From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #33 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 22 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 033 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- gordon lightfoot (njc) ["Ron Greer" ] don juans restless daughter ["Ron Greer" ] Time Out ["Paul Castle" ] Gilded Cage ["Paul Castle" ] January 20 njc ["kerry" ] January 20 njc ["kerry" ] Re: gordon lightfoot (njc) [Mags N Brei ] Joni's audio paintings [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: don juans restless daughter [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Sherelle should be famous!! NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Joni's audio paintings ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Truly, madly, deeply Joni moment ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Time Out ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Time Out ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Tiny Joni Mention ["Rob Ettridge" ] Re: Joni's audio paintings - Night Ride Home ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: just a little green [KJHSF@aol.com] welcome njc ["mack watson-bush" ] We have Folkie Winner!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: NJC Cagno Boy makes good!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: We have Folkie Winner!!! njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: just a little green [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: lighter fare NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: just a little green [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC Cagno Boy makes good!! [Catherine McKay ] NJC, Dr. King ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Hi everyone! [AlvinT Chase ] Joni and Thin Lizzy [Les Irvin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:39:03 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: gordon lightfoot (njc) hi >>Magsie wrote >>>Rose, just so happen to have received from honey boi Gord's Gold..a fabulous CD which has all his old and good tunes on it.<<< a bit of advice please!! in my youth "sundown" was a hit here & i absolutely loved it. i never investigated further tho cause most of my friends at that stage said that while that song was nice, the rest was worth bothering about. i never really believed them, but never got got out to investigate gordon. now when i go to the cd shop there are just so many albums of his i just dont know where to start - some pointers would be mu ch appreciated please :-) if i remember correctly - didnt he do an album with daniel lanois producing?? ive never found that on here ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:47:25 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: don juans restless daughter hi so it finally arrived here. i couldnt find it in any local shops, they refused to order it (why????), so iwent & got a credit card (hadnt bothered with one up to now) & bought it from amazon. and what a stunning album it is. paprika plains is just wonderful, as is dreamland, the title track (djrd) is better than wonderful, absolutely superb!!! in fact every track is really great, except........ the tenth world. i just do not get this at all. it just makes no sense to me as yet,,,,,,, i really dont see it as worthy of inclusion in what is otherwise a superb album!! what do others think?? ron (still listening to try & "get" it) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:26:17 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Time Out Hope this doesn't open up the 'definitive' debate again - the book's doing some good for Joni's standing over here - - and I doubt that we'll see her again (other than in and out, via a studio) unless there's a real feeling that people want her to come. From this week's London 'Time Out' magazine: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bookends: Music Books "Karen O'Brien's 'Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light' (Virgin) claims to be 'the definitive biography'. And is. ('Georgia O'Keefe said to me, "Well, I would have liked to be a painter and a musician, but you can't do both. I said, "Oh yes you can!"). It is a sterling work of research and insight. [Ross Fortune - Time Out - Issue 16 Jan 02] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ All the best PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:02:23 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Gilded Cage I heard from my fellow folktrainer (Ginger from Philadelphia) that The Gilded Cage Coffee House had their 45th Aniversary reunion concert last night - Esther Halpern, with Saul Broudy and many others - http://www.cherrytree.org/schedule.html . I remember reading about this club in an interview with Gene Shay from the jmdl.com archives - http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/7802tfl.cfm - - but the Gilded Cage is not listed in the jmdl performance archive - anyone know if she ever did a spot there? ( Nowadays at http://www.gildedcagecoffeehouse.com ) PaulC NTS: Must buy a Steve Goodman album (which one?