From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #44 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 29 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 044 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: January 28 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Truly, madly, deeply Joni moment [colin ] Joni and astrology NJC [Thomas Monroe ] Re: Truly, madly, deeply - njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE: rhythm of falling snow ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 [FMYFL@aol] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 [SCJoniGuy] traveling in some vehicle (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 NJC [FMYFL] Re: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: NAMMsters (NJC) LONG & bday thx [Alison E ] Re: Steve and FM njc [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: (njc) elevator music...and Tori Amos [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 ["J.David ] Hello (again), and Thank You! (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Cheh-Roo-See Maw-Roo-Ning (sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] (njc)AAADD -- Oh My God -- I have this!!! [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: NJC - January 25th [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Why I like "Jewel", sjc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Marrying Joni? NJC, really ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Eric (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] Why no Christine McVie? [Abbymusique@aol.com] Re: JT question njc [Abbymusique@aol.com] Re: JT question njc [Michael Paz ] Thanks! [joemezz@yahoo.com] Re: Joni & Jackson, sittin' in a tree... ["Kakki" ] Re: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 03:12:12 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 28 On January 28 in Joni Mitchell History: 1974: The album "Court and Spark" is released today and Joni celebrates by attending a Bob Dylan concert at the County Coliseum in Nassau, New York. At the concert, she sits between Cher and Lou Kemp, a childhood friend of Dylan's. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:52:07 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Truly, madly, deeply Joni moment Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > > > In many > > > ways Juliet is pretty ordinary, > > > > when did you last se an optician? > > I've only seen her in that film and I thought she was > kind of androgynous-looking at first - oh well. I think she is beautiful. > > > But, I do have really crappy eyesight and was recently > diagnosed with a cataract, so maybe that explains it. Oh dear that is not good news at all. Are you going to have it operated on? From what i understand it is quick and easy and restores the sight right away. good luck. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:52:04 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Monroe Subject: Joni and astrology NJC Sorry if this isn't quite on topic, but I thought some of you might be interested. This is from one of my favorite online astrologers. Seems he is a Joni fan as well. Not surprising to me. I hope this link works. http://stars.metawire.com/today/taurust.html? Tom Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:25:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Truly, madly, deeply - njc Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Yes, Truly Madly Deeply is one of my favourite films. Juliet Stevenson is a > fantastic actress as is Alan Rickman (you might see him in Harry Potter) and > Michael Maloney (with whom I have actually played football (soccer to you > American folk! ;-)) We just got 2 new cable channels, Oxygen and WE. They play movies like this all the time. They recently broadcast Little Voice and Cold Comfort Farm, 2 of my favorite "little" movies. Jerry np: Bernadette Peters - Faithless Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 08:45:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (njc) One more thing -- Was it Tim or Jeff Bickley? BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > I'm catching up on all my computer must-do postits in one session, no? This > is a quick one -- the name of the wonderful singer who died way prematurely > in the '70's -- was it "Tim" or "Jeff" Buckl(e)y? And is his stuff available > at all? Both Tim, and his son Jeff, were wonderful singers who died prematurely: Tim in the 70's, Jeff in the 90's. Though Jeff's career was much shorter than his father's, both have many recordings available. Best bets: Jeff Buckley, Grace; Tim Buckley Anthology from Rhino. Jerry np: Shawn Colvin - All Through the Night ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:23:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni & Jackson, sittin' in a tree... I've seen a lot here about Joni's relationship with JT, but not much about her fling with Jackson Browne. Maybe I've just missed it. Here's a bit I stumbled on today that I found interesting, since we were playing the "who's it about" game with Trouble Child...its an excerpt from "Jackson Browne - The Story of a Hold Out" by Rich Wiseman, this is from Chapter 5" "About the time Browne was forging his partnership with Lindley, a relationship of a different kind was coming to a reportedly painful close for him: his romance with Joni Mitchell. Browne had not been publicly forthcoming on details of his relationship with Mitchell when they were doing well together (Meltzer claims that Browne requested that he not mention Mitchell by name in his article, even though, Meltzer asserts, "he spoke about Joni...the way he spoke about Nico: 'Lucky me. I've got another wonderful, beautiful, creative person. I