From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #59 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 6 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 059 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: February 6 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: February 6 [les@jmdl.com] Re: A Case of Yoo Hoo! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: Reading music [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) [] Re: A Case of Yoo Hoo! ["hell" ] RE: Today in History/ british columbia sjc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Today in History/ british columbia sjc [colin ] Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Regarding reading and writing NJC ["Martin Giles" ] All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Covers, Volume 26 - last call! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: I Wish I Knew The Words (How Low) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: I Wish I Knew The Words (How Low) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Jonifest CD artwork NJC [Steve Polifka ] The Troub [Steve Dulson ] (njc) Explaining Enron... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Dylan Live (NJC) [Gil Lamont ] RE: Beltway Minifest?? ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: logo contest [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: LA in the '60s (NJC) [Gil Lamont ] Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) [Gil Lamont ] Re: Joni Live [Gil Lamont ] Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) [Gil Lamont ] Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) [Alison E ] Re: ckua ["Norma" ] Re: Janis NJC [Gil Lamont ] Re: Janis NJC [colin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 03:19:45 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 6 On February 6 in Joni Mitchell History: 1974: Joni performs at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. She introduces the song 'For the Roses' with this story (transcribed by Bob Muller): "All my life I've had kind of a battle going, a running duality between the spiritual & the sensual, you know, and I decided it was time the spiritual won out, at least for a little while...I looked around and my place had gotten kinda Tchoctky'ed up, over-opulent, and I thought that I had strayed off of some kind of path, like I was losing something, I don't know... So I trekked back up to Canada, bought myself a piece of land, decided to put my money where my mouth was, get myself genuinely back to the garden, or at least give it a try, you know? I've always been fascinated by the story of Adam & Eve, not because that was when women became a lower class of citizen, you know, I mean, (applause) No, no, the story never meant that to me, I thought that it was a beautiful poem written by a guy with a lot of future projection. You know, a lot of times it's interpreted by evangelists and different clerical people that I've talked to, as a place that existed a long time ago somewhere along the outskirts of the Nile or Jerusalem, something that disappeared, and I'd always thought it was kinda the story of the beginning of knowledge, you know? But I guess I'm side-tripping, running off at the mouth here, but... What it always kinda meant to me was, that, Man, the Beauty of Man, was his superiority while he still maintained his humility, which was before he *realized* that he had a virtue. Because as soon as you've got a virtue and you KNOW about it, it's gone, forget it...(laughter) So, he began as a tender of the creatures, not as a superior, he was sort of gentle with them, then one day he woke up and he looked at himself, and said 'Goddamn, they got better plumage, and furs, and everything', so he started to drape himself. Now I like to drape myself with those sort of things from time to time, but sometimes it makes me feel guilty, and that's what happened this particular morning. I woke up with a treacherous case of middle class guilt, so I decided to move myself to some deserted area, and grow myself a garden, and get back to it! Even an artichoke in a terrarium, anything...(laughter) My house was in the process of being built, I took a lot of hard furniture, it was like a house of correction I was building, everything was hard, you had to sit straight up in it, you know? I was sort of working on the Thoreau theory too, you know, like one chair for myself and one for society...no, three chairs, one for solitude, one for company, and one for society, that's right.... So I moved back up there and I was staying in this little cabin, and one night I heard what sounded to me like applause, it was like this clapping outside my door, you know, so I stepped out onto the steps, and....took a bow (Joni laughs)....(applause)....I stepped out and I looked up and right in front of my door was this tree called the Arbutus tree, which I think is really my favorite all-time tree...it's got a really smooth, orange bark, and really smooth rubbery kind of leaves, and it's a very independent tree, just has totally its own will, you can't...you can't tame it, you know? Like there's this street in Vancouver called Arbutus Street, and they tried to transplant a whole lot of Arbutus trees to line it, you know, just like Elm street's always lined with elms, and maple street's lined with maples...so they put in all these arbutus trees, and they just said 'forget it', you know, just kamikaze'd out......." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Fame.