From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #56 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, February 5 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 056 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- John Calimee [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: janis movie njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: 101 things NJC [Steve Dulson ] Re: 101 things [Steve Dulson ] Re: 101 things NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Wally B. [Vince Lavieri ] RE: Wally B. ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Wally Breeze [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Janis NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Janis NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics [Michael Paz ] Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics (Now Jonifest 2002) NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Janis NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Sophie's Choice (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Wally B. [Michael Paz ] Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics - NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Reading music ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Wally B. [Catherine McKay ] Re: Dylan Live (NJC) [Les Irvin ] Beltway Minifest?? [Lori in MD ] Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: janis movie njc [] Re: janis movie njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Jonatha Brooke at DIY Convention LA NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Jonifest CD's [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Reading music [RobSher50@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:29:29 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: John Calimee Sorry for the bandwith everyone, but I lost John Calimee's e-mail address, and need to get in touch with him. John or anyone that knows his e-mail, please get in touch with me! Thanks! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:32:24 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: janis movie njc > mack, i am also a huge janis fan, and i'm one of those > who doesn't want a movie made cause how could they get > it right? I agree Alison. Have always felt bitter and resentful that Janis did not and was not getting the recognition that I felt she deserved. But at the same time I didn't and don't want something to come out that will taint her memory or not be true to who she was. Have always been really protective and defensive where Janis is concerned. Back in small town texas they would make fun of her when they heard her sing. I would explode. Could not stand it and could not understand how they could not "get it." Felt as if it was me they were making fun of and in a way, it was. "little girl blue"-"I know just how you feel" --and I knew that she did. > but lily taylor...she'd come really close. the only > other person i think that could come close to her > energy is ani difranco, who doesnt act. as far as i > know. Yes, Lily would be good. She is one heck of an actress. (Anyone else noticed how actresses now are called actors. The word actress is out. Is that feminism or what? What caused the change?)Haven't heard of difranco. going to have to check her out. Said > > Jennifer Tilly She better not be Janis. Ugh! No way. > > IIIICKKKK! i hope she plays a hot dog vendor, or some > equally unimportant role. i can't get over her voice > or lack of acting ability. She could be Peggy Caserta I suppose. Haven't liked her since she allowed herself to play that awful role in the remake of "the getaway". Repugnant. The scene where she taunted her husband made me physically ill and even now thinking back on it, I am revulsed. Hollywood went too far with that one. > > > and Sam Andrew and others to be announced. Even > > now, Sam rides The > > soundtrack album is to be done by a singer named > > Laura Theodore. > > isn't she one of the women who did the "love, janis" > play? I don't know. Never heard of her either. Was hoping the collective and seemingly all knowing intelligence here would have the answer. take care, mack np: Carole King -Thoroughbred (courtesy of the sweet south american gentleman Wally Kairuz) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:45:04 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: 101 things NJC >My deepest apologies Steve and all others. I will try to remember to >put NJC on things. Usually I answer privately...but this time I did >not. Hi Sharon! Actually, I was bugging you about trimming the messages that you are replying to - it's someone else's job to do the NJC harassing. :) Please try to edit off most of the old message before you send it back to the list. Thanks! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:46:37 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: 101 things >Didn't I do a good job trimming your post? ;-) I thought Lori was >meaning me when I saw her post the other day. Guilty conscience I >guess. Thanks.. I will try to be mindful and trim more. Thanks Bree, much appreciated. By me, but not, I guess, by Colin. Oh well. Teach me to read *his* posts! :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:59:46 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: 101 things NJC Again Steve...my apologies. I will try to improve. Steve Dulson wrote: Hi Sharon! Actually, I was bugging you about trimming the > messages that you are replying to - it's someone else's > job to do the NJC harassing. :) Please try to edit off > most of the old message before you send it back to the > list. Thanks! > -- > Sharon wrote: > > >My deepest apologies Steve and all others. I will try to remember to > >put NJC on things. Usually I answer privately...but this time I did > >not. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:00:43 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Wally B. I was just reading in my journal from 2 years ago, and saw that on Feb. 4th Wally Breese passed away. I can't believe that 2 years have gone by so quickly, yet I still think of Wally every time I sign on the computer. If it wasn't for this wonderful man, there would be no JoniMitchell.com, and no JMDL, and I wouldn't have met so many wonderful people. Thank you Wally. Thanks for helping me learn so much about Joni. I know you're keeping track of us, and you know what a great job that J.J. and Les are doing. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:09:32 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Wally B. Jimmy wrote: > Thank you Wally. Thanks for helping me learn so much about Joni. I know > you're keeping track of us, and you know what a great job that J.J. and Les > are doing. > > I second that emotion Jimmy! love, jody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:18:17 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Wally B. Wow, Jimmy, thanks for the reminder. He was such a kind and wonderful friend. And everything that you say is so exactly right, jimmy, thank you. Remembering Wally -- (the Rev) Vince FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I was just reading in my journal from 2 years ago, and saw that on Feb. 4th > Wally Breese passed away. I can't believe that 2 years have gone by so > quickly, yet I still think of Wally every time I sign on the computer. If it > wasn't for this wonderful man, there would be no JoniMitchell.com, and no > JMDL, and I wouldn't have met so many wonderful people. > > Thank you Wally. Thanks for helping me learn so much about Joni. I know > you're keeping track of us, and you know what a great job that J.J. and Les > are doing. > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:23:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Wally B. waaaaaaaaaaaaaallyyyyyyyy!!!!!! hey there, beautiful beautiful beautiful wally breese! we owe it all to you and les and jim! keep an eye in us, baby, and you owe me a kiss when i go to heaven. the lesser wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:26:40 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally Breeze In a message dated 2/4/02 8:02:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Thank you Wally. Thanks for helping me learn so much about Joni. I know > you're keeping track of us, and you know what a great job that J.J. and Les > > are doing. > I hate to just throw in a tidbit here, but a big me TOO You've said it well Jimmy. Thanks for reminded us of the anniversary of Wally's passing. I remember now, it fell just a few days short of his birthday, Feb. 7th I believe. (sigh) rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:35:21 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Janis NJC Alison, the various Janis movies (different sets of people pitching different movie scripts) have been kicking around way too long for me to have any confidence that either one will ever be made. And there is no actress or singer who can do our Janis any justice. If the play "Love, Janis" ever comes your way, do see it. It is as close to experiencing her as we will ever again. It is based on her letters to the family, and is a bit more than Laura's book of the same name. Sam Andrews is usually director or at least involved in each production, and because it has the involvement of Laura and Michael Joplin (her brother and sister) some people think it is a bit sanitized but I don't think so. Even in the play, there are three lead actresses: one plays "Janis" and does the spoken parts, and two play "Janis Joplin" doing the singing, alternating performances because of the vocal demands. Janis has been ill served in that there is no discusson group for her like this one. The JMDL is unique as Joni - but then so Janis was unique. But while Joni seems to have a lot of fans who are caring and generous and sharing, a lot of the Janis discussion groups tend to be people who are more interested with showing off and being more Janis-y than anyone else. Michael Jopli ceased to be involved in a lot of the discussion groups because all they did was bitch about things. There was no sense of community. Janis deserved better. The family's Janis site is http://officialjanis.com/ and should announce if "Love, Janis" is coming your way. Another decent Janis sites: http://janisjoplin.net/ A discussion list for Janis that is pretty lame but still better than the others: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/janisjoplin/?yguid=65418573 (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:47:04 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Janis NJC In a message dated 2/4/02 8:36:31 PM, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << The family's Janis site is http://officialjanis.com/ >> Thanks for this, Vince. I loved Janis. I always will. I was unsure whether or the Janis concert I saw was her last, but then I read the following on the site: August 12, 1970 Full Tilt Boogie - their last concert. Harvard Stadium, Cambridge, MA I was there, and I will never forget it. Three days later she was at her infamous 10th high school reunion in Port Arthur. And within two months she was dead. Such a profound loss. It's sad that there's no comparable JMDL-type list for Janis, but she *was* very young when she died so long ago. Joni, on the other hand, has been creating music -- among other forms of art -- for more than 30 years since Janis' death, so there is more of a body of work to discuss, in addition to the usual peanut butter and cottaging ramblings. --Bob PS: By the way, thanks to you and the University of Michigan for Tom Brady! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:55:27 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics What no cell phones? No Sat phones? No computers? Ah shit I'm not coming! on 2/4/02 6:30 AM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY COOL, Donna!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for putting them up so we > could vicariously join in. > > BTW everyone, there aren't any phone lines to the rooms at Jonifest 2002, so > if you want to know what is happening, you'll have to sign up, and BE THERE!! > We won't be able to send you updates from Jonifest Central the way we always > have before. ;-) > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:53:33 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics (Now Jonifest 2002) NJC In a message dated 2/4/2002 9:48:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > What no cell phones? No Sat phones? No computers? Ah shit I'm not coming! > Too late! I already have your NON-REFUNDABLE deposit!! :-P Hugs, Ashara {tee hee} ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:54:04 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Janis NJC That's beautiful Bob. It must have been awesome. That is a great site. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:06:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Sophie's Choice (NJC) I saw that movie in its entirety only once & was devastated by the "choice" scene. Ashara, I can't imagine seeing that movie pregnant! Everytime I come across this movie on tv I watch it because it is so compelling...but when it starts getting near to that part I have to switch it to something else...that is the only movie I can think of that I can't bear to experience again...I have been able to watch the Excorcist & Silence of the Lambs all alone in my house (late at night) but never Sophie's Choice... Like Mags & Ashara, I have always been very drawn to Holocaust related movies & books...I have had strong feelings/recollections of living through that time but I am not Jewish (in this lifetime). ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:10:22 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Wally B. Really hard to believe and I have to agree that everytime I come to the computer I think of him. What a special place we have here in Wally World and Les World not to mention Joni World and more importantly ASHARA World! Love Paz NP-Nobody Girl-RA on 2/4/02 5:00 PM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I was just reading in my journal from 2 years ago, and saw that on Feb. 4th > Wally Breese passed away. I can't believe that 2 years have gone by so > quickly, yet I still think of Wally every time I sign on the computer. If it > wasn't for this wonderful man, there would be no JoniMitchell.com, and no > JMDL, and I wouldn't have met so many wonderful people. > > Thank you Wally. Thanks for helping me learn so much about Joni. I know > you're keeping track of us, and you know what a great job that J.J. and Les > are doing. > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 21:11:28 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics - NJC OK OK OK !~!!!!! Yet! I'm not coming yet! Paz on 2/4/02 7:01 PM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/4/02 9:50:16 PM, Paz writes: > > << Ah shit I'm not coming! >> > > Yeah, right. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:01:03 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics - NJC In a message dated 2/4/02 9:50:16 PM, Paz writes: << Ah shit I'm not coming! >> Yeah, right. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 19:12:48 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Reading music >BUT, now it's interesting to me to study more >mainstream music. I've always been mystified by the >ability to write music with 'normal' chords, without >turning your guitar inside out. I think it's a lot >harder than using alternate tunings. (Perhaps this >isn't the case for others...) Anne your take is very interesting too. I would have thought just the opposite. Of course *unlike* you I am not a musician nor a songwriter. I can hit a few chords on the guitar and a little on the piano.. that is the extent of it. Did you hear Joni's explanation of her alternate/open tunings on the MUCHMUSIC program she did in 94'? Priceless!! Thanks for your insight. Bree NP:Joni,Shadow and Light video. (My Gawd....the amazing Jaco I have never seen him actually play before. Mesmerizing comes to mind) >lots of love >Anne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:25:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wally B. - --- Scott and Jody wrote: > Jimmy wrote: > > > > Thank you Wally. Thanks for helping me learn so > much about Joni. > > > > > I second that emotion Jimmy! > love, > jody Amen. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:25:36 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Dylan Live (NJC) At 2/4/2002 10:53 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >Look out Cindy Lou Who, Les will delurk and make you sit in the corner! :~) What? Huh? Did someone insult His Bobness? Do we need some quiet time Cindy? :-) Actually, I agree with the other Bob (aka Muller)... the thing one has to love about Dylan is the same thing one also hates about him - his relentless, unending, 40-year pursuit of his own muse in which he confounds fans and critics at every turn, always refusing to compromise or look back. Les (Dylan fan :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Beltway Minifest?? Well, here's an idea for a Beltway minifest (and I'm sending this just once w/o NJC in case any Joni-onlies would like to get together, too): Gregg Cagno is scheduled to perform at the River Road Unitarian Church in Bethesda, MD (inside the Beltway), on Sunday, March 17. Other performers include Tom Prasada-Rao, and Bill Parsons & Eric Weinberg. Performances begin at 7 pm. (See www.greggcagno.com for more info.) I've been planning for awhile to attend -- want to make it a minifest? Lori in MD (near DC) P.S. - John & Claudia, will you be in the U.S. that weekend? ~ Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:11:21 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) Kate wrote: <> You might be interested to read two books by Rabbi Yonassan Gershom Beyond the Ashes : Cases of Reincarnation from the Holocaust and From Ashes to Healing : Mystical Encounters With the Holocaust : Fifteen True Stories If you feel as though you have lived through the Holocaust, these books will give you goosebumps! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:40:23 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: janis movie njc > Yes, Lily would be good. She is one heck of an actress. Lili Taylor is underrated but for anyone who wants a dose of what she can do, see her in Abel Ferrara's THE ADDICTION where she played an thropology grad student who moonlights as a vampire! She was also great as Valarie Solanas in I SHOT ANDY WARHOL. She is luminous in small films like HOUSEHOLD SAINTS and she gave a certain class to this Mel Gibson film called RANSOM. Yes, she is the actress who comes close to being Janis Joplin. (Anyone else > noticed how actresses now are called actors. The word actress is out. > Is that feminism or what? What caused the change?) I heard in the linguistic/art studies academic circles that as the English language has inherent sexism (because what language would say: "everyone must submit HIS paper..." among others), they are trying to do away with the words that expressly distinguish males from females (in journal articles which pride themselves as stalwarts in political correctness, even a woman is spelled "wommon" while women is now "womyn"). Since almost all other words that used to denote the female equivalent (authoress, poetess, aviatrix, etc.) were now rarely used, some are saying that "actress" will now be called actor, such that in the Oscar race, it comes out like: Best Performance by a Female Lead Actor. Haven't heard of > difranco. going to have to check her out. A friend spent the weekend at home and he played Ani Di Franco no end. He was playing this ep of hers, and like you, I am going to check her out soon. But I was told that her label (Righteous Babe?) is too indie that it might not come to the Philippine shores at all. > Said >> > Jennifer Tilly. She better not be Janis. Ugh! No way. >> IIIICKKKK! i hope she plays a hot dog vendor, or some >> equally unimportant role. i can't get over her voice >> or lack of acting ability. I agree, but I also believe that there are ceratin roles that suit that "whiny" voice. She was outstanding in Woody Allen's BULLETS OVER BROADWAY and she convinced me in BOUND that her character, Violet, is worth dying for (in this case, Gina Gershon). later all, Joseph np: John Pizzarelli "I Like Jersey Best" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:44:40 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: janis movie njc Great thoughts Joseph. Thanks, especially for the actor info. And don't forget Lily in Dogfight. She was also excellent in that one too. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:37:01 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jonatha Brooke at DIY Convention LA NJC I can't go (waaaa!) but here is the info: The 2nd Annual DIY Music Convention, Los Angeles, CA February 8, 9, 10, 2002 http://alcasid.com/sites/diyconvention). Jonatha Brooke is on the lunchtime Q & A panel ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:50:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Sophie's Choice (NJC) i saw S'choice again on tv in boston the week after ashara's jonifest. i CAN'T stand streep, except for the comedies: postcards from the edge, death becomes her, lives and loves of a she devil and defending your life [i LOVE this movie!!!!]. she's so great when she's not possessed by this compulsion to do accents. but the ''choice'' scene... brother! what great acting! i think i would die in the attempt if i tried to act that part. wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 01:44:04 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Jonifest CD's Hi everyone! Just wanted to let you know that Sharon Buffington was kind enough to send me copies of the Jonifest CD's and I have to tell you; I was COMPLETELY blown away by the voices I heard; and I've only listened to the first Jonifest CD! Wow, Wow, Wow! I sat at my computer mesmerized not only by the sounds I heard, but by the depth of emotion in which they were presented. Hearing my Joni list members pouring out their hearts in song is an absolutely WONDERFUL treat! I feel extremely honored to be in the company of such talented individuals. (Are you getting that I was soooo impressed?) My only dilemma is that I do not know who is singing on each track. Is there any listing of these wonderful people on the Discussion List home page or in anyone's possession? I would LOVE to know who I am listening to. I need listings for all 5 Jonifest CD's. I could listen to these CD's over and over and over again. I can feel the love for Joni's music coming through each song and each performer. Awesome! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:02:00 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Reading music Dear Fred, I have to agree with you. I play by ear, and I taught myself to understand music by learning Theory and learning to understand rhythm charts. I read guitar chords very well, which is how I play the piano believe it or not. I would love to be able to read and play sheet music, but I have trouble coordinating my right and left hands while attempting to play a piece of music. I truly believe it is partly because of the Synesthesia I've had all of my life. Many Synesthetes have trouble with left-right coordination. Many do not. I guess I was selected for the first group. For me, it is not a choice. There was always so much difficulty trying to get the coordination right, that I simply gave up trying. I wonder how many of those listed below have had the same difficulty. Take it from me, it is so much harder to come up with an alternative way to communicate your songs to other musicians when there is a musical language already in existence. I also have to say that learning Music Theory has actually "enhanced" my appreciation of music rather than diminished it. Many of these artists may have never been afforded the opportunity of music lessons, but were still driven by something deep inside to pursue this passion. (Jill Scott is also unable to read music) I did take music lessons for about six months, but my frustrations were compounded by a piano teacher who was not really very good. After him, I was never able to secure the opportunity again with a better teacher. Sherelle In a message dated 02/04/2002 4:30:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 03:45:37 EST > From: FredNow@aol.com > Subject: Reading music > > >A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE:Why do some of the GREATS i.e. Joni,Paul > >McCartney,Errol Garner,Buddy Rich,prefer or choose not to read nor write > >music? I understand that maybe in doing so would somehow curtail their > >creative juices/flow > > That's a myth ... it can only enhance. That's like saying an illiterate > person who speaks and thinks well would be hampered by learning to read and > > write. > > - -Fred ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #56 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?