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:31:42 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: January 20 njc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:35:53 -0600 From: "kerry" Subject: January 20 njc HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALISON!!!!!!! Looking forward to talking to you more at this year's Fest and wondering who you will marry this time!!! Hope it was a good one! (I know I'm a little late) Take care, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:50:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: gordon lightfoot (njc) - --- Ron Greer wrote: > hi > > > >>Magsie wrote > >>>Rose, just so happen to have received from honey boi > Gord's Gold..a fabulous CD which has all his old and good > tunes on it.<<< > > > a bit of advice please!! > > in my youth "sundown" was a hit here & i absolutely loved it. i never > investigated further tho cause most of my friends at that stage said > that while that song was nice, the rest was worth bothering about. i > never really believed them, but never got got out to investigate > gordon. > > now when i go to the cd shop there are just so many albums of his i > just dont know where to start - some pointers would be mu ch > appreciated please :-) > > if i remember correctly - didnt he do an album with daniel lanois > producing?? ive never found that on here > > > Ron, see if you can find a copy of Gord's Gold. It is a 2 record set on one disc, although I believe one of the original songs is missing. Anyway, it is excellent because it includes songs like Softly, Beautiful (probably one of my most favourites) . You will find The Canadian Railway Trilogy on it, Song For A Winter's Night (Sarah McLecklin did that right Uncle John?) (and yes I do know how to spell McLachlan ;-) the point is, Ron, that is the only Gordie I own.. I lost access to the others when I moved...sooooo that is the one I suggest. Some of Gordie's newer work just wasnt my thing. Same thing happened with Brucie imho. I admire Gordie, he's still hanging in there despite the controversial talk. with a tonne of love in her heart, Magsie... watching la neige fall on cedars np: Mimi's alarm which has been sounding off for about ten minutes ! lol!!! ===== it's a miracle! Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:04:11 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's audio paintings I've listened to lots of Joni this year, mostly live stuff. One of the songs that Joni's continued to perform over the years is "Just Like This Train", as she says she just enjoys playing that opening riff. Anyway, as I listen to this song I take it in almost like "listening" to a painting. The images are so detailed an vivid in this song, particularly in this passage: "And I found this empty seat In this crowded waiting room Everybody waiting Old man sleeping on his bags Women with that teased up kind of hair Kids with the jitters in their legs And those wide, wide open stares And the kids got cokes and chocolate bars There's a thin man smoking a fat cigar" I feel like I can really SEE all these people and these scenes. Wonder which Joni songs conjure up specific images for y'all... One of the joys of Joni's music for me, I would say, and the benefit of her bringing a visual artist's sensibilities to her music. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, Hurricane Carter Benefit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:13:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: don juans restless daughter <> Yep, I agree 100% Ron...when I bought the album and put it on cassette tape, I taped about a minute and a half of The Tenth World and then faded it out. To this day it still is monotonous and holds no interest for me. Luckily thanks to the technology when it comes on I can simply click on "next track" and be done with it. Why it's there, and why it lasts for 6:45? Well, I think Joni's telling a narrative with DJRD, and Tenth World is a transition from Otis & Marlena, which closes with a Third World dream of kinds, and then segues to Dreamland. But it's much too long a segue to hold interest, there's just not enough variety in spite of the backing vocals, which try to build up some momentum to the percussion. Part of me thinks she was just trying to throw some royalty pennies to Don Alias, who gets a writer credit here and who was her man du'jour at the time. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:42:55 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Sherelle should be famous!! NJC Wow! All this talk in the past and now again about the fantastic Sherelle! Where, oh where do I send away for a copy? Happy Martin Luther King Day everyone. Peace and Justice for all. Peace....Sharon RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 01/20/2002 12:03:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com > writes: > Dear Mary, > You just made my night! Thank you for your wonderful words. What an > encouragement they are to me. > > Love, > Sherelle > > > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:55:33 EST > > From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com > > Subject: Sherelle should be famous!! NJC > > > > hello, > > > > I listened to Sherelle's demo for the first time today. It is fantastic! > > Sherelle, you have a beautiful voice and the music is just great! It is a > > soulful type of jazz (my words, I don't know if Sherelle would agree with > > this description) and it is better by far than a lot of what you hear on > > the > > radio. Listers, I recommend you check this out. I wish I had contacts in > > the recording industry.