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 03:19:45 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: February 6 On February 6 the following articles were published: 1966: "Two Single Acts Survive a Marriage" - Detroit News (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/660206dn.cfm 1993: "Classical Crossover" - Economist (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/930206e.cfm 1999: "Witness of Life" - Irish Times (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/990226it.cfm 2000: "Both Sides Now" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000206ew.cfm 2000: "Standard Surprises" - New York Now (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000206nyn.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 00:32:01 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: A Case of Yoo Hoo! Hi William,did you see her last night? >Bree, No worries about shouting out a request for Diana Krall to do "A Case >of You". Yoo hoo..A case of yoo hoo!! Thank god I don't have to do this in conservative and proper Cincinnati!! It's funny you mention this because a friend was driving me home tonight and he put in a D.K. CD. I told him about my plans to get Ms.Krall to sing A CASE OF YOU. (in case she was resistant to it) .....he begged me not to make a fool of myself ......he'll be happy to know that I won't have to now. (we even discussed about me making a sign saying...PLEASE SING ACOY.....I'd have it rolled up,in my pants leg and bring it out at the opportune moment) I hope this question isn't too stupid:Do you live in Glasgow,Scotland? There is a Glasgow,Kentucky. If the playlist is the same as this evening in Glasgow she will do >it! Yoo Hoo! >William >NR - Shadows and Light by Karen O'Brien. Any thoughts on the book? I haven't read it yet. Can't buy it here,not yet anyway. YOO HOO TO YOO TOO, Bree _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:57:12 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) Bob wrote: > But I think I know what happened with Meryl and her reputation for doing > accents and all. It wasn't "Sophie's Choice" that made her Hollywood's accent > pariah. It was when she did that awful New Zealand movie about the horrible > New Zealand woman who fed her little New Zealand baby to that mean New > Zealand dingo. I think it was called "The Dingo Did It" or something like > that. Hmmmm..... do I ignore it, or do I respond? A quandary if ever I saw one. But my secret army of followers GROWS, Bob. By August we will be invincible, and all antagonists and mirth-makers will be destroyed, do you hear me, DESTROYED!!!!! WE ARE ALL-POWERFUL, AND WE WILL....... Sorry, sorry, got a little carried away there - just kidding, Bob, honestly. Nothing to worry about - nothing to see here. Everything's under control, it's OK ....... Gosh, I hope my little "joke" didn't bother you! It's all in good fun. Really! (Message to the bretheren - do NOT respond to this message). Hell - knowing that it's never going to stop, never (sob)! P.S. The joke is on you and Meryl though. Lindy Chamberlain was a New Zealander by birth! Something tells me I shouldn't have said that..... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 05:01:08 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Reading music In a message dated 2/4/02 5:57:17 PM, jamiezoob@freeuk.com writes: >And surely Hendrix never learned to read music! I mean, he played left >handed most of the time (is that right or am I just bigging up us lefties >among the group!) Not just left-handed, but also upside down! (high string on top, low on bottom). - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:02:17 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) > But I think I know what happened with Meryl and her reputation for > doing accents and all. It wasn't "Sophie's Choice" that made her > Hollywood's accent pariah. It was when she did that awful New Zealand > movie about the horrible New Zealand woman who fed her little New > Zealand baby to that mean New Zealand dingo. I think it was called > "The Dingo Did It" or something like that. > The movie was CRY IN THE DARK. Her character was unsympathetic and she did not show emotions traditionally expected of a mother whose child was missing, and Streep played it so inch-perfect that people thought she was the character herself. Streep's perfection in acting makes other to label her as a cold technician with no heart. But I always thought that she acts with all heart. Joseph (thinks that among Meryl's films, its HOUSE OF THE SPIRITS that she comes close to being miscast) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:10:10 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: A Case of Yoo Hoo! William wrote: > NR - Shadows and Light by Karen O'Brien. Any thoughts on the book? I just finished this recently - far and away the BEST Christmas gift I received! I enjoyed it a lot, but found it a little "padded out" in places, especially some of the detail about Charles Mingus and Georgia O'Keefe. Still a very well put together biography, although the ending was also odd. I turned the page expecting to read more, and there was nothing, it just kind of stopped! Still (despite the criticism) the best so far, by a mile - comparing it to Brian Hinton's is like comparing "Of Mice and Men" to "See Spot Run"! Hell - still waiting for the absolutely definitive work on Joni - the autobiography! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:06:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Today in History/ british columbia sjc les, this piece of joni history is so nice! by the way, stephen epstein showed me the arbutus trees in BC last year! i must have taken a million pictures of them. BC is so incredibly beautiful. i just saw a movie that is supposed to take place in anywhere, usa but it was so clearly vancouver. the library, the island where the market and the art school are [granville? i can't remember now], even UBC, everything was there and it was like living february 200 all over again. what a pleasant memory! wally, thank you for the transcription bob muller - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de les@jmdl.