even if I am right, I'd let you join! Women are much > nicer > people. As long as they keep their hands to themselves and dont' try > and > recruit me. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:17:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC oh puh-leeeeze, girl! i heard your english! you have more glottal stops than the bbc would EVAH tolerate. sloan square you ain't. :-) - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Jueves, 07 de Febrero de 2002 09:42 p.m. Para: Dolphie Bush CC: joni Asunto: Re: reading posts with a accent....your accent NJC > After reading Colin's > post I put his English accent, whatever variation of that might be and, BBC English so they say! I guess some would say it is posh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:19:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: accents NJC oh yes!!! like... LES ROSS!!!!!!! what a voice, what a bod! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Jueves, 07 de Febrero de 2002 10:00 p.m. Para: joni Asunto: accents NJC Accents certainly rate as far as attractiveness goes. I find the US accent in a man makes him more attractive to me(assuming he is attractive in the first place). They are stronger and deeper. Scottish accents too. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:49:04 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: accents NJC I always ask an English colleague in the university if a particular American actor was able to speak in credible British accent, and so far, I remembered him praising Gwyneth Paltrow in SLIDING DOORS, Julianne Moore in THE END OF THE AFFAIR. > >>Do English actors speaking in an Amrican accemnt sound terrible to you? > > No, most of them seem to master it fairly well. In recent memory Jeremy > Northam in HAPPY, TEXAS was great. I like Jeremy Northam ever since he appeared as a villain in the Sandra Bullock starrer THE NET. However, I take exception with his terrible Italian accent in THE GOLDEN BOWL -- it sounds so fake and obviously belabored. The last time I endured a fake accent was Nicolas Cage's in CAPTAIN CORELLI'S MANDOLIN. Thank God, John Hurt and Christian Bale did not bother to acquire the accent. In THE GOLDEN BOWL, Anjelica Huston's character was colorful but she was inconsistent with her British accent, so's with Uma Thurman. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:58:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fwd: Horrendous Personal Ads (njc) ROTFLMAO!!! Where do you get this stuff? I especially like this one: - --- jan gyn wrote: "Bitter, unsuccessful middle aged loser wallowing in an unending sea of inert, drooping loneliness looking for 24 year old needy leech-like hanger-on to abuse with dull stories, tired sex and Herb Alpert albums. Baby, you are my Tijuana Taxi." ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 19:59:19 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Northam njc accents and add to that his awful effort in the even more awful remake of "Gloria." I did like him in "The Net" too. mack. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 23:01:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: accents NJC julie andrews seems to be unable to do any accent at all!!! i remember she said that it took her months to be able to do eliza's accent. audrey hepburn always sounded so posh. although i would never find fault with anything she did, i was surprised that she was chosen to play the girl in breakfast at tiffany's. the girl is supposed to be from southern usa, and audrey sounded so RP all the time. like john van tiel, i was exposed to a lot of prejudice against american english in my youth. the only acceptable variety in this country was RP. even today prospective english teachers must attend phonetics laboratory sessions 12 hours a week for 4 years to acquire an RP accent. and very conservative RP, at that: no glottal stops allowed! wally, in my head making this e-mail sound as if eleanor roosevelt were reading it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:06:25 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: accents NJC Interesting reading about the feelings concerning American english. Me and those that I have known have always thought the British make a mess of "english." hehe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:21:58 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: accents NJC In a message dated 2/7/02 9:09:25 PM, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: << have always thought the British make a mess of "english." >> Yes! And why are there no captions on "English" movies? (Or movies made anywhere in the British Isles for that matter.) Did anyone in the US understand a word of "Trainspotting?" Posh/BBC I understand. But regional accents from the UK -- forget it. --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #63 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?