From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #39 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 25 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 039 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in History: January 25 [les@jmdl.com] Night Of the HURRICANE 2 ["Aldridge, Phil" ] Re: just about fell off my feet NJC [Thomas Monroe ] Re: Mixed-up songs, to a long line of thought... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni images ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Bee-you-tea-full ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: This Just In!!! (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni Images [Jerry Notaro ] Stevie Nicks NJC [Steve Polifka ] HBJJ njc [Steve Polifka ] NJC Re: Joni Images [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bee-you-tea-full [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bee-you-tea-full ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Dog Eat Dog! ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Music 24/7( NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC - January 25th [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Stevie Nicks, Bob, and additional boring babble NJC ["Sharon L. Buffi] Re: PS to The Whiny White Kids [Randy Remote ] "Snap out of it!" [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Stevie Nicks NJC [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Three Rings in the Sun ["William Waddell" ] cOO ["William Waddell" ] Re: Joni and Astrology (long) [Randy Remote ] Re: Three Rings in the Sun [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Three Rings in the Sun [Randy Remote ] That book with the picture of Joni... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] "Muddy? Echo-y?..." I dunno [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] The other version of Man From Mars... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: the wicked, evil, muddy sounding VG-8. [johnirving ] Re: Bee-you-tea-full njc ["mack watson-bush" ] What does the NP: stand for? ["Erica Trudelle" ] Re: outrage njc [Vince Lavieri ] Re: outrage njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: outrage njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: outrage njc ["mack watson-bush" ] NJC - January 25th ["Garret" ] Re: NJC - January 25th [Alison E ] Re: What does the NP: stand for? ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:11:19 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in History: January 25 On January 25 in Joni Mitchell History: 1976: From the Official Chronology at JM.com: Joni performs at the Houston Astrodome in Houston, Texas at the 'Night Of the HURRICANE 2' - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:37:09 +0000 From: "Aldridge, Phil" Subject: Night Of the HURRICANE 2 Does anyone have this to trade? I have Dylan's "Night Of The Hurricane 2" for an interesting swap. Phil - -----Original Message----- On January 25 in Joni Mitchell History: 1976: Joni performs at the Houston Astrodome in Houston, Texas at the 'Night Of the HURRICANE 2' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: NJC - January 25th Happy Birthday to my long lost fellow Chicagoan Jody! My first encounter from the JMDL was meeting Jody at "the Green Mill" to see Fred perform. Oh yea that Fred guy can play a little, too. Jody you are an angel - so fly high on your birthday girl! Hope New Hampshire is beginning to feel like home for you and Scott. Wishing you much happiness today & everyday. Peace Susan Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:36:41 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Monroe Subject: Re: just about fell off my feet NJC Thanks Willy. :) I have to confess that I use the "fell off my feet" line more than I probably should. Who knows where I picked that one up. Tom - --- William Waddell wrote: > Hey Tom! I enjoyed your post so much. Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:51:15 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - January 25th In a message dated 1/24/02 11:03:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Happy Happy Happy Birthday Jody!!!! > luv, rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:52:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni images << Surely the 'pool' here is the office 'pool', the 'typing pool', rather than a swimming pool? It follows on from the office naturally, I think. >> Never looked at it that way, Mike...thanks for the angle. Now that I look at it, although she jumps from topic to topic in Sex Kills, her condemnations seem to travel in pairs: All these jackoffs at the office The rapist in the pool Oh and the tragedies in the nurseries Little kids packin' guns to school The ulcerated ozone These tumors of the skin So I suppose lines 1-2 interrelate just as lines 3-4 & 5-6 do. But still, the phrase "typing pool" is about as antiquated as "stenographer", innit? I mean, we're all typists nowadays, aren't we? Bob NP: Maxwell, "Now/At The Party" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:42:45 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Marrying Joni? > From: Thomas Monroe > Subject: Re: Joni and Astrology > > Well I have to ask...did you ever get the chance to > propose. You are not the first person I've heard of > or known that wanted to marry her. Not exactly.....good joke though. As Graham Nash said in Paintings With Words and Music: "Joni broke many men's hearts". Now, I'd be curious: how many men on this list ever wished to marry Joni? This reminds me of an old joke: A man tells a friend:"Oh I wish I could sleep with Marilyn again". The friend asks in amazement: "What, you mean you already slept with her?" "No, I already wanted once". Laurent PS: Ryan Adams is playing in Paris on 2/15. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:02:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mixed-up songs, to a long line of thought... << She'd also begun her decade-long experimentation / learning curve / whatever with technology. Was this just her next phase -- the shortening of lines with more electric-sounding stuff -- or was it the first sign of LK's influence?>> A bit of both, I imagine. Most importantly, Joni wanted to return herself to the marketplace after Mingus tanked. But Shadows and Light really marked the end of that 'phase', and Joni was ready to move on I think. << And if the latter, was it necessarily all bad? She doesn't seem to think so, even in retrospect, as far as I've been able to determine. >> I agree - I think WTRF is a wonderful record. When I bought the vinyl, it was everything I'd hoped it would be. I about wore the grooves out. <> Quite a nice summation...I think you make a lot of great points, Walt. Bob NP: Smash Mouth, "Pacific Coast Party" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:22:55 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Joni images >>So I suppose lines 1-2 interrelate just as lines 3-4 & 5-6 do. But still, the phrase "typing pool" is about as antiquated as "stenographer", innit? I mean, we're all typists nowadays, aren't we?<< Yeah, but we (or at least I) don't work in the typing pools of Billy Wilder's 'The Apartment' any more. Typing seems to be an individualistic thing. I agree that the phrase 'typing pool' is antiquated. Let's not forget too that 'typewriter' used to refer to a person. Mike in Barcelona NP Prefab Sprout A Life Of Surprises ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:11:00 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bee-you-tea-full This is so true. I may think I look ok in something and someone I know will see me and say yuk. Then when I don't like what I'm wearing or I don't feel comfortable in it... a lot of these times I get compliments. I dunno know? Joni always looks good,we agree on that. (when it's an important meeting and I feel I need something new.. I'll drag my sister along.....she tells me the right skirt length,shade of hosiery etc.. colors very important) Bree >Hello. >Sometimes the way a person see's themself in the >mirror is quite different than how they look on camera >or to others. How clothes feel on you is an important >aspect in how you see yourself as well. If you feel >comfortable, you might think it looks good as well. >Only my 2 cents. >Having said that though, I really don't care what she >wears. A gunny sack would be fine. :) I hope she >doesn't judge me by my clothes. >Tom > >--- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > If our Joan wore the dress there must be something > > about it? (Or maybe, it > > was a freebie from the designer?) I showed the > > picture to my sister who > > knows fashion. Her expression was comical,she said > > something like "Oh my > > gawd!!, she looks like a big sausage!" Erica, I'm > > sure it looked better > > from afar. (Ashara's pixs were just a little too > > intimate) Next time I'm > > in Borders, I'll check that book out. > > > > Bree >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:15:00 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: This Just In!!! (njc) >Victor tells me: ><music. > >Feb 15th Friday >Athens Music Factory>> > >congrats on the booking, victor! >i'll be there! who else? >hint hint: wear black and bring plenty of kleenex... i'll need >'em. ;o) it's my 40th birthday the next day. Just a youngster!! How you doing? Bree > >cindy >_______________________________________ >Cindy Vickery >Daniel Corporation >205-443-4718 direct >205-443-4615 facsimile >http://www.danielcorp.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:38:58 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni Images AsharaJM@aol.com wrote:Too late. The Jonifest wedding of 2002 is already planned. Yippee. Does this mean Bob M. has finally accepted my proposal? Jerry, excited about seeing Richard Shindell tonight ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:13:20 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Stevie Nicks NJC - - --- Tyler Hewitt wrote: > Me Too! > I cannot understand at all what people see in Stevie > Nicks. I used to live next to a small wood full of > feral cats. Used to hear them mating all the time in > the Summer. Whenever I heard this unique sound, I > would say to my partner "Stevie Nicks is singing in > the backyard again!" > Then Catherine wrote: >Whooo, Tyler! Aren't you the brave one! You know >you're going to catch it from the Stevie fans, but >it's probably worth it - this is so funny! I love Stevie and I love cats! Have you heard her sing With Kenny Loggins on "Whenever I call you friend"? That's her voice ideally. Now, she has moments on her new album Trouble in Shangri La (what a great fucking title for lost love!!!) which just shine, and moments where I want to slap her and say, "Stevie! Wake up! Stop dropping your notes at the end of a phrase! Enunciate, Dammit! Take deeper breaths..." The album is brilliant in some ways, but then(in her writing)she goes back into her sophomoric mysticsm which makes me want to break her pencil and say," Geez, woman, you got a great thing going, why do you want to ruin it with that crap?!" So there. Nothing like cats at all. More just like a lazy singer... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:26:07 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: HBJJ njc Happy Birthday Jody Happy Birthday Jo- aw, you get the message... ;-) Luv ya! Steve in Wonderful Balmy Milwaukee Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:28:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni Images > Yippee. Does this mean Bob M. has finally accepted my proposal? > Well, what do you say, Murphy? Don't keep us all in suspense! Bob NPIMH: Theme from "The Love Boat" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:32:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bee-you-tea-full <> I dunno, Bree...besides the Miyake that makes her look like an Oompa-Loompa, check out her 'power-perm-from-hell' circa 1985! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:48:41 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Bee-you-tea-full DOG EAT DOG.....hate it!!....her hair that is. I hate permed hair on anyone. LOL...."power-perm-from-hell" I think she got the hint now;long and flowing..... Bree NP:Gregg Cagno:Waiting For The Fun ><> > >I dunno, Bree...besides the Miyake that makes her look like an >Oompa-Loompa, >check out her 'power-perm-from-hell' circa 1985! ;~) > >Bob > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:12:11 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog! F**k it!! You guys are so enthusiastic about DED, I'm going to have to give it another listen before that four year promise of mine. Tonight! Tonight! Bree NP:Gregg Cagno......Dropped > >Yay, welcome Victor! Now we'll have to find a new meeting room...there >must be at least, oh...I don't know 4 or 5 of us now :) > >Reuben > >"F**K it! Tonight I'm going dancing with drag queens and the punks." Joni >Mitchell > >In a message dated Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:47:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, >"Johnson Victor" writes: > > > I would like to announce that I want to officially join the Dog Eat Dog > > Appreciation Society. I've had it on vinyl for years and never really >paid > > much attention to it but this past few days I've been playing it over >and > > over. I don't why it's clicking so much now. For some reason, I'm >really > > digging everything. It all sounds so perfect. I find it very >grounding. > > > > Victor > > > > NP: Ethiopia > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Johnson Victor > > --- waytoblu@mindspring.com > > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:18:59 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Music 24/7( NJC) I've gotten music all this week in the mail;Kate&Gregg....Ryan Adams,S&G live,and I can't remember the other CD. Also,I'm expecting a package with Joni stuff from that woman that lives in the East. It's been great!!!! (I just love my mailman) Bree NP: And when I lay awake in the heat of the day.....On the sunniest day in June........ (work cut out for me?) Ain't it funny how I got to ask for the moon.... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:27:59 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - January 25th Happy Birthday, Sweet Jody! I'm wishing you the best of everything...today and always. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:03:31 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Stevie Nicks, Bob, and additional boring babble NJC Hi Steve and Bob! I like Stevie too. Her new CD is better than most of her past CD's. I do like it and her voice reminds me some of Donna Binkley's...whom we were pleased to hear at the Fest and elsewhere. Additionally, I think we need to press that Guzzi woman to stand up and belt out some funky jazz. Susan, Sherelle, Kerry, and Ashara...be watchful of the post. Bob...I believe Joni was talking about the office gene pool...what makes up those people? What makes US ? I always learn so much when we discuss lyrics...perspectives which have not occurred to me. Last night I saw a film called Lantana. It has GREAT music and won about 7 Australian film awards...and one dingo award from its neighbor. I had won two free tickets to see the preview! Off to practice music. Love and peace......Sherrie NP: Mollie O'Brien Train Time...and switched to Gillian Welch.. Revelator Steve Polifka wrote: > > - --- Tyler Hewitt wrote: > > Me Too! > > I cannot understand at all what people see in Stevie > > Nicks. I used to live next to a small wood full of > > feral cats. Used to hear them mating all the time in > > the Summer. Whenever I heard this unique sound, I > > would say to my partner "Stevie Nicks is singing in > > the backyard again!" > > > Then Catherine wrote: > >Whooo, Tyler! Aren't you the brave one! You know > >you're going to catch it from the Stevie fans, but > >it's probably worth it - this is so funny! > > I love Stevie and I love cats! Have you heard her sing With > Kenny Loggins on "Whenever I call you friend"? That's her > voice ideally. Now, she has moments on her new album Trouble in Shangri La > (what a great fucking title for lost love!!!) which just shine, and moments > where I want to slap her and say, "Stevie! Wake up! Stop dropping your > notes at the end of a phrase! Enunciate, Dammit! Take deeper breaths..." > The album is brilliant in some ways, but then(in her writing)she goes back > into her sophomoric mysticsm which makes me want to break her pencil and > say," Geez, woman, you got a great thing going, why do you want to ruin it > with that crap?!" > So there. Nothing like cats at all. More just like a lazy singer... > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:19:01 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: PS to The Whiny White Kids William Waddell wrote: > Just a quick postscript to the last rant. What was the objective behind > releasing Tiger Bones? Showing off the machine? > Shakey Willy Bones The interesting thing about this song, which is really just the isolated guitar part from the title track, is that it showcases Joni's fingerpicking technique quite nicely. Listen with headphones or loud with well separated speakers: the bass strings are panned to one side, the treble strings to the other. Alot of sound from one guitar. Why did she release it? Dunno-maybe she was short of songs or just liked the sound of it.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:50:24 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: "Snap out of it!" Hi all, As usual, I'm a few days behind on the digests, but since where I'm reading is discussing Joni & marriage, and "Facelift" has been brought up, I had a question: When you hear the lines: She said, "You've seen too many movies, Joni, Snap out of it!"