From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #47 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 31 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 047 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- back briefly ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Miles Of Miles......:-) [Lance Michel ] Re: back briefly ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: back briefly - NJC ["hell" ] Re: Joni and Astrology (long) [Thomas Monroe ] Some Anti Virus Advice (njc) ["Ron Greer" ] Re: back briefly (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: back briefly (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: jm live [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: back briefly [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: jm live, me too [Kammass@aol.com] Re: back briefly [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Re: Miles Of Miles......:-) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: (njc) Advice concerning Miles Davis [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: (njc) Advice concerning Miles Davis [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Advice concerning Miles Davis [Jerry Notaro ] Stevie (njc) [Lindsay Moon ] Advice re Miles Davis NJC [w evans ] Ryan Adams HOB (NJC) [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #31 [KLCass21@aol.com] Re: back briefly njc [Randy Remote ] (njc) A quick thanks (re: Miles Davis) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Both Sides Now, the book (1992) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] (njc)Speaking of alibris.com... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] I am FECKING Obsessed (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni piano chords. [johnirving ] Worth a Look (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: (njc) Now LR&H was 'Advice concerning Miles Davis' ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: jm live ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #31 [] walk with the zombies njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: walk with the zombies njc ["Kakki" ] Re: (NJC) Now: Hawaii ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:03:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: back briefly i have only a few seconds to pop in and out. i am alive and i am healthy. i have recovered my apartment, my internet access and my telephone line. i'll be writing more soon. you will never fathom how much i've missed you all these crazy days. i'll be back in a few hours with more. i'll label njc then. thank you for bearing with me now. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:20:32 -0800 From: Lance Michel Subject: Re: Miles Of Miles......:-) Ahhhhhhh, I envy you.....Miles' work is extraordinary and revolutionary and beautiful, and majestic, and powerful, and gentle, and, and, and..... He is one of the, if not THE seminal musical artist of the past century; he changed how music is played, looked at, and felt for ever... Anywho, now that that is said....:-) I personally always like to listen to the 'arc' of a musician's career and their own personal musical evolution; so I usually try to start at the beginning and go forward from there....Mind you, this is just my personal proclivity; but if you were to approach your discovery of Miles in this way, here are some landmark albums from his career which I think are good places to start to see this evolution I mention: **The Birth of Cool--1948--Helped define this new movement in Jazz and really started to distinguish Miles approach to his instrument and his 'sound'.... **Walkin'--1954--Someone else mentioned this one as well as a good example of his mid-50's work; kinda "Cool" kinda "Bop"..Well, it just swings! :-) Check it! :-) **Milestones--1958--Here is a wonderful example of Miles' most famous Quintets (there is another couple in the 60's as well, but this is a classic line-up); featuring John Coltrane, Philly Joe Jones, Julian "Cannonball" Adderley, John Coltrane, William "Red" Garland, Paul Chambers....Amazing album of Hard Bop...This album was actually MY intro to Miles and is dear to my heart therefore; I musta played this album everyday, twice a day for months....Wonderful music and energy, high energy! **Kind Of Blue--1959--What can I say about this album that hasn't already been said before..Consider by many THE seminal jazz album of all times... Sometimes I think lauding one single piece so much has a tendency to to oversaturate it's, and/or dilute it's, majestic and impact; but it really is an amazing piece of music and history...All songs were entirely improvised from 'sketches' Miles gave the musicians in one take.... Breathtaking, yes....:-) **Sketches Of Spain--1960--Possibly the ultimate example and expression of the collaborative work of Miles and arranger Gil Evans....Revolutionary for the time and once again Breathtaking in scope...Beautiful music to drive to and to make love to....;-) **Miles Smiles--1966--The beginning of yet another profound transition for Miles, and ultimately for music in general....A powerful example of one of Miles' other famous Quintets; featuring: Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter, Tony Williams.....This IS the beginning of Miles' forrays into Electric Jazz (or Fusion, as it were)....Kind of as a side note, but... You will notice that Miles has the savvy to really hook up with the "Young Lions" on the scene to keep himself fresh and on the edge and always willing to experiment; and even more than that, to really challenge himself and his artistry, his music, his spirit.... **Nefertiti--1967--Someone also mentioned this record and of Joni's affection for it....It continues in the footsteps of 'Miles Smiles', though broadens the path greatly...Amazing music..Stretching the boundaries and conceptions of peoples' notion of what Jazz was all about or could be... What MUSIC could be... **In A Silent Way--1969--WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!! Gently and Magically opening the gateway to Heaven....THE REAL FIRST full 'Jazz-Fusion' album... Two 'pieces' of music; each filling