From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #60 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 6 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 060 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Janis NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: I Wish I Knew The Words (but i'm too busy singing:)) [Nuriel Tobias <] Failin' fingers and piano vs. guitar (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] (njcv) Meryl in "Defending..." and beyond [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] The Kiva [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: The Kiva [Les Irvin ] All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) [Gil Lamont ] Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) [Randy Remote ] (sjc) and Bob Dylan on Rubber Band Between Teeth and Music Stand... [BigW] Re: Wally Breese (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Hissing in Abilene... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Janis NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) [Alison E ] Boston are JMDLers...........(GCC) (Gregg Cagno Content) [AsharaJM@aol.co] Re: Janis NJC [colin ] Re: Sophies Choice (NJC) [colin ] accents njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Sophies Choice (NJC) [cvickery@danielrealty.com] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC [colin ] Re: Sophies Choice (NJC) [colin ] dingoes and accents NJC [colin ] Re: here come the olympics NJC LONG [Alison E ] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: Hissing in Abilene... [Nuriel Tobias ] oz/nz accents [colin ] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC [colin ] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC [colin ] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Old Farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] '60s Book (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #38 [KLCass21@aol.com] All this talk about the 60's now & Joni in Good Housekeeping?! ["kerry" <] Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) [Alison E ] sorry njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Chicago NJC [Vince Lavieri ] RE: Chicago NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:29:25 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Janis NJC in confusion, colin wrote: > > Gil, who was buff at 35 and will someday be buff again! > >what you were 35 the last time you were naked? Hang on, let me check. <32 bars of The Syncopated Clock go by.> Nope. I was naked this morning in the shower. >(that is what buff means here. my guess is it means something else >there) Depends on where your "here" is. Your "there" (my "here") is Sacramento, The Big Tomato, in the tarnished Golden State of California, ratcheer in the good old U S of A. Where are you, son? Removing my Ugly American hat, let me state for the record that "buff" in and of itself means in tippity toppity shape. Hunky (for guys). Babelicious (for girls). Hardbodied. When I was buff at 35 I had a 21-inch waist and a muscled torso from hauling rolls of paper around in a print shop. This was a coupla decades ago. Perhaps you're thinking of "butt naked," sometimes mispronounced "buff naked." Gil who right now is naked (under his clothes) and buff (in his mind and memory) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:28:02 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: I Wish I Knew The Words (but i'm too busy singing:)) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: "NP: Mike Flowers Pops, "Light My Fire" OK, Bob, once and for all - what is this place your at where there's always something playing? :) I mean - Mike Flowers Pops? :) Are you for real, man? :)))) Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:31:57 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Failin' fingers and piano vs. guitar (sjc) Hi, all, I was just reading Janine's story, and others' reactions, about Joni's playing piano at the Toronto Hommage, and it got me thinking. I know Joni had a bad early experience with piano lessons, and that she probably "thinks" in guitar rather than in piano, which she didn't really start experimenting with seriously until, what, 1969, BUT Since I have substantial nerve damage (neuropathy) in my hands from AIDS and from the drugs I have to take to stay alive, I was surprised to find when I picked up piano again recently for the first time in 25 years, that while my typing speed and accuracy have plummeted to 20-30% of their pre-damage years, I can play piano more like 80% as well. (Which may, alas, say more about how bad I was before, but anyhoo...) So given Joni's nerve damage from Post-Polio Syndrome and the difficulties that presents w/r/t her guitar playing, maybe she *should* return to composing more on the piano. IwishIwishIwish. ('Course, I don't care if she decides to compose on a rubber band held between her teeth and a music stand, as long as she continues playing and composing.) Looking forward to seeing some jmdlers tonight, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:40:09 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njcv) Meryl in "Defending..." and beyond Joseph said: <> Um, I thought I'd pitch in a comment -- I can't remember where i read this, can't give a citation, but I think the part went to Meryl partly because she and Brooks were