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 06 de Febrero de 2002 05:20 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Today in History: February 6 On February 6 in Joni Mitchell History: 1974: Joni performs at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. She introduces the song 'For the Roses' with this story (transcribed by Bob Muller): ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:34:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: reincarnation NJC I believe we existed before birth. I do not know if we reincarnate or not. It seems likely. However, I have problems with much that I have heard from people who firmly believe in it.(The following is not knocking you Ashara as I do not know what your take on the subject is.) The belief that what happens to us in this life is retribution/compensation for previous lives. This allows many people to justify or ignore suffering. It also blames the victim. A huge argument broke out within the Spiritualist National Union paper because a person desribed as 'highly enlightened' wrote that people who had been abused as children 'richly deserved it' because of past life sins! In our national papers another huge row broke out because Glen Hoddle, a football manager, said that disabled people were disabled because of past life sins. Of course believing this gives the believer a sense of safety and superiority and also takes a way the fear of uncertainty that not knowing brings.( last night John was telling me about his friend and ex work coleague, retired, who is being treated for stomach cancer. John and been talking to his wife about this and they both thought he got this deisease beacuse of had been very stressed and held his 'feelings in'. I pointed out that was just another way of balming him for his disease and that it made John and the man's wife feel better because both see a counselor, do not hold in their feelings and thus will not get cancer! We love to blame others and we do so out of fear. Nowadyas anyone who has heart disease, cancer or whatever, is blamed for it because they must have not eaten right, suppressed their feelings, didn't exercise or whatever) There are those too who believe that we choose our lives, or rather what happens to us. This belief also allows people to justify/excuse suffering. It also is a belief that has not been followed thru with any intelligence. If we choose events and these events are 'ordained' then people who commit horrendous crimes of child abuse or murder or whatever are actually following God's plan, doing Her will. Ridiculous. It also means that the people who do these things are pre-programmed to do so. Where lies responsibility? I heard a woman tell a very painful story in a group only for the group leader to say' well of course you chose it'. that was his only comment. It was cruel and heartless. I felt like I had been kicked in the guts so how that poor woman felt I can only guess. I think we existed before conception. Bear in mind I said I think. I am not saying I believe this as Absolute Truth.(I believe nothing as Absolute Truth-how can I when I only ave my meaning structure and ideas and interpretations to go on. Those who say that something they have read or been told is the Absolute Truth have absolute faith in themselves, not in anything else.) I came to this idea because I was thinking about 'free will' and how children do not have it. At least not to the extent adults do( and even adults have limited free will according to their experience and meaning structures). Children are totally at the mercy of their carers. They are taught by their carers and their meaning structures form accordingly. A young child who is treated badly by their carers cannot choose to leave or even to think that their carers are bad. No they believe they themselves are bad because to believe their careers are bad is impossible because that would induce too much fear and their self would be annihilated. So I thought then we muct have existed before and chose to come into physical being. However, that does NOT mean we chose what happens to us. No. I think it means we just chose to be born and had no idea what would happen. Perhaps we choose the circumstances we are born into-family, country, race, gender, sexuality etc but not the actual events. I don't think anyone is here by accident. i don't think anyone is more or less worthy than another, regardless of actions., I don't think anyone is 'worthless' and I think we are all important. I think what we think is important and that we all affect everyone else by our thoughts and actions. As adults we do of course 'choose' our lives. Because we choose our thoughts and this is what produces our life. Our thoughts determine how we see the world and how we feel.(one reason why we all inhanbit different worlds-none of us thinks the same, shares the same feelings or experiences). The trouble is often we have very limited knowledge about the choices we can make and thus we have little to choose from. Coming from a fundamentalist , abusive dysfunctional background, my choice of ideas was severely limited. Freedom and health came to me by discovering other ideas, thinking different thoughts. This is not easy. Not at all. It is very difficult to change one's thinking. Fear, guilt and shame make it extremely diffiuclt. The desire to be accepted and be part of the group(or family) make it difficult to go against group(family) thinking. Hopefully integrity and desire for health win out. Being ready to change one's ideas is also a requirement for authentic living. Gripping on doggedly to ideas, despite all evidence that they are harmful, not only causes pain to oneself but to others too(look at the Middle East, the USA, UK, in fact almost anywhere). All conflict arises from one person or group trying to force their ideas onto another person or group. Power is only the ability to force other people to see the world as you see it.