one side of the album....Once again Miles' redefining our notions of music and setting a course for future musical styles and patterns, the full effects of which we are just starting to see now....Can I safely use this word one more time: AMAZING! :-) **Bitches Brew--1969--A Double album monster....A more fully, and I do mean more FULLY, realized continuation of the expressions and explorations of "In A Silent Way"... "In A Silent Way" = Fusion First steps "Bitches Brew" = Fusion runnin' like a Motha'! - --Once again Miles assembles the cream of the crop: Wayne Shorter, Bennie Maupin, John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Josef Zawinul, Dave Holland, Harvey Brooks, Jack DeJohnette, Lenny White, Charles Don Alias, Jumma Santos, Larry Young - --An interesting connection to Joni here....J. Zawinul and Wayne Shorter went on to form 'Weather Report' which of course Jaco Pastorius joined after their first album (I think)....Just an interestin' tidbit...:-) **After this point Miles gets Waaaaaaaaaay 'Out There', and some people really can't stand the stuff he does from this point forward in the 70's; it is all heavily electric, with a large usage of Wah-Wah on his horn for most of it, very percussive, often very atonal, and also very rhythmically it can be repetitatively cyclical......It is very hard to define, and quite honestly why should we...? Although Miles wasn't very well received at the time for this RADICAL new direction he took, once again time has proved the man's artistry to be revolutionary and in this instance very visionary... The full effects and influence are just now beggining to be felt... This period's music is very much the harbinger for much of today's Trance/Jungle/Drum & Bass music as well as so much more....It has stimulated several generations of musicians to continue to explore boldly the ever expanding boundaries of music, and more importantly I think to realize that those boundaries are just illusionary constructs to be dismantled, dissolved, and ultimately dismissed.... **Some of the key albums from this period I will briefly mention (mainly 'cause I is fallin' asleep here...It's late.....lol...:-) as I think they are, well....Key...:-) **Big Fun--1972 **Get Up With It--1974 **Miles Davis Live at the Fillmore East--Recorded 1970, released ? **On The Corner--1972, released ? **Agharta & Pangaea--Both recorded Live in Japan 1975, and the last recordings of Miles before his 'retirement' (or sabbatical) from playing until the late 70's. - -----Well, I hope this gets you started......LOL....:-) Seriously, I do envy the position you are in....I still regularly listen to Miles, in all his periods, and continue to find something new for myself all the time.....He is THE man....But you are on the threshold of a really wonderful world to explore and I hope you find the landscape as breathtaking and inspiring as I have and continue to do.... Goodnight and God Bless....Peas.....Sir Lance :-) - -- Lance A. Michel: - -There are as many shades to reality as there are windows unto the soul- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:49:46 -0800 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: back briefly WALLY!! Great to hear from you and such a profound relief to know that you're well and back home with your beloved books and music and computer and pots and pans and everything else that makes an apartment a home. Please get back to us soon and frequently. There's no "bearing" with you, Wally. You've been missed, and this is good news indeed. Like many people here, I've been really worried about you. We should all have known that it takes a fuck* of a lot more than a mere government to bring down a great spirit like you!! Love you! Roberto * - after all, it was you who implored us all not to employ the euphemism "feck" ;-) np. Beethoven Piano Concerto #5 ("Emperor") - like Joni, I cherish coincidences.... > >i have only a few seconds to pop in and out. >i am alive and i am healthy. >i have recovered my apartment, my internet access and my telephone line. >i'll be writing more soon. >you will never fathom how much i've missed you all these crazy days. >i'll be back in a few hours with more. i'll label njc then. >thank you for bearing with me now. >wally _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:52:51 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: back briefly - NJC Wally wrote: > i have only a few seconds to pop in and out. > i am alive and i am healthy. > i have recovered my apartment, my internet access and my telephone line. > i'll be writing more soon. > you will never fathom how much i've missed you all these crazy days. > i'll be back in a few hours with more. i'll label njc then. > thank you for bearing with me now. Wally, I'm SO glad you're back with us, safe and sound! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Monroe Subject: Re: Joni and Astrology (long) Go back and check the last two days postings. Someone had offered Joni's chart to anyone interested. It makes it much more interesting (and accurate IMHO) when you add in the Chinese astrology factor. Joni is a Goat, which according to what I've read is the sign with the greatest degree of creative ability. Tom - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > interesting...joni's a scorpio sun & pisces moon...i > have a pisces sun & a > scorpio moon...i wonder what her other planets are > in... > > to me, this explains her sometimes shyness & > sometimes boldness... > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:49:01 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Some Anti Virus Advice (njc) hi some practical anti virus pointers for windows, which may help some people: step no. 2 has saved me on numerous occasions.... :-) 1) if you are unfortunate enought to be using microsoft outlook 2000 turn off the "preview pane". click on "view" then "preview pane". there are some viruses which can be activated just by viewing them in this preview pane. 2) windows is generally installed to hide file extensions. disable this by going to your windows explorer, click on "tools", "folder options", select the view tab, unselect the "Hide File Extensions for known file types" option. the reason for this is that many viruses are spread by "disguising" executable files. eg - if an executable .scr file is named virus.txt.scr, and you have the extensions hidden, you will only see "virus.txt" and will think it is a harmless text file. if you disable the hidden extensions "feature" you will see the full file name "virus.txt.scr" & know straight away it is an executable, and therefore capable of carrying viruses. file extensions to watch out for include (i think), .exe, .bat, .scr, pif, .vbs, .dll , and im sure there are many more. basically any file with a disguised extension should never be run on your computer. these two simple steps may save you a lot of headaches should a virus be sent to you, & your anti virus (basic step no. 1) not have been updated to catch it. ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:42:09 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: back briefly (NJC) OMG, WALLY!!!!!!!! You had us all crazed!! Welcome back, and HOW ARE YOU??? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:53:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: back briefly (NJC) In a message dated 1/30/02 7:43:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM@aol.com writes: > OMG, WALLY!!!!!!!! You had us all crazed!! Welcome back, and HOW ARE YOU??? > > Yes, you certainly did. Why did you have to leave your apt.? glad to hear from you. Hope all is OK love, roses ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:11:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: jm live > has anyone seen joni live? > if so can you tell me (us) about it?>> Joe, this could turn into the longest thread in history if everyone responds! :~) Suffice to say that lots of us have seen lots of Joni over the years. I saw her on the BSN tour in Atlanta, but the first time I saw her was in '98. Read the full story here: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981107.cfm (you'll have to scroll halfway down the page) You can also access many others concert reports on both jmdl.com & jonimitchell.com Bob NP: The Monkees, "Goin' Down" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:13:53 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: back briefly In a message dated 1/30/02 5:10:46 AM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << i am alive and i am healthy. >> So our prayers have been answered! I am so happy to hear from you, Wally. Please write more when you can. XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:39:23 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: jm live, me too My first Joni concert... New Orleans Jazz Fest - sat, stood, danced in poop all day waiting on Joni. (it's a race track-not sure dog or horse, but sure of the poop) I was in awe, couldn't believe I was listening and watching Joni and that she was so close. Memories-hottest weather, coldest beer, and wildest party! A Day in the Garden--flew, drove, and stayed by myself to see Joni - yep, everyone thought I was nuts then. Stood up against that metal gate all day waiting on her-UNBELIEVABLE. She was even closer! Most memorable moment... Joni pulling a disposable camera from her pocket and taking a picture of everyone and crying because I was at Woodstock. BSN Tour (Atlanta)- again drove by myself this time very pregnant. Saw her at Chastine Park-the best venue in the SE (IMO)-very memorable because of the magical setting, orchestra, and, of course, sharing Joni with my unborn son. Kammy in alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:39:00 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: back briefly i'm glad to hear from you wally! i look forward to your update about what is going on. your worry wart friend, heather At 07:03 AM 1/30/02 -0300, Wally Kairuz wrote: >i have only a few seconds to pop in and out. >i am alive and i am healthy. >i have recovered my apartment, my internet access and my telephone line. >i'll be writing more soon. >you will never fathom how much i've missed you all these crazy days. >i'll be back in a few hours with more. i'll label njc then. >thank you for bearing with me now. >wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:12:46 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Miles Of Miles......:-) Don't like Miles,do you? WOW!! You sir,are incredible. I stopped to get gas the other day and I heard on a little portable cd player playing what I thought was MILES. I said to the clerk......."what kind of jazz you listening to?" He said....Kind Of Blue,Miles. He went on to tell me that he could no longer stand ANYTHING on the radio. And that his doctor had recommended MD and to start with KOB. This guy just beamed when he spoke about Miles. Like I do when speaking about Joni. Very flamboyant and gregarious his beautiful blond hair tied in a pony tail half way down his back then went on to say he just could not believe HIS music and he was sorry he jumped on the band wagon so late. We went on to discuss Joni (I don't why she came up ? ) :-) This guy is going to flip when I walk in later today and hand him a copy of your post. I'm sorry to say and I must say a little ashamed to admit that I don't have anything of Miles. This is especially bad considering my father was a jazz musician/lover....purist though. (as a child I can remember the intensity to which he listened to his favorites.....THE DUKE,Johnny Hodges,Count Basie,Coleman Hawkins,BG. Always lamented to my mother that he needed to listen to his music in a vault. Which was his way of saying no children around and therefore NO interruptions.) I have most of father's collection mostly 78'S. And scattered about on shelves in my music/my favorite thing room,I have these gorgeous sets of his jazz some of the covers say.....Esquire's Hot Jazz;award-winning,1946.,Mood Ellington this is on Columbia,purple cover. Oh some of the others that stand out are:Bebop...An album of modern jazz on RCA Victor.......Ellington Special;black top hat and walking stick on the cover. These covers adorn my shelves because they are really works of art....conversation pieces. (argggh to Cd's) Anyway,I