From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #41 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 26 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 041 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: January 26 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: January 26 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Sweet unexpected Joni moment What? [Monafitz@aol.com] Three Verbs After 'Sun'? [James Leahy ] Re: Stevie Nicks and "sweet acoustic music" NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Three Verbs After 'Sun'? [Catherine McKay ] Re: W A L L Y ! ! ! (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sleazing by the Sea [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #27 [StDoherty@aol.com] Snap out of it! ["William Waddell" ] trades [carol ] Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC ["kerry" ] the birthday of Joni's Daughter? ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: Stevie Nicks and "sweet acoustic music" [Abbymusique@aol.com] Re: the birthday of Joni's Daughter? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] kate wolf festival NJC ["gene mock" ] Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Three Verbs After 'Sun'? ["Mark or Travis" ] [none] [] Eric (NJC) [] TV video [joemezz@yahoo.com] Re: TV video [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: multiplying the sound -- don't blame the machine... [BigWaltinSF@aol] Re: the birthday of Joni's Daughter? ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: TV video [joemezz@yahoo.com] Re: the birthday of Joni's Daughter? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: kate wolf festival NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC [Randy Remote ] who is it? njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC [Randy Remote ] Friends And Enemies NJC [colin ] Re: Kaplanski on Mitchell; Scorpio; VG-8; Hennebach ["Timothy Spong" Then track 14 is an a cappella > version of "Song to a Seagull." Very nice, too. Bob, do you have this > one? > Does a pig pork? Mona L. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:32:09 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Three Verbs After 'Sun'? I've lately been analyzing these lyrics from Otis and Marlena: Watching three rings in the sun The golden dive, the fatted flake And sizzle in the [their?] mink oil In the DJRD songbook there is a period after 'sun.' The vinyl fold-out does not include a period; nor does the Complete Poems & Lyrics. At one point I thought that the three grammatical constructions after 'three rings' were 'dive', 'flake', and 'sizzle' and that they were all nouns and that they were all examples of the 'rings'. But now I think they are three verbs with two subjects: the golden [suntanned people] dive [into pools] the fatted [old people] flake [from sunburn] and sizzle in their mink oil [while suntanning] The point about 'three rings' representing a circus is a good one. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:34:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Stevie Nicks and "sweet acoustic music" NJC - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: ... > That's just to get you started, Mary. I have lots > more suggestions when > you're ready for more. Also, I hear Cheryl Wheeler > is pretty good! ;-) CHERYL WHEELER *is* pretty good and I probably wouldn't have heard of her if it weren't for Ashara, who mentions her name... from time to time. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:48:10 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Sleazing by the Sea In Otis and Marlena, Otis empties out the trunk on the steps of that celebrated dump. What is that 'celebrated dump'? The lyrics printed in the LP sleeve and in the Complete Poems and Lyrics offer no help. 'Sleazing by the sea' is on a separate line with no punctuation before or after. It appears that Otis is 'sleazing by the sea' while unloading the car. However, the lyrics in the DJRD songbook offer more guidance -- there is a colon after 'dump', and 'Sleazing by the Sea' is capitalized. Now it appears that this is Joni's nickname for the hotel that O&M are checking into. What follows are several references to the hotel's features: her royal travesty; her ballrooms; her bedrooms; her golden pools. The hotel is made female and evokes images of a madame and a whorehouse. The real name of the hotel is revealed later in the song: Miami Royal, thereby echoing the lyric 'royal travesty.' The average listener might not pick up all this on first hearing the song. It was only after I consulted the songbook and discovered the capitalization of Sleazing by the Sea that this all gelled for me. Slow, or what? What this brings up is: Does Joni have an editor? Does she proof her lyrics when they are printed? Does it really matter? I've always loved O&M, punctuation aside. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:49:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Three Verbs After 'Sun'? - --- James Leahy wrote: > I've lately been analyzing these lyrics from Otis > and Marlena: > > Watching three rings in the sun > The golden dive, the fatted flake > And sizzle in the [their?] mink oil > > In the DJRD songbook there is a period after 'sun.' > The vinyl fold-out > does not include a period; nor does the Complete > Poems & Lyrics. At one > point I thought that the three grammatical > constructions after 'three > rings' were 'dive', 'flake', and 'sizzle' and that > they were all nouns > and that they were all examples of the 'rings'. But > now I think they are > three verbs with two subjects: > > the golden [suntanned people] dive [into pools] > the fatted [old people] flake [from sunburn] and > sizzle in their mink > oil [while suntanning] That's the way it always sounded to me. I wouldn't be relying too heavily on the punctuation in any case for a couple of reasons - 1) there are often mistakes in the lyrics in any case (a prime example? boy winds! so the addition or omission of a period would be small potatoes) and 2) if it's poetry, esp. modern poetry, punctuation is sometimes minimal or not even there - which enhances ambiguity sometimes, and deliberately so. I think the three-rings representing a circus is right on. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: W A L L Y ! ! ! (NJC) - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > So it's 2 in the morning and I am a minute away from > falling into bed and I > thought I would check as usual on the Wally news and > once again there is > none. > > From news reports I read online about Argentina, > there have been riots over > the past few days, but nothing to make us all even > more concerned for Wally. > This must be an Internet-access problem, although I > would like to hear that > someone has been in some kind of communication with > him. > Make that a big ME TOO! I'm sure it's an access problem and nothing more, but I keep thinking about him. Calling Wally! Calling Wally! Come in, Wally! ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:53:40 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sleazing by the Sea Joni's use of words truly shines in that song. So does her voice. I get such a kick out of listening to it - "Bow down to her royal travesty!" Makes me laugh every time. - --- James Leahy wrote: > In Otis and Marlena, Otis empties out the trunk on > the steps of that > celebrated dump. What is that 'celebrated dump'? > > The lyrics printed in the LP sleeve and in the > Complete Poems and > Lyrics offer no help. 'Sleazing by the sea' is on a > separate line with > no punctuation before or after. It appears that Otis > is 'sleazing by the > sea' while unloading the car. > > However, the lyrics in the DJRD songbook offer more > guidance -- there is > a colon after 'dump', and 'Sleazing by the Sea' is > capitalized. Now it > appears that this is Joni's nickname for the hotel > that O&M are checking > into. > > What follows are several references to the hotel's > features: her royal > travesty; her ballrooms; her bedrooms; her golden > pools. The hotel is > made female and evokes images of a madame and a > whorehouse. > > The real name of the hotel is revealed later in the > song: Miami Royal, > thereby echoing the lyric 'royal travesty.' > > The average listener might not pick up all this on > first hearing the > song. It was only after I consulted the songbook and > discovered the > capitalization of Sleazing by the Sea that this all > gelled for me. Slow, > or what? > > What this brings up is: Does Joni have an editor? > Does she proof her > lyrics when they are printed? Does it really matter? > I've always loved > O&M, punctuation aside. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:07:14 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2002 #27 I'm another Dog Eat Dog enthusiast ... right from the beginning. The songs do hold up. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:32:59 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Snap out of it! Yes! I did pick up on that too when I saw the movie a few months back and thought the very same. Have a great weekend. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:36:47 -0800 From: carol Subject: trades does anyone have any Joni boots they would like to trade? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:52:14 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC It seems that every six months or so, someone picks on my Stevie and I feel compelled to defend her. The thing is though, music is a personal choice and you either like some people or you don't. (Wasn't that profound?) I love Stevie's music, but I'm not above making fun of the certain goat-like quality that appears at times. Several years ago, a friend and were thinking of Christmas songs that would NOT work and one of them was Stevie Nicks singing "Silent Night!" Sure enough, the next year, "A Very Special Christmas" came out with Stevie doing that very song. Also, has anyone ever seen the skit on SNL with Lucy Lawless as Stevie? It was a commercial for a new restaurant "Stevie Nicks' Fajita Roundup" and is totally hilarious. "Now here you go again, you say you want burrito's...." Kerry (who really is a big fan!) NP - Ani Difranco - "Out of Range" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:57:21 -0500 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: the birthday of Joni's Daughter? hi! I know if I just searched enough I could find this out myself, but seeing that the wealth of knowledge springing forth from this discussion list is incredible....I thought I'd just go right to the water and dip my cup in.......soooooo my question is, when is Joni's daughter's birthday? I know she was "born with the moon in Cancer", but I was wondering what the exact date was???? Thank you thank you. Erica NP:Bob Marley: Rastaman Vibration _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:29:32 -0600 From: evian Subject: Stevie, goddess of loooove njc My fellow Canuck Catherine wrote: > Whoa! No I didn't! I don't like her at all (I keep > saying this over and over - someone's going to kill > me, but what the hell? I'm in a shit-disturber mood > tonight. > Oh my God..... you are dissing Stevie, the goddess of love.... Can't talk -- must go light candles for you.... Hell, call the Stevie prayer line.... lol, but seriously, Trouble in Shangri-La is seriously the best Stevie ever.... and I've loved everything of hers almost equally except that Street Angel mistake... Happy Saturday y'all, and stay warm (minus 36 degrees NOT including windchill as I type this -- I'm tempted to stay in all day and watch the Game Show Network....) Evian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:44:55 EST From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: Stevie Nicks and "sweet acoustic music" I really love Landslide, too, and other music in that ballpark. Old Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young has some great songs like that, like '4 and 20 Years Ago' and my favorite, 'Guineverre'. 