friends, and partly because she was dying to do a part where she *didn't have* to do the extreme acting thing -- she was seeking a light part to show/prove she could do it. She later did "She-Devil" with Rosesanne to show/prove she could do broad comedy, and all six people who went out and saw it must have loved it, cuz she not much later got one of the plum roles in "Death Becomes Her" (in which, imho, Bruce Willis acted against type and did a good job). my two cents, walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The Kiva The Kiva, the place where Joni's last albums (not BSN) were recorded - anybody knows anything about this place? The article text search has no idea - me too - but one of you happy people should know. Thanks, Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:45:38 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: The Kiva At 2/6/2002 11:43 AM, Nuriel Tobias wrote: >The Kiva, the place where Joni's last albums (not BSN) were recorded - >anybody knows anything about this place? The article text search has no >idea - me too - but one of you happy people should know. It's actually in Joni's home in Bel Air... Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:08:31 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) Alison wrote: >i would seriously recommend watching woodstock, the >movie, though. all the way through. even through the >Sha Na Na part. ;-P "Jerry, turn off the mike!" >also--read the electric kool aid acid test by tom >wolfe. also any collections from Rolling Stone at about that time. >alison e. in slc. getting ready for the olympic torch >to roll into town....trivia question: where and when >did the running of the olympic torch relay start? olympia, greece, but i don't know when this year. the first olympic torch in modern times was at amsterdam in 1928. the first olympic torch relay was in 1936. gil who finds your lower case habits contagious and who hopes his local or cable news will broadcast gordon b. hinckley taking his turn carrying the olympic torch on friday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The Kiva Les, so help me God, when i asked about the Kiva i wanted to end the post by saying that i wouldn't be surprised if the Kiva is how Joni's named her living-room:) Honest! The albums recorded at The Kiva do sound homey - or should i say roomy? I mean, one can realy feel he's in the same room with Joni, you know what i mean... Thank you, Les! p.s. - Here's what i found about the term Kiva: (taken from the net) "The kiva is always the center of the mandala. It is the secret, hidden place where the sipapu meets the sky, the safe place where the past meets the future. The kiva is a place of refuge, a sanctuary from the unpredictability of the elements, a private and safe space combining the practical and spiritual dimensions of existence in one form, a womb of culture and vision, a special opening into the reality of mother. Kivas have been used like living rooms, the focal point for local clans, a place to stay warm on a winter's day or to keep cool during the summer months while relaxing. The larger kivas provided a place to smoke and discuss community business. At certain times of year, they were used as holy places, accomodating many people visiting from outside the canyon. At these times, there would be chanting, recounting of oral histories, relevant stories and teachings in preparation for rituals. The circle around a central fire pit is a natural mandala, tending to bring the participants into visual contact and intimate communication. The kiva is an architectural form designed to host the spirit of council fires and gatherings of all kinds which had once taken place outdoors or in caves and natural rockhouses." Nuriel - --- Les Irvin wrote: >At 2/6/2002 11:43 AM, Nuriel Tobias wrote: >>The Kiva, the place where Joni's last albums (not BSN) were recorded - >>anybody knows anything about this place? The article text search has no >>idea - me too - but one of you happy people should know. > >It's actually in Joni's home in Bel Air... >Les _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:42:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: Interesting discussions lately. I have been on a 60's "kick" lately, reading > . Does anyone have any good suggestions of > books or movies on this era? The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe would be required reading and should be readily available at used book stores, ebay, or amazon. NY straight writer captures an exciting portrait of Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters. This and the director's cut of Woodstock should get you there. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:04:47 +0100 From: "Mario De Tullio" Subject: Bridges of Madison County (NJC) > At first when you mentioned playing Joni on the accordion, I thought you were kidding (what's next, bagpipes?) -- but now I'm wondering... Do you really? It's hard for me to imagine. How does it sound? I break into giggling fits, think of Bob Kelly as JM with Georgia O'Keefe on the kazoo and Neil Young on the nose flute, and then you radiantly walking on stage with The Tart (lol) for a resplendent encore including Both Instruments Now, and Urge for Fleeing... I gotta stop. I'll wake up Robert in the other room. Gasping, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:42:45 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally Breese (njc) Hey, Jimmy, You wrote: <> I was just earlier today telling SCBob of my disgust with the fact that my copy of DJRD, one of my favs, is defective, too. Not sure how i could have missed it, but I didn't catch it on first listening, cuz I was just listening for major dysfunction -- skips, and the like. But on quieter listening, i discovered that the beginning of Overture is inaudible, so you have to push up the volue (I know it's supposed to be quiet, but I mean truly inadible), then abruptly it jumps up say 20 db, then the cd is fine until halfway thru P. Plains, when it dives again in the orchestral part and then picks up again about 30 seconds before the vocal/jazz band part starts up. Really annoying, but when i want to listen to DJRD, I just make sure I'm near the volume control. For you audiophiles: How does kind of thing happen? Bad pressing? Someone asleep at the wheel? At least, unlike poor Mack, I live in a city, and can get any of Joni's at any of several locations. 65 miles to Abilene!!! That's like driving the distance from SF to San Jose, and getting...Abilene. Hope no one finds your hidden Hissing, so you can get it next time, Mac. Hugs, Mac (and if I haven't said it lately, I hope your working situation, your parents and you are all well), Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:25:10 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Janis NJC Vince, Thanks for posting the website for Janis. I have to admit, I was never a really big fan, but I did see her live with Big Brother and the Holding Company when I was young, so I went to the site out of curiousity. Remember the friend whose dad owned a music store, and used to get us those free tickets, including Jimi Hendrix? Well, I was able to look up the date she came to Hartford, CT, and it was November 14 (Sal's birthday!!) 1968. I was all of 13 years old! I remember the warm-up band was The Ultimate Spinach. Never heard of them then or since. Thanks for the memories! Buy, do I ever wish I had a "list" like Mr. Dulson. :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:46:34 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) as you can all clearly see, randy remote and i are soulmates. alison e. in slc np: jeff bisch, the bischman. crucifix. what a great song! - --- Randy Remote wrote: > The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe > This and the director's cut of Woodstock should get > you there. > RR Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 7:49:26 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: Sophies Choice (NJC) Bree wrote: >Bridges Of Madison County. Loved this flick. Two of >the best scenes in that movie are.IMHO, is when >Eastwood and Streep are slow dancing in the >kitchen. Steamy or what? Then when Streeps husband >returns and they are driving in town and Eastwood is >driving in front of them. It takes everything this >woman has not to jump out of the truck and jump into >Clint's truck and into his arms. Streep played this >scene brilliantly you could actually feel her >yearning, her pain for Eastwood's character. I got Bridges of Madison County out on video recently. I hadn't seen it and really didn't expect to like it much. In fact, it sucked me in right from the start. I enjoyed it immensely and found it very moving. The sign of a good film is when you find it difficult to stop thinking about it for some time after. I couldn't get to sleep for ages! As Bree says, the scene in the truck as Clint's vehicle disappears in the rain is powerful. I guess most of you have seen Eastwood's film on Charlie Parker (Bird)? I enjoyed that one too. Clint is far more than a tough guy (though I love his westerns too!). John (in Sydney). PS. Would members of the JMDL please stop slagging off our dingoes!!! :-) __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:19:17 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Boston are JMDLers...........(GCC) (Gregg Cagno Content) The infamous Jonifest Maniac himself, Gregg Cagno, is playing in Framingham at Border's on Saturday night. Anyone want to meet there and have a mini JMDL get together? We can't let the Californians have ALL the fun!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:34:21 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Janis NJC > Where are you, son? in the UK > > > > When I was buff at 35 I had a 21-inch waist and a muscled torso what a shame...... > > > Perhaps you're thinking of "butt naked," sometimes mispronounced "buff naked." nope. here 'in the buff' means naked. Or was that in Oz where I used to live? > > > Gil > who right now is naked (under his clothes) and buff (in his mind and mine....... - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:36:58 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Sophies Choice (NJC) I generally don't care for Clit, but I did see him in a move not that long ago. Was it True Lies? Anyway, it was okay, but I was somewhat annoyed at his ridiculous ego in having such a young wife! Imagine a nearly 70 female actor having her on screen husband being at least 35 years her junior! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:33:36 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: accents njc these posts about accents are interesting. For some reason made me think of Joan Crawford. Don't remember the name of the movie but she is a spinster, dating a younger man. The man is being driven to insanity by his cheating wife and his father. They are having an affair. Very tawdry. Joan has a confrontation with the woman and calls her a "slut." She does it in such a way that made the movie. Have never heard anyone say the word with such venom, so deep down from inside, so guttural. Maybe only a fag would notice. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:39:34 -0600 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: Sophies Choice (NJC) Colin stated: <> for the record, please note that i am resisting comment.... it's just too easy a target. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 14:44:10 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC Colin: > > Where are you, son? > >in the UK I was born in London meself, but left when my age was still in single digits. > > When I was buff at 35 I had a 21-inch waist and a muscled torso > >what a shame...... Yes, it was such a chore finding comfortable clothes ... > > Perhaps you're thinking of "butt naked," sometimes mispronounced "buff > naked." > >nope. here 'in the buff' means naked. Or was that in Oz where I used to live? But I didn't say "in the buff" -- I said "buff." Here in the Colonies "in the buff" also means nekkid, but that's not the same as "buff" all by its lonesome. > > Gil > > who right now is naked (under his clothes) and buff (in his mind > >and mine....... I'm buff in your mind? My blushes! Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:37:01 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) Bree, you romantic you. I found that movie too chicky for me but know that most of American femalehood was taken away by it. I loved your post and your thoughts about that ride in the truck. Thanks mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:41:14 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) I agree Bob. That movie was a lemon. Always wondered why she even did it. I live Meryl and find her acting skills very good. There are so many fine performers that it is impossible for me to say one or the other is better. Kind of like what Hell said about music, everyone has different ideas, their preferences, etc. (paraphrasing). I did really like Meryl in the french lieutenants woman. That mysterious aura she portrayed was very nice. And Jeremy Irons. whoa. mack It was when she did that awful New Zealand movie about the horrible > New Zealand woman who fed her little New Zealand baby to that mean New > Zealand dingo. I think it was called "The Dingo Did It" or something like > that. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:44:53 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Janis and the gang NJC Don't believe in reincarnation but if I did, I want to live some of your life Kakki. Talk about California Dreamin. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:54:16 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) Yes, Ashara. Well, at least Michael and myself. Remember, you are Jenny Fields and we live on the beach, in that grand old house. There, we are free as birds and do as we wish, and love is the constant. mack to start a JMDL commune? ;-) > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:03:35 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) Alison, I will help you with the chickens and pigs for I like them both. I can't tell the difference between Australian and New Zealand accents either. Is there a difference? Hell? Then again, sometimes when watching a flick I will find myself wondering if the accent is British or Australian and often guess. More times than not, I am wrong. I love the way some Brits drop their H's. Have watched some flicks with Brits or Scots, and admit very ignorant on the subject, I flat out cannot understand what they are saying other than a few words here and there. Alison, go for the gold. hehe Or the silver, or the bronze. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:13:31 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Hissing in Abilene... njc Thanks Walt, you are so sweet. Yes, getting Abilene is well, like getting Abilene. Definitely not a spot for a vacation getaway or a spot for anything, for that matter. I hope you have a great time tonight and hoist one for me. I have long wanted to visit the bay and if I ever get lucky enough to do so, look for me to be finding you. my best, mack Also, Donna Binkley, if you are playing Austin next tuesday let me know. I am going there for a seminar and would love to hear you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:18:24 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Sophies Choice (NJC) Bravo Cindy. I can say without reservation that I, too, do not care for clit. Feeling nasty and unworthy now. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:25:07 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) > Does anyone have any good suggestions of > > books or movies on this era? > > Along with The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, I suggest reading 'Barefoot in Babylon.' It's a great book that sucks you in from the very start. It's all about Woodstock, but from it's conception. I think only the last three chapters detail the actual event. There's great stuff there as well, but you really are enlightened as to how it all came about and the red tape, obstacles and pitfalls these guys had to battle to make it all happen. It gives you a good sense of that time period. jody - who has to work Sat night and won't be able to see Gregg Cagno..WAHHH! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:42:31 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC > But I didn't say "in the buff" -- I said "buff." Here in the Colonies "in > the buff" also means nekkid, but that's not the same as "buff" all by its > lonesome. oh okay. we don't use that term here. we use hunky, built, muscly, toned, > > > > > Gil > > > who right now is naked (under his clothes) and buff (in his mind > > > >and mine....... > > I'm buff in your mind? My blushes! no need to blush I didn't imagine any action..... > > > Gil - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:42:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC > But I didn't say "in the buff" -- I said "buff." Here in the Colonies "in > the buff" also means nekkid, but that's not the same as "buff" all by its > lonesome. oh okay. we don't use that term here. we use hunky, built, muscly, toned, > > > > > Gil > > > who right now is naked (under his clothes) and buff (in his mind > > > >and mine....... > > I'm buff in your mind? My blushes! no need to blush I didn't imagine any action..... > > > Gil - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:44:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Sophies Choice (NJC) well of course I meant Clunt Eastwoo. cvickery@danielrealty.com wrote: > Colin stated: > <> > > for the record, please note that i am resisting comment.... > it's just too easy a target. > > cindy - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:51:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: dingoes and accents NJC I thought Streep was excellent in that mvovie. It was ahrd part to play. Speaking of accemnts. I can ditignuish between a New England accnet, a Brooklyn one, a Texas one and thta is about it. Oh and sometimes a Canadian one but only if they say 'about'. Do English actors speaking in an Amrican accemnt sound terrible to you? Americans speaking in a british accent sound awful really bad. cept for Renee whatsername in Bridget Jones . She was so good I assumed she was English cos I didn't rrealise she was the same actor who was in that starnge film wheree she was a waitress and she sw her hubby killed by Chris Rock(most annoying man). Tonight in 3rd rock, there were 2 actors. one with an English accent and one with a Scots accent. both terrible. Jane leeves in frasier, btw, has a Northern accent, and is English but in real life she sounds posh english. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:45:56 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: here come the olympics NJC LONG mack, i am going for the gold alright. i'm going for a gold in the TOURIST OLYMPIC GAMES. please read the hilariously funny VERY SARCASTIC and tongue in cheek article from a local alternative weekly. i think it sums up how most people i know feel about the games! alison e. in slc, tired of seeing barricades, national guardsmen/women with fully automatic rifles, police from other cities, massive military choppers and F16's overhead, and THIS AREA UNDER 24 HR SURVEILLANCE signs. "Pssst. Listen up. This is the last issue of City Weekly before the Olympics start. Come next week there are going to be real, live foreigners reading this paper. The way I see it, we have less than one week to learn the phrase, Go Home, in every different language and dialect of the visiting countries. But, learning simple foreign-istic catch phrases is just the beginning of ways we can mess with all these non-American people who will be crowding our bribery-induced infrastructure. Questions will be asked by those who havent spent enough time studying their version of Fodors guide to Salt Lake City. That gold person on top of the Mormon cathedral, a Spaniard might ask, Who is him? Louis Armstrong, you should reply. Didnt you know Mormonism bases its religious ideology on the influences of American jazz musicians? John Coltrane (in Utah we refer to him as The Real JC) is the center of their theology. Come now, you silly Spaniard from Spain land, didnt you wonder why Utahs only professional sports team is the Jazz? Now remember, this Spain-ish person has traveled halfway around the world to see the Games. These Games are being held in your backyard and do you have tickets to a single Olympic event? If its Games they want, its Games theyll get. I say, light the torch and let the Olympic Tourist Games begin. Start your own tour company and get some of that recently printed Canadian Euro dollar in your wallet. If they think Salt Lake is like Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where they can see Mormons in their natural habitat, then dont leave them with Le Disappointment. Charge $20, toss a gaggle of those Canadian geese into your Suburban and point out such landmarks as Baskin Robbins, Burger King and Old Navy. When you see two women walking together say, Do you mind if we stop and talk to my wives? Oh, never mind, tonight is my youngest wifes turn. I dont want LaDonna or Wanda to get jealous. Send the French to the new Main Street [which was purchased