( although of course you cannot force another to think as you do except for children) And thus we are back to children who are at the mercy of those who are forcing the child to see the world as they see it. Children are taught sectarian hatred, racial hatred, sexism, homophobia etc. Thses things are very difficult to undo. Of course, back to the original point about reincartnation, it could be that all this, life, was just an accident, the result of a Big Bang, that life is meaningless, that life is just a diffcult time for everyone(which it is) and that when we die that is the end of it. And one day the world itslef will not longer be, it will just eb a cold dead planet and all our thoughts and ideas and love will amount to nothing. on that happy note....... bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:35:15 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Today in History/ british columbia sjc > and it was like living february 200 all > over again. Wally, you look terrific for your age! I had no idea! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:29:45 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) In a message dated 2/6/02 2:39:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > . Streep played this scene brilliantly you could > actually feel her yearning, her pain for Eastwood's character. > Yes, that's the title, thanks Bree and as far as Streep's acting goes, she broke many a hearts in that scene. r. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:17:31 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Regarding reading and writing NJC Hi folks There's a great bit of software called 'Sibelius'. (Not sure of the spelling now I come to write it, but, you know, the composer). It's a fully fledged scorewriting system, that you can 'midi-up' to your instrument. A chap I know was a sales/tech support person for them for a few years. (The company has the same name). He now works for Micheal Nyman, and I wouldn't mind betting that 'Sibelius' is what Nyman now uses to score with. Is the VG8 a midi instrument? I'm sure if she could plug it into 'Sibelius' she could get a lot of orchestration ideas written out, and perhaps not need to use someone else as an arranger? Of course any midi keyboard would do the trick too. Martin in London, delurking for 2002! > > Bree (you will do great things > > >>I have heard that there is a machine or computer or some such thing that > >>will take in the notes you are playing and convert it to sheet music. > >>Has anyone else heard of this? > > > >Yes,with a midi keyboard and notation software installed in your computer > >it > >is possible to midi your kybd to computer and whatever notes you play will > >be printed on staff. If you want bells and whistles that depends on what > >you want to pay for your software. I hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:33:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Notational notions..NJC <> First, welcome to you, Mr. Wolf! Thanks for the delurk & intro. Look forward to hearing more from you. And I agree with the above statement. I think it's naive to think that everyone learns in the same way. Bob NP(Now Playing): Bap Kennedy, "lonesome lullaby" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:41:12 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Message from Maggie Maggie asked me to pass this along to all of you: <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:53:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: I Wish I Knew The Words Again <> And to further complicate things, even the way she sings it ON THE CD is not correct. She sings the "punch drunk" chorus twice which is not Hart's lyric. No major crime, just an interesting footnote. Bob NP: Buddy/Julie Miller, "The River's Gonna Run" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) - --- jpalis@kssp.upd.edu.ph wrote: > The movie was CRY IN THE DARK. Her character was > unsympathetic and she did > not show emotions traditionally expected of a mother > whose child was > missing, and Streep played it so inch-perfect that > people thought she was > the character herself. Streep's perfection in acting > makes other to label > her as a cold technician with no heart. But I always > thought that she acts > with all heart. Hmm, interesting. I did find the character sympathetic, precisely *because* she didn't conform to the image people would expect of a mother. Not everyone wears their emotions on their sleeves and IMO that's exactly why Lindy Chamberlain was convicted - because she didn't fit the stereotype of helpless female. I realize that the film is just a film and as such, much of it is speculation, (who knows what really happened?) but it does show a lot about how people are swayed by how they *expect* a person to behave in such a situation. There was also a huge prejudice over people's perceptions of that religious group (were they 7th Day Adventists? I don't remember, but I know it wasn't one of the more popular Christian faiths, and people had a lot of weird ideas about their religious practices.) The whole story reminds me a great deal of the Susan Nelles case here in Toronto. Susan was one of a few nurses accused of murdering young babies at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto in the 80s. They could never prove the babies were actually murdered because there was a whole combination of unusual circumstances happening at the time (more than the normal number of very young, very sick babies with heart problems on the wards at the time; the fact that the drug (digoxin)supposedly delivered to