can't believe it"'). When their relationship was on the skids he was tight-lipped even with old friend Steve Noonan. Explains Noonan, who had kept in periodic contact with Browne despite the fact that he had married and moved up north near Santa Cruz in 1970: "I remember saying to Jackson, 'Gee, tell me about Joni Mitchell,' and him saying, 'I don't want to talk about it."' Pamela Polland, in touch with both Browne and Mitchell at the time, describes the relationship as seemingly ideal for Jackson but, in fact, ultimately overwhelming: "With Joni it was again the thing where she embodied all the things that he was in the process of developing. He was also in the process of developing them, but she was ahead of him. She'd certainly been involved in the music business longer. She had a more deep-rooted awareness of the business...a popularity that couldn't be denied, that is attractive in itself; and a strong devotion to her own artistry. And I think that he---whether it be conscious or subconscious---felt that there would be a lot of mutual creativity that they could do. "Unfortunately it became conflicting. And then, beyond the conflict, the even more unfortunate thing is that it became too heavy for Jackson to be with someone who was so much more prolific than he. She was creative in so many ways, and it came out of her so easily, that to face his own struggle with his craft, his own slowness with his craft---to have those two mirrored against each other---I think was very painful for him." Like Jackson, Mitchell has never commented on their relationship in an interview. In her songwriting of that period, however, she may have had her say. In "Lesson in Survival," on her For the Roses LP released in the fall of 1972, she tells her "sweet tumbleweed" how the close scrutiny from his friends crimps her free-spirited style, how she yearns for quiet, flowing times together with him. Her anxiety over their relationship, meanwhile, reveals itself during a visit with a friend, when she turns, suddenly, into "heavy company." When he heard the song guitarist Albert Lee couldn't help but flash back to the time he'd used that particular term with them...and Joni Mitchell's reaction: "She giggled and said, 'Oh, that's a good line!"' Further, Lee comments, "I just got the impression from that song that she was writing about their visit to my house...[and that] she was talking about her relationship with him." Bob NP: Patrick Simmons, "If You Want A Little Love" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:57:08 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 > No, David, Greg was playing the acoustic while Joni sang with no instrument > in hand.> It sounds to me as if Greg is on pedal steel - perhaps the guitar I hear is Klein's bass. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:02:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 <> Well...let me think...it might have been Chris Botti on the acoustic guitar, actually. Or maybe it was just Greg on the steel and Joni. Somebody else who was in Atlanta for that '98 birthday show jump in and bail me out here! :~) Bob NP: Doobies, "Eyes Of Silver" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:20:18 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni's astrological chart I made a scan of Joni's chart for anyone interested. It's only a solar chart since the exact time of birth is unknown. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:34:04 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: rhythm of falling snow 'Listen, strains of Benny Goodman comin through the snow and the pine wood trees...' - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Mark or Travis Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 4:26 PM To: JMDL Subject: rhythm of falling snow The rhythm of Joni's guitar in Hejira is the rhythm of snow falling. Of course you all know this. Mark E. Looking out my window at floating flakes... 'as snow gathers like bolts of lace waltzing on a ballroom/bridal girl....' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:10:11 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 In a message dated 1/28/2002 1:04:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Well...let me think...it might have been Chris Botti on the acoustic guitar, > actually. Or maybe it was just Greg on the steel and Joni. Somebody else > who was in Atlanta for that '98 birthday show jump in and bail me out here! > :~) > Well Bob, since IVPaul and Marsha Doyle won't bail you out :~), I'll put in my two cents since I was there. I thought Greg stayed on the steel most of the time and Chris was on the horn. Even though I had my elbows on the stage for the first three songs, I had to go back to my nose bleed seats for the rest of the show. Maybe Chris did grab an acoustic guitar and I didn't see it. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:18:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 <> You were the drunk that was heckling Joni, right? :~P This extra encore song was a real shocker...I expected her to close with Woodstock like she had done with all of her other shows, so my head was spinning to begin with! My ol' memory is playing tricks on me. Bob NP: The Doors, "Been Down So Long" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:35:30 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) Welcome to Chicago - Emily! Welcome back Courtney! Well I guess we've been waiting to complete the trade, since we lost Jody to the east coast last year. I would say you're gonna love it here, but I know you will miss New York. However, though you are moving away from the sea, we do have a lake that situates itself much like the ocean. No, we do not have lobster and shrimp