From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #38 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 25 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 038 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC - January 25th [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: I'm Dumb Joni's Raucous Guitar [Michael Paz ] Re: NAMMsters (NJC) LONG [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Images [Michael Paz ] Re: NJC - January 25th [Michael Paz ] Re: Mixed-up songs, to a long line of thought... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: NJC - January 25th ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC - January 25th ["Kakki" ] Re: NAMMsters (NJC) but some Joni blathering ["Kakki" ] RE: joni images ["mike pritchard" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:02:18 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: NJC - January 25th Oh how I love this girl's beautiful eyes, her laughter, and a great dance partner too! Everyone join in and wish a happy birthday to a wonderful lister who's the greatest girl in the world. Happy Happy Happy Birthday Jody Johnson! Your hubby Scott is one lucky man to have such a beautiful wife. We love you Jody! EVERYONE has to go to Jonifest 2002 just to meet Jody if you haven't had the privilege yet! Have a GREAT day my sweetie pie! xo love, DBF Jimmy (Wally please come back as THE birthday fairy) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:20:05 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: I'm Dumb Joni's Raucous Guitar I think ye all must have some kinda film or ear wax problem ;-) . Actually I think a more accurate description is that the guitars are heavily processed. Since she got the VG-8 she tends to lean towards a heavy chorus sound and lots of other effects available in the VG-8. It is NOT the fault of the processor, but the nature of the beast that programs one. It is NOT an acoustic guitar although it can be made to sound like one. I have many patches on the VG-8 than can be considered muddy (or overly processed) but then again I have many others that sound just like an acoustic with NO effects at all. Just ask the many people I have programmed for (John, Marion, Harlan, Bern, John Kelly, Chili, and Debbie). Paz (still sold on acoustic guitars but digging the VG-8) on 1/24/02 8:13 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < video...PWWM?>> > > He had to have been talking about TTT because he mentioned Man From Mars which > wasn't on PWWAM. And for the record, I agree with the take on the guitars > being muddy. Her MFM from the (recalled) Grace of My Heart Soundtrack is WAY > superior. > > Bob > > NP: Sato Nanaco, "Woodstock" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:22:36 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC- January 19th Just catching up on the list and wishing you a very happy belated birthday MG. MANY MANY more moons over your hammy! Love Ya Paz on 1/19/02 7:21 AM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Wednesday's child is full of woe, > Thursday's child has far to go, > Tuesday's child is fair of face, > But our JMDL child is Mary Grace! > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y MG!!!!!! > > Let's celebrate with our Taylor Ham wondergal - MGVAL > Have a great day, you sweetheart you! > > xo > DBF Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:28:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NAMMsters (NJC) LONG WOW! That really happened. So I guess I wasn't dreaming that some cute guy with a soul patch came up and wished her a happy birthday and promised that seven or eight guys were lining up to buy her shots (which of course is when we bolted). LOL! Where the feck is Alison anyways??? Did she make it back to Utah OR is she in Malibu??????/ Paz on 1/24/02 8:20 AM, Donna J. Binkley at djb@binkleybarfield.com wrote: > Paz wrote: > > > So. Cal. Jonifest was a gas, gas, gas!!! I'd say more, but our Pazman has > described it brilliantly already. He left out one thing though, we also > went to a bar in Malibu on the way to Brad & Rick's. Out on the deck, at > sunset we saw a school of dolphins swimming close enough to touch, and the > whole place sang happy birthday to Allison. > > "Dolphins playing in the sea > > all his sea dreams come to me" > > Have a great day folks! > > Love Texas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:32:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Images the only whooping I ever g9ot was for braking a bottle of scotch. STILL brings tears to my eyes and I STILL hate scotch.. Paz ..she slips me a pill and she gets me pretty loaded on gin... R. Adams on 1/24/02 12:34 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Great post, Jimmy! Now do I believe it, or wait for the "just kidding" > follow-up? ;~) > > I think dancing in the ABC store could get rather expensive if you did a twirl > and knocked over a rack of bottles. Not to mention that Paz would break into > tears seeing all that liquor spilled on the floor. > > And speaking of Edith & The Kingpin images, the song was obviously the > inspiration for this painting: > > http://www.art-network.co.uk/banca/portland/vettrian/pasipic3.htm#pic16 > > Bob, the kingpin of spilled alcohol at Jonifests! ;~) > > NP: John Doe, "A Matter of Degrees" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:36:50 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC - January 25th Very happy birthday to Jody. Hope you are enjoying New England on a more permanant basis. Love Paz on 1/24/02 8:02 PM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Oh how I love this girl's beautiful eyes, her laughter, and a great dance > partner too! > > Everyone join in and wish a happy birthday to a wonderful lister who's the > greatest girl in the world. > > Happy Happy Happy Birthday Jody Johnson! Your hubby Scott is one lucky man > to have such a beautiful wife. > > We love you Jody! EVERYONE has to go to Jonifest 2002 just to meet Jody if > you haven't had the privilege yet! > > Have a GREAT day my sweetie pie! > > xo > love, > DBF Jimmy (Wally please come back as THE birthday fairy) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:42:14 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Mixed-up songs, to a long line of thought... In a message dated 1/24/02 12:04:04 PM, SCJoniGuy writes: << ... I get the songs on DED & CMIARS crossed up myself sometimes [this in kind response to my embarrassment over placing "Nothing Can Be Done" on CMIARS rather than on NRH]. But I see a real delineation between NRH & CMIARS, where NRH is a return to form of Joni re-establishing control of her projects and her sound. Even though "Nothing Can Be Done" is basically a Klein song, it seems more at home on NRH than it would on CMIARS.