'Strange Heart' by Jewel is real nice, and I also like Kate Rusby. I had a great album by Judy Collins which was all acoustic, just her and her guitar, with old favorite folk tunes like 'Twelve Gates to the City', 'I Buyed Me a Little Dog', 'Mr. Tamborine Man', and 'The Crow on the Cradle'. I think that good acoustic music is timeless, and you can enjoy it as far back as the original recordings can go. Abbymusique ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:44:47 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: the birthday of Joni's Daughter? In a message dated 1/26/02 10:58:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: > when is Joni's daughter's birthday? I > know she was "born with the moon in Cancer", but I was wondering what the > exact date was???? Thank you thank you. > Hi again Erica, Kilauren was born sometime around Valentine's Day. You can read the article on the JM page. Kilauren sat right in front of me at the Joni hommage in October. Her purse was open almost at my feet. I should have looked at her drivers license to see the exact date of birth, but I didn't want Joni to slap me. I did come close to taking her altoids :~D I'm sure someone on the list knows the exact date Kilauren celebrates her birthday. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:47:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC << The thing is though, music is a personal choice and you either like some people or you don't. >> The REAL thing is, there are 2 separate issues: 1. Music that sucks, and music that doesn't; 2. Music you like, and music you don't. These are mutually exclusive. I like lots of stuff that sucks, and I don't like lots of stuff that doesn't suck. It's the old Kenny G debate again. We all have music that falls in these categories for us individually. A lot of it has to do with what Joni refers to as a singer's "awk"; that is, his or her voice. If you're hooked on Stevie's voice, she will do no wrong for you. If you hate her voice, she can do no right. It's neither bad nor good, merely the way it is. Bob NP: Clive Gregson/Christine Collister, "Same Situation" (definitely doesn't suck) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:07:48 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: kate wolf festival NJC Hello JMDL'er, since some of you were talking about Cheryl = Wheeler--------thought some of you would be interested in the Kate Wolf = Fest. Take care gene =20 =20 Friday Saturday Sunday June 28-30, 2002 Laytonville, California =20 =20 Ticket Info tickets will be available later this month Purchase Tickets Online! click above to enter tickets not yet available *Tickets now available for Arlo Guthrie at Analy High School Theatre in = Sebastopol on Sun. Jan. 27, 2002. This happens to be Kate Wolf's 60th = birthday. Hugh Shacklett & Nina Gerber will open the show. For more = info., go to www.monitor.net/concerts (Cumulus Productions concert = page). Lodging Considerations=20 updated 1/17/02 Please send e-mail to cloud@monitor.net, or phone 707-829-7067 if = you have any specific questions at this time. However, if you have = questions related to vending, please e-mail Irene at: eengber@mcn.org. = If you have questions regarding volunteering, please e-mail Kerry at: = kerrancemorgan@hotmail.com. If you would like to submit a promo pack for = future consideration please do so to: Cumulus Productions 7350 Fircrest = Ave. Sebastopol, Ca. 95472 attn. Kate Wolf Festival.=20 Check out the page for other great Cumulus Productions events Share your comments about the Festival.=20 You can see great photos from past years of the festival by going = here. =20 =20 Friday, June 28 =20 (gates planned to open at 10:30 am-program to start at 2:00 = pm) *planned order of appearance... open mic Dave Moore Marley's Ghost Laurie Lewis & Tom Rozum Greg Brown =20 Saturday, June 29=20 (12 noon-11pm-ish) *planned order of appearance... Sarah Elizabeth Campbell The Waybacks Utah Phillips The Waifs Cheryl Wheeler, John Gorka, Lucy Kaplansky & Cliff Eberhardt = (all together) Kathy Mattea Bruce Cockburn =20 Sunday, June 30=20 (11:00 a.m.- 9:30 p.m.-ish) *planned order of appearance... Garnet Rogers Rosalie Sorrels Jimmy Lafave tba Linda Tillery &=20 The Cultural Heritage Choir Greg Brown Nanci Griffith =20 =20 .=20 and, of course, Nina Gerber, throughout the weekend. Schedule = still subject to changes. =20 .=20 **Workshop Tent, Storyteller's Circle, Kid's Area, 'Hobo Jungle' Campfire (nightly campfire down by creek shore. = Story swap, song swap, jammin'..........)**=20 Festival at Beautiful Black Oak Ranch Photos of last year's event @Black Oak Ranch Directions 5 miles north of Laytonville (northern Mendocino County), on the west side of Hwy. = 101 About 3 hours north of San Francisco, 2 hours north of Sebastopol, = and 2 hours south of Eureka The Music Bowl *All seating is general admission on the grassy land. Low backed = chairs are okay; high backed chairs or umbrellas will be asked to move = to the sides or back of the music bowl so as not to block the line of = sight for others. Blankets are okay; walkmans are encouraged--onsite = 'Sunset' radio for festival goers. The music bowl is flat, the stage = will be elevated 4-5 ft.* Pet policy No pets. one locally recommended kennel for boarding dogs is: McBride's (in Willits-30 min. south of the festival site) phone # is: 707-459-4062 hours of business are: M-F--8-5, Sat.--8-12 noon, Sun. closed (if more info. becomes available we will post on the website) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - - Ticket Prices Adults Youth (7-15 yrs. old) Child (6 & under free)=20 Full Festival Pass (Fri.