etcetera, but we do have fresh water seafood (fresh salmon frying and the tide rolling in) uh not really a tide. The suburb of Oak Park is very village like. It is very liberal and laid back. It's very green and full of trees. It's very gay friendly and has a large gay community. It has big beautiful old homes and even a celeb or 2. For instance John Mahoney (frasier) still maintains residency there. There is the "el" which will take you as quickly downtown as some inner city stations. The lakefront is a bustle of activity from the first hint of spring till the last breath of summer. We have our famous "little" theater district. With our big daddy "the Steppenwolf." Rich with the talents of John Malcovich, Gary Sinise , Lori Metcalf and others. And I ask that you choose up sides now or perhaps Courtney has warned you already: WHITE SOX or cubs - not that I want to prejudice your opinion. The lemming,Yuppie, frat boy, trend-hoppers all choose the Scubs I mean the Cubs. Even though I am a life long north sider I prefer the WHITE SOX - just a bit more. Geez I sure hope I haven't made an enemy of Courtney already! Seriously though any questions feel free to ask. And once you get settled in, we should get together and go listen to some music. Oh one more thing, you mentioned these "knicks" we get them here too - it's hard to avoid "Knicks" when you're wearing 6 championship rings - a couple thanks to your Knicks! Now I have definitely made an enemy! Okay but look at us now! And remember I love Joni! Peace? Susan P.S. Why do I so enjoy being a brat! Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:57:05 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 NJC In a message dated 1/28/2002 3:20:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > You were the drunk that was heckling Joni, right? :~P > I wasn't drunk! I just yelled "where's Bob" cause I was looking for you :~PPP Hey it was to everyone's benefit. Joni came back on stage for her encore and said "I'm gonna stay longer just to bug this one man". kidding of course, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:22:30 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) O.K. Susan. I am convinced. Never have even thought of Chicago as a place of residence and being so far away I wasn't aware just how versatile it is. Sounds great. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Guzzi" To: ; Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) > Welcome to Chicago - Emily! Welcome back Courtney! Well I guess we've > been waiting to complete the trade, since we lost Jody to the east > coast last year. > > I would say you're gonna love it here, but I know you will miss New > York. However, though you are moving away from the sea, we do have a > lake that situates itself much like the ocean. No, we do not have > lobster and shrimp etcetera, but we do have fresh water seafood (fresh > salmon frying and the tide rolling in) uh not really a tide. > > The suburb of Oak Park is very village like. It is very liberal and > laid back. It's very green and full of trees. It's very gay friendly > and has a large gay community. It has big beautiful old homes and even > a celeb or 2. For instance John Mahoney (frasier) still maintains > residency there. > > There is the "el" which will take you as quickly downtown as some inner > city stations. > > The lakefront is a bustle of activity from the first hint of spring > till the last breath of summer. We have our famous "little" theater > district. With our big daddy "the Steppenwolf." Rich with the talents > of John Malcovich, Gary Sinise , Lori Metcalf and others. > > And I ask that you choose up sides now or perhaps Courtney has warned > you already: > > WHITE SOX or cubs - not that I want to prejudice your opinion. The > lemming,Yuppie, frat boy, trend-hoppers all choose the Scubs I mean the > Cubs. Even though I am a life long north sider I prefer the WHITE SOX - > just a bit more. Geez I sure hope I haven't made an enemy of Courtney > already! > > Seriously though any questions feel free to ask. And once you get > settled in, we should get together and go listen to some music. > > Oh one more thing, you mentioned these "knicks" we get them here too - > it's hard to avoid "Knicks" when you're wearing 6 championship rings - > a couple thanks to your Knicks! Now I have definitely made an enemy! > Okay but look at us now! > > And remember I love Joni! > > Peace? > Susan > > P.S. Why do I so enjoy being a brat! > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NAMMsters (NJC) LONG & bday thx hi everyone, i have been trying to put together a coherent post about the LA trip, my birthday, etc. i had a death in my family, and with having missed work for the trip and then a funeral i seem to have no time! to top it off i signed a lease on an apartment that needed a severe facelift (happiness alone would NOT cut it on this one) so my life has been crazy. however, there's no excuse for my having not yet thanked you all for the wonderful birthday wishes. a very special thanks goes out to coyote rick and brad, the most gracious, kind and thoughtful hosts anyone could hope for. rick even baked me a cake! so thank you gentlemen, your effort and style are very appreciated. thanks kakki, for well, everything! thanks donna for the armadillo coozy. ;-) thanks darice for all the fabulous goodies you sent thanks jules for being an excellent driver. definately very good driver. five minutes to wapner. thanks paz, for delivering my guitar, a thimble, ryan adams tunes to play, and for just being you. i had a great time in LA. the dolphins at sunset on the beach in malibu with a tasty bloody mary and people you love...who could wish for more than that? i'm rambling now, so i'll just sat thanks to everyone for everything. love, alison e. in slc np: richard shindell - --- Michael Paz wrote: > WOW! That really happened. So I guess I wasn't > dreaming that some cute guy > with a soul patch came up and wished her a happy > birthday and promised that > seven or eight guys were lining up to buy her shots > (which of course is when > we bolted). LOL! Where the feck is Alison anyways??? > Did she make it back to > Utah OR is she in Malibu??????