From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 4 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 055 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Hello (again), and Thank You! (sjc) NJC [M.Russell@iaea.org] RE: tips for vacationing with the limeys (njc) ["Ron Greer" ] Re: Today in History: February 3 [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni Prints [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Prairie Theatre Exchange presents "Joni Mitchell: River" inWinnipeg [] Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: Reading music ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Reading music [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Reading music ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Joni live LONG [Lori in MD ] Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Reading music ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) [Mags N Brei ] Re: laughing and crying you know it's the same release [Phyliss Ward ] New Address and Joni on Jeopardy [CoyoteRick@aol.com] NJC Re: New Address and Joni on Jeopardy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Dylani Live (NJC) [Gil Lamont ] Re: Dylani Live (NJC) [cvickery@danielrealty.com] Re: Joni Live [Gil Lamont ] Re: Dylani Live (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Dylani Live(njc) ["Johnson Victor" ] Playing Joni on Piano (njc) [Steve Polifka ] Re: Dylan Live (NJC) [Scott and Jody ] Re: Dylani Live (NJC) [Gerald Notaro ] Re: Playing Joni on Piano (njc) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: what's the temperature in hell? (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: RE: Hello (again), and Thank You! (sjc) NJC [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Reading music [anne@sandstrom.com] (sjc) SF Bay Area get-together(s) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Defending Your Life (NJC) [Alison E ] Re: Joni live LONG ["Janine Sherman" ] Re: Defending Your Life (NJC) [colin ] Joni and Ozzy Osbourne? ["Johnson Victor" ] david bowie in drag (kinda NJC) [Alison E ] Beltway Minifest?? (NJC) [Lori in MD ] Re: david bowie in drag (kinda NJC) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: david bowie in drag (kinda NJC) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Reading music ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Joni in Q's The 100 Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Photographs ["Jamie Zubair] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:00:08 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Hello (again), and Thank You! (sjc) NJC Hi Walt - Thanks for the compliments. I hope you also meant to include Mark Domyancich. and Sue McNamara - the other two guitar heavyweights at jmdl.com. Without Sue (and Les Irvin, of course), the guitar database would not even exist, and without Mark, well we would have had to wait a long time for transcriptions of songs like Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Black Crow, and Blue Motel Room, to name just a few. I can't even imagine trying to work out the piano parts from guitar tablature! What a novel approach! I'm curious about your process. Do you sit at the piano with your guitar and the guitar transcriptions and then work out the chords on the piano? I have found most of the available piano music sadly lacking in critical details and have always resorted to listening to a piece over and over (and even then it's still sometimes hard). I think the Anthology (the one with the pastel-peach-colored cover) songbook has some better than average piano transcriptions, but I think you'd still have to refer to the recordings in most cases. Anthology is still available from amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com, I think. It's cheaper there than trying to get it from eBay. Or try www.abebooks.com. Regards, Marian Vienna P.S. I have been home for the last three weeks recovering from flu, two (possibly three) colds, and bad back. I think I'm finally on the mend and am back at work today. If anybody has written to me privately, I'll try to get to your message ASAP. I haven't been keeping up with JMDL at all, so sorry if I've missed anything. On 29 January 2002 01:09, BigWaltinSF@aol.com [SMTP:BigWaltinSF@aol.com] wrote: > Hi, Howard and Marian, > > You've both sent mer good musical advice in the past, and I was just surfing > through the guitar database, and although I'm some sort of pianist, I can > make sense of the tablature -- not least because you've explained it so well. > > A very big thanks to both of you for all the work you do! > > I'm trying to teach myself to play piano directly from tablature arrangements > -- I can already sort of do it from chord names and make up my own > "arrangements" that differ from the published ones -- but your tablatures for > songs like "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey" which are very much guitar songs, > give so much more information than the published piano arrangements, some of > which are oversimplified and/or hard to find now (although that may change if > she ever puts out her "Complete" Books -- any news on that?). > > And I have yet to make a dent in all the songs available. > > Thanks again, and keep up the good work! > > Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:05:30 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: RE: tips for vacationing with the limeys (njc) hi >>>colin wrote >>>Blackcurrant jam and crunchy peanut butter. What a mix! one of my favourites too!! i never "got" marmalade, but, for a real treat, crunchy peanut butter with a nice thick layer of mayonnaise just cant be beaten!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 03:45:37 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Reading music >A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE:Why do some of the GREATS i.e. Joni,Paul >McCartney,Errol Garner,Buddy Rich,prefer or choose not to read nor write >music? I understand that maybe in doing so would somehow curtail their >creative juices/flow That's a myth ... it can only enhance. That's like saying an illiterate person who speaks and thinks well would be hampered by learning to read and write. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 03:58:29 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: February 4 On February 4 the following article was published: 1992: "Is this any way to deal with a recession?" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Art Show) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/920204lat.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 03:58:29 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: February 4 On February 4 in Joni Mitchell History: 1966: Joni performs tonight and tomorrow at The Chess Mate in Detroit. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 06:00:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Reading music fred is so right about this. how i wish i knew how to read and write music and not only chord charts. i would know how to play more than a hundred of my own songs that i have forgotten through the years. it is hard enough to figure out what i'm playing and what tuning i am using when i listen to an old tape, but it is virtually impossible to remember the melody, the finger style, the tempo when all you have is a set of lyrics and the chord progressions. what i do think might hamper your musicianship or your creativity is a bad music teacher. when i was a child, i took piano lessons for exactly three weeks. the solfege was ***TOO MUCH***. i wonder if there is any other way to learn how to read and write music. any breakthroughs in sight reading learning techniques? any self-study methods? is solfege all there is to LIFE??????? wallyK, growing frantic now - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de FredNow@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 04 de Febrero de 2002 05:46 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Reading music> That's a myth ... it can only enhance. That's like saying an illiterate person who speaks and thinks well would be hampered by learning to read and write. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:46:49 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History: February 3 <<1974: Joni performs at Barton Hall on the campus of Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, along with Tom Scott and The LA Express. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/docs/740207i.cfm>> I was there, hanging on to every word and every note! I still have the newspaper clippings from that concert. Was anyone else in the audience? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:02:19 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni Prints Wally mentioned while sending Happy Birthday wishes to Jack: <> Just a reminder about these prints and fundraiser. Jack has done a really wonderful portrait of Joni, and the lines are actually her song titles and lyrics. I still have some prints left, and would love to sell some to raise some cash for jmdl.com and jonimitchell.com. Please check it out, and buy some today!! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:20:34 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Prairie Theatre Exchange presents "Joni Mitchell: River" inWinnipeg Michael Paz wrote: > He is amazing around the Bar-B-Que as well. Some people just have to come > out in their own good time. I have a feeling that we will see Jerry in a > setting that is totally beautiful and maybe with the Goddess herself in > attendance. What do you day Jerry?? I say I came out LONG ago! Jerry :-) Hope you survived SuperBowl. We had the craziness here last year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:30:29 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: So Cal Jonifest Pics WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY COOL, Donna!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for putting them up so we could vicariously join in. BTW everyone, there aren't any phone lines to the rooms at Jonifest 2002, so if you want to know what is happening, you'll have to sign up, and BE THERE!! We won't be able to send you updates from Jonifest Central the way we always have before. ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 06:37:47 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Reading music >fred is so right about this. how i wish i knew how to read and write music >and not only chord charts. i would know how to play more than a hundred of >my own songs that i have forgotten through the years. Well,last night I went to a SUPERBORE party and asked this question. I just got these WIDE OPEN STARES! Anywho,some of the answers were interesting. My artist sister said that a muscian not reading music would be like her not able to know what oils (colors)can be mixed together.....primary colors etc. Somebody yelled,"Because they are lazy!!" (Always ONE in every crowd ) Someone commented that maybe Joni's music and Paul's would have been even better had they learned to read and write music. I really question this??? Thanks for your responses. This is a question that I have thought about over the years. Bree >That's a myth ... it can only enhance. That's like saying an illiterate >person who speaks and thinks well would be hampered by learning to read and >write. > >-Fred _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:50:55 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Reading music Well.....just throwing out a little IMHO here.....perhaps they didn't have the "apptitude" for learning how to read/write music. I was a voice major in college, and still sing/play guitar in a World Music band. Of course, solfege, basic piano, music theory, etc. were all required courses, but somehow, I never "really" understood the whole reading music thing, and had to take solfege more than once to pass it. I have a very good ear, and can pick up anything I need to learn by just listening to it. I can tell when someone in the band is "off" but I can't tell them whether it is a C or a C sharp they are singing wrong. So, perhaps others are the same? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:04:10 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Reading music Dear Fred: I guess I would not like to tell Joni, Paul, or Gershwin their belief that learning to read music or write it down fucks with their creativity is all wrong...that instead they would be enhanced. :) You do it Fred. LOL I think I understand what these great persons are saying though. I can only imagine that it would be a great bother having to take the time to write down words and notes as I went along...while having a song raging in my head. I may want nothing more than to play it...sing it..feel it. I guess each person has their own approach...whatever works. :) Love and peace.....Sharon FredNow@aol.com wrote: > > >A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE:Why do some of the GREATS i.e. Joni,Paul > >McCartney,Errol Garner,Buddy Rich,prefer or choose not to read nor write > >music? I understand that maybe in doing so would somehow curtail their > >creative juices/flow > > That's a myth ... it can only enhance. That's like saying an illiterate > person who speaks and thinks well would be hampered by learning to read and > write. > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:04:02 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Joni live LONG > When she ascended to the stage, it was impossible to digest that I had > just shared her air space for over an hour. Janine, what a lovely post! May I note that your subject can be read another way? "Joni, live LONG!" Are you going to this year's fest? I'd be happy (and honored) to drive up 15 and pick you up! Lori (your Canton sis) ~ Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:05:41 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) Joseph wrote: > SOPHIE'S CHOICE is heart-wrenching. Meryl Streep appeared in Oprah many > seasons ago and she related how it was very very difficult for her to film > the scene where she was made to choose which child will have to go. She > told the director that she wouldn't want to revisit Sophie's dilemma > because as a mother, she can relate. When one watches the film, its hard to > > fight back tears. OMG!!!! This movie was more than heartwrenching!!! I was pregnant with my second child when another couple suggested we all go out to the movies and see this. On a good day, I wear my heart on my sleeve and cry easily, but pregnant...well, just forget about it! I started crying softly about 10 minutes into the movie, as all movies/things about the Holocaust affect me that way. By the time she had to choose between her 2 children, I was a TOTAL wreck!! People were actually moving their seats away from me so they could hear the movie! God, how embarrassing! Well, I continued that way through the whole movie, and for 3 HOURS afterwards! Needless to say, the other couple decided to go home instead of coming back to our house as planned. Haven't thought about that movie for a long time. {sigh} Hugs, Ashara {who hasn't posted this much in AGES!} ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:38:13 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Reading music >I can only imagine that it would be a great bother having to take the time >to >write down words and notes as I went along...while having a song raging >in my head. I may want nothing more than to play it...sing it..feel it. >I guess each person has their own approach...whatever works. My name isn't Fred. (maybe in a past life, Joseph perhaps?) I think you have something Sherrie.....best, most thought-provoking response yet. I like it! "I may want nothing more than to play it...sing it..feel it!!! Bree-RMS > > That's a myth ... it can only enhance. That's like saying an illiterate > > person who speaks and thinks well would be hampered by learning to read >and > > write. > > > > -Fred _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Sophie's Choice (NJC) > Joseph wrote: > > > SOPHIE'S CHOICE is heart-wrenching. > > and then Ashara wrote: > > OMG!!!! This movie was more than heartwrenching!!! I started crying softly about > 10 > minutes into the movie, as all movies/things about the Holocaust > affect me > that way. By the time she had to choose between her 2 children, I was > a TOTAL > Hugs, > Ashara {who hasn't posted this much in AGES!} and now me: I cry at the thought of that scene, nevermind the whole movie. I am also deeply affected by all things Holocaust related, so already, I was set up for losing it. It is one of the most painful scenes I have ever seen in a film. I can still hear her daughter screaming for her mother as she is being carried off by a German soldier. I could not believe my eyes when this happened. Horrific. Anytime someone loses a child, I am a major mess. Mags, appreciating the diversion, sort of. np: snow falling yes Mark, it really does have a rhythm, a sound. Beautiful. ===== it's a miracle! Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:58:20 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: laughing and crying you know it's the same release Hey, I heard that one too the other day at the grocery store! Mags N Brei wrote: > ..in the midst of all hell breaking loose today, > i placed a call to the Children's Hospital of South > Western Ontario and they played a MUZAK version of > Just Like This Train. Didnt know whether to laugh or cry. > > any more stories of Joni in weird and/or unexpected places? > > Mags > np: Trouble Child > > ===== > it's a miracle! > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:59:04 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Re; Joni Live (NJC) >Willy (the Shake) >If you go see Diana Krall. Remind that bitch of the bloke in New Orleans >(jazz Fest last) that asked her to do Case of You, and she glared at me >like >I would have asked her to take a crap