-Sun./camping included) will be = announced very soon will be announced very soon $n/a=20 Weekend pass (Sat.- Sun./camping included) will be announced = very soon will be announced very soon $n/a=20 One Day (Sat. or Sun/no camping) will be announced very soon = will be announced very soon $n/a=20 One Day (Friday) will be announced very soon will be = announced very soon $n/a=20 Camping : is included in the price of admission for a full = festival or weekend pass. One day ticket holders may buy 'overnight = camping ticket' at the gate only. .=20 =20 =20 Day Only Parking Free=20 **Camping begins at 10:30 a.m. Fri. June 28, and ends at 12 = noon on Mon. July 1**--Camping spots are on a first-come, first-serve = basis. There will be some designated areas, such as: family camp, quiet = camp, RV camp, 'no vehicle' camp area, the usual 'up most of the night' = camp, and a camping area near the music bowl for those with physical = disabilities that require a closer proximity to the main area. There are = no electrical hook-ups, no individual campfires are allowed, fresh water = is available, and a limited, beautiful wooden outdoor shower facility = will be available. All toilet facilities are porta-potties.** .=20 ***** Tickets by mail: Please make checks payable to "Sebastopol Community Center" and send , along with a self addressed stamped envelope, to Cumulus Productions 7350 Fircrest Ave. Sebastopol, Ca. 95472. Credit Card purchases may be made by either calling the Sebastopol Community Center at 707-823-1511 (9:30 a.m.-7 p.m., = M-F), or Cumulus Productions at 707-829-7067. There is a service charge per ticket with a credit card purchase. Ticket Outlets: None are open at this time: Lodging Considerations: Willits Area (30 minutes south of the Festival Site): Baechtel Creek Inn-- 800-459-9911 (46 rooms) Best Western-Willits Inn-- 800-495-6259 (44 rooms) Holiday Lodge-- 800-835-3972 (16 rooms) Old West Inn-- 800-700-7659 (19 rooms) Pepperwood Motel-- 707-459-2231 Pine Cone Motel-- 707-459-5044 (20 rooms) Garberville Area (45 minutes north of the Festival Site): Benbow Inn-- 707-923-2124 (55 rooms) Best Western Humboldt House Inn--707-923-2771 (76 rooms) Humboldt Redwoods Inn--707-923-2451 (22 rooms) Motel Garberville--707-923-2422 (30 rooms) Sherwood Forest Motel--707-923-2721 (32 rooms) Leggett Area (15-20 min. north of the Festival Site): Stonegate Villas--707-925-6226 (6 rooms) River Run Lodge--707-984-6321 (9 rooms) Offsite Camping: Standish Hickey State Park (15-20 min. north/Leggett) Willits/Ukiah KOA-- 800-KOA-8542 Redwoods River Resort & Campground (Leggett)-- 707-925-6249 Hidden Valley Campground (Willits)-- 707-459-2521 . Charities ***the charitable organizations designated to be this year's = festival beneficiaries are the Seva Foundation, Bread & Roses, and the = Camp Winnarainbow Scholarship Fund.***=20 . sponsored in part by the Sebastopol Community Center and New = College of California =20 e-mail Cumulus Productions or call (707) 829-7067=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - - Visit the Kate Wolf Web Site Contact Cumulus Productions Sebastopol Celtic Festival web page updated 1/7/02 You are visitor numbersince 4/29/98 =20 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of logo.gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of concerts.gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of directions.gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of legacy.gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of katelogo.gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of transparent.gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of scc_logo_98.gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of new-college1.jpg] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Count.cgi?dd=B&df=Kate] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of katebg.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:49:21 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC > Also, has anyone ever seen the skit on SNL with Lucy Lawless as Stevie? It > was a commercial for a new restaurant "Stevie Nicks' Fajita Roundup" and is > totally hilarious. "Now here you go again, you say you want burrito's...." > I don't remember that skit but Sandra Bernhardt did a hilarious bit in her show a couple of years ago where she played Christine McVie playing in some lounge, chilling out after all those years with the Mac. She talks about Stevie hitting her in the face with the fringe of one of her shawls while Stevie was doing one or her twirling routines. You had to be there. I never got into the pre-Buckingham Nicks Fleetwood Mac much so I don't know that much about that phase of the band. But I always liked Stevie's voice & songs from the Lindsey/Stevie years better than anyone else's in the group. (There were a few of Christine's that I liked almost as much but overall I thought Stevie's writing was more interesting.) Especially 'Landslide' and just about all of her songs off of 'Tusk'. 'Sara' used to reduce me to tears every time I heard it. 'Beautiful Child' and 'Storms' are gorgeous songs and that gravelly voice is an integral part of what makes them work, imo. Curiously enough, I was never that impressed with her songs on the Mac's big blockbuster 'Rumors'. I have a bootleg record where Stevie does an amazing version of 'Rhiannon' that ends with her howling like a banshee and is followed by a wonderfully intimate 'Landslide'. I bought her first two solo records and thought they were kind of inconsistent. Liked parts of them but wasn't hog wild about either one of them overall. So I kind of lost interest. Never bought another Mac album after 'Mirage' either except for the greatest hits cd and 'The Dance' which I got mostly for 'Silver Spring'. That is another gorgeous Stevie song, imo. I don't know that I fit into either the 'I love Stevie' category or the 'I can't stand Stevie' group. I do really love some of her stuff. Then there are other times when I think she's ridiculous. Her voice is unique and with the right song & the right production she can be something close to brilliant, I think. Not brilliant like Joni, but she does occasionally have something going on that I like & admire. She has a definite persona that she projects that plays into it, I think. If that persona appeals to you, you will probably love her. If it doesn't, you can probably take or leave her. I fall somewhere in between, I guess. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:52:49 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: kate wolf NJC Sorry for the lousy page I sent. This link will provide better info and = pic. Ashara, it'll be great to see you out here on the west coast. = Later gene http://www.monitor.net/kate/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of kate.url] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:52:22 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Three Verbs After 'Sun'? > the golden [suntanned people] dive [into pools] > the fatted [old people] flake [from sunburn] and sizzle in their mink > oil [while suntanning] > This is one set of Joni's lyrics that never quite gelled for me until now. This interpretation makes perfect sense to me and it never occurred to me. Thank you, James, for parting the clouds & allowing the light to shine through into 'the ghetto of my mind' (as RLJ would say). Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:58:25 -0500 From: Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:12:54 -0500 From: Subject: Eric (NJC) Last night I went to Eric Burdon's first book signing. Instead of reading from his new book, Eric answered "questions" from an audience of about 120. The signing was at a library in San Francisco's Haight Ashbury. Eric was charming and articulate; his memories and answers were quite entertaining, especially one about Jimi Hendrix in a garden (ask privately for the slightly adult-only content). He was kidded anout "warm San Francisco nights" as it has been really cold here lately. He seems to be living in Palm Springs, and his book mentions the 1969 Palm Springs Festival (one I had almost forgotten ) and the response of the town to the invasion of young people and musicians. He did not speak much about politics or current events, but I could hear the undertone of the 60's radical still burning. Eric impressed me as a man of many musical talents, a deep love of music and people, able to laugh at himself and the past. His word pictures of figures like Brian Jones and Jimi and Janis will stay with me a long time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:19:53 -0500 From: joemezz@yahoo.com Subject: TV video A while back I saw a trubute to Joni with various guests including James taylor singing RIVER. I have been trying to buy a copy of that on VHS tape ... anyone have a source for that ?? thanks, joe mezz http://theMezz.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:45:07 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: TV video Hey Joe! That's the TNT Tribute video that was taped at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC in 2000. There are plenty on them out on Ebay. If you do a Joni search there. The video was produced by TNT. There are TWO tributes on the tape, one being Joni's the other one was for Bob Marley called One Love. Or someone on the list might be nice enough to copy it for you. I only have one broken VCR, sorry. rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:47:31 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC In a message dated 1/26/02 10:50:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: > It seems that every six months or so, someone picks on my Stevie and I feel > compelled to defend her. The thing is though, music is a personal choice > and you either like some people or you don't. (Wasn't that profound?) > > I like the witch myself ;~) Were is Nikki to defend Stevie? rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:47:52 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: multiplying the sound -- don't blame the machine... Hey, Paz, In a message dated 1/25/02 12:04:21 AM, referring to the VG8 and my comment regarding the muddy sound on PWWAM and TtT, you said, << It is NOT the fault of the processor, but the nature of the beast that programs one. >> That's what I thought -- she "n-tuples" (multiplies) the sound, producing what she calls "guitar orchestras" and what I call "muddy sound." Maybe, as with some of her other "experiments" over the years, she'll absorb it for when the effect is good/necessary, and not do it so much. :-) ciao, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:30:29 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: the birthday of Joni's Daughter? I have a question. Did Joni name her daughter or did her adoptive parent's name her? Peace.....Sharon Erica Trudelle wrote: > > hi! I know if I just searched enough I could find this out myself, but > seeing that the wealth of knowledge springing forth from this discussion > list is incredible....I thought I'd just go right to the water and dip my > cup in.......soooooo my question is, when is Joni's daughter's birthday? I > know she was "born with the moon in Cancer", but I was wondering what the > exact date was???? Thank you thank you. > Erica > NP:Bob Marley: Rastaman Vibration > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:31:50 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: trades Those leather felt suede things? What size? bzzzzzzzzzzzz carol wrote: > > does anyone have any Joni boots they would like to trade? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:24:51 -0500 From: joemezz@yahoo.com Subject: Re: TV video Thanks, I just tried eBay and do not see any copies. Maybe someone would contact me off the list. I would pay for a copy Hey Joe! That's the TNT Tribute video that was taped at the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC in 2000. There are plenty on them out on Ebay. If you do a Joni search there. The video was produced by TNT. There are TWO tributes on the tape, one being Joni's the other one was for Bob Marley called One Love. Or someone on the list might be nice enough to copy it for you. I only have one broken VCR, sorry. rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:06:19 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: the birthday of Joni's Daughter? In a message dated 1/26/02 3:22:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, sharonbuffington@mediaone.net writes: > I have a question. Did Joni name her daughter or did her adoptive > parent's name her? > Hi Sharon! Joni named her Kelly. The adoptive parents named her Kilauren. peace, rose ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:13:07 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: kate wolf festival NJC I went to the festival last year-this event is just down the road from me-it takes place at the Hog Farm (aka Black Oak Ranch) and surely Wavy Gravy will be MCing like he did last year. Anyway, I highly recommend it, nice site, nice vibe. RR gene mock wrote: > Hello JMDL'er, since some of you were talking about Cheryl = > Wheeler--------thought some of you would be interested in the Kate Wolf = > Fest. Take care gene > =20 > =20 > Friday > Saturday > Sunday > > June 28-30, 2002 > Laytonville, California > =20 > =20 > > Ticket Info > tickets will be available later this month > > Purchase Tickets Online! > click above to enter > tickets not yet available > > *Tickets now available for Arlo Guthrie at Analy High School Theatre in = > Sebastopol on Sun. Jan. 27, 2002. This happens to be Kate Wolf's 60th = > birthday. Hugh Shacklett & Nina Gerber will open the show. For more = > info., go to www.monitor.net/concerts (Cumulus Productions concert = > page). > > Lodging Considerations=20 > > updated 1/17/02 > > Please send e-mail to cloud@monitor.net, or phone 707-829-7067 if = > you have any specific questions at this time. However, if you have = > questions related to vending, please e-mail Irene at: eengber@mcn.org. = > If you have questions regarding volunteering, please e-mail Kerry at: = > kerrancemorgan@hotmail.com. If you would like to submit a promo pack for = > future consideration please do so to: Cumulus Productions 7350 Fircrest = > Ave. Sebastopol, Ca. 95472 attn. Kate Wolf Festival.=20 > Check out the page for other great Cumulus Productions events > > Share your comments about the Festival.=20 > > You can see great photos from past years of the festival by going = > here. > =20 > =20 > Friday, June 28 =20 > (gates planned to open at 10:30 am-program to start at 2:00 = > pm) > > *planned order of appearance... > > open mic > > Dave Moore > > Marley's Ghost > > Laurie Lewis & Tom Rozum > > Greg Brown > =20 > Saturday, June 29=20 > (12 noon-11pm-ish) > > *planned order of appearance... > > Sarah Elizabeth Campbell > > The Waybacks > > Utah Phillips > > The Waifs > > Cheryl Wheeler, John Gorka, Lucy Kaplansky & Cliff Eberhardt = > (all together) > > Kathy Mattea > > Bruce Cockburn > =20 > Sunday, June 30=20 > (11:00 a.m.- 9:30 p.m.-ish) > > *planned order of appearance... > > Garnet Rogers > > Rosalie Sorrels > > Jimmy Lafave > > tba > > Linda Tillery &=20 > The Cultural Heritage Choir > > Greg Brown > > Nanci Griffith > =20 > =20 > .=20 > and, of course, Nina Gerber, throughout the weekend. Schedule = > still subject to changes. > > =20 > .=20 > **Workshop Tent, Storyteller's Circle, Kid's Area, > 'Hobo Jungle' Campfire (nightly campfire down by creek shore. = > Story swap, song swap, jammin'..........)**=20 > > Festival at Beautiful > Black Oak Ranch > Photos of last year's event @Black Oak Ranch > > Directions > > 5 miles north of > Laytonville (northern Mendocino County), on the west side of Hwy. = > 101 > About 3 hours north of San Francisco, 2 hours north of Sebastopol, = > and 2 hours south of Eureka > > The Music Bowl > > *All seating is general admission on the grassy land. Low backed = > chairs are okay; high backed chairs or umbrellas will be asked to move = > to the sides or back of the music bowl so as not to block the line of = > sight for others. Blankets are okay; walkmans are encouraged--onsite = > 'Sunset' radio for festival goers. The music bowl is flat, the stage = > will be elevated 4-5 ft.* > > Pet policy > > No pets. > one locally recommended kennel for boarding dogs is: > McBride's (in Willits-30 min. south of the festival site) > phone # is: 707-459-4062 > hours of business are: M-F--8-5, Sat.--8-12 noon, Sun. closed > (if more info. becomes available we will post on the website) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= > - > > Ticket Prices > > Adults Youth (7-15 yrs. old) Child (6 & under free)=20 > Full Festival Pass (Fri.-Sun./camping included) will be = > announced very soon will be announced very soon $n/a=20 > Weekend pass (Sat.- Sun./camping included) will be announced = > very soon will be announced very soon $n/a=20 > One Day (Sat. or Sun/no camping) will be announced very soon = > will be announced very soon $n/a=20 > One Day (Friday) will be announced very soon will be = > announced very soon $n/a=20 > Camping : is included in the price of admission for a full = > festival or weekend pass. One day ticket holders may buy 'overnight = > camping ticket' at the gate only. .