... Do you see the scene in Moonstruck when Cher slaps Nicholas Cage and says the same thing? I can't help believing that Joni had seen the movie and was slyly referring to it in those two lines. Just a thought. Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:59:43 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Stevie Nicks NJC I've always been hot and cold on Stevie, really enjoyed some of it. I like her low throaty moany growl that she uses (think "Rooms On Fire"), but not the higher pitched raspy whine ("Leather and Lace"). I have the box set that came out a few years ago, which has an incredible song on it that is a true moment of beauty called "I Sing For The Things" (maybe from "Rock A Little"?) She has her moments..."Trouble In Shangri-La" didn't do too much for me; I liked the title track and one or two others, but I found it mostly forgettable. And that plug at its release (coincidence? Methinks not...) when she did the Destiny's Child video was just plain silly. Reuben In a message dated Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:21:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, Steve Polifka writes: > - --- Tyler Hewitt wrote: > > Me Too! > > I cannot understand at all what people see in Stevie > > Nicks. I used to live next to a small wood full of > > feral cats. Used to hear them mating all the time in > > the Summer. Whenever I heard this unique sound, I > > would say to my partner "Stevie Nicks is singing in > > the backyard again!" > > > Then Catherine wrote: > >Whooo, Tyler! Aren't you the brave one! You know > >you're going to catch it from the Stevie fans, but > >it's probably worth it - this is so funny! > > I love Stevie and I love cats! Have you heard her sing With > Kenny Loggins on "Whenever I call you friend"? That's her > voice ideally. Now, she has moments on her new album Trouble in Shangri La > (what a great fucking title for lost love!!!) which just shine, and moments > where I want to slap her and say, "Stevie! Wake up! Stop dropping your > notes at the end of a phrase! Enunciate, Dammit! Take deeper breaths..." > The album is brilliant in some ways, but then(in her writing)she goes back > into her sophomoric mysticsm which makes me want to break her pencil and > say," Geez, woman, you got a great thing going, why do you want to ruin it > with that crap?!" > So there. Nothing like cats at all. More just like a lazy singer... > > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:44:15 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Three Rings in the Sun Kurt; Your guess is as good as mine. For me, it has always conjured up ripples. Tapping the glass may cause a ripple or two, but I think of Marlena looking down from her balcony and she sees three ripples in a swimming pool. Joni's lyrics aren't that abstract that they are uninterpretable but they are blurry enough round the edges to create an in-the-eye-of-the-beholder interpretation. There hangs the beauty of her words. Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:53:04 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: cOO << I think ye all must have some kinda film or ear wax problem ;-) >> Eh!? What's that? Did you say summit Michael? cOO WtS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:22:12 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni and Astrology (long) Thomas Monroe wrote: > While on the > subject of astrology, how about numerology. Anyone > ever figured out Joni's numbers. I'm a one. I don't know what her numbers are, but she mentions the number 5 twice in her most astrologically oriented song, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter: Noble as a nickle chief striking up an old jukebox Last night the ghost of my old ideals Reran on channel five She mentions 2 I came out two days on your tail Those two bald-headed days in November and 8 As we center behind the eight ball As to Joni's astrological chart, so far no one has been able to come up with her exact birthtime, which means that her all-important rising sign is not known, as well as house placement. But in DJRD she sure sums up the Scorpio influence. This desciption of Scorpio is from Jim Maynard's Celestial Guide 2002: Scorpio, a fixed sign, is true to it's convictions, set in its ways. Scorpio is ruled by energetic Mars and by Pluto, the planet of intense desires. The negative polarity gives Scorpio a very responsive nature, with much of its Martian forcefulness hidden from view. It is also a water sign, giving it an unstable, emotional nature. The dichotomy of its fixity and instability often leaves the Scorpio at war with itself. Scorpios have powerful feelings and emotions and a strong sense of purpose. They are very imaginative, subtle, persistant and determined. Their negative traits include being resentful, stubborn, obstinate, secretive, suspicious and jealous. Scorpios are self-contained and may be self-centered. They are concentrations of vast amounts of stored energy ready to burst forth. Whatever Scorpios wish to achieve, they probably will. They have a great deal of personal magnetism and healing power. The symbols of Scorpio have a hierarchy, starting with the scorpion, or serpent, at the first level. The Scorpio ascending to higher levels of consciousness is symbolized by the soaring eagle. The highest level of Scorpio is the phoenix, the mythical bird which flew so high that it was consumed by the fire of the Sun and then arose again from its own ashes. This is symbolic of the Scorpio need to regenerate itself through suffering (and often with what appears to be self-destructive behavior). Scorpio needs to experience life in all its facets with great depth and intensity. No other form of experience will do! This power and dilemma are express perfectly in DJRD: Behind my bolt locked door The eagle and the serpent are at war in me The serpent fighting for blind desire The eagle for clarity and the need to 'travel the breadth of extremity': We're going to come up to the eyes of clarity And we'll go down to the beads of guile There