these babies deliberately as overdose can sometimes apparently occur naturally - or be amplified - in the bloodstream after death and so on.) So, she and her coworkers were never actually sent to trial, but there was a huge investigation of the whole thing with experts from all over the place trying to figure out what the hell happened. In many peoples' minds, Susan was guilty as sin, but it was never proved - one of the things that had people pointing the finger at her was that she remained cool and collected throughout the whole thing and had a gallows-type humour that might point, in some peoples' eyes, to guilt - she was heard, after another baby had died, to make a remark along the lines of "Two out of three ain't bad" or words of that kind (I don't remember exactly). To me, that's just sick humour that someone in the health profession might use to help themself deal with a horrible event, but most people wouldn't get that. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:08:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: NJC - London Underground/Airplanes <> Indeed they have, Kate. And it's not pretty. There's a syndicated radio show called "The Don & Mike Show". I don't listen to it now, but I have heard it on occassion when I worked with a guy who swore by it. And sometimes it WAS pretty funny. Anyway, they had this guy who came on the show from time to time called "Dr. Germ", and he would give facts from studies like the ones Norma shared. Planes are a hotbed for germs, mostly because the air does not circulate. Whatever germs are expelled/sneezed/coughed in there, continue to float around. Airline pillows are the worst - lay your head on one at your own peril. And make sure those trays get wiped down before you touch them, they can be potentially covered with various viruses and diseases. They took some scrapings and what they revealed would make a frequent flyer lose their lunch. Bob NP: Buddy/Julie Miller, "Dirty Water" (a must for Emmylou fans) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:52:44 -0600 From: "Kate " Subject: ckua You tell 'em, Brett! CKUA has got quite a reputation internationally as well, from what I hear. So are you in Edmonton, Calgary, or somwhere else on the planet? I'm just out of Edmonton, and CKUA is on my radio at 6 every weekday morning. And I love the Sunday programming, and ... well, I won't go on ... but I could ... YOU know. Kate du Nord Weird Aunt Kate's Letter Out http://www.connect.ab.ca/~katej ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:11:32 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) Interesting discussions lately. I have been on a 60's "kick" lately, reading a lot about what happened back then, and trying to understand the whole "hippie" culture. Mostly because my son, Aaron, who many of you met last Jonifest, seems to be in the category of the "second generation" of hippies. I was not yet 14 the summer of Woodstock, and thus missed a lot of the whole culture of that time period by several years. Sure, I wore black armbands to protest the war, fringed vests and bell-bottoms, love beads, etc., but really was just a teeny-bopper after all. Does anyone have any good suggestions of books or movies on this era? There are many books listed on Amazon, but I was wondering if anyone in this vast commnunity might have some suggestions. I'm really having fun flashing back to this time period! Anyone want to start a JMDL commune? ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:16:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers, Volume 26 - last call! Hey folks, thanks to all who have ventured a guess for a free copy of Covers, Volume 26. Time is running out - the contest ends Friday PM. To qualify, just tell me a song from a Joni record. My current leader is pretty close but he can be beaten! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: I Wish I Knew The Words (How Low) - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: "And to further complicate things, even the way she sings it ON TH "She sings the "punch drunk" chorus twice which is not Hart's lyric. No major crime, just an interesting footnote." Good point. I'm almost sure the lyrics to "At Last" as sung by Joni are not at all the way they were in the original (All the earlier versions go by the original but not Joni's). Not long ago i heard Joni singing 'Night Ride Home" live - found the MP3 on AudioGalaxy - and at one point during the song she plays a very wrong chord. Now you know she always says there's no such thing as a wrong chord? Well, on that live version of Night Ride Home, she stops her singing (but still playing the guitar) and says "Sorry about that" while laughing a bit and when she says that her voice is sooooo low. I mean, realy, if her singing voice on TTT (the song) when she sings the lyric "You can't tame the tiger" is the lowest her voice has ever got to - on that live version she sounds like a black boxer. Scary one. :) _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:48:11 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I Wish I Knew The Words (How Low) <> She does a similar thing on "Last Chance Lost" in the Troubadours of Folk show in '93. And probably my fave is the one version of "A Melody In Your Name" I have, where she goes REALLY low, I mean in the basement, and then stops to retune (calling the string a little devil), and you hear that string s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g and you know it's going to pop, and it does. And Joni laughs the cutest little laugh... Thankfully she gets a new string, completes the tuning and plays the song. Sadly, it's cut and all we get is an edit, but hey, it's better than nuttin'! Maybe when we get a proper Joni Box Set I can hear it in its entirety. Bob NP: Mike Flowers Pops, "Light