enjoyed your post and should get something of Miles. I just don't know if I have the energy right now. Because when I get into something it is usually all or nothing. Bree >Ahhhhhhh, I envy you.....Miles' work is extraordinary and revolutionary and >beautiful, and majestic, and powerful, and gentle, and, and, and..... > >He is one of the, if not THE seminal musical artist of the past century; >he changed how music is played, looked at, and felt for ever... > >Anywho, now that that is said....:-) > >I personally always like to listen to the 'arc' of a musician's career and >their own personal musical evolution; so I usually try to start at the >beginning and go forward from there....Mind you, this is just my personal >proclivity; but if you were to approach your discovery of Miles in this >way, here are some landmark albums from his career which I think are good >places to start to see this evolution I mention: > >**The Birth of Cool--1948--Helped define this new movement in Jazz and >really started to distinguish Miles approach to his instrument and his >'sound'.... > >**Walkin'--1954--Someone else mentioned this one as well as a good example >of his mid-50's work; kinda "Cool" kinda "Bop"..Well, it just swings! :-) >Check it! :-) > >**Milestones--1958--Here is a wonderful example of Miles' most famous >Quintets (there is another couple in the 60's as well, but this is a >classic line-up); featuring John Coltrane, Philly Joe Jones, Julian >"Cannonball" Adderley, John Coltrane, William "Red" Garland, Paul >Chambers....Amazing album of Hard Bop...This album was actually MY intro to >Miles and is dear to my heart therefore; I musta played this album >everyday, twice a day for months....Wonderful music and energy, high >energy! > >**Kind Of Blue--1959--What can I say about this album that hasn't already >been said before..Consider by many THE seminal jazz album of all times... >Sometimes I think lauding one single piece so much has a tendency to to >oversaturate it's, and/or dilute it's, majestic and impact; but it really >is an amazing piece of music and history...All songs were entirely >improvised from 'sketches' Miles gave the musicians in one take.... >Breathtaking, yes....:-) > >**Sketches Of Spain--1960--Possibly the ultimate example and expression of >the collaborative work of Miles and arranger Gil Evans....Revolutionary for >the time and once again Breathtaking in scope...Beautiful music to drive to >and to make love to....;-) > >**Miles Smiles--1966--The beginning of yet another profound transition for >Miles, and ultimately for music in general....A powerful example of one of >Miles' other famous Quintets; featuring: Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, >Ron Carter, Tony Williams.....This IS the beginning of Miles' forrays into >Electric Jazz (or Fusion, as it were)....Kind of as a side note, but... >You will notice that Miles has the savvy to really hook up with the >"Young Lions" on the scene to keep himself fresh and on the edge and always >willing to experiment; and even more than that, to really challenge himself >and his artistry, his music, his spirit.... > >**Nefertiti--1967--Someone also mentioned this record and of Joni's >affection for it....It continues in the footsteps of 'Miles Smiles', though >broadens the path greatly...Amazing music..Stretching the boundaries and >conceptions of peoples' notion of what Jazz was all about or could be... >What MUSIC could be... > >**In A Silent Way--1969--WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!! Gently and Magically >opening the gateway to Heaven....THE REAL FIRST full 'Jazz-Fusion' album... >Two 'pieces' of music; each filling one side of the album....Once again >Miles' redefining our notions of music and setting a course for future >musical styles and patterns, the full effects of which we are just starting >to see now....Can I safely use this word one more time: AMAZING! :-) > >**Bitches Brew--1969--A Double album monster....A more fully, and I do mean >more FULLY, realized continuation of the expressions and explorations of >"In A Silent Way"... > >"In A Silent Way" = Fusion First steps >"Bitches Brew" = Fusion runnin' like a Motha'! > >--Once again Miles assembles the cream of the crop: >Wayne Shorter, Bennie Maupin, John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Josef Zawinul, >Dave Holland, Harvey Brooks, Jack DeJohnette, Lenny White, >Charles Don Alias, Jumma Santos, Larry Young > >--An interesting connection to Joni here....J. Zawinul and Wayne Shorter >went on to form 'Weather Report' which of course Jaco Pastorius joined >after their first album (I think)....Just an interestin' tidbit...:-) > >**After this point Miles gets Waaaaaaaaaay 'Out There', and some people >really can't stand the stuff he does from this point forward in the 70's; >it is all heavily electric, with a large usage of Wah-Wah on his horn for >most of it, very percussive, often very atonal, and also very rhythmically >it can be repetitatively cyclical......It is very hard to define, and quite >honestly why should we...? Although Miles wasn't very well received at the >time for this RADICAL new direction he took, once again time has proved the >man's artistry to be revolutionary and in this instance very visionary... >The full effects and influence are just now beggining to be felt... >This period's music is very much the harbinger for much of today's >Trance/Jungle/Drum & Bass music as well as so much more....It has >stimulated several generations of musicians to continue to explore boldly >the ever expanding boundaries of music, and more importantly I think to >realize that those boundaries are just illusionary constructs to be >dismantled, dissolved, and ultimately dismissed.... > >**Some of the key albums from this period I will briefly mention >(mainly 'cause I is fallin' asleep here...It's late.....lol...:-) as I >think they are, well....Key...:-) > >**Big Fun--1972 >**Get Up With It--1974 >**Miles Davis Live at the Fillmore East--Recorded 1970, released ? >**On The Corner--1972, released ? >**Agharta & Pangaea--Both recorded Live in Japan 1975, and the last >recordings of Miles