by the Mormon church, there is no smoking drinking, cursing, etc. allowed] and see if they think a little bit of Paris reminds them of Paris when it was a little bit occupied by Germany. What mean you, I cant smoke cigarette outside? This isnt Paris. This is little bit of merde. Another major tourist trap is, well, our namesake: The Great Salt Lake. If it werent for the smell, youd almost forget the lake was out there. When was the last time you said, Hey family, lets go submerse ourselves in brine shrimp and stink? But foreigners, like those from New York, Indiana or other places still think they can float in the Salt Lake. Let them! Tell anyone who asks that the salt keeps the water very warm. Say, If you think bath salts are soothing, think how muy bueno a whole lake of bath salts must feel. Especially if you have open wounds. Plus, talk about aromatherapy. Phewy! The Salt Lake is liquid heaven. Send the Swiss packing with Hersheys chocolate, send the Italians to Olive Garden, send the Chileans to Chilis Bar and Grill and the Irish to McDonalds, but whatever you do, dont tell a soul about the Soup Kitchen [a local, very good restaurant]. Its already too crowded. When I opened the door to pick up my to-go order, the place was so busy the door hit a patron standing in line. If youre concerned that I hurt this guy, dont worry, I think he might have been Canadian, so I kicked him as well. Let the Tourist Olympic Games begin." Salt Lake City Weekly ) 1996-2001 Copperfield Publishing. All Rights Reserved. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:50:33 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC colin: > > But I didn't say "in the buff" -- I said "buff." Here in the Colonies "in > > the buff" also means nekkid, but that's not the same as "buff" all by its > > lonesome. > >oh okay. we don't use that term here. we use hunky, built, muscly, toned, Yep, that's who I was. Hunky. Built. Muscly. Toned. -- and Buff! > > I'm buff in your mind? My blushes! > >no need to blush I didn't imagine any action..... Amazingly enough, neither did I! In all fairness, this "buff"/"in the buff" business confuses people on both sides of The Pond ... which is probably half the fun. Joni was once buff (and in the buff) herself, IIRC the foldout to For the Roses, yes? Gil who's decided this folderol has gone on long enough. Time to serious up ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 15:51:27 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC colin: > > I'm buff in your mind? My blushes! > >no need to blush I didn't imagine any action..... I was having you on. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 15:51:54 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Hissing in Abilene... Hi Walt. Dear Walt, you probably get to hear other DJRD's cd's every now and then, on other people's stereos, right? Are you sure the copy you own sounds "worse" than other DJRD'd cd's (or vinyls)? I'm asking because you wrote that: " the beginning of Overture is inaudible, so you have to push >up the volue (I know it's supposed to be quiet, but I mean truly inadible), >then abruptly it jumps up say 20 db" - and, frankly, Walt, the 20 db jump up is exactly how the song was recorded (but only if i understood what you meant and i think i have, at least i hope i have). Same thing happens in Paprika Plains, and again, what you describe as a defect is is exactly the way it was produced/mixed. I may be wrong, sorry if i am, so i had to ask you if you know any other copies that sound "better". Mack...if you could tell me what's wrong with the new Hissing you bought (The email Walt was talking about didn't reach me, you see) - i'd love to know, and if it's not a "wrong imperssion" about the record being defective - well, i may have a pleasing solution for ya'. Love, Nuriel - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: >Yo, Mack (and all), > >Mack wrote [clip]< >Lawns which I have wanted for the longest time. Drove home, anticipatory to > >the utmost, and put it on. It is defective. Bummed out. >> > >I was just earlier today telling SCBob of my disgust with the fact that my >copy of DJRD, one of my favs, is defective, too. Not sure how i could have >missed it, but I didn't catch it on first listening, cuz I was just listening >for major dysfunction -- skips, and the like. But on quieter listening, i >discovered that the beginning of Overture is inaudible, so you have to push >up the volue (I know it's supposed to be quiet, but I mean truly inadible), >then abruptly it jumps up say 20 db, then the cd is fine until halfway thru >P. Plains, when it dives again in the orchestral part and then picks up again >about 30 seconds before the vocal/jazz band part starts up. Really annoying, >but when i want to listen to DJRD, I just make sure I'm near the volume >control. > >For you audiophiles: How does kind of thing happen? Bad pressing? Someone >asleep at the wheel? > >At least, unlike poor Mack, I live in a city, and can get any of Joni's at >any of several locations. 