on the stage. I have my tickets for Diana for March 17 and she will sing....CASE OF YOU. I'm bringing her roses and she won't refuse. lol... "she glared at me like I would have asked her to take a crap on the stage." I'm also bringing my/her cd's for her to sign. (I'm going to tell her too that this is my second set of CD's I purchased of hers the first set ended up in a lake) ;-( BTW,were you at the TNT Tribute? Bree > >Paz (still up celebrating THE FECKING PATS!!!!! Kicked Ram ass!!!! Oh yeah >(sorry I digress BUT it IS my MO) > > >on 2/2/02 6:47 AM, William Waddell at willytheshake100@hotmail.com wrote: > > > My dearest Sharon et al, Yet another something we have in common. I have > > NEVER seen Joni in concert either and I'm realising I probably never >will. > > I'm never in the right place at the right time. The right bleeding > > hemisphere come to think of it. I'd go out of my way to avoid seeing >Dylan, > > alas. He is so-o-o-o painful these days. However, I'd walk a million >miles > > for a Joni gig even if she were to end up sounding like Stephen Hawking. > > I've never been an ardent concert goer actually, though having said that >I > > just got back from 2 nights at the Celtic Connections Festival in >Glasgow. > > It's billed as the biggest winter folk festival in the world. The first > > night I saw Alison Brown, a banjo player from Nashville, I think, and >last > > night The Indigo Girls. They were fab. An all-woman band, surprise >surprise! > > I recognised a few of the songs only because whenever I've listened to > > custom MSN radio (Joni), they were always featured. I was hoping they >would > > do a Joni song but ... This Tuesday Diana Krall is playing in Glasgow >and > > well maybe she will slip in a "A Case of You". Dream on dream on, >Impossible > > Dreamer. A JoniFest is the next best thing. The lights go down and it's >just > > JMDLers up there getting JMDLers to feel like that. > > Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:01:23 EST From: CoyoteRick@aol.com Subject: New Address and Joni on Jeopardy Hey everyone! I'm back with a new email address. Thanks to all who sent me links, emails, and other stuff since I missed since November when I went offlist. Now, for the Joni content... Did anyone see Jeopardy Friday evening? In a category called *The Grammys* the answer (very poorly paraphrased) was...She won in 2001 for her album Both Sides Now. But is better remembered for her 1960s albums. (I think there was something in there about long blond hair as well, can't recall -- it happened so fast.). Well, one contestant (that obviously rang in too early) stumbled and said Barbra Striesand, the other two just looked dumbfounded. Heck, it was only a $300 answer! Good to be back in the tribe. Did I miss anything? No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California "Only fools are afraid to be burned by fire..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:09:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: New Address and Joni on Jeopardy <> Of course - a ton! And if you're feeling 2 times lucky try your hand at winning another Joni covers CD. (Volume #26) Same rules, gimme a song and the album title it's on. And welcome back! Bob NP: Donald Fagen, "Trans-Island Skyway" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:18:53 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Dylani Live (NJC) Willy the Shake wrote: > >I'd go out of my way to avoid seeing Dylan, >alas. He is so-o-o-o painful these days. I don't understand why you would think that. When I finally saw Dylan for the first time in 1999, my wife, who is anything but a Dylan fan but bought the tickets for my birthday, exclaimed, "Wow! He's great!" And he was. Having lots of fun onstage, responding to the crowd's enthusiasm, playing and singing with total commitment. Last year's "Love and Theft" is an amazing piece of work, and his tours these days are triumphs. So whaddaya mean? Dylan's voice? stage presence? choice of songs? musicianship? looks? Enquiring minds want to know. Gil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:43:24 -0600 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: Dylani Live (NJC) Willy the Shake wrote: And Gil questioned: And I chime in: Willy, I'm with you! I saw Dylan a few years ago... '97, I think. He was playing in this great small venue in Alabama, and I was really looking forward to the show. But he sucked sucked sucked, and then sucked some more. He was sloppy drunk (or stoned or whatever); he screwed up lyrics; he was rude to the audience - just completely unprofessional and utterly disappointing. And yeah, performers, just like mortals, have bad days. And the new album is supposedly his best in years. But it'll be a cold day before I part with money to see him again. Cindy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:46:31 -0800 From: Gil Lamont Subject: Re: Joni Live Kakki wrote: >This is amazing. I don't think we've ever heard stories here from anyone >who was at this performance. A bunch of us have a recording from the >Troubadour in 1969, but this definitely sounds like a different show. It >may be that you attended her first ever appearance in L.A. right before Song >to a Seagull was released. Ooops. My memory misinformed me. It had to have been in 1969 that I saw Joni at the Troubadour. Her first appearance there, according to http://www.jonimitchell.com/appearances.html, was in June 1968, and I was still at Fort Benning waiting for my separation orders from active Army duty. So it was January or May 1969, when I was living in Hollywood. The other details I offered are reliable, however. Blushing in chagrin, Gil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:53:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylani Live (NJC) <> Look out Cindy Lou Who, Les will delurk and make you sit in the corner! :~) But I know of whence you speak; I saw him in '98 and thought he was dreadful, particularly after being spellbound by Joni. He's