is danger and education In living out such a reckless life style. The urgency and intensity is also reflected in the music, the beautifully clear acoutic guitar strumming, and the insistent throb of Jaco's bass, stabbing a stacatto descent throughout. (And of course a killer vocal track!) Joni almost seems to be channeling some kind of a spiritual experience in the song, resonating with Maynards description of Joni's moonsign: Moon in Pisces Pisces is ruled by Neptune which brings an inclination toward psychic impressions. Imagination is strong when the Moon is in Pisces. There is a heightened sensitivity to music and other intangible forces. Tendencies are to be emotional, spiritual, and self-sacrificing. The Moon in Pisces adds a developing impressionability which can create feelings of vulnerability, drifting into withdrawal as an emotional protection. But as much as this song is an exploration of Joni's own native stars, it is also about a relationship. Two references make me wonder if it is James Taylor. She quotes the titles of two of his most well known songs within the lyrics: And a country road come off the wall And swoop down on the crowd at the bar and Restlessness sweeps like fire and rain Over virgin wilderness Joni gives herself the image of the high-flying eagle, and gives the fellow, an ex or rekindled lover, the image of the lowly snake, and a coward slinking down the hall to another restless night but in the end, she says, they will both rise up to their highest destiny. She finishes up with images of the bottom line duality of the universe (or the human condition): Man to Woman Scales to feathers You and I RR Marry Joni? Her track record is not that good, besides my wife wouldn't like it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:24:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Three Rings in the Sun Sticking it in the context of the song... Marlena white as stretcher sheet Watches it all from her tenth floor balcony Like it's her opera box All those Pagliacci summer frocks Otis is fiddling with the TV dial All he gets are cartoons and reruns She taps her glass with an emery file Watching three rings in the sun I've always thought of it as the three-ring circus that Marlena is watching from the window. And it's a brilliant little piece of writing...she uses the metaphor of the tenth floor room as the balcony of an opera house, it just so happens that the opera referenced is Pagliacci, which is about a clown, which is most commonly found in a 3-ring circus, hence "three rings in the sun". Just my take on it, of course. It's all a dream she has awake... Bob NP: Hanne Boel, "How Do You Stop" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:33:21 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Three Rings in the Sun SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > She taps her glass with an emery file > Watching three rings in the sun The three rings could also be the concentric rings of liquid when she tapped her glass..(out on her balcony) > > > I've always thought of it as the three-ring circus that Marlena is watching > from the window. And it's a brilliant little piece of writing...she uses the > metaphor of the tenth floor room as the balcony of an opera house, it just so > happens that the opera referenced is Pagliacci, which is about a clown, which > is most commonly found in a 3-ring circus, hence "three rings in the sun". > Just my take on it, of course. > > It's all a dream she has awake... > > Bob > > NP: Hanne Boel, "How Do You Stop" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:35:39 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: That book with the picture of Joni... Hi, Erica, Let me add my welcome to jmdl to all the other voices.... By now someone else will have told you this (I'm always behind, reading the digests), but I'm almost sure that coffee table book that you mentioned with the spectacular photo of Joni is Annie Leibowitz's book called (I think) simply "Women". warmly, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:43:55 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: "Muddy? Echo-y?..." I dunno Bree wrote: <> Actually, both, although it seems more pronounced on the video. On the album: When I listen to "Man From Mars", it sounds like she's "multipled" the guitars too much. I don't know if "muddy" is the best adjective to use; maybe "fuzzy"? Slightly as if it had been recorded in a garage (because of an echo-y character to the sound)? And it's only the guitar, not the whole sound. If you don't know what I mean, try listening to pretty much any of the tracks on TI, then immediately switch to just about any track on TtT. But as I've said before, maybe it's me... hoping to catch up soon with the digests, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:50:38 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: The other version of Man From Mars... Hey, Bob -- You said <> (1) Thanks for confirming my vagues sense of muddiness, and (2) How I look forward to hearing that soundtrack version (by Joni) that was "accidentally" released. I do have on tape the version that was sung in the movie by someone else (what is her name? I've forgotten... She did a good job of sounding plausibly like Illeana Douglas would have, if she'd sung -- in fact, I thought it *was* her until I read otherwise...), and I barely recognized the song when i heard it on TtT. Cheers, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:29:02 -0600 From: johnirving Subject: Re: the wicked, evil, muddy sounding VG-8. Hi Mikes. I cannot thank you enough for the patches you did for me. (Got more?) - -A very good 8 should be standard gear for a Joni player. It is sooooooo, sooooooo cool. You can get a very clean sound out of it, for them that long for it. There are many guitar sounds programed into the evil bugger. -I happen to love the chorus effect of Joni's TTT settings. It's the "sameness" of the sound, and the fact that