65 miles to Abilene!!! That's like driving the >distance from SF to San Jose, and getting...Abilene. Hope no one finds your >hidden Hissing, so you can get it next time, Mac. > >Hugs, Mac (and if I haven't said it lately, I hope your working situation, >your parents and you are all well), > >Walt _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:57:51 +0000 From: colin Subject: oz/nz accents yes there is a difference between an oz accent and a kiwi one. Now i lived in oz for many eyars, my formative ones, and use to speak with a nroad oz accent. Hiwver, i find it hard to tell the 2 accents apart. Kiwies tend to spek better tho even that is not a give a way. One way to tell is when they say the word 'chip as in fish and chips. the Kiwi will say fish and chups. Wehn i first moved to where I now live, I thought my esteate agent had a speech impediment because she says 'confoozed' instaed of confused. I later came to realise this was the accent around here. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 00:02:34 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC > Joni was once buff (and in the buff) herself, IIRC the foldout to For the > Roses, yes? > if you like that sort of thing.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 00:03:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC > >no need to blush I didn't imagine any action..... > > I was having you on. on what? > > > Gil - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:07:07 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC colin: > > I was having you on. > >on what? on some bizarre excursion into obfuscation, apparently. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 16:07:53 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC colin: > > Joni was once buff (and in the buff) herself, IIRC the foldout to For the > > Roses, yes? > >if you like that sort of thing.... Show of hands, please? Gil waving in the back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:03:32 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Buff Mystery Solved NJC My hand is up Gil. Don't get me excited here in the throes of nowhere. mack > > > >if you like that sort of thing.... > > Show of hands, please? > > Gil > waving in the back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:09:53 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: ckua - now NJC Hey Kate, I live in Calgary, and I awaken to CKUA every day, too. I sponsored David Ward's show. I'll let you know when it's coming on. And what he says about my JM theme. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kate Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 6:53 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: ckua You tell 'em, Brett! CKUA has got quite a reputation internationally as well, from what I hear. So are you in Edmonton, Calgary, or somwhere else on the planet? I'm just out of Edmonton, and CKUA is on my radio at 6 every weekday morning. And I love the Sunday programming, and ... well, I won't go on ... but I could ... YOU know. Kate du Nord Weird Aunt Kate's Letter Out http://www.connect.ab.ca/~katej ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:48:50 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Old Farts Hijack JMDL (NJC) Gil wrote: >This of course triggers another memory, of seeing a triple bill at the >Hollywood Palladium of Pogo, the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, who not only >performed "Death Cab for Cutie" but famously parodied the next band, The Who. Oh, shit, Gil, I was there! June 13, 1969. That was when The Who did their "west coast premiere" of Tommy. I thought all three bands were terrific. One of the best shows I've ever been to. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:51:12 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: '60s Book (NJC) Ashara is looking for a book that gives the feel of the '60s? The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, by Tom Wolfe. Written in the decade. Still highly evocative. It was our BIBLE for a while. Steve (about to leap into his Ocelot Rabies 400 and go play some music!) - -- ########################################################### Steve Dulson PsiTech, Inc Fountain Valley, CA steve@psitech.com (714) 964-7818 http://www.psitech.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:03:07 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #38 In a message dated 2/6/2002 3:02:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > I'm using up my requests to air a few Joni songs that don't make the radio > very often - all having to do with things current in world, particularly as > they concern the world war that's being engineered by our leaders: > > The Fiddle and the Drum > The Beat of Black Wings > Tax Free (the little island south of Florida is now populated by guys in > orange suits in bird cages) > No Apologies > The Three Great Stimulants > > I think Joni would be pleased to hear her war stuff all in one show Glad to hear Joni is still getting airplay somewhere in this world. You are right, I think she would be very pleased. Funny, these choices are among my favorite JM tunes, and I never really thought of them as "war stuff", but the connection is obviously there. Now I wonder... why I am drawn to her more tragic tales? Wolf/Lindsay...Magdelaine...Sex Kills...Fiction...Edith...and the darkest (IMHO) JM tune - Sire of Sorrow. Can anyone else see beauty in the dark? Kurt NP: Dreamland demo - THANKS BOB! (The whistles are awesome!