=20 > =20 > =20 > Day Only Parking Free=20 > **Camping begins at 10:30 a.m. Fri. June 28, and ends at 12 = > noon on Mon. July 1**--Camping spots are on a first-come, first-serve = > basis. There will be some designated areas, such as: family camp, quiet = > camp, RV camp, 'no vehicle' camp area, the usual 'up most of the night' = > camp, and a camping area near the music bowl for those with physical = > disabilities that require a closer proximity to the main area. There are = > no electrical hook-ups, no individual campfires are allowed, fresh water = > is available, and a limited, beautiful wooden outdoor shower facility = > will be available. All toilet facilities are porta-potties.** .=20 > ***** > > Tickets by mail: > Please make checks payable to "Sebastopol Community Center" > and send , along with a self addressed stamped envelope, to > Cumulus Productions > 7350 Fircrest Ave. > Sebastopol, Ca. 95472. > > Credit Card purchases may be made by either calling the > Sebastopol Community Center at 707-823-1511 (9:30 a.m.-7 p.m., = > M-F), or > Cumulus Productions at 707-829-7067. > There is a service charge per ticket with a credit card purchase. > > Ticket Outlets: > > None are open at this time: > > Lodging Considerations: > > Willits Area (30 minutes south of the Festival Site): > > Baechtel Creek Inn-- 800-459-9911 (46 rooms) > > Best Western-Willits Inn-- 800-495-6259 (44 rooms) > > Holiday Lodge-- 800-835-3972 (16 rooms) > > Old West Inn-- 800-700-7659 (19 rooms) > > Pepperwood Motel-- 707-459-2231 > > Pine Cone Motel-- 707-459-5044 (20 rooms) > > Garberville Area (45 minutes north of the Festival Site): > > Benbow Inn-- 707-923-2124 (55 rooms) > > Best Western Humboldt House Inn--707-923-2771 (76 rooms) > > Humboldt Redwoods Inn--707-923-2451 (22 rooms) > > Motel Garberville--707-923-2422 (30 rooms) > > Sherwood Forest Motel--707-923-2721 (32 rooms) > > Leggett Area (15-20 min. north of the Festival Site): > > Stonegate Villas--707-925-6226 (6 rooms) > > River Run Lodge--707-984-6321 (9 rooms) > > Offsite Camping: > > Standish Hickey State Park (15-20 min. north/Leggett) > > Willits/Ukiah KOA-- 800-KOA-8542 > > Redwoods River Resort & Campground (Leggett)-- 707-925-6249 > > Hidden Valley Campground (Willits)-- 707-459-2521 > > . > > Charities > > ***the charitable organizations designated to be this year's = > festival beneficiaries are the Seva Foundation, Bread & Roses, and the = > Camp Winnarainbow Scholarship Fund.***=20 > > . > > sponsored in part by the Sebastopol Community Center and New = > College of California > =20 > > e-mail Cumulus Productions or call (707) 829-7067=20 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= > - > > Visit the Kate Wolf Web Site > Contact Cumulus Productions > Sebastopol Celtic Festival web page > > updated 1/7/02 > > You are visitor numbersince 4/29/98 > =20 > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of logo.gif] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of concerts.gif] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of directions.gif] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of legacy.gif] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of katelogo.gif] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of transparent.gif] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of scc_logo_98.gif] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of new-college1.jpg] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Count.cgi?dd=B&df=Kate] > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of katebg.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:15:25 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC Well put Mr. Bob! I don't like Kenny G but there are a few things I like that would probably gag the average music slut.. RR SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << The thing is though, music is a personal choice > and you either like some people or you don't. >> > > The REAL thing is, there are 2 separate issues: > > 1. Music that sucks, and music that doesn't; > 2. Music you like, and music you don't. > > These are mutually exclusive. I like lots of stuff that sucks, and I don't > like lots of stuff that doesn't suck. It's the old Kenny G debate again. We > all have music that falls in these categories for us individually. > > A lot of it has to do with what Joni refers to as a singer's "awk"; that is, > his or her voice. If you're hooked on Stevie's voice, she will do no wrong > for you. If you hate her voice, she can do no right. > > It's neither bad nor good, merely the way it is. > > Bob > > NP: Clive Gregson/Christine Collister, "Same Situation" (definitely doesn't > suck) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:13:50 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: who is it? njc With all the musical knowledge here, where better to find the answer? Have loved this song for a long time but have never been able to find out who sings it so I can buy it. The lyric is "don't say you don't remember, I'll never love anyone else. If you say you don't remember, how can I go on living?" A female. Who is it? Help. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:24:53 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Defending Stevie (sort of) NJC There's also a hilarious Stevie parody on a hard to find CD called "Outrageous Radio" that boasts a new Stevie collection "digitally remumbled" ...and features a Stevie soundalike slurring her way through "Dreams" and :"Rhiannon". There's also a different Sandra Bernhard bit where she tells this story about partying and really connecting with Stevie and then getting totally 'shined on' by her later. And the other big secret that only real Stevie heads know (but which I will share with you now): If you play Atlanta Rhythm Section's (isn't that their name?) song "Imaginary Lover" at 45 rpm, you will swear it is Stevie. No really. RR kerry wrote: > It seems that every six months or so, someone picks on my Stevie and I feel > compelled to defend her. The thing is though, music is a personal choice > and you either like some people or you don't. (Wasn't