before his 'retirement' (or sabbatical) from playing >until the late 70's. > > > >-----Well, I hope this gets you started......LOL....:-) >Seriously, I do envy the position you are in....I still regularly listen to >Miles, in all his periods, and continue to find something new for myself >all the time.....He is THE man....But you are on the threshold of a really >wonderful world to explore and I hope you find the landscape as >breathtaking and inspiring as I have and continue to do.... > >Goodnight and God Bless....Peas.....Sir Lance :-) > > > > >-- >Lance A. Michel: >-There are as many shades to reality > as there are windows unto the soul- _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:18:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Re: (njc) Advice concerning Miles Davis No one has recommended any of the Miles Davis work from the '70's. A lot of that stuff gets way out there, and probably not for novices (unless you're really into funk or Fela Kuti). When you're ready, I'd highly recommend "A Tribute to Jack Johnson" which was originally a soundtrack to a film that no one seems to remember. Probably the best and tightest of the 70's era Miles, and it's a mid-line priced single cd, so it's pretty cheap. It's got some great guitar on it courtesey of John McLaughlin and an uncredited Sonny Sharrock. Going back a few decades before that, I also really like 'Birth of the Cool', which if I have my Miles history right, is one of the first records to come out under his name (late 1940's?) and was considered pretty groundbreaking at the time. Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:25:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (njc) Advice concerning Miles Davis My favorite is one I haven't seen mentioned yet, the Porgy and Bess cd. His Summertime ranks up there with Janis' version as one of the best ever. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Re: (njc) Advice concerning Miles Davis This can return us back to Joni (in a roundabout way): Lambert, Hendricks and Ross did a great vocalese version of Summertime that was based on Miles' arrangement (they were apparently going to do an entire lp based on Miles' Porgy & Bess, but the project was scrapped). We all know Joni has done her own versions of at least two LH&R songs: Twisted and Centerpiece. By the way, if you don't have any of their work, run, don't walk to your nearest record store and pick up some Lambert, Hendricks and Ross. They are amazing! - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > My favorite is one I haven't seen mentioned yet, the > Porgy and Bess cd. > His Summertime ranks up there with Janis' version as > one of the best > ever. > > Jerry Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:53:53 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: jm live I've seen Joni live twice. The first time was with Van Morrison and Bob Dylan at the UCLA arena in 1998. We had awful seats, but to see Joni was fantastic. We sat in the top row of the arena, which is designed for basketball, so the acoustics for music are pretty lousy. It really left me wondering what the appeal of Bob Dylan is, though. He just played the first song, when the people sitting below us arrived. They were young and clearly stoned and whooping it up. When Bob started playing the second song, one of them yelled " play Maggie's Farm!" My lover leaned over to me and whispered in my ear, "He just did. " Not that I could tell, since during the whole set it sounded like he was singing with mashed potatoes in his mouth. I didn't understand one word he sang the entire set. It was appalling. But Joni was sublime. While she was playing Amelia, which I think is a gorgeous song, our friend who was with us, who is a musician but doesn't know Joni, leaned over to me and said "That's an amazing song. " I bought him the album the next day. The second time I saw Joni, was also in L.A., but this time at the Greek Theatre in Griffith Park. I'd never been there before, and it was a warm summer night, so it was fantastic. It was the Both Sides Now tour, I think it was the first night of the tour in fact, but Joni wasn't nervous and she looked fantastic, and both she and the orchestra sounded wonderful. I much preferred the second concert, because the setting was so wonderful, and we weren't in a basketball arena full of people who didn't really appreciate Joni, but were there to see Bob Dylan. On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, at 07:51 PM, joemezz@yahoo.com wrote: > has anyone seen joni live? > if so can you tell me (us) about it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:11:11 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Advice concerning Miles Davis In a message dated 1/30/02 1:48:12 PM, tahewitt@yahoo.com writes: << This can return us back to Joni (in a roundabout way): Lambert, Hendricks and Ross did a great vocalese version of Summertime that was based on Miles' arrangement >> And to bring us all the way back to Joni, let's not forget her version of "Summertime" on Herbie Hancock's CD (the title of which I can't remember right now). I think it was that collaboration which sort of led to her BSN project. (If you want to be sure, ask the other Bob!) --Bob --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:18:55 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Advice concerning Miles Davis <> "Gershwin's World"...a really excellent CD (I can do without the Kathleen Battle, I don't care for that coloratura stuff doncha know), and if you don't have it, it's pretty easy to find for cheap. She also sings "The Man I Love" on it. And she did a sweet live version of "Summertime" at that '98 Woodstock show that Kammy from Bammy saw. Bob NP: Dylan, "You're Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go" (from the SECOND best record ever...