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:18:32 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: All this talk about the 60's now & Joni in Good Housekeeping?! Ashara wrote: >Anyone want to start a JMDL commune? ;-) This is freaky. Hell and I were just discussing this yesterday! At first we thought it would be great. Money wouldn't be a problem because we have every occupation represented. But then we decided that no one would want to work. We would all just want to sit around all day playing/listening to music and talking! On a semi related note, I was reading "Good Housekeeping" in the dentist's office (It was all they had!) and there was a picture of a god-awful shawl on a fashion page. The caption read something like: "Flowers, fringe and folk music. Bring out your inner Joni Mitchell. Embroidered shawls are back." Peace & Love, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) - --- Gil Lamont wrote: trivia question: where and > when > >did the running of the olympic torch relay start? >the first olympic torch relay was > in 1936. yep, the first olympic torch relay was created as essentially a marketing device by the germans for the 1936 nazi olympic games. call me nuts, but i think that's really strange detail that no one talks about, especially since it's such a big deal today. > > gil > who finds your lower case habits contagious i caught it from e.e. cummings. or laziness. > and who hopes his local or cable news will broadcast > gordon b. hinckley > taking his turn carrying the olympic torch on friday hinckley's carrying the torch???? wha????? i'm sure it will be on the news everywhere, after all he IS THE PROPHET!!!!! LOL! ;-) my best friend's mom is also carrying the torch, the only torch related event threatening to bring me from the safe and quiet of my new apartment... alison e. in olyslc np: counting crows Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:32:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Subject: NJC - London Underground/Airplanes Bob >>>Indeed they have, Kate. And it's not pretty.<<< ew, ick. i get to fly to nyc in a few days....wearing my hazmat suit...think i will look suspicious? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:32:37 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: reincarnation NJC Colin, you might be interested in reading the book Ashara mentioned. I am a novice on this subject other than what I have read or experienced myself but I think anyone who believes as you said, "what happens to us in this life is retribution/compensation for previous lives." hasn't really educated themselves & is just using pop psychology so to speak. Exploring past lives is far more complicated, deeper & interesting than that. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:32:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: sorry njc oops..just saw i forgot to do the trimming...sorry! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 20:33:49 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Chicago NJC For all those new and old in Chicago >I believe this to be completely accurate > >Chicago Temperature Conversion Chart > >+60 F . . . Arizonans wear coats, gloves and fuzzy hats. >Chicago people sunbathe. > >+50 . . . New Yorkers try to turn on the heat. >Chicago people plant gardens. > >+40 . . . Italian cars won't start. >Chicago people drive with the windows down. > >+32 . . . Distilled water freezes. >Lake Michigan's water gets thicker. > >+20 . . . Californians shiver uncontrollably. >Chicago people have the last cook-out before it gets cold. > >+15 . . . New York landlords finally turn up the heat. >Chicago people throw on a sweatshirt. > >0 degrees . . . Californians fly away to Mexico. >Chicago people lick the flagpole. > >-20 . . . People in Phoenix cease to exist. >Chicago people get out their winter coats. > >-40 . . . Hollywood disintegrates. >Chicago Girl Scouts begin selling cookies door to door. > >-60 . . . Polar bears begin to evacuate the Arctic. >Chicago Boy Scouts postpone "Winter Survival" classes until >it actually gets cold enough. > >-80 . . . Mt. St. Helen's freezes. >Chicago people rent some videos. > >-100 . . . Santa Claus abandons North Pole. >Chicago people get frustrated when they can't thaw the keg. > >-297 . . . Microbial life barely survives on dairy products. >Illinois cows complain of farmers with cold hands. > >-460 . . . (absolute zero) ALL atomic motion stops. >Chicago people start saying, "Cold 'nuff fer ya?" > >-500 . . . Hell freezes over. >The Cubs win the World Series. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:49:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Chicago NJC catherine once sent the same joke about toronto!!!! except for the part about the cubs, that is. i must be from either place. 20F sounds like cook-out weather to me if it's not windy. i'd rather be out on a sunny 20F day than on a rainy, windy 45F day. sometimes temperatures don't make any sense to me. i DO FIRMLY believe in wind chill factors and heat indexes. wally, by the way vince, i DO like accents! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Vince Lavieri Enviado el: Miircoles, 06 de Febrero de 2002 10:34 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Chicago NJC For all those new and old in Chicago >I believe this to be completely accurate > >Chicago Temperature Conversion Chart ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #60 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?