From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #58 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, February 6 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 058 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- LA in the '60s (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Notational notions.. [wolf ] Re: Joni Live ["Kakki" ] Joni's war stuff on CKUA ["Brett Code" ] Re: Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice, NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Janis NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Subject: NJC - London Underground ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Janis NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Janis NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice, NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Regarding reading and writing. [Michael Paz ] Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] ETJC-extremely tenuous joni content [Randy Remote ] Re: ETJC-extremely tenuous joni content [Michael Paz ] Really Good Deals on CDS (njc) ["Ron Greer" ] Re: Joni Live ["Kakki" ] Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Janis and the gang NJC ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:13:13 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: LA in the '60s (NJC) Gil wrote: > Went to a benefit for the L.A. Free Clinic on March 31, >1969, at the Aquarius Theatre during the run of Hair. Bands included Buddy >Miles, Frank Zappa and The Mothers Of Invention, Captain Beefheart (an >early gig, maybe the first), Jethro Tull (just after This Was was released; >Dharma for One and Ian Anderson tossing suckers to the crowd), Illinois >Speed Press, Red Beans & Rice (most excellent and funky, and why didn't >they ever cut an album), Linda Ronstadt, Southwind, Dillard & Clark, >Chicago Transit Authority (before the first album was released; Geeze, dude! I missed that one. I would have LOVED to see Dillard & Clark! But I did see some of the others, Linda and Jethro, of course, and: Illinois Speed Press Venice Beach Venice 4/20/69 Southwind Olympic Auditorium Los Angeles 12/31/69 Chicago (Transit Authority) The Shrine Los Angeles 11/9/68 Did you go to shows at the Shrine? What a way to learn about rock'n'roll! For sure the only way I could've remembered this stuff was to keep a list. Excuse me, there goes another brain cell or two... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:51:31 +1100 From: wolf Subject: Notational notions.. G'day folks! As a newcomer here, and an Australian currently savouring every word of the Karen O'Brien biography Shadows & Light, I thought I'd say hello (hello!) and dive right in with my fourpence on the reading and writing thread. As a long, long time contributor to the Mike Oldfield list ( http://www.amarok.f9.co.uk ) - I thought you might be interested to know that Mikey scribbles ideas that he gets in restaurants and coffee shops on Rizla cigarette papers! These are done in his own notational style, sprung from necessity in remembering the ideas and motifs required in composing twenty minute instrumentals. It is easy to understand Joni's resistance, though, especially in the face of all those specialised tunings - surely the attempt to notate these would defeat the purpose, rendering all things standard? I'm also guessing that the liberation the dear woman felt in relating to Pastorius and Tom Scott was aural and instinctive rather than written. I honestly can't imagine these people saying, "oh Joni, can you just write that down so that we can play it?" Whether it would have had an impact on her style (to read and write traditionally) will never be known - but my punt is, since that piano teacher wrapped her knuckles with the ruler for straying from traditional paths, she has always struck out in search of new forms. Notational facility may have trapped her in the standard modes she has always rebelled against. ~wolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:01:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Live Gil wrote: > Ooops. My memory misinformed me. It had to have been in 1969 that I saw > Joni at the Troubadour. Her first appearance there, according to > http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html, was in June 1968, and I was > still at Fort Benning waiting for my separation orders from active Army > duty. So it was January or May 1969, when I was living in Hollywood. > The other details I offered are reliable, however. > Blushing in chagrin, My turn to say oops, too! The performance I was thinking of was the '72. I've never checked out the appearances page before and learned some new details. Amazing she did a 12-day stint in '68. I'll have to read the story from B. Mitchell Reed in the Crosby bio again - think he may have had fuzzy details. I do recall him saying she had become such a phenomenon (due to his playing cuts off STAS before it was released) that she was sold out in advance and played the second stint. I don't think recordings from the '68 or '69 Troubadour shows have surfaced here (although some lucky and diligent traders may have these and I'd bet Mr. Dulson attended a few of the shows!). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:08:32 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: Joni's war stuff on CKUA CKUA is an independent Canadian radio network headquartered in Alberta. The collection is amazingly eclectic; the dj's, deeply knowledgeable in things musical. You can get it on the net www.ckua.org where you can see how diverse things are there - daily play lists and stuff and you can get the music online. Because they like music, they play a lot of Joni. I sponsored a few hours of a morning show, which will play some time in the next few weeks (exact date being discussed at the moment). I'm using up my requests to air a few Joni songs that don't make the radio very often - all having to do with things current in world, particularly as they concern the world war that's being engineered by our leaders: The Fiddle and the Drum The Beat of Black Wings Tax Free (the little island south of Florida is now populated by guys in orange suits in bird cages) No Apologies The Three Great Stimulants I think Joni would be pleased to hear her war stuff all in one show, trying to remind us that there is another way of looking at things. I sure will be pleased. Love and Light, Brett: trying to imagine any sane means of understanding how George Bush could be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:33:03 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice, NJC Kate wrote: <> It's called "Many Lives, Many Masters" by Brian Weiss. It is definitely the best book written on the subject of past lives, and the one I recommend first to people. It is a quick and fascinating read. I studied with him many years ago. He is a gentle and very bright man, with a tremendous heart. He has also written several other books on the subject. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:33:35 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Janis NJC Gil Lamont asked: > > Was Male Groupies For Janis Joplin truly a bunch of virile young studs or a > bunch of geeks with rampant hormones? Very virile, very much studs... Janis didn;t go for wimps. I wish I still had the Chicago Tribune clippings on MGFJJ... (the Rev) Vince, still studly after all these years (at least in my own mind) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:39:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: NJC - London Underground I wonder if they have ever done this study with airplanes. After flying home from Kauai last week in a packed plane sitting right next to the bathroom (absolutely awful)I came down with the worst flu I have had in many years. Think I will start wearing those plastic gloves like security does. I really hate flying. >>It is estimated that by holding one of the armrests, you are transferring to your body the natural oils and sweat from as many as 400 different people. << ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:39:25 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Janis NJC Gil Lamont wrote: > Went to a benefit for the L.A. Free Clinic on March 31, > 1969, Illinois > Speed Press, > Chicago Transit Authority (before the first album was released; Terry Kath > broke a string during a tune and cued the band to take over while he > replaced it). Oh memories... I haven't thought of Illinois Speed Press in years! A lot of the CTA players were from the next neighborhood over from mine. Some of my friends remember them from when they played at the Deep End, teen age hangout of all time. "Saturday in the Park" was always a favorite of mine as it is about Lincoln park in the year of the Summer of Love, 1967. (the Rev) Vince NPIMH; Take me back to Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:49:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Janis NJC Me too Jerry but since its the only time I saw her it'll have to do... >>(seeing her at Woodstock doesn't count- I don't remember much). << ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:49:16 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice, NJC YES! THANK YOU for remembering that book title...& I am so glad you so highly recommend it,---I need to read it again, it is so fascinating...how fabulous that you studied with him...I could talk with you all weekend at jonifest about this subject! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** -----Original Message----- From: AsharaJM@aol.com [mailto:AsharaJM@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:33 PM To: kate@katebennett.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice, NJC Kate wrote: <> It's called "Many Lives, Many Masters" by Brian Weiss. It is definitely the best book written on the subject of past lives, and the one I recommend first to people. It is a quick and fascinating read. I studied with him many years ago. He is a gentle and very bright man, with a tremendous heart. He has also written several other books on the subject. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:16:55 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) What about the one with Clint Eastwood? That's the only one I liked. Paz on 2/4/02 9:50 PM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > i saw S'choice again on tv in boston the week after ashara's jonifest. i > CAN'T stand streep, except for the comedies: postcards from the edge, death > becomes her, lives and loves of a she devil and defending your life [i LOVE > this movie!!!!]. she's so great when she's not possessed by this compulsion > to do accents. > but the ''choice'' scene... brother! what great acting! i think i would die > in the attempt if i tried to act that part. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:31:57 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Regarding reading and writing. Finale is one of the better ones available. Software Co. is Coda. They have student and teacher pricing (it is fecking expensive but a great program). Paz NP-Maybe I'm A Leo-Govt' Mule-The Deep End Volume 1 on 2/5/02 4:15 PM, Bree Mcdonough at bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com wrote: > I failed to mention this,sorry. Software:Composers,I don't know the name of > the CO that puts this out. And Allegro would be another. > > Bree (you will do great things What about the one with Clint Eastwood? That's the only one I liked. > Big Streep fan here. Yeah I liked that one too Paz, he was a photographer right? Bridges of something or other r. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:10:42 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) > What about the one with Clint Eastwood? That's the only one I liked. > > Paz The Bridges of Madison County. She had an Italian accent in that one. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:32:35 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) All the comments about Meryl Streep and accents - would you prefer she act without seeking the authenticity of the character she plays? Would you prefer the flat American accents that John Wayne brought to Ghengis Khan, for example, the mixture of normal American and English accents in Enemies at the Gate, which was supposed to be about Russians? In Sophie's Choice, Streep plays a Polish refugee. If you watch the movie from beginning to end, Streep's Polish accent changes and her command of English improves as the time chronology advances - her English improves the longer the character is in America, in a natural progression. Her accent changed exactly as my Aunt Wanda's did, over time. Considering the movie was not shot in sequence, that is a remarkable acheivement and added to the truth of the character that Streep protrayed. As someone with many Polish relatives, Streep's Sophie was a true presentation of a Polish refugee, language included as it ought be as language is important, and that is rare in movies. The only other Polish character done well in a non Polish made movie is Jeremy Irons in Moonlighting (the one about the Polish laborers, not the one about Cybil Sherperd and Bruce Willis). I think Streep's performance in Sophies Choice was the finest achievement by an actor in any movie ever. Period. And I must demur when people criticise Streep for her ability to speak the speech of the characters that she portrays. Many films use language coaches to help the actors do the right accent. Streep excels at it as she does in acting in total. To me, it is like knocking Streisand because she knows what she wants. It could be perhaps a sexist thing. After all, Laurence Olivier attempted a wide number of accents and was not nearly as good at them as Streep, and yet it is Streep who is dismissed as merely an accent. To me, Streep is one of the finest actors of all time. (the Rev Vince) moving from Janis Joplin thoughts to Meryl Streep thoughts - extraordinary women who have blessed us with their art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 20:35:38 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: ETJC-extremely tenuous joni content This just in- American Spirit Cigarettes (Santa Fe Tobacco), Joni's brand, has been purchased by tobacco giant RJ Reynolds. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:58:53 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: ETJC-extremely tenuous joni content Phew! Quit smoking just in time! Paz NP-Worried Down With The Blues-Govt' Mule-The Deep End Vol. 1 on 2/5/02 8:35 PM, Randy Remote at guitarzan@saber.net wrote: > This just in- > American Spirit Cigarettes (Santa Fe Tobacco), Joni's brand, has > been purchased by tobacco giant RJ Reynolds. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:20:50 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: The Last Time I Saw Joni I have been enjoying the thread about seeing Joni, but have not had time to collect my thoughts and post mine. I have been fortunate enough to see her 5 times live and in different cities everytime. I have seen her twice with Dylan and was really not interested in the Dylan part both times. The first time was in Houston in 1976 for the Night of the Huricane tour. I was attending USL in Lafayette Louisiana and hitched over with some friends. I even enjoyed Dylan on this tour (I have seen him several times since and didn;t enjoy him as much as this time). Of course Joni did not play enough since it was a circus sort of Dylan planned thing. The next time was almost 10 years later in Baton Rouge, Louisiana when Freda got tickets (she was still at LSU then b4 we were married and she STILL liked Joni but I digress). She was really worried that the tickets were too far from the stage but we were about 5 rows in front of the House Console dead center. I was floored (no pun intended). Her version of Banquet on this tour was as if Robert Plant and Jimmy Page had gotten ahold of the Tab and hard rocked it out. It was so brilliant and I remember wanting a copy of that version so bad ( now I have so many versions in my collection thanks list!). I also remember her fucking up the lyrics to something from Court and Spark (my memory tells me it was Court and Spark, but it might have been Help Me). I remember thinking that this made her seem so reachable and human, where as most of the bands and artists at that time were so larger than life. The next time was in San Jose Cal. during the 1998 tour with Dylan. I was sick as a dawg, but still managed to love the show and my boy Kev got us some great seats in the floor section sort of close to where Julius was seated. This was my first time meeting other folks from the JMDL before the show. The last time I saw Joni was in LA in 00 and the orchestra. Oh what a wonderful treat to see her in this format. I wrote a review of the show for jonimitchell.com. I would love to see her again and again and am content with any way she chooses to perform, but would just love to hear her play the piano a few more times. The picture I have burned in my memory of her at the piano is one I will never forget. I have a feeling we won't be let down and that she is not quite through yet especially since she is ripe for falling in love again. Love Paz NP-Sin's A Good Man's Brother-Govt' Mule-The Deep End Vol 1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:36:43 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Really Good Deals on CDS (njc) Hi i just thought id give everyone here a heads up on this. one of our local south african internet retailers ( www.kalahari.net ) is having a 25% off sale on cds. to give you an idea - johnny clegg cds are selling for R44.25 (usd 3.75) and dog eat dog and CMIARS are selling for R 66 (usd 5.50) each. unfortunately foreign shipping charges are quite high ( R200 - usd 16.67 ) but for a large order it would still be worth it. an alternative would be to use my home address as the delivery address, which would bring shipping down to R 29.95 (usd 2.50) and i could forward them on at normal postal rates, which a quite reasonable. anyone interested in buying can feel free to contact me off-list. ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:28:29 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Live Well Gil, it's me that's fuzzy again! I looked it up and the story actually came from Joni's former manager Elliot Roberts telling about how Crosby had everyone over to hear Joni play at his house. He goes on "The next day B. Mitchell Reed talked about it on the radio, how there was this girl in town named Joni Mitchell that's recording an album and there's nothing he can play new, but whenever this album comes out, it's going to be be one of the greatest albums of all time. David set it up so that when the album finally came out, everyone in L.A. was aware of Joni Mitchell. The first club date she played, at the Troubadour, was standing room only for four nights, two shows a night.....By the time Joni's record came out she was an industry legend, properly positioned for breakout success..." Kakki > The BeeMeR! I remember him from the golden days of underground FM, his deep > bass voice bringing us into his confidence and lending importance to > anything he told us. As for his fuzzy details ... hey, it was the 1960s. Be > amazed we who survived it even can spell our names. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:39:17 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) >jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > > What about the one with Clint Eastwood? That's the only one I liked. > > > >Big Streep fan here. Yeah I liked that one too Paz, he was a photographer >right? Bridges of something or other Bridges Of Madison County. Loved this flick. Two of the best scenes in that movie are.IMHO, is when Eastwood and Streep are slow dancing in the kitchen. Steamy or what? Then when Streeps husband returns and they are driving in town and Eastwood is driving in front of them. It takes everything this woman has not to jump out of the truck and jump into Clint's truck and into his arms. Streep played this scene brilliantly you could actually feel her yearning, her pain for Eastwood's character. Bree.....who needs a cool anything at this moment.... >r. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:40:24 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice/New Zealand accents (NJC) In a message dated 2/5/02 11:34:35 PM, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << After all, Laurence Olivier attempted a wide number of accents and was not nearly as good at them as Streep, and yet it is Streep who is dismissed as merely an accent. To me, Streep is one of the finest actors of all time. >> Well, now, hold on there, Reverend Vince. I agree. Meryl rules. Sometimes when I see something on TV about how great the actors were in days gone by, I like to throw a shoe or two at the TV while screaming, "Meryl Streep, you idiot, Meryl Streep!" But I think I know what happened with Meryl and her reputation for doing accents and all. It wasn't "Sophie's Choice" that made her Hollywood's accent pariah. It was when she did that awful New Zealand movie about the horrible New Zealand woman who fed her little New Zealand baby to that mean New Zealand dingo. I think it was called "The Dingo Did It" or something like that. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:45:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Janis and the gang NJC Oh my my my, I got a contact high reading this ;-) > Here's another. Went to a benefit for the L.A. Free Clinic on March 31, > 1969, at the Aquarius Theatre during the run of Hair. Bands included Buddy > Miles, Frank Zappa and The Mothers Of Invention, Captain Beefheart (an > early gig, maybe the first), Jethro Tull (just after This Was was released; > Dharma for One and Ian Anderson tossing suckers to the crowd), Illinois > Speed Press, Red Beans & Rice (most excellent and funky, and why didn't > they ever cut an album), Linda Ronstadt, Southwind, Dillard & Clark, > Chicago Transit Authority (before the first album was released; Terry Kath > broke a string during a tune and cued the band to take over while he > replaced it). Besides this being amazing it brought back a wonderful memory for me. A friend had a cousin who was a big shot in the record biz back then and one night she came over with an armload of promo records he'd given her for both of us, including "This Was," the first CTA and the Al Kooper Blood Sweat & Tears "Child is Father to the Man." We sat for hours playing these albums, none of which were yet released yet. One of the greatest nights of music I've ever experienced. Somewhere in college, I'm afraid they ended up in someone else's record collection. > What a sense of community we had back then. Yes we sure did and it's so great to hear from someone else who was there, too. > What was your art teacher, some kind of subversive pinko liberal hippie? > (Ooops, different discussion group. ;-) ) LOL, actually I always thought of her as a bit conservative in manner although she was a ringer for Joni but kind of like Joni's twin who joined a sorority. The previous year we put on a student art show at the school and blasted Country Joe and the Fish's "Electric Music for Mind and Body" the entire day and I sold one of my psychedelic pieces to one of the student counselors. The subversive liberal hippie bohemian taught me art senior year but he was super serious and would not allow any music or distractions in pursuit of our craft! ;-) > You're lucky to have received that kind of education when California > schooling still meant something. Hmm, yeah I was very lucky. Kakki NP: Jethro Tull - Living in the Past ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #58 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?