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:33:43 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Advice concerning Miles Davis Tyler Hewitt wrote: > This can return us back to Joni (in a roundabout way): > Lambert, Hendricks and Ross did a great vocalese > version of Summertime that was based on Miles' > arrangement (they were apparently going to do an > entire lp based on Miles' Porgy & Bess, but the > project was scrapped). > We all know Joni has done her own versions of at least > two LH&R songs: Twisted and Centerpiece. Joni herself has recorded and performed Summertime. > > > By the way, if you don't have any of their work, run, > don't walk to your nearest record store and pick up > some Lambert, Hendricks and Ross. They are amazing! Saw them at Joni's Jazz. They were wonderful. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:36:12 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Questions to Joni in '95 From Les's article database: On January 26 the following article was published: 1995: "Cyber-Talk" - America On-Line (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/950126aol.cfm Hey! After all this time, I found it! I wrote in two questions to her that she answered (I think I was the only one who got two questions answered). My address at that time was BJMoon. Ha! Thanks, Les. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:51:18 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Stevie (njc) Kakki wrote: <> As an aside, I remember once watching a show on her (perhaps on a VH-1 Behind the Music or some such show) in which she said her favorite way to write songs is to sit in front of a fire with her guitar. The interviewer asked, what about in the summer? She replied she just turns on the A/C and lights up the fire. Any more questions about why we now have an energy crisis in California?? ; ) Lindsay (not Lindsey like Buckingham) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:59:03 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: Advice re Miles Davis NJC It's hard to quarrel with the suggestion to start with Kind Of Blue, although I have gotten a bit cynical about seeing it as the only jazz cd in someone's entire collection, which I have seen many times. Just that I think the album has been very coopted, which is no fault of its own, and it was one of the first ones I ever heard (although it was the 58 sessions with Green Dolphin Street, cut by the exact same band of trane-adderly-evans-chambers-cobb, that made me want to learn everything I could about miles.) However, it's important for a joni fan new to miles to consider what it was that she saw in him, and I think in that context it's very important to hear nefertiti and the other albums made before (esp, miles smiles, sorcerer) and after (miles in the sky, filles de kilimanjaro) by the same band of shorter-hancock-carter-williams. Especially since joni has worked with shorter and hancock so many times. This might be my favorite period, and i'm one of the only people I know who actually digs everything he did from 1945 to 1991. I'd say the best of that period is nefertiti, it's the easiest one to dig, which does not at all mean that it's easy music, just that it's so good that it takes hold. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:56:51 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Ryan Adams HOB (NJC) Ryan Adams is on at hob.com right now 1-30-02 2:55pm central for the next 23 hours for all those interested. Later Paz NP-La Cienega Just Smiled-RA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:47:38 EST From: KLCass21@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #31 In a message dated 1/30/2002 3:02:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > I've never listened to his son's music Jeff Buckley's "Grace" is a great recording - highly recommend it! Poetic, full of imagery and musically diverse. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:14:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: back briefly njc Great to have you back, Wally! Wally Kairuz wrote: > i have only a few seconds to pop in and out. > i am alive and i am healthy. > i have recovered my apartment, my internet access and my telephone line. > i'll be writing more soon. > you will never fathom how much i've missed you all these crazy days. > i'll be back in a few hours with more. i'll label njc then. > thank you for bearing with me now. > wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:27:28 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) A quick thanks (re: Miles Davis) A quick thanks to all who have given me such detailed and wonderful advice concerning which Miles Davis albums (whoops, I mean CDs -- damn my age!) to check into. -- Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:44:23 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Both Sides Now, the book (1992) Hi, gang, Um, what's the story with the book? I was looking around alibris.com, and found it. It's now (as I thought) the sheet music to the album from 200, given the year, and the *author* is listed as JM herself. Was it an auntobiography, or what? A synopsis was not available at alibris. Is it worth having? Thanks, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:01:31 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)Speaking of alibris.com... Hi, all, I'm surfing alibris.com, and find a listing for Laura Nyro's "Smile" for a good price -- I'd love to have *the sheet music* fro this album, but the letters "LP" appear in the listing, and i was wondering -- does alibris.com sell *only* books, or also cds, lps and other media. I'd happily pay $8.95 for a *cd* of Smile, but I don't have a turntable, so an LP would be of little use. It would help if more information were given when something shows up from a search -- or if I were a littel more versed in this biz. Little help -- would this be the LP or the book, or would I have to send a query to find out? I didn't have this problem with the Joni searches and Jimmy Webb searches I did there, for the most part. Thanks, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:28:13 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: I am FECKING Obsessed (NJC) Check out this Ryan Adams interview with a little live bit with Sir Elton John Windows Media (high quality): http://www2.islanddefjam.com/av/go.wvx?num=2915177186 Windows Media (medium quality): http://www2.islanddefjam.com/av/go.wvx?num=2915177186&speed=med