that profound?) > > I love Stevie's music, but I'm not above making fun of the certain goat-like > quality that appears at times. Several years ago, a friend and were > thinking of Christmas songs that would NOT work and one of them was Stevie > Nicks singing "Silent Night!" Sure enough, the next year, "A Very Special > Christmas" came out with Stevie doing that very song. > > Also, has anyone ever seen the skit on SNL with Lucy Lawless as Stevie? It > was a commercial for a new restaurant "Stevie Nicks' Fajita Roundup" and is > totally hilarious. "Now here you go again, you say you want burrito's...." > > Kerry > (who really is a big fan!) > > NP - Ani Difranco - "Out of Range" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:57:57 +0000 From: colin Subject: Friends And Enemies NJC Since there has beeen discusion here of Afghanistan, Israel, Palestine, S.Africa and more, you might like to get hold a new book by Dorothy Rowe called Friends and Enemies. She talks about Israel, and Northern Ireland and other conflicts as well as our own conflcits neighbour to neighboure, with the family etc. Not an easy read because she holds up a mirror to you(as she has in all her books) but well worth the effort and courage to read it. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:57:38 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Kaplanski on Mitchell; Scorpio; VG-8; Hennebach I. In the newest issue of "Acoustic Guitar" magazine -- March 2002, No. 111, pp. 40 ff., Song Craft (department), "Brand-New Day," by Jeffrey Pepper Rogers -- Lucy Kaplansky is quoted as follows: "I've never come from a traditional folk orientation," says Kaplansky in a phone conversation form her home in New York City. "I was mostly influenced by pop and singer-songwriters. Joni Mitchell was probably the most important influence of my life, and I loved James Taylor and Jackson Browne -- this was in the '70s." The paragraph continues with mentions of the Eagles, Gram Parsons, Emmylou Harris, Steve Earle and Buddy and Julie Miller. II. RR wrote (in part): >The symbols of Scorpio have a hierarchy, starting with the scorpion, >or serpent, at the first level. The Scorpio ascending to higher >of > >consciousness is symbolized by the soaring eagle. The highest level >of >Scorpio is the phoenix, the mythical bird which flew so high that >it was >consumed by the fire of the Sun and then arose again from its >own ashes. >This is symbolic of the Scorpio need to regenerate itself >through >suffering (and often with what appears to be self-destructive behavior). >Scorpio needs to experience life in all its facets with great depth and >intensity. No other form of experience will do!> I don't put much stock in astrology, but like to read a little about it once in awhile. I, too, am a Scorpio. Elsewhere, I have read about symbols of Scorpio being: Lower, Scorpion; middle, Snake; upper, Eagle; but the schema above says, lower, Scorpion, Serpent (snake) interchangably; middle, Eagle; upper, Phoenix. Between the two, there are four animal symbols. Good to know should I ever want to incorporate them into any kind of artwork. III. Somebody (in preparing the reply, I have already deleted the author's name -- not my intention) -- wrote (in part): >Subject: Re: the wicked, evil, muddy sounding VG-8. > >Hi Mikes. > >I cannot thank you enough for the patches you did for me. (Got more?) >- -A very good 8 should be standard gear for a Joni player. It is >sooooooo, sooooooo cool. You can get a very clean sound out of it, for them >that long for it. There are many guitar sounds programed into the evil >bugger. -I happen to love the chorus effect of Joni's TTT settings. >It's the "sameness" of the sound, and the fact that many of the open >tunings are very similar to each other, that kind of 'dulls' the >recording, not a muddiness. Least not to my ears. I think TTT perhaps >sets a precursor for Joni's BSN. She obviously loves a 'stacked' sound. >The more layered the better. I'm chorus with Joni fever. Perhaps the author is aware the VG-88 has supplanted the VG-8 in Roland's product line-up. Bruce Anthony, the source of three tracks on Covers and Contributions vol. 24, has one, but didn't have it when he recorded those tracks. How do your remarks apply to VG-88? IV. Deb Messling wrote on >Subject: Sweet unexpected Joni moment > >I book musical acts for my library, and tonight I had the pleasure of >listening to Mad Agnes, a wonderful folk trio consisting of Margo >Hennebach, Adrienne Jones and Mark Saunders (East Coasters, if you ever get >a chance to catch them, DO[)]! The music was just unutterably lovely, and >the crowd was great, and these were musicians that my husband and I >followed around when we were first dating, so the whole evening was sweet >and nostalgic. So, I bought one of Margo's solo CDs, and it's unutterably >lovely, and I get to track 12, which according to the label is the end, but >then there's a track full of silence and then track 14 is an a cappella >version of "Song to a Seagull." Very nice, too. Bob, do you have this >one? > I have heard Margo Hennebach with Mark Saunders (but not Adrienne Jones, and, hence, not Mad Agnes as such) three times, each time at a Delaware Friends of Folk Fall Fling (renamed Delmarva Folk Festival starting in 2000) here in central Delaware. I agree with Deb's assessment, as applied to the duo. I bought a copy, on cassette, of the same album Deb got on CD -- I did not have a CD player at the time -- the cassette version lacks the hidden track, but is otherwise the same. I'd love to have a copy of that track to, in a sense, "complete" my album, so, I hope it will show up on a future Covers and Contributions volume. Or, if it's already on one, I hope that Bob Muller will let us know. Thanks. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #41 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?