/ > > Paz Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:33:11 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NAMMsters (NJC) LONG & bday thx hi everyone, i have been trying to put together a coherent post about the LA trip, my birthday, etc. i had a death in my family, and with having missed work for the trip and then a funeral i seem to have no time! to top it off i signed a lease on an apartment that needed a severe facelift (happiness alone would NOT cut it on this one) so my life has been crazy. however, there's no excuse for my having not yet thanked you all for the wonderful birthday wishes. a very special thanks goes out to coyote rick and brad, the most gracious, kind and thoughtful hosts anyone could hope for. rick even baked me a cake! so thank you gentlemen, your effort and style are very appreciated. thanks kakki, for well, everything! thanks donna for the armadillo coozy. ;-) thanks darice for all the fabulous goodies you sent thanks jules for being an excellent driver. definately very good driver. five minutes to wapner. thanks paz, for delivering my guitar, a thimble, ryan adams tunes to play, and for just being you. i had a great time in LA. the dolphins at sunset on the beach in malibu with a tasty bloody mary and people you love...who could wish for more than that? i'm rambling now, so i'll just sat thanks to everyone for everything. love, alison e. in slc np: richard shindell - --- Michael Paz wrote: > WOW! That really happened. So I guess I wasn't > dreaming that some cute guy > with a soul patch came up and wished her a happy > birthday and promised that > seven or eight guys were lining up to buy her shots > (which of course is when > we bolted). LOL! Where the feck is Alison anyways??? > Did she make it back to > Utah OR is she in Malibu??????/ > > Paz Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:49:22 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Steve and FM njc And I agree. All of that was wonderful, and is great to capture a moment. But my point is, I want artists like Joni and Neil Young, Paul Simon, JT and others who continue to grow and push their creative envelopes. I don't need Rumors Vol 6. I don't want bad Stones (i.e. Mick's new one). I don't need a 60 year old Paul singing I'm down flat. That's my complaint about new FM. It'll be the same old schtick! Fauchja ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:10:40 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) elevator music...and Tori Amos It's funny, I was just thinking about elevator music as I just discovered Tori Amos and I've had her song "Little Earthquakes" on nearly continuous play for long periods of time over the last couple of days. Is anyone else here a Tori fan? what does Joni think of Tori? I think Tori is as good as Joni, maybe (gasp) even better. sorry for the heresy. I must admit I had avoided Tori for a long time as I thought that she would be too "political" and not very good, but she is outstanding. Mary Katherine People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:41:49 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) Susan Guzzi wrote: > > The suburb of Oak Park is very village like. It is very liberal and > laid back. Ernest Hemingway, Frank Lloyd Wright, and me all have some connection to Oak Park, for whatever that signifies. > > > And I ask that you choose up sides now or perhaps Courtney has warned > you already: > > WHITE SOX or cubs - not that I want to prejudice your opinion. The > lemming,Yuppie, frat boy, trend-hoppers all choose the Scubs I mean the > Cubs. Even though I am a life long north sider I prefer the WHITE SOX Baseball fans are Sox fans. Drunks, tourists, yuppies, frat boys, and small children are Cub fans. Take Susan Guzzi, for example; a very intelligent, literate, classy person, and she is a Sox fan. > And remember I love Joni! And if Joni were to ask me out on adate, I'd take her to Pizzeria Duo for the world's best pizza. Get the garlic bread too - it is to live for. Susan mentioned theatre: I saw the original Grease at Kingston Mines theatre back in the early 1970s, it was the story of a NW side school (actually Taft, a rival of my high school, Lane Tech, but Taft and Lane kids hung out at the same places), and it was great. When it moved to Broadway, it had to be cleaned up because Chicago folks are not as genteel as New Yorkers. The funniest line that was clean that didn't make to NYC: "We've got nothing to do. I know, let's go pick up girls at Foster Avenue Beach!" And don't forget Second City for theatre. There are more theatre companies in Chicago than anywhere. Chicago made The Producers, too - there is a reason that they brong shows to Chicago to find audiences that will let them know how to develope and improve a show. Go downtown and take an architectural tour. Learn to walk everywhere, there is so much to see. Mary Schmich wrote in the Chicago Tribune on 1-20-02: "Chicago, meanwhile, turns anyone who lives here into an expert on two topics. One is architecture. The other is sports. The facts and importance of these two realms seep into a Chicagoan as if by osmosis." I would add theatre and pizza to those two. Lyric Opera is fantastic, too. Avoid concerts at the United Center unless you can endure bad acoustics. Do check out the Chicago Symphony, not at its peak now but still great, for great acoustics. The Chicago Joni fans are absolutely super. Great people. No one is a Bulls fan anymore, not with the current team. But you will get comments with the Knicks hat - although not as many not that Van Gundy resigned as coach, the little #######. No one is a Black Hawks fan either so if you are a Rangers or Islanders fan, you can do that without concern. And be a Sox fan. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:59:57 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: Rock Master Class and Alexander Memorial; Atlanta 11/07/98 >I'll put in my two cents since I was there. I thought Greg stayed on the steel most of the time and Chris was on the horn.> well maybe someone can listen to it and make an educated guess (: it might not even be a guitar i hear peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:09:11 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Hello (again), and Thank You! (sjc) Hi, Howard and Marian, You've both sent mer good musical advice in the past, and I was just surfing through the guitar database, and although I'm some sort of pianist, I can make sense of the tablature -- not least because you've explained it so well. A very big thanks to both of you for all the work you do! I'm trying to teach myself to play piano directly from tablature arrangements - -- I can already sort of do it from chord names and make up my own "arrangements" that differ from the published ones -- but your tablatures for songs like "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey" which are very much guitar songs, give so much more information than the published piano arrangements, some of which are oversimplified and/or hard to find now (although that may change if she ever puts out her "Complete" Books -- any news on that?). And I have yet to make a dent in all the songs available. Thanks again, and keep up the good work! Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:33:08 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Cheh-Roo-See Maw-Roo-Ning (sjc) Hi, Bob -- From the article in the database re: the Clintons' visit to China and "Clinton's Leading China's Army Band": "One of its numbers was a swinging version of Joni Mitchell's "Chelsea Morning" set to traditional Chinese instruments with a solo on the suona, a small horn. " Good heavens, Bob -- do you have this one yet??!! Smiling, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:53:28 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)AAADD -- Oh My God -- I have this!!! Hey, those of us in our 40's: They have finally found a diagnosis for our condition. Hooray!!: I have recently been diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D.! Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder... This is how it goes: I decide to wash the car; I start toward the door and notice the mail on the table. Ok, I'm going to wash the car. But first I'm going to go through the mail. I lay the car keys down on the desk, discard the junk mail and I notice the trashcan is full. Ok, I'll just put the bills on my desk and take the trashcan out, but since I'm going to be near the mailbox anyway, I'll pay these few bills first. Now, where is my checkbook? Oops, there's only one check left. My extra checks are in my desk. Oh, there's the coke I was drinking. I'm going to look for those checks. But first I need to put my coke further away from the computer, oh, maybe I'll pop it into the fridge to keep it cold for a while. I head towards the kitchen and my flowers catch my eye, they need some water. I set the coke on the counter and uh oh! There are my glasses. I was looking for them all morning! I'd better put them away first. I fill a container with water and head for the flower pots - - Aaaaaagh! Someone left the TV remote in the kitchen. I'll never think to look in the kitchen tonight when I want to watch television so I'd better put it back in the family room where it belongs. I splash some water into the pots and onto the floor, I throw the remote onto a soft cushion on the sofa and I head back down the hall trying to figure out what it was I was going to do? End of Day: The car isn't washed, the bills are unpaid, the coke is sitting on the kitchen counter, the flowers are half watered, the checkbook still only has one check in it and I can't seem to find my car keys! When I try to figure out how come nothing got done today, I'm baffled because I KNOW I WAS BUSY ALL DAY LONG!!! I realize this is a serious condition and I'll get help, BUT FIRST I think I'll check my e-mail... (Wish I could take credit for this -- it certainly describes many of my days - -- but I didn't write it. Enjoy -- Walt) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:41:49 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) Susan Guzzi wrote: > > The suburb of Oak Park is very village like. It is very liberal and > laid back. Ernest Hemingway, Frank Lloyd Wright, and me all have some connection to Oak Park, for whatever that signifies. > > > And I ask that you choose up sides now or perhaps Courtney has warned > you already: > > WHITE SOX or cubs - not that I want to prejudice your opinion. The > lemming,Yuppie, frat boy, trend-hoppers all choose the Scubs I mean the > Cubs. Even though I am a life long north sider I prefer the WHITE SOX Baseball fans are Sox fans. Drunks, tourists, yuppies, frat boys, and small children are Cub fans. Take Susan Guzzi, for example; a very intelligent, literate, classy person, and she is a Sox fan. > And remember I love Joni! And if Joni were to ask me out on adate, I'd take her to Pizzeria Duo for the world's best pizza. Get the garlic bread