>> Hey, Bob, Nice line of thinking -- it got me thinking of the sequence from Mingus to TI. When JM talks about Mingus, she admits that after working through at least two albums of emphasis on rhythym and simplification of melody (Hejira and DJRD -- one of the reviewers cited in Luftig's "Companion" said something about JM squeezing more syllables into one line of melody than anyone else in history -- amusing, but possibly true), she went into melody and left the rhythm sorta adrift on purpose throughout Mingus (well, with the exception of "Dry Cleaner"). And then, of course, she strated the one album every three years thing, and the next one was WTRF. Which had melody and rhythm in spectacular, one might almost say dizzying, variety. Joni seemed to have recovered rhythm, but had slowed down the syllables-per-line thing. She'd also begun her decade-long experimentation / learning curve / whatever with technology. Was this just her next phase -- the shortening of lines with more electric-sounding stuff - -- or was it the first sign of LK's influence? And if the latter, was it necessarily all bad? She doesn't seem to think so, even in retrospect, as far as I've been able to determine. The other thing that I guess first showed up in WTRF was the call-and-response stuff with guest vocalists, which I guess some jmdlers also associate with/blame on LK. The tech stuff peaked out with DED, while the call-and-response thing peaked out with CMIARS. I see it as a gradual working out of the limits and a very gradual decision-making process, with some successes and a few clunkers. And I agree that by NRH, she seemed to be on the verge of having decided how much of each of the three experiments (techno, shorter lines, and call-and-response) to integrate into her style. It was the easiest of her albums to listen to in a long while, and still one of my favorites. And then with TI, she'd come full circle. She seems to have kept the shorter lines, used what aspects of the techno that she wants or needs, and more or less dropped the call-and-response thing. It was a long experiment, but if TI is the result, then I feel it was worthwhile. Thanks for letting me ramble, and I love to hear what everyone else thinks about all this. Thanks esp. to Bob, who got me thinking about all this... Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:51:32 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC - January 25th > Oh how I love this girl's beautiful eyes, her laughter, and a great dance > partner too! > > Everyone join in and wish a happy birthday to a wonderful lister who's the > greatest girl in the world. > > Happy Happy Happy Birthday Jody Johnson! Your hubby Scott is one lucky man > to have such a beautiful wife. She is all of this & much, much more! Have a Wonderful Birthday, Jody! xoxox Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:31:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC - January 25th Oh yay!! Jody is one of my favorite people and best fellow Jonifest martini mate. A very happy birthday and best of everything in the new year!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:43:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NAMMsters (NJC) but some Joni blathering Paz wrote: > Where the feck is Alison anyways??? Did she make it back to Utah OR is she in Malibu?????? Yes! And I'm really getting worried 'bout Julius, too! I was too comatose to follow you all to Malibu Sunday but it sounded wonderful with the dolphins and the beach birthday shots. I took Julius and Alison to a little dive bar nearby last Thursday that's been written up locally and also in Vanity Fair and Rolling Stone as THE place. We showed up at 1:30 am and it looked abandoned but I sent Julius to check the door and the place was in full hop. It's a total dive on the surface but there are subtle, wonderful touches such as a jukebox with whole CDs of the best of Hendrix, Prince and Mingus (voted best in LA Weekly), all the best choice of liquor (three selections of Patron and Hendricks Gin which I've only found one other place here) and separate rooms for pool and dancing. Arty but friendly and not poseur crowd. Took a downtown friend over to check it out and guess what - they let everyone SMOKE in the bar, too!! It used to be a kind of handout for the LAPD and Dodgers and we figured it's still under police protection or something. Anyway, I thought with the pool table and the free smoking zone, it would be an attractive new place for Joni to stop by ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:52:35 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NAMMsters (NJC) but some Joni blathering > It used to be a kind of handout for the LAPD and Dodgers and we > figured it's still under police protection or something. Oops I meant hangout! The pour on the martinis is real generous too. Next time I'll think to ask if they've seen Joni come by. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:09:12 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Me Too! NJC Oh you are both brave! I have nothing against Stevie - just came to love Fleetwood Mac before her time and you know how it is with your first impressions of musical love. A friend I visited over the holidays had taped that episode of South Park with the Stevie goat and insisted I watch it twice (because it was mainly meant to be some comic relief from 9/11 and not totally to diss Stevie). I identified with the mother who had completely become catatonic, oblivious to her family and laying on the couch never moving watching the CNN coverage for weeks, I thought the goat schtick was outrageous and did feel bad if Stevie ever saw it! It was a classic episode, though! Kakki > Whooo, Tyler! Aren't you the brave one! You know > you're going to catch it from the Stevie fans, but > it's probably worth it - this is so funny! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:35:59 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: joni images >>I've heard of people having consensual sex in a pool, but rape? Bob<< Surely the 'pool' here is the office 'pool', the 'typing pool', rather than a swimming pool? It follows on from the office naturally, I think. mike in Barcelona NP Costello, Girls, Girls, Girls ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #38 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?