always been inconsistent live with good nights and bad nights on any given tour. I think it's pretty much a crap shoot. But I give him major props for continuing to work his ass off, and for continuing to push himself artistically with new product. Love & Theft wasn't the record of the year, but it was a damn good one, and he's got a great band behind him these days. Bob, still on the fence about seeing him here in Greenville... NP: Donald Fagen, "Tomorrow's Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:5:37 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: Dylani Live(njc) > But I know of whence you speak; I saw him in '98 and thought he was dreadful, particularly after being spellbound by Joni. That was my initial response after being spellbound by Joni as well, but as his set progressed, I found that I was able to really enjoy his performance--it made a good chaser to follow Joni's that I found so intoxicating. I needed some way to release all this energy she had stirred up in me... Victor NP: Paprika Plains - --- Johnson Victor - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:03:49 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Playing Joni on Piano (njc) Sharon wrote: >Dear Walt: >You may find talking with Steve Polifka from our list would be very >helpful. He is a whiz at playing Joni songs on the piano. I >sympathize with your problem. Hi Walt, and everyone, While some may think I'm a whiz at playing Joni, it's really not true.(Hugs to you, Sharon!) ;-) (LOL!)Sometimes I have to listen to one of her piano phrases 25 times before I 'get' it. (That's why none of the printed music is quite write. Nobody 'got' it after a few listens...) Then I let go of having to play her stuff note for note (I had that, 'you don't mess with the goddess' attitude...) and let some of me come out in the music, which made things easier all the way around. Her chords intrigued me so much that I had to learn to play every piano piece she ever wrote at one time or another. But my favorite is Two Grey Rooms- lyrically and musically it moves me everytime I hear it. One day I want to do Down To You note for note in a live performance. I have the ear and can pick out almost anything, but I may not have the devotion to pull it off! Ah well, maybe one day at some Jonifest somewhere... sigh... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:04:49 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Dylan Live (NJC) Gil wrote: > Having lots of fun onstage, responding to the crowd's enthusiasm, playing > and singing with total commitment. > That's what I thought the last time we saw Bob live. I left the venue thinking that he has been rejuvenated. What you said, Gil. It was a treat!!!!! I've seen Dylan many times and he is definitely enjoying the music right now! You can hear it! It was an uplifting experience for me. jody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:22:17 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Dylani Live (NJC) He was just in Tampa. Sold out our Ice Palace. I saw him in 98 with Joni and was mesmerized. We were in the 10th row so we got to see his facial expressions which were a big part of the show. Very much an imp and much more humor than you would expect. I thought he had one of the best live bands I had ever heard and that he kicked rock 'n roll ass. Jerry SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Look out Cindy Lou Who, Les will delurk and make you sit in the corner! :~) > > But I know of whence you speak; I saw him in '98 and thought he was dreadful, particularly after being spellbound by Joni. He's always been inconsistent live with good nights and bad nights on any given tour. I think it's pretty much a crap shoot. But I give him major props for continuing to work his ass off, and for continuing to push himself artistically with new product. Love & Theft wasn't the record of the year, but it was a damn good one, and he's got a great band behind him these days. > > Bob, still on the fence about seeing him here in Greenville... > > NP: Donald Fagen, "Tomorrow's Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:28:14 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Playing Joni on Piano (njc) Dear Steve: We would all be the beneficiaries of your struggle to learn Down To You. :) As far as the accordion is concerned...I have to follow most of the piano music. And I am not proficient enough on The Tart (which is what I call my accordion) to even begin to play alternate 'chordings'. Love and peace......Sharon NP: Tangerine by Mary Louise Knutson Steve Polifka wrote: > > Sharon wrote: > >Dear Walt: > >You may find talking with Steve Polifka from our list would be very > >helpful. He is a whiz at playing Joni songs on the piano. I >sympathize > with your problem. > > Hi Walt, and everyone, > While some may think I'm a whiz at playing Joni, it's really not > true.(Hugs to you, Sharon!) ;-) (LOL!)Sometimes I have to listen to one of > her piano phrases 25 times before I 'get' it. (That's why none of the > printed music is quite write. Nobody 'got' it after a few listens...) Then > I let go of having to play her stuff note for note (I had that, 'you don't > mess with the goddess' attitude...) and let some of me come out in the > music, which made things easier all the way around. > Her chords intrigued me so much that I had to learn to play every piano > piece she ever wrote at one time or another. But my favorite is Two Grey > Rooms- lyrically and musically it moves me everytime I hear it. > One day I want to do Down To You note for note in a live performance. I > have the ear and can pick out almost anything, but I may not have the > devotion to pull it off! > Ah well, maybe one day at some Jonifest somewhere... sigh... > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:52:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Review of Winnipeg "River" Here's a Winnipeg Sun review of the Joni tribute show in Winnipeg: http://www.canoe.ca/TheatreReviewsJ/jonimitchellriver-sun.html Bob NP: Jay Farrar, "Drain" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:09:14 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Review of Winnipeg "River" OK, Mr. Demille. I'm ready for my close up! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:15:45 -0000 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Joni in Q's The 100 Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Photographs As if the world need another '100 Best...' list, Q have decided to publish a book of The 100 Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Photographs. I saw it last week and picked it up to see if there was an index or contents so I could check for a Joni photo, and mysteriously it just fell open on Joni photo. Eerie happenings!!! Perhaps another jmdler had been in HMV before me(?) The photo is one I hadn't seen before of Joni hugging Leonard Cohen backstage at the 1967 Newport Folk Festival taken by David Gahr. It also has some text by Gahr himself explaining the shot, but I'm afraid I can't remember much of it, and I can't afford to buy the book until I get a job. I remember that it said Joni wasn't performing that year, but had shown up for the songwriting workshop that was happening backstage. I bet that was quite something. Here's a link about the book itself, but there's no mention of Joni there: http://www.q4music.com/features/DisplayFeature.cfm?ObjectUUID=0315E919-6549-4 9BA-B12F4F612C83D13C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:18:00 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Walmart Wine As you probably know by now - Walmart has entered into an arrangement with E & J Gallo of Modesto, CA to market low cost wines ($6 to $8/bottle). Kathy Minken, professor of Marketing at Roger Williams University - Bristol, RI says "the right name is very important." - ---sooo with that in mind here are the top 12 names for Walmart wine: 12. CHATEAU TRAILLEUR DOUBLEWIDE 11. WHITE TRASHFINDEL 10. BIG RED GULP 9. GRAPE EXPECTATIONS 8. DOMAINE WALMART "MERDE DU PAYS" 7. NASCARBERNET 6. CHEF BOYARDEAUX 5. PEANUT NOIR 4. CHATEAU DESMOINES 3. I CAN'T BELIEVE ITS NOT VINEGAR 2. WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP WREISLING AND THE #1 NAME FOR WALMART WINE NASTI SPUMANTE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:25:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: (njc) Walmart Wine oh walt!!!!! i'm shrieking!!!!! i haven't shrieked in a long time, mind you. i loved #12! wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de BigWaltinSF@aol.com Enviado el: Lunes, 04 de Febrero de 2002 05:18 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: (njc) Walmart Wine 12. CHATEAU TRAILLEUR DOUBLEWIDE 11. WHITE TRASHFINDEL 10. BIG RED GULP 9. GRAPE EXPECTATIONS 8. DOMAINE WALMART "MERDE DU PAYS" 7. NASCARBERNET 6. CHEF BOYARDEAUX 5. PEANUT NOIR 4. CHATEAU DESMOINES 3. I CAN'T BELIEVE ITS NOT VINEGAR 2. WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP WREISLING AND THE #1 NAME FOR WALMART WINE NASTI SPUMANTE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:52:04 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: what's the temperature in hell? (njc) It's true. Hell is a little chilly right now! I'm even toying with the notion of going to the parade tomorrow. Like most everyone in Boston, I'm a little hoarse today. And like Bob says - GO SOX!!!!!! (although the phrase "not in my lifetime" is the one everyone uses to describe the likelihood... And as anyone from the Boston area knows, that phrase also describes the completion of the "Big Dig.") lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:55:47 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Hello (again), and Thank You! (sjc) NJC In a message dated 2/4/02 12:01:12 AM, M.Russell@iaea.org writes: << I hope you also meant to include Mark Domyancich. and Sue McNamara - the other two guitar heavyweights at jmdl.com. Without Sue (and Les Irvin, of course), the guitar database would not even exist, and without Mark, well we would have had to wait a long time for transcriptions of songs like Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Black Crow, and Blue Motel Room, to name just a few.>> (Marian) (Walt) Yikes, of course I did [mean to include them in my thanks]-- I just haven't "met" them on the web yet. Thanks to all concerned! <<(M)I can't even imagine trying to work out the piano parts from guitar tablature! What a novel approach! I'm curious about your process. Do you sit at the piano with your guitar and the guitar transcriptions and then work out the chords on the piano? >> (W)Yeah, except without the guitar -- I don't have one. :-) . I'll figure out the chords from the tablature, sort of abbreviate the chords with my variation on the usual chord notation, and use the actual tablature for timing guidance. If that makes sense. <<(M)I have found most of the available piano music sadly lacking in critical details and have always resorted to listening to a piece over and over (and even then it's still sometimes hard). I think the Anthology (the one with the pastel-peach-colored cover) songbook has some better than average piano transcriptions, but I think you'd still have to refer to the recordings in most cases. Anthology is still available from amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com, I think. It's cheaper there than trying to get it from eBay. Or try www.abebooks.com.