My Fire" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:45:42 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Jonifest CD artwork NJC Hi all, I did write Anne telling her that my computer was down for most of last week. Anne, I can send you the files as Jpegs (or whatever you prefer). They are sized. However, the cover booklet was done to use in a program like MediaFace/ Neato label software, so that the files aren't so huge. Right now, my printer is down, so to Ashara, I will send you the printed ones as soon as it is up and running. And to Les, I think it would be great to download the CD art to a page where folks could retrieve them on their own. Thanks, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:05:02 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: The Troub Kakki wrote: >I don't think recordings from the '68 >or '69 Troubadour shows have surfaced here (although some lucky and diligent >traders may have these and I'd bet Mr. Dulson attended a few of the shows!). Unfortunately not. Not that I didn't try, but they sold out almost instantly. My first visit to the Troub was 8/21/70 to see The Dillards and Longbranch/Pennywhistle (who were, you will recall, John David Souther and Glen Frey). Troub owner Doug Weston had an innovative (or exploitative, depending on your viewpoint) booking policy. The first time you did a gig at the club, you signed a contract saying that you would return to play x number of nights FOR THE SAME FEE if Doug wanted you back. That is why Joni played the Troub in '72, when she was already filling concert halls. Hmmm...maybe I should take a look at my contract with Kate Bennett... :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:28:15 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Explaining Enron... (Sorry if someone has already posted this -- I'm almost a week behind -- walt) Subject: How to Explain Enron: > >> > >> > >> Feudalism - You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk. > >> > >> Fascism - You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to > take > >> care of them, and sells you the milk. > >> > >> Communism - You have two cows. The government owns them, but your neighbors help take care of them, and after the government keeps or sells 90%, you and the neighbor share the milk that's left. > >> > >> Totalitarianism - You have two cows. The government takes both of them, > >> denies they ever existed and drafts you into the army. Milk is banned. > >> > >> Capitalism, in theory - You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd > >> multiplies and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the > income. > >> > >> Enron Venture Capitalism - You have two cows. You sell all three of them > >> to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your > >> brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an > >> associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax > >> exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred > >> via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the > >> majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your > >> listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, > with an option on one more. You declare bankruptcy and take the fifth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 08:32:15 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Dylan Live (NJC) Jerry: >Dylan: ageless, peerless, perfect Series: 2B; CONCERT REVIEW >St. Petersburg Times; St. Petersburg, Fla.; Feb. 4, 2002; GINA >VIVINETTO; Great review of what was apparently a great show. I'll have to haunt dylantree.com for this one. Thanks! Gil NP: Paul Dresher, "Channels Passing" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:33:32 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Beltway Minifest?? Hey Lori!! Man would i love to make this, but i already have another commitment for that weekend. I saw Tom Prasada-Rao at the Kerrville Folk Festival a few years ago, he's awesome, i bought his cd. Have fun and please post pictures so the rest of us can Jonifest vicariously through you. ha ha! Love Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori in MD Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:02 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: janinesherman@hotmail.com; johnsonjs@earthlink.net; john.van.tiel@wxs.nl Subject: Beltway Minifest?? Well, here's an idea for a Beltway minifest (and I'm sending this just once w/o NJC in case any Joni-onlies would like to get together, too): Gregg Cagno is scheduled to perform at the River Road Unitarian Church in Bethesda, MD (inside the Beltway), on Sunday, March 17. Other performers include Tom Prasada-Rao, and Bill Parsons & Eric Weinberg. Performances begin at 7 pm. (See www.greggcagno.com for more info.) I've been planning for awhile to attend -- want to make it a minifest? Lori in MD (near DC) P.S. - John & Claudia, will you be in the U.S. that weekend? ~ Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:43:28 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: logo contest Marianne wrote: > Why don't a few of us dontate a prize for the winner of the contest. I have > > a poster of Joni that can go in the prize basket. If it's okay with you > Ashara, we can open this up to anyone else who would like to add to the > prize. > > It can be joni related or other wise, what do you think? Put me down for > the poster and I will bring it to the Jonifest. That would be great! And remember everyone, we still need a bunch of stuff for the giveaways and raffle at Jonifest. I hardly have anything so far, and it's such a great part of the Fest! Please send giveaway/raffle items (preferably Joni-related, but other "related" items are fine) to me. E-mail me if you need my address. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:02:11 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: LA in the '60s (NJC) Steve Dulson wrote: >Geeze, dude! I missed that one. I would have LOVED to see Dillard & Clark! Dude! Dillard and Clark was awesome, for a couple of folk hippies. >But I did see some of the others, Linda and Jethro, of course, and: > >Illinois Speed Press Venice Beach Venice 4/20/69 >Southwind Olympic Auditorium Los Angeles 12/31/69 >Chicago (Transit Authority) The Shrine Los Angeles 11/9/68 Most excellent. That sure was the place to be. >Did you go to shows at the Shrine? A couple of times, but I have the dimmest memories. I'm sure it was a wonderful Mothers concert, but I can't recall a single moment of it. >What a way to learn about >rock'n'roll! For sure the only >way I could've remembered this stuff was to keep a list. I wish I *had* kept a list. But I remember seeing Spirit at the Whiskey, and The Doors at the Forum (preceded by Sweetwater and Jerry Lee Lewis; Jerry Lee got booed off stage for declaring that country would replace rock'n'roll), Sandy Denny (who opened for The Association at the Troubadour; no one wanted to see The Association, so after Sandy's second set, where she was joined on stage by half the rest of Fairport Convention, the audience filed out; poor Association!), Donovan at the Hollywood Bowl ... the list goes on and on. In the 1970s it was the Dead and NRPS at Isla Vista, Butterfield in Phoenix, Little Feat in San Diego ... all incredible shows. >Excuse me, >there goes another >brain cell or two... Try to lose the unimportant ones, okay. Like, I can't remember what I had for dinner last night, but I know all the words to the Gilligan's Island theme song. This seems inequitable. Peace and love, dude ... Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:08:45 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) the rev Vince ranted: >All the comments about Meryl Streep and accents - would you prefer she >act without seeking the authenticity of the character she plays? Would >you prefer the flat American accents that John Wayne brought to Ghengis >Khan, for example, the mixture of normal American and English accents in >Enemies at the Gate, which was supposed to be about Russians? How can you dismiss the fine accent work of Kevin Costner in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves? As Robin freed himself more and more from his feudal bg, his accent got more and more American, slipping back every now and then as he'd regress. This was one of Kostner's most subtle characterizations. Then there's the impeccable Russian accent of Walter Koenig as Chekov ... But perhaps I digress. But perhaps I need my medication. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:12:26 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Joni Live Kakki wrote: >Well Gil, it's me that's fuzzy again! You've got to stop smoking that Orange Pekoe. Please. Is it time for an intervention? Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:18:30 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) Bob: >But I think I know what happened with Meryl and her reputation for doing >accents and all. It wasn't "Sophie's Choice" that made her Hollywood's accent >pariah. It was when she did that awful New Zealand movie about the horrible >New Zealand woman who fed her little New Zealand baby to that mean New >Zealand dingo. I think it was called "The Dingo Did It" or something like >that. "A Cry in the Dark," which everyone thought was an Australian film until you revealed its secret origins. Obviously the title was changed from "The Dingo Did It" because in 1988 Americans thought Dingos were those chocolate cupcakes from Hostess. I'm surprised they didn't dub Meryl back into American, the way they did with Mel Gibson in "Mad Max." Gil (who wants to know what happened to "Bib") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:31:47 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Janis and the gang NJC Kakki wrote: >Besides this being amazing it brought back a wonderful memory for me. A >friend had a cousin who was a big shot in the record biz back then and one >night she came over with an armload of promo records he'd given her for both >of us, including "This Was," the first CTA and the Al Kooper Blood Sweat & >Tears "Child is Father to the Man." We sat for hours playing these albums, >none of which were yet released yet. One of the greatest nights of music >I've ever experienced. Somewhere in college, I'm afraid they ended up in >someone else's record collection. I bought each one of those the day they came out, and devoured them eagerly. Alas my record collection got lost in a fire. Fortunately I've been able to replicate most of them on CD, but it's not quite the same. Records had cover art you could see, the discs were artifacts that would yield their secrets under the needle, each was fresh and new and a mystery. Each charted unknown territory -- or territory we all knew but hadn't found a way to listen to yet -- and sometimes the learning curve on understanding the music was steep. But the music was ours and hadn't quite been coopted by corporate America. (The Man Can't Bust Our Music, one of Columbia's lamer advertising campaigns.) Weren't these all released through Columbia? "This Was" was on Chrysalis, but wasn't that distributed by Columbia? The first Chrysalis CDs were Columbia. Columbia was late jumping on the rock'n'roll bandwagon because Mitch Miller, head of A&R, *hated* rock'n'roll. > > What a sense of community we had back then. > >Yes we sure did and it's so great to hear from someone else who was there, >too. There are probably more of us than you think. >The previous year we put on a student art show at the school and >blasted Country Joe and the Fish's "Electric Music for Mind and Body" the >entire day and I sold one of my psychedelic pieces to one of the student >counselors. I first heard that album in Georgia in the army in 1967. It was the closest I got to the Summer of Love. >NP: Jethro Tull - Living in the Past Is this because you're "living in the past" yourself. (*gasp* A metaphor for your whole life? *choke*) Or is it because the title song is in 5/4, and you feel yourself to be an asymmetrical meter living in a world of common time? Gil NP: Steve Reich, "Six Pianos" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:34:14 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: All this talk about the 60's now........