too - it is to live for. Susan mentioned theatre: I saw the original Grease at Kingston Mines theatre back in the early 1970s, it was the story of a NW side school (actually Taft, a rival of my high school, Lane Tech, but Taft and Lane kids hung out at the same places), and it was great. When it moved to Broadway, it had to be cleaned up because Chicago folks are not as genteel as New Yorkers. The funniest line that was clean that didn't make to NYC: "We've got nothing to do. I know, let's go pick up girls at Foster Avenue Beach!" And don't forget Second City for theatre. There are more theatre companies in Chicago than anywhere. Chicago made The Producers, too - there is a reason that they brong shows to Chicago to find audiences that will let them know how to develope and improve a show. Go downtown and take an architectural tour. Learn to walk everywhere, there is so much to see. Mary Schmich wrote in the Chicago Tribune on 1-20-02: "Chicago, meanwhile, turns anyone who lives here into an expert on two topics. One is architecture. The other is sports. The facts and importance of these two realms seep into a Chicagoan as if by osmosis." I would add theatre and pizza to those two. Lyric Opera is fantastic, too. Avoid concerts at the United Center unless you can endure bad acoustics. Do check out the Chicago Symphony, not at its peak now but still great, for great acoustics. The Chicago Joni fans are absolutely super. Great people. No one is a Bulls fan anymore, not with the current team. But you will get comments with the Knicks hat - although not as many not that Van Gundy resigned as coach, the little #######. No one is a Black Hawks fan either so if you are a Rangers or Islanders fan, you can do that without concern. And be a Sox fan. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:10:45 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: NJC - January 25th i have to look at my e-mail more frequently ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY JODY! - hope you had a fantastic day! Heather At 11:02 PM 1/24/02 -0500, FMYFL@aol.com wrote: >Oh how I love this girl's beautiful eyes, her laughter, and a great dance >partner too! > >Everyone join in and wish a happy birthday to a wonderful lister who's the >greatest girl in the world. > >Happy Happy Happy Birthday Jody Johnson! Your hubby Scott is one lucky man >to have such a beautiful wife. > >We love you Jody! EVERYONE has to go to Jonifest 2002 just to meet Jody if >you haven't had the privilege yet! > >Have a GREAT day my sweetie pie! > >xo >love, >DBF Jimmy (Wally please come back as THE birthday fairy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:18:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Why I like "Jewel", sjc Well, a little JC, as you will see. The other day, on a music program called "The World Cafe", host David Dye asked Jewel what she had done since the last tour, approx 2 years ago. He asked her to talk about acting and complimented her on getting good reviews. She thanked him and said that beside the acting, she had written and edited a book, and created a non-profit foundation. She made herself an employee of the non-profit, so when she tours a lot, she feels good about the fact that the money is going to good use. She recruited her Mom to head up the foundation. David Dye asked her about how she's able to create on so many different fronts. Jewel said, "Well, basically, I'm a farmer of creativity. I rotate my crops. After a tour, I do something else to stay active. If the writing dries up for a time, I do something else." I just smiled. All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:34:54 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Marrying Joni? NJC, really Laurent asked, >>Now, I'd be curious: how many men on this list ever wished to marry Joni?>> She's already given me the best she has to offer. Why mess up a great, great thing? Lama, wondering how many women on the list ever wished to marry Joni.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:05:26 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Three Verbs After 'Sun'? OF FECKING COURSE!! THANK YOU! Twenty *years* I am listening to this album and I never heard it that well! I always heard "the gold endive" and wondered why she was eating bad lettuce? Please excuse my MG moment. (Hey, MG!) But seriously, James Leahy, that is a nice bit of scholarship, there. Thanks. Jim L'Hommedieu From: James Leahy >>Watching three rings in the sun The golden dive, the fatted flake And sizzle in the [their?] mink oil In the DJRD songbook there is a period after 'sun.' The vinyl fold-out does not include a period; nor does the Complete Poems & Lyrics. At one point I thought that the three grammatical constructions after 'three rings' were 'dive', 'flake', and 'sizzle' and that they were all nouns and that they were all examples of the 'rings'. But now I think they are three verbs with two subjects: "The golden dive. The fatted flake and sizzle in their mink oil. - ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:23:25 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC One song that I really like to hear Stevie Nicks sing is "Silver Spring." (I hope that's the right name) My husband likes her latest song with Sheryl Crow, "Sorcerer." I'm not crazy about it. I personally like to hear artists who push the envelope on sound and sound distinction. I also believe the music industry should always be on the look out for artists who don't sound like everyone else. Though I don't like everything that Stevie Nicks does, I certainly do appreciate her original sound. As someone said, music is a matter of taste, but I am just one of those who appreciate hearing a different flavor every now and then. Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:29:46 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Eric (NJC) Dear Darice, I am so glad to hear that Eric Burdon is still alive and well in the music world and that he has written a book about his experiences. It sounded like being there was a very special event. I'm also glad that he recorded his memories of such great stars. Somehow, I feel so removed from them because of their early passing and I wish I had known more about them as people. I am hearing that Jimi Hendrix was caught up in quite a dilemma as an artist and wanted to go in another direction, but wasn't allowed to by his fans. That must have been awful for him. Eric had the privilege of knowing such a rare, gifted, and misunderstood person. I also want to give Eric a "Hurrah!" for surviving. That alone is a tremendous feat. Sherelle In a message dated 01/26/2002 2:00:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:12:54 -0500 > From: > Subject: Eric (NJC) > > Last night I went to Eric Burdon's first book signing. Instead of reading > from his new book, Eric answered "questions" from an audience of about 120. > The signing was at a library in San Francisco's Haight Ashbury. > Eric was charming and articulate; his memories and answers were quite > entertaining, especially one about Jimi Hendrix in a garden (ask privately > for the slightly adult-only content). > He was kidded anout "warm San Francisco nights" as it has been really cold > here lately. > He seems to be living in Palm Springs, and his book mentions the 1969 Palm > Springs Festival (one I had almost forgotten ) and the response of the town > to the invasion of young people and musicians. > He did not speak much about politics or current events, but I could hear > the undertone of the 60's radical still burning. > Eric impressed me as a man of many musical talents, a deep love of music > and people, able to laugh at himself and the past. > His word pictures of figures like Brian Jones and Jimi and Janis will stay > with me a long time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:42:25 EST From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Why no Christine McVie? One of you guys said that you've heard of a reunion of the four for an album without Christine McVie. Anyone know why? By the way, when I watched their concert that they did a few years back on T.V., I sensed some weird vibes coming from Christine towards the others. Did anyone else pick up on that? She seemed as if she was pissed off at somebody, and I didn't really enjoy her much during that concert. Maybe she's sick of the bunch, especially watching Stevie and Lindsey practically rekindle their old romance while singing "Landslide". Abbymusique ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:55:24 EST From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: JT question njc I'm having a brain fart right now, but I think the song of Joni's with the line "...watching your hairline recede, my vain darlin' " is in reference to James Taylor. I just can't remember the title of the song that line is in at the moment. Abbymusique ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:15:23 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JT question njc Just Like This Train (WHAT do I win??) And me who can't rememner the lyrics to my own damn songs.. Best Paz NP-Jacksonville Skyline-I wonder on 1/28/02 8:55 PM, Abbymusique@aol.com at Abbymusique@aol.com wrote: > I'm having a brain fart right now, but I think the song of Joni's with the > line "...watching your hairline recede, my vain darlin' " is in reference to > James Taylor. I just can't remember the title of the song that line is in at > the moment. > Abbymusique ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:17:36 -0500 From: joemezz@yahoo.com Subject: Thanks! THANKS for all the replies re: the BOB MARLEY/JONI MITCHELL EMMY TRIBUTE VIDEO that I was trying to find. I now have a copy on the way. THANKS VERY COOL! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:37:12 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni & Jackson, sittin' in a tree... Bob, This is a nice find. Last night I was going through the Crosby bio, the CSNY bio and the Jimmy Webb songwriting book to try to see where I might have read the reference to Crosby and Trouble Child. Unfortunately none of those books have subject indexes so I had to search and read through quite a bit of the Joni parts. Gave up trying to find the reference but I was really marveling at how some of Joni's best autobiographical material is found in these books but not found in the bios written of her. She was interviewed at good length for all the books mentioned above and there are details I have seen nowhere else, unlike some of her interviews where she does tend to repeat some of the same yarns (I don't mean that as a criticism - think she just wants to be consistent in her stories. The book on Jackson you cite is another good example of great Joni background and insight. I especially like this part: > In "Lesson in Survival," on her For the Roses LP released in the fall of 1972, she tells her "sweet tumbleweed" how the >close scrutiny from his friends crimps her free-spirited style, how she yearns for quiet, flowing times together with him. Her >anxiety over their relationship, meanwhile, reveals itself during a visit with a friend, when she turns, suddenly, into "heavy >company." When he heard the song guitarist Albert Lee couldn't help but flash back to the time he'd used that particular >term with them...and Joni Mitchell's reaction: "She giggled and said, 'Oh, that's a good line!"' Further, Lee comments, "I just >got the impression from that song that she was writing about their visit to my house...