Windows Media (low quality): http://www2.islanddefjam.com/av/go.wvx?num=2915177186&speed=low Real Media (high quality): http://www2.islanddefjam.com/av/go.ram?num=2915177186 Real Media (medium quality): http://www2.islanddefjam.com/av/go.ram?num=2915177186 I am FECKING Obsessed Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:57:51 -0600 From: johnirving Subject: Re: Joni piano chords. Hi Bob M, I'm not a pianist so I think I can give you a lay person's ultra-simple take on Joni piano chords. If you string the basic notes along: c, d, e, f, g, a, b, c -standard chords are based on thirds. the first note being the root of the chord. Take every other note and you've got a simple chord: ceg for example. Usually the root chord, c here, would also be played in the bass as well: cceg. Joni likes to add notes to the root chord, or substitute notes (suspend notes) , and/or add or change the base note. The new notes change the tone and character of the chord. In Paprika plains, the basic "add on" to the root chord of the song is a D note replacing the c. So the simplest home chord of the song is cdg. It's a simple variation on Joni's favorite open chord. Lots of her open tunnings are variations on C. There is a basic fingering to piano chords, so changing the fingerings opens the tuning, so to speak. What's remarkable is that Joni can resolve the added notes as the melody plows along. --Well, mostly. When Joni toured BSN in Chicago, we stopped one of the musicians afterwards and asked what it was like performing with Joni. He said it was a dream come true, except everyone was worried because all the notes were wrong and they they all felt they were playing the music incorrectly the entire time. Maybe that Christmas cd will be brimming with piano tunes. She likes change. -That would be a change. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:33:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Worth a Look (njc) I don't send too many of these out but this website is worth the look. MAKE SURE YOU'RE AT A COMPUTER WITH AUDIO. I'm sure you've gotten this email before but the graphics/photos/music on this one is very good. http://www.luccaco.com/terra/terra.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:49:21 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: (njc) Now LR&H was 'Advice concerning Miles Davis' > By the way, if you don't have any of their work, run, > don't walk to your nearest record store and pick up > some Lambert, Hendricks and Ross. They are amazing! > There's a double cd set called 'The Hottest New Group in Jazz' that has 3 of LR&H's albums on it plus some previously unreleased and extra tracks that didn't appear on the original vinyl records. Everything on it is stellar. I saw Hendricks & Ross (Dave Lambert is deceased) a couple of years ago in a Seattle jazz club. It remains near the top of my list of awesome live music experiences. John & Annie may be in their 70s but the two of them can swing like crazy and you wouldn't believe how fast they can spit out some of those crazy lyrics. There have been other jazz vocal groups that have attempted some of their material (Manhatten Transfer for one) but no-one has quite captured the groove they had going on, imo. They sang & harmonized together seamlessly but distinctively. Soulful, swinging, cool, often beautiful without being sentimental or trite. The more I listen the more I am in awe of them. And to think it was Joni who led me to them! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:03:42 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: jm live > I much preferred the second concert, because the setting was so > wonderful, and we weren't in a basketball arena full of people who > didn't really appreciate Joni, but were there to see Bob Dylan. I've seen Joni twice as well, the same two tours as Mike and my impressions are very similar. After waiting 20 plus years to finally see Joni in concert, I was, of course, about to jump out of my skin with anticipation when I saw her at the Gorge in 98 with Dylan and Van Morrison. The musicians she assembled were so well suited to her & her material and the songs she played were wonderful selections. Joni did not disappoint and it was so great to see her up there performing her own songs at long last. But the crowd was downright rude. Talking & getting up and down all during Joni's performance. I wanted to smack every last one of them. Dylan and Van were enjoyable. I really do appreciate the fact that I can say that I actually saw both or them live. But in my heart neither one of them holds a candle to Joni or even comes close. Then in May of 2000 I saw Joni with the orchestra in Concord on the BSN tour. A wonderful & talented lady named Leslie Mixon (Natasha, are you still out there?) got seats in the 7th row for herself, her talented husband and me. It was heaven. The crowd was there for Joni and Joni alone and she was floating on the energy & soaring through the sounds welling up from the orchestra like a bird. Although my first time seeing Joni (with my partner Travis & two very dear friends) was very special, I have to say that seeing her as the sole headliner was even better. It is an experience I will treasure always. (Thanks again, dearest Natasha) Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:04:13 +0800 (PHT) From: Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #31 > In a message dated 1/30/2002 3:02:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, > les@jmdl.com writes: > > >> I've never listened to his son's music > > Jeff Buckley's "Grace" is a great recording - highly recommend it! > Poetic, full of imagery and musically diverse. as well as his LIVE AT THE OLYMPIA album where he sang "Hallelujah" yet again and "Lilac Wine". he also did a brief Edith piaf impersonation. his "Hallelujah" version rivals that of Leonard Cohen and rufus Wainwright. joseph (delurking) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:04:09 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: walk with the zombies njc yesterday, when i came home, my computer was still on. there were almost 2,000 unopened e-mails. my