>> In fact, I recently got the anthology on amazon.com, and was alternately pleasantly surprised, and bewildered at the choces made by the editor (e.g., like one song each from FTR and Hejira (??!!), but (yay) Jericho was included). It stops at WTRF (3 selections), so nothing from after '82. But it's got over 30 songs, so it's probably the best thing for her early stuff readily available. The thing that sort of puzzles me is the fact that once someone has published an arrangement (presumably with JM's imprimatur), it stays that way forever -- even if the arrangement has errors (it happens), or (more subjectively) just sorta sucks. I wonder if there's any hope that someone will go over the early, oversimplified arrangements and "fix" them for the two-volume "Complete" editions, or just reprint them. If the latter, okay -- as long as they come out *soon*! :-0 <> I'm sick now myself, so I feel for both of us. Hope you're completely recovered and back on your feet soon, Marian. And thanks again -- Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 13:03:30 -0800 (PST) From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: Re: Reading music I think in both Joni and Paul;s case, when they started out, they didn't consciously know they were 'bending' the rules. It just sounded good to them. They have a point in that sometimes it takes someone 'naive' to break new ground. Analyzing both Joni and Lennon/McCartney is like higher math... And I'm not sure someone analytical could have come up with the innovations they have. BUT, now it's interesting to me to study more mainstream music. I've always been mystified by the ability to write music with 'normal' chords, without turning your guitar inside out. I think it's a lot harder than using alternate tunings. (Perhaps this isn't the case for others...) Anyway, it's the transitions, or progressions in McCartney's music that's interesting, whereas the entire harmonic structure of Joni's music is unusual. At least, that's my take on it. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:07:25 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (sjc) SF Bay Area get-together(s) Hi, all, Been sick for several days -- so sorry, no mention of our trying to get together in Bay Area. Re: that -- All who are able to do so on a weekeday -- please try to check out the Bazaar Cafe here in the city on Wednesday night (5927 California, between 21st and 22nd, I think), that's *Wednesday*, not tomorrow, as I may have feverishly written to some of you earlier today, having skipped a day in my mind. Robert and I will probably be there by 5:30 p.m., and several other jmdlers have already sadi they'll be there sooner or later, as work and travel permit. Re: a weekend get-together -- I was laid low by bronchitis all weekend, so as soon as I can, I'll finish scouting out a location for a weekend get-together that might permit us to play as well as chat. News as I have it! best to all, and see some of you soon, walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 13:48:47 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Defending Your Life (NJC) that's funny...this movie has been replaying all weekend on tnt or tbs or one of those stations. i watched part of it on sunday. i love the film, i've seen it several times. alison e. in slc np: cry cry cry. not me, some other folkies. - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Defending Your Life is a BRILLIANT film by Albert > Brooks, and also starring > Meryl Streep & Rip Torn that examines life after > death in a semi-comical > fashion, and puts forth the premise that humans are > actually the lowest form > of life and that as we grow through life > experiences, we get to move on to > the next level. Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 16:55:03 -0500 From: "Janine Sherman" Subject: Re: Joni live LONG >Janine, what a lovely post! May I note that your subject can be read another way? "Joni, live LONG!" Are you going to this year's fest? I'd be happy (and honored) to drive up 15 and pick you up! > Lori (your Canton sis) > Lori, Thanks for the offer, but my school system is in full swing by then and I can not take any time off for Fri or Monday. Hope you have a blast. How about we try to get a Beltway minifest going? Any listers from the MD, VA, WVA, PA, DE areas? I have two friends (a whole 2 friends who admire Joni) who would definitely be interested. LONG live Joni!!! Take care and hope you are coping with your loss OK one day at a time. (your Canton sis), Janine in Gettysburg - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:23:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Defending Your Life (NJC) Alison E wrote: > that's funny...this movie has been replaying all > weekend on tnt or tbs or one of those stations. i > watched part of it on sunday. i love the film, i've > seen it several times. > alison e. in slc I have just seen What Dreams May Come for the 4th time. I get more from it each time each time ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:18:24 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: Joni and Ozzy Osbourne? I wonder if Ozzy Osbourne was listening to Joni Mitchell in the early seventies. Blue came out with "River" in 1971. I was listening to Black Sabbath Vol.4 which came out in 1972, and there's a very pretty piano love ballad on there that starts with this line, "I'm feeling happy, I feel so sad, I've lost the best friend that I ever had." O. Osbourne I immediately thought of "River". That one line really stands out. And its a song about mourning over lost love. Interesting... Victor NP: Black Sabbath "Changes" - --- Johnson Victor - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: david bowie in drag (kinda NJC) i was busy moving in to my new apt over the past week or so, and the other day i had all my photos and pictures spread around the room trying to decide what to hang where. my friend matt was over, and he picked up this framed picture of joni that i have. its the one from Interview magazine, from like ten years ago--kind of goldish, with shadows striped across her face. anyhow, he picks up the picture and says "i didn't know you were such a big bowie fan..." so i start laughing hysterically, cause i think he's being funny, but he's actually serious. so i kicked his ass out. it was funny. alison e. in slc np: dead, sugaree. shake it, shake it. Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:57:49 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Beltway Minifest?? (NJC) Janine wrote: > How about we try to get a Beltway minifest going? Any listers from the MD, > VA, WVA, PA, DE areas? I have two friends (a whole 2 friends who admire Joni) > who would definitely be interested. I think a Beltway get-together would be great! Mary K? Barbara? Julian? Janet? Who all is out there? Speak up, and let's meet! > LONG live Joni!!! Right on! Lori in MD (near DC) ~ Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:25:03 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: david bowie in drag (kinda NJC) Alison. Great tale. Thanks. I especially liked the "so I kicked his ass out" mack np: Rick Astley-Body and Soul > so i kicked his ass out. > alison e. in slc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:23:49 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Beltway Minifest?? (NJC) We just moved to New Hampshire which is only a few hours away from Baltimore....on a good day. We went to a Caps game in DC and met up with Claudia in Baltimore. Wonderful time!!! Providing I can get two days off in a row, I'll be there! jody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:51:31 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: david bowie in drag (kinda NJC) I laughed my ass off! LOL I chuckled about it over washing some pans...yes...busy in that kitchen again. Great post, Alison. Love and Peace....Sharon NP: Cheryl Wheeler: Is It Peace Or Is It Prozac? mack watson-bush wrote: > > Alison. Great tale. Thanks. I especially liked the "so I kicked his ass > out" > > mack > > np: Rick Astley-Body and Soul > > > so i kicked his ass out. > > alison e. in slc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 15:52:27 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: janis movie njc mack, i am also a huge janis fan, and i'm one of those who doesn't want a movie made cause how could they get it right? but lily taylor...she'd come really close. the only other person i think that could come close to her energy is ani difranco, who doesnt act. as far as i know. - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Perusing Janis info and found a site that I haven't > seen before. Joplin-the > movie. Very embryonic and not much there yet. Said > Jennifer Tilly IIIICKKKK! i hope she plays a hot dog vendor, or some equally unimportant role. i can't get over her voice or lack of acting ability. > and Sam Andrew and others to be announced. Even > now, Sam rides The > soundtrack album is to be done by a singer named > Laura Theodore. isn't she one of the women who did the "love, janis" play? alison e. in slc np: lemonheads Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:56:20 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Reading music And surely Hendrix never learned to read music! I mean, he played left handed most of the time (is that right or am I just bigging up us lefties among the group!) Peace Much Joni Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bree Mcdonough To: ; ; Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: RE: Reading music > >fred is so right about this. how i wish i knew how to read and write music > >and not only chord charts. i would know how to play more than a hundred of > >my own songs that i have forgotten through the years. > > Well,last night I went to a SUPERBORE party and asked this question. I > just got these WIDE OPEN STARES! Anywho,some of the answers were > interesting. My artist sister said that a muscian not reading music would > be like her not able to know what oils (colors)can be mixed > together.....primary colors etc. Somebody yelled,"Because they are lazy!!" > (Always ONE in every crowd ) Someone commented that maybe Joni's music and > Paul's would have been even better had they learned to read and write music. > I really question this??? Thanks for your responses. This is a question > that I have thought about over the years. > > Bree > > >That's a myth ... it can only enhance. That's like saying an illiterate > >person who speaks and thinks well would be hampered by learning to read and > >write. > > > >-Fred > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:24:47 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Joni in Q's The 100 Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Photographs Hi Rob! It's a great photo. I had it for about 12 years when I first bought it as a postcard in a hippie shop in Leicester. I was always amazed by how long her fingers are in the photo.I must go and get that mag. It's funny to think that I 'know' every time Joni has SOMETHING in a magazine, whether it's a mention or a photo. Anyone else find that? And nice to see it in a big size Anyway, peace Much Joni Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Ettridge To: Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: Joni in Q's The 100 Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Photographs > As if the world need another '100 Best...' list, Q have decided to publish a > book of The 100 Greatest Rock 'n' Roll Photographs. > > I saw it last week and picked it up to see if there was an index or contents > so I could check for a Joni photo, and mysteriously it just fell open on Joni > photo. Eerie happenings!!! Perhaps another jmdler had been in HMV before > me(?) > > The photo is one I hadn't seen before of Joni hugging Leonard Cohen backstage > at the 1967 Newport Folk Festival taken by David Gahr. It also has some text > by Gahr himself explaining the shot, but I'm afraid I can't remember much of > it, and I can't afford to buy the book until I get a job. > > I remember that it said Joni wasn't performing that year, but had shown up for > the songwriting workshop that was happening backstage. I bet that was quite > something. > > Here's a link about the book itself, but there's no mention of Joni there: > > http://www.q4music.com/features/DisplayFeature.cfm?ObjectUUID=0315E919-6549- 4 > 9BA-B12F4F612C83D13C ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #55 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?