[and that] she was talking about her >relationship with him." Another Joni song that said just exactly what I've felt at times in relationships. The first time I heard it - it went straight through my heart. Interesting that it Albert Lee inspired some of the lyrics! He has played with just about everyone and was on hand at the Walecki benefit here a couple years ago, backing up Emmylou Harris and a few others. In the early days he played with the Everly Brothers and when he moved on was replaced by the up and coming Lindsay Buckingham ;-) As for Crosby and Trouble Child, I seem to recall we did talk about it here awhile ago and that there was other input on it. Maybe I'll find the reference eventually. For years, I thought she was talking about herself. However, learning about his experiences from around that time in the various bios, the lyrics really do correlate. Crosby's life was turbulent for many years after the tragic death of his girlfriend Christine Hinton. The drugs got to be full time and there were the usual groups of parasitic hanger-ons around him partaking of his "largesse" and helping to enable his slow destruction. I imagine Joni trying to talk some tough love to him, like an old friend, in these lines: "They open and close you, then they talk like they know you, they don't know you, they're friends and they're foes, too" "So why does it come as such a shock to know you really have no one, only a river of changing faces, looking for an ocean." "It's really hard to talk sense to you - Trouble child - Breaking like the waves at Malibu." Thanks for the choice find! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:08:57 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Grizzlies NJC There has been big media coverage here in Catalonia about Pau Gasol, the first Catalan basketball player to play in the NBA. Anybody out there care to mention what the reaction of the US public is like on this? I know what the Catalan press is saying but I'd like to hear the other side. Not urgent, and off-line if you prefer. Thanks, mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:47:41 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: traveling in some vehicle (NJC) Emily Gray Tedrowe wrote: > > some news from this corner of brooklyn: courtney and i > are moving to chicago on february 1 Emily, Whaddaya tawking aboud? Youse guys are really crossin da wahtah? Gid ouda he-ah! Not for nuttin but... it's flat out dare. (oak park, actually, > a little neighborhood just west of chicago). he's got > a new job there, and will show me all sorts of fun things > in the windy city, his hometown. Sounds like a wonderful adventure to me (as long as you don't drop off the edge of the world, just past New Jersey :-). I have heard some good things about that OTHER city, mostly along the lines of "it's very liveable", as in, not nearly as crowded as New York but still plenty to do and lots of opportunities, and with great public transportation. Check out the Art Institute of Chicago if you haven't already. It's considered one of the best museums in the country. > on a new york note: i'm very conflicted about leaving. > patrick, david, debra, tanya and the rest of the NYC gang: > thank you for all sorts of fun joni outings here, for > a wonderful john kelly night, but most of all: for support > and solace during the months since 9/11. i'm both > relieved and miserable at the idea of leaving new york > while we are still reeling, still rebuilding, still > mourning and healing. i'm interested to see what it will > be like to contemplate 9/11 from outside new york, and > yet i know it will be hard to be in another place. Yes, I imagine it would be, at first anyway. There's always email and the NYTimes and Village Voice online to keep you informed and visits whenever you can. I can understand your conflicted feelings completely. Whenever wanderlust hits me and I start thinking about living elsewhere... even then I'm sad about the idea of leaving at the same time as being excited about the adventure. You'll be having so many new experiences... lots to write about... so I hope the pangs of sadness don't last too long when they do come. > the comfort i find in my melancholy here is that there is no > need to explain anything to other new yorkers. there is > a sense of going through/having gone through something > life altering together. Very true. > don't mean to sound so sad -- many parts of this big > change are exciting and challenging to me. and i will > make sure to carry all my born-and-bred-in-brooklyn > spirit over to the windy city, and tell them just what > i think of the bulls, while wearing my knicks hat! > (proudly, after last night's double-OT win!) Maybe take a Mets cap with you also. They'll be visiting the Cubs at Wrigley Field soon (and whupping them probably). Or a Yankees cap if you'd rather go see the White Sox get whupped. A couple of people have suggested something about becoming a Sox fan. Really, Susan and Vince, what in the world are you thinking? A New Yorker becoming a fan of a CHICAGO club??? Oh, that's beyond my imagination... > more later from chi-town, > emily You know already to keep Joni close at hand so, Emily, when you get really homesick, just recall these melodius sounds you're leaving behind: jeet yet? wanna schmear on dat bagel? enough already wid dat youse guys fuGEDdaboudit beOOHtufull wuuuudev-ah ...and maybe you won't feel so homesick anymore. You and Courtney have a good trip, ok? And please warm up the keyboard as soon as you can. With best wishes for you both, Debra Shea ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #44 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?