answering machine had recorded a few messages. the rest looked as if i had never left. about two weeks ago, the corporation that owns my building decided that, because the rental leases were dollar denominated, we should pay our rent in US dollars. since our deposits in dollars have long been confiscated by the government, we could hardly comply with the company's demands. we were summarily evicted en masse. end of story. what i'm describing is but one instance of everyday life in buenos aires today. decisions are made on the logic of the absurd, rules change by the minute and 14 upper-middle class families can be evicted at the drop of a hat. and i mention upper-middle class because that is what saved us from permanent eviction. since most of us are professionals, we could immediately resort to consumer advocacy groups, lawyers and friends in more privileged positions. when new government decisions [that will eventually be overruled by other government decisions] addressed the case of dollar-denominated rentals and ordered a 6-month truce between tenants and owners, we could return to our homes more or less unscathed by our ordeal. what would have happened if we had been less prepared to deal with homelessness and uncertainty? where and whom would we have turned to? i shudder at the thought. in the last few weeks, our financial, banking and payment systems have collapsed. no one knows how to charge or pay for a telephone bill. the telephone companies decided that the nearest thing to a compromise solution to the problem of providing a service that they cannot discontinue without a civil war erupting and that they cannot charge for in hard currency is to let people receive calls but not make them. the only messages i found on my machine when i came back were long distance and mobile phone calls. you can't receive the calls that no one can make. i spent the last two weeks with my elderly friend mabel, my guardian angel. we shared our meals. i cooked for her. others weren't so lucky. you see people in the streets these days, an army of stunned people, zombies wandering from place to place, taking refuge in atm vestibules, in churches, in parks. they're the newly homeless. they're wearing givenchy, they're wearing gucci. they have botticelli shoes on. their burberry raincoats are only beginning to show the first signs of wear, of street-sleeping, of exposure to the odors of soup kitchens. in all this surreal state of affairs, i have been more fortunate than the average person. i was kicked out of my house, but no one broke into my apartment while i was away. it wasn't even hard to clean it up. the owners were smart and didn't touch a thing. if they had, they would've been in deep legal trouble. what they expected to gain from all this is beyond me. maybe they thought that each of us had a million dollars tucked under the mattress. maybe they believed that the crowned heads of europe would flock to buenos aires and rent their apartments. maybe they hoped that they would yank the buildings off the ground and export the apartments to cities with a housing deficit. no clue, really. as to my e-mails, i never thought of turning my computer off as i left. so, although i couldn't gain access to my account from outside my house, i can now read the hundreds and hundreds of messages that have accumulated over the past days. so all my money is gone except for US$ 5,000 that i never had time to deposit last december. such a paltry figure. what can it get me? and yet, as the peso devaluates further, 5,000 can buy me food and shelter for maybe four months -- an eternity in a country where one week is the ''long term''. my astral chart is very particular. four planets square each other. astrologers call this phenomenon ''the great cross''. it is supposed to bring exceptional adversity to my life. however, three planets form a perfect equilateral triangle in my chart. this in turn is called ''the great trine''. it is the mark of the truly fortunate person, the cat with nine lives and then some. as i write this, it is pouring rain in buenos aires. i think of those that will never go back home now, the ones that were born with the great cross alone. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:47:56 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: walk with the zombies njc Wally! It's great to hear from you and that you are holding in there. Take care, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:04:58 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: (NJC) Now: Hawaii Kate wrote: > bob & kakki, i would love to hear these magical stories...i experienced many > this past week in small, yet profound ways... I would love to hear of your experiences Kate, but I'm a little shy to tell mine here - but thinking about my experience made me recall that I've had many other smaller but extraordinarily inexplicable experiences in Hawaii and on the mainland (which were connected with Hawaii). Stuff such as a dream which was impossible in scope that came true to the last detail a few weeks later, suddenly running into people I hadn't seen in years and never expected to again on remote Oahu beaches and many other magical happenings that were always tied to the things dearest to my heart and life. I had another such surprising experience there last year. > bob, yes, great description...its not some magical euphoria thing its much > deeper, transformative, volcanic-like & very very powerful like the waipu > (sp?)waterfall... I love hearing you and Bob describing it so well. It is a very powerful place. It's like there are no metaphysical or other kinds of shields up there against the powers. I forgot to mention to Bob that I spent a lot of time really exploring around Diamond Head last year and it would be one of my fave places to live. Extremely special and charming. My only previous experience on DH was when I climbed it in the rain on New Years Day 1974 to get into the Sunshine Festival and ended up slipping and sliding in the mud the whole way down into the crater. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #47 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?