many of the open tunings are very similar to each other, that kind of 'dulls' the recording, not a muddiness. Least not to my ears. I think TTT perhaps sets a precursor for Joni's BSN. She obviously loves a 'stacked' sound. The more layered the better. I'm chorus with Joni fever. Why Tiger Bones? Easy, I think she's very proud of the music and her performance of it. It is beautiful enough to stand on it's own. It also lends an air to the entire recording, an aural portrait if you will. Also, it segues the covered song to the body of her own music. If I could have everything in the world, well besides Jan van Eyck's Arnofini Wedding, Bob Muller's Joni Collection, a life time supply of animal crackers and brandy alexanders, and lifetime free membership to Bally's to work them off, I would love to add the recordings of Joni's tracks. both with and without voice. Who says I want for too much? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:12:00 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: "Trouble Man" by Joni on PWWAM Hi guys, Having complainbed about the sond of the guitar(s) on PWWAM, I should say that seeing the whole thing (the version of PWWAM shown on American PBS was about an hour long, left out 30-40% of the songs) was a thrill -- especially Joni singing Trouble Man! What fun -- it was a strain for her, as it would be for anyone to get those loooooong lines out, but she was clearly enjoying herself. Oh, and my other favorite moment is when she vagues out after the first two verses of Song For Sharon and asks the band and/or the audience : "Um, what verse are we on?" or some such. The band cracked up, and it took them all a few seconds to recover. Good to see her so relaxed, throughout the video, too. warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:16:20 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: That marriage proposal on CBS This Morning... Hey, I just remembered something... I have that wonderful "episode" of CBS THis Morning from, what, '95 or '96, and I was just wondering -- the guy who proposed to Joni right on the air -- was that one of "us"? smiling -- gotta watch that again later today, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:33:06 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: That marriage proposal on CBS This Morning... Dear Walt: What happened on CBS this morning? Since I usually do not have the TV on in the morning I missed it! I have been enjoying your posts! Peace.....Sherrie BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > Hey, I just remembered something... > > I have that wonderful "episode" of CBS THis Morning from, what, '95 or '96, > and I was just wondering -- the guy who proposed to Joni right on the air -- > was that one of "us"? > > smiling -- gotta watch that again later today, > > walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:37:58 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: That marriage proposal on CBS This Morning... Oops....never mind my previous question. You know how lawyers are...we never read a bloody thing thoroughly. Peace...Sharon...NP Sherelle BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > Hey, I just remembered something... > > I have that wonderful "episode" of CBS THis Morning from, what, '95 or '96, > and I was just wondering -- the guy who proposed to Joni right on the air -- > was that one of "us"? > > smiling -- gotta watch that again later today, > > walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:22:25 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Stevie Nicks NJC Personally, think Stevie Nicks is okay, but wouldn't buy it. That song the Steve mentions is Missy's. She sings it the way that it was meant to be sung, of course, since she wrote it. She was miffed that Kenny, the co-writer, recorded it with someone else, yet gracious as always. mack > > I love Stevie and I love cats! Have you heard her sing With > Kenny Loggins on "Whenever I call you friend"? That's her > voice ideally. Now, she has moments on her new album Trouble in Shangri La > (what a great fucking title for lost love!!!) which just shine, and moments > where I want to slap her and say, "Stevie! Wake up! Stop dropping your > notes at the end of a phrase! Enunciate, Dammit! Take deeper breaths..." > The album is brilliant in some ways, but then(in her writing)she goes back > into her sophomoric mysticsm which makes me want to break her pencil and > say," Geez, woman, you got a great thing going, why do you want to ruin it > with that crap?!" > So there. Nothing like cats at all. More just like a lazy singer... > > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:24:27 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Bee-you-tea-full njc Have noticed the same thing about myself Bree. The times that I think I have it going on and have really put a lot of time into my appearance, I seem to get very little attention. When I do not do so and feel rather scuzzy or unkempt or just not together, I get compliments out the bazoo. Figure it has something to do with demeanor since I have usually been described as arrogant, aloof, unfriendly, etc. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bree Mcdonough" To: ; Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Bee-you-tea-full > This is so true. I may think I look ok in something and someone I know will > see me and say yuk. Then when I don't like what I'm wearing or I don't feel > comfortable in it... a lot of these times I get compliments. I dunno know? > Joni always looks good,we agree on that. (when it's an important meeting > and I feel I need something new.. I'll drag my sister along.....she tells me > the right skirt length,shade of hosiery etc.. colors very important) > > Bree > > > >Hello. > >Sometimes the way a person see's themself in the > >mirror is quite different than how they look on camera > >or to others. How clothes feel on you is an important > >aspect in how you see yourself as well. If you feel > >comfortable, you might think it looks good as well. > >Only my 2 cents. > >Having said that though, I really don't care what she > >wears. A gunny sack would be fine. :) I hope she > >doesn't judge me by my clothes. > >Tom > > > >--- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > If our Joan wore the dress there must be something > > > about it? (Or maybe, it > > > was a freebie from the designer?) I showed the > > > picture to my sister who > > > knows fashion. Her expression was comical,she said > > > something like "Oh my > > > gawd!!, she looks like a big sausage!" Erica, I'm > > > sure it looked better > > > from afar. (Ashara's pixs were just a little too > > > intimate) Next time I'm > > > in Borders, I'll check that book out. > > > > > > Bree > >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > >http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:43:22 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: outrage njc That is an understatement for the way that I personally feel about the attitude in this country towards drugs, in relation to punishment, etc. No, I am not advocating drug use but live and let live is a motto that I ascribe to. I am watching the daily news, as I do every day after returning from work. The hockey killer dad was sentenced to 6-10 years in the state pen. For goodness sakes, he murdered someone! I have a good friend. I love him more than I can write here. He was not perfect as none of us are. He wandered off into the world of dealing drugs. I didn't approve but it didn't make me love him less. As I often warned him, he was eventually caught and now is serving a 12 year sentence in the state pen here in Texas. My nephew, a sweet boy, got caught up in the meth craze here in this area. Believe it or not, even in this piss poor world of nothingness, the one thing that is thriving is the meth trade. My nephew, just 18, got 5 years for getting caught. Again, I didn't approve and did my best to get him out of the mess, with the drugs, but couldn't. He didn't understand the ramifications despite being told countless times by uncle mack. Now, he is in prison. I read 54% of the prison population is for drugs. That is ridiculous. Does nothing to solve the problem. Does nothing to find out why the problem exists. 12 years in prison for selling drugs to willing adults, who are seeking out the drugs. 6-10 years for beating another human being to death. Doesn't fit to me. Phil Gramm retiring. Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dick Armey retiring. Yea!!!!!!!!!!! Kay Hutchinson, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was no surprise to me to find out that the saintly mr. gramm and his wife were both heavily involved with Enron. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:09:48 -0500 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: What does the NP: stand for? kind of a Joni related question.....but as a beginner here I am wondering what the "NP:" followed by a quote or song stands for, I am sure it's something very obvious but I just don't have the stamina to figure it out right now. Thank you :) Erica _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:21:55 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: outrage njc I will delurk for a moment. The sentence of 6-10 years for the hockey dad disappointed me, but for the opposite reason - I thiught the sentence was a tad severe, I would have gone 2-4. The dude was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, not premeditated murder, and a part of the pre-sentence report would include scoring on the degree of guilt, responsibility, and remorse that the convicted dude felt. As well, while it was not a factor in the verdict, it would be a factor in the sentence that the victim had a history of violence and attacking other people. So we did not have a big bad bully stalking and klling an innocent victim; we had two hot heads who think with their fists going after each other several times, neither one backing off, and the convicted dude never intended to kill the victim, said victim who would still be at the hockey rink today had he not gone for round 2 with the guy who was convicted. Whenever we hear a sentence, there are always mnany factors that go beyond the mere "facts" that the media gives in their sound bites. That being said, the sentences that people are getting for drug crimes in this country, as delineated in the original post that I am responding to, are heinous. I would suspect that the sentences that were referred to are in Texas state, one of the more draconian states on drug sentences - signed into law by the former governor who was lucky that he was never sentenced under them... But we have packed our prisons with people on drug charges, and it is way disproportionate to the real threats to society and safety. As long time people in the JMDL know, I am in no way "pro" drug, because I have seen drugs kill way too much, and destroy lives and familes. I am not "anti" drug either per se. I am tired of the way we treat people with jail, not treatment, with prison, not solving the problems that lead to drug use, that we slam the hammer down on some kid who likes to get high now and again while, oh, shall we say, a lot of people who made big bucks off of Enron and let Enron write our national energy policy and received 200,000s of thousands of dollars in Kenneth Lay's and Enron's campaign contributions, while these people have big paying federal jobs and Enron workers have lost their life savings. Who has hurt more people? Who has hurt society more? Who is the greater threat? Having said all this, I will retreat into my lurking hole and wait for a few more months before I surface again, since I am sure that I have offended everyone again. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:22:23 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: outrage njc In a message dated 1/25/02 5:02:51 PM, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: << The hockey killer dad was sentenced to 6-10 years in the state pen. For goodness sakes, he murdered someone! >> I agree with everything you say, Mack, but Mr. Junta was tried for manslaughter, not murder. And his sentencing might have been even lighter if his history of violence around children (prior arrests for beating his wife and for an altercation with a Boston cop) hadn't been revealed. Five years in prison for an 18 year old who used drugs? That is insanity. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:28:02 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: outrage njc good points vince, however, I don't find that whether he was tried for manslaughter or murder to be the important issue. In my eyes, he is a murderer. The victim, faultless? No. Doesn't change the fact that he is a corpse. Doesn't change the fact that Mr. Junta killed him. I would lock him up permanently. In my eyes, he didn't kill for self defense. He just killed. Throw away the key. Wasn't at the trial. Don't know all the facts, even if they were at the trial. Even so. I do know someone is dead and for what, a hockey game. Hmm. Someone stalks and then murders a victim. Just as dead. No difference to me. Could he have stopped before killing? Yes. He didn't. Manslaughter. Come on. Makes me ill. mack > I will delurk for a moment. > > The sentence of 6-10 years for the hockey dad disappointed me, but for > the opposite reason - I thiught the sentence was a tad severe, I would > have gone 2-4. The dude was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, > not premeditated murder, and a part of the pre-sentence report would > include scoring on the degree of guilt, responsibility, and remorse that > the convicted dude felt. As well, while it was not a factor in the > verdict, it would be a factor in the sentence that the victim had a > history of violence and attacking other people. So we did not have a > big bad bully stalking and klling an innocent victim; we had two hot > heads who think with their fists going after each other several times, > neither one backing off, and the convicted dude never intended to kill > the victim, said victim who would still be at the hockey rink today had > he not gone for round 2 with the guy who was convicted. > > Whenever we hear a sentence, there are always mnany factors that go > beyond the mere "facts" that the media gives in their sound bites. > > That being said, the sentences that people are getting for drug crimes > in this country, as delineated in the original post that I am responding > to, are heinous. I would suspect that the sentences that were referred > to are in Texas state, one of the more draconian states on drug > sentences - signed into law by the former governor who was lucky that he > was never sentenced under them... But we have packed our prisons with > people on drug charges, and it is way disproportionate to the real > threats to society and safety. > > As long time people in the JMDL know, I am in no way "pro" drug, because > I have seen drugs kill way too much, and destroy lives and familes. I > am not "anti" drug either per se. I am tired of the way we treat people > with jail, not treatment, with prison, not solving the problems that > lead to drug use, that we slam the hammer down on some kid who likes to > get high now and again while, oh, shall we say, a lot of people who made > big bucks off of Enron and let Enron write our national energy policy > and received 200,000s of thousands of dollars in Kenneth Lay's and > Enron's campaign contributions, while these people have big paying > federal jobs and Enron workers have lost their life savings. Who has > hurt more people? Who has hurt society more? Who is the greater > threat? > > Having said all this, I will retreat into my lurking hole and wait for a > few more months before I surface again, since I am sure that I have > offended everyone again. > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:29:37 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: outrage njc But this is Texas Bob. The great state of Texas. He committed his terrible offenses at age 17. mack > > Five years in prison for an 18 year old who used drugs? That is insanity. > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:44:34 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: NJC - January 25th Happy Birthday Jody:) I hope the day, weekend, month, and year all great for you:) Tried to send Joni M and Bob D round to you to sing a rousing chorus of "happy f**king birthday". Joni is having her hair permed (she decided that it is a good look on her afterall) and Bob's learning to cook. Sorry. Hopefully a chorus from JMDL will suffice:) Love and Luck GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:16:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NJC - January 25th happy birthday jodster! aquarian women rule! i hope you are having a lovely birthday. have a shrimp pizza for me ;-) love, alison e. in slc say hi that husband of yours for me, please! - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Oh how I love this girl's beautiful eyes, her > laughter, and a great dance > partner too! Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:32:55 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: What does the NP: stand for? Erica wrote: > kind of a Joni related question.....but as a beginner here I am wondering > what the "NP:" followed by a quote or song stands for, I am sure it's > something very obvious but I just don't have the stamina to figure it out > right now. No one else seems to have answered, so I will! NP means "Now playing" ie. whatever the person is listening to when they write. A few others that you may or may not know: NPIMH - Now playing in my head LOL - Laughing out loud ROTFL - Rolling on the floor laughing Hope that helps! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #39 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?