(NJC) hi ashara... - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: Does anyone have > any good suggestions of > books or movies on this era? There are many books > listed on Amazon, but I was > wondering if anyone in this vast commnunity might > have some suggestions. if jerry were still alive, i would easily be able to say "go to a dead show in oregon". but alas..sadly..this cannot happen...victor! hold me! i would seriously recommend watching woodstock, the movie, though. all the way through. even through the Sha Na Na part. ;-P jeff bought this on DVD a couple of months before i left new york, and we watched it alot. i had seen it probably 20 times before that (speaking of janis...) but the DVD is even better. it has alot of great cultural stuff on it, along with the music which is a given. richie havens always makes me cry. plus, his crazy long fingernails are cool. also--read the electric kool aid acid test by tom wolfe. > Anyone want to start a JMDL commune? ;-) yes, i vote your house. i'll take care of the chickens and pigs. alison e. in slc. getting ready for the olympic torch to roll into town....trivia question: where and when did the running of the olympic torch relay start? np: less ross, magdalene laundries. 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Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:41:22 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) and on a totally unrelated topic... i was shopping in the grocery store by my house last night, and there was this DROP DEAD GORGEOUS guy looking for spicy sausage or something, but he had the most beautiful new zealand accent (or maybe australian, i'll admit i can't tell the two apart very well). i caught myself smiling at him, without even realizing it. then as i cruised around the store, i realized there were hot foreign men all over the place! italians! nordics! and aussies, oh my! so i guess this olympics thing doesn't suck that bad. and it kept me from putting any fat-laden junk food in my cart. you know, on the off chance that one of em needed directions or something... alison e. in slc, resorting to the grocery store for social fulfillment. np: kay ashley, daydream man. - --- Gil Lamont wrote: > >pariah. It was when she did that awful New Zealand > movie about the horrible > >New Zealand woman who fed her little New Zealand > baby to that mean New > >Zealand dingo. I think it was called "The Dingo Did > It" or something like > >that. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:51:00 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Janis NJC (the Rev) Vince waxes nostalgic: >Janis didn;t go for wimps. Yeah, but did she go for Male Groupies For Janis Joplin? Gil, who was buff at 35 and will someday be buff again! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:51:45 -0700 From: "Norma" Subject: Re: ckua well, so far that makes THREE, count'em 3 of us, who know about GOOD music every day!! from an even further north Norma On 6 Feb 2002 at 7:52, Kate wrote: Date sent: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 07:52:44 -0600 Subject: ckua From: "Kate " To: joni@smoe.org Send reply to: "Kate " You tell 'em, Brett! CKUA has got quite a reputation internationally as well, from what I hear. So are you in Edmonton, Calgary, or somwhere else on the planet? I'm just out of Edmonton, and CKUA is on my radio at 6 every weekday morning. And I love the Sunday programming, and ... well, I won't go on ... but I could ... YOU know. Kate du Nord Weird Aunt Kate's Letter Out http://www.connect.ab.ca/~katej ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 09:57:01 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Janis NJC (the Rev) Vince marked his place with a scripture ribbon and intoned: >Oh memories... I haven't thought of Illinois Speed Press in years! I only think of them when I reflect that Paul Cotton later joined Poco. This of course triggers another memory, of seeing a triple bill at the Hollywood Palladium of Pogo, the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, who not only performed "Death Cab for Cutie" but famously parodied the next band, The Who. >A lot of the CTA players were from the next neighborhood over from mine. >Some of my friends remember them from when they played at the Deep End, teen >age hangout of all time. Was James Pankow as amazing on trombone then as he was when I saw him at the Free Clinic Benefit? >"Saturday in the Park" was always a favorite of mine >as it is about Lincoln park in the year of the Summer of Love, 1967. That kind of connection is always to be envied. >NPIMH; Take me back to Chicago Last time I was in Chicago was at Ravinia to see Steve Reich. Long before then I spent a chunk of my adolescence living 90 miles north of Chicago. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:08:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Janis NJC > Gil, who was buff at 35 and will someday be buff again! what you were 35 the last time you were naked? (that is what buff means here. my guess is it means something else there) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #59 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?