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:01:03 -0500 From: slarty Subject: Re: Could this be a virus? (NJC) Not likely a virus but it still could so some nasty things if it was sent with malicious intent. It could be commands to format your hard disc or screw up your configuration. If it is a batch file, though you should be able to read it with a text editor such as notepad. Don't double click it. If you right click on it and then choose edit, you will be able to read exactly what it says. You can then post it as text and someone will be able to tell you what it does. If on the other hand you right click on it and it does not give you an edit option it may be an .exe file posing as a batch file and this could very well be a virus. Ken BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > Hi, all, > > I just got an e-mail with "Vera Lundgren" as the subject, and an attachment > with a ".bat" suffix from someone I don't know. His name/address was "Jerome > Bray". Did anyone else get this? Is this person a > jmdler? Or could this be a virus? (I have a Mac and I didn't open the > attachment, but I'm worried about the rest of you...) If it *was* from a > jmdler, and it *was* something I asked for, I apologize, but I need more > information about the attachment to help me remember than "Here's the info > you asked for." > > Sorry if I'm being alarmist, but just in case, I thought I'd spread the word > -- and not the virus. > > warmly, > > Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:10:21 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni's audio paintings Yes! Yes! I do this quite a bit with her music.......it is soooo vivid. Night Ride Home....Free Man In Paris, Cotten Avenue,Ladies Of The Canyon, Damn.. I could go on!! Night Ride Home: From the big blue moon,silver power lines, the horse with the red taillights on his hide,her man beside her,the band tearing down..... NO PHONES UNTIL FRIDAY:I always picture Joni's cell and her lovers in the glove compartment. Turned OFF,of course. There is a lonely country road that I travel quite frequently in Indiana along the beautiful Ohio river. The road has quite a few S-curves and there are farms scattered about. Every time I'm on this road,and when I go into a particular curve,there is a small barn with horses outside grazing.......NIGHT RIDE HOME starts playing in my head. And WOW, sometimes there is a full moon reflecting on the water and you can even hear the crickets. :-) The downer for me only is that I don't have my sweetie sitting next to me. :-( I know Joan wrote this while in Hawaii. At least the inspiration came from her time there. Gem of a song! Bree Np:Night Ride Home > >I've listened to lots of Joni this year, mostly live stuff. One of the >songs that Joni's continued to perform over the years is "Just Like This >Train", as she says she just enjoys playing that opening riff. > >Anyway, as I listen to this song I take it in almost like "listening" to a >painting. The images are so detailed an vivid in this song, particularly in >this passage: > >"And I found this empty seat >In this crowded waiting room >Everybody waiting >Old man sleeping on his bags >Women with that teased up kind of hair >Kids with the jitters in their legs >And those wide, wide open stares >And the kids got cokes and chocolate bars >There's a thin man smoking a fat cigar" > >I feel like I can really SEE all these people and these scenes. Wonder >which Joni songs conjure up specific images for y'all... > >One of the joys of Joni's music for me, I would say, and the benefit of her >bringing a visual artist's sensibilities to her music. > >Bob > >NP: Bob Dylan, Hurricane Carter Benefit _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:14:14 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Truly, madly, deeply Joni moment >--- Catherine McKay wrote: > > I hadn't seen the film "Truly, madly, deeply" until I > > rented it last night. And whaddya know? alan Rickman > > and Juliet Stevenson sing "A case of you". Probably > > not news to some of you, but there you go. > >I forgot all about that Catherine! And a fine film it is. >a real tear jerker. > >Mags. >np: Present Moment Days >with the hopes that Mr. Cagno will win :-) Mr.Cagno is on his way to my house....I ordered "Present Moment Days" yesterday. Bree > > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca > > >===== >it's a miracle! >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:22:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's audio paintings - Night Ride Home <> NRH seems to be one of her most popular "new" songs. It's already been covered twice (both times by men) and was also one of the songs done at the Howling Wolf benefit. Marcel did a nice version at the last fest. Terry did a great take of it on the JMDL "Tape of You" project. It's more accessible than a lot of her later material. Joni has done it live a lot, starting in 1988 before she even released it. It IS a gem, a feel-good, vivid images song. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:20:59 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: computer gender, NJC Subject: Fw: joke? The Sex Of The Computer A language instructor was explaining to her class that in French, nouns unlike their English counterparts, are grammatically designated as masculine or feminine. "House," in French, is feminine-"la maison." "Pencil," in French, is masculine-"le crayon." One puzzled student asked, "What gender is computer?" The teacher did not know, and the word wasn't in her French dictionary. So for fun she split the class into two groups appropriately enough, by gender and asked them to decide whether "computer" should be a masculine or feminine noun. Both groups were required to give four reasons for their recommendation. The men's group decided that computers should definitely be of the feminine gender ("la computer"), because: 1. No one but their creator understands their internal logic 2. The native language they use to communicate with other computers is incomprehensible to everyone else 3. Even the smallest mistakes are stored in long-term memory for possible later retrieval 4. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you find yourself spending half your pay check on accessories for it. The women's group, however, concluded that computers should be masculine ("le computer"), because: 1. In order to get their attention, you have to turn them on; 2. They have a lot of data but they are still clueless 3. They are supposed to help you solve problems, but half the time they ARE the problem 4. As soon as you commit to one, you realize that if you'd waited a little longer, you could have gotten a better model. The women won. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:49:52 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Time Out The debate:Will Joni give a concert in front of a live audience again? Is this what you mean? There is no debate,if this is what you are reffering to. She will sing for her fans again!! I will hound her to death until she does. ;-) IT's just a matter of time. (a little prayer never hurts) (won't she promote her upcoming release?) Bree >Hope this doesn't open up the 'definitive' debate again - >the book's doing some good for Joni's standing over here >- and I doubt that we'll see her again (other than in and out, >via a studio) unless there's a real feeling that people want >her to come. > >From this week's London 'Time Out' magazine: > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Bookends: Music Books > >"Karen O'Brien's 'Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light' >(Virgin) claims to be 'the definitive biography'. And is. >('Georgia O'Keefe said to me, "Well, I would have liked >to be a painter and a musician, but you can't do both. >I said, "Oh yes you can!"). It is a sterling work of >research and insight. > >[Ross Fortune - Time Out - Issue 16 Jan 02] > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >All the best >PaulC _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:59:57 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Time Out I failed to mention the little fund set aside, since I last saw her in 75'......I will fly to the farthest reaches to see her live again. She must tour!! Bree NP:Rod.....Have I Told You Lately that I Love You......have I told you there is no one else above you..... >From: "Paul Castle" >Reply-To: "Paul Castle" >To: , "Les Irvin" , "jmdl" > >Subject: Time Out >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:26:17 -0000 > >Hope this doesn't open up the 'definitive' debate again - >the book's doing some good for Joni's standing over here >- and I doubt that we'll see her again (other than in and out, >via a studio) unless there's a real feeling that people want >her to come. > >From this week's London 'Time Out' magazine: > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Bookends: Music Books > >"Karen O'Brien's 'Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light' >(Virgin) claims to be 'the definitive biography'. And is. >('Georgia O'Keefe said to me, "Well, I would have liked >to be a painter and a musician, but you can't do both. >I said, "Oh yes you can!"). It is a sterling work of >research and insight. > >[Ross Fortune - Time Out - Issue 16 Jan 02] > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >All the best >PaulC _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:11:38 -0600 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Tiny Joni Mention Last week I was lucky enough to go to the 'Concert for a Landmine Free World' with amazing collaborative performances by Emmylou Harris, Nanci Griffith, Steve Earle, John Prine and Elvis Costello. I was just flicking through the programme and noticed that in Elvis Costello's bio section it says: "Costello's work appears on...tribute albums for Joni Mitchell, Gram Parsons, Charlie Mingus and Henry Purcell." I guess this is a reference to his version of Edith and the Kingpin on 'A Case of Joni', but it had me excited for a split second. It'd be nice if this mention meant that the album's release is imminent, but I expect it has more to do with whoever wrote the blurb not knowing it hadn't been released. Rob _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:18:12 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni's audio paintings - Night Ride Home ><from her time there. Gem of a song!>> > >Marcel did a nice version at the last fest. Terry did a great take of it on >the JMDL "Tape of You" project. It's more accessible than a lot of her >later material. I'm looking forward in getting the 4-set videos (or is it five?) of last years fest. I'm glad someone did NIGHT RIDE HOME. Bree > >Joni has done it live a lot, starting in 1988 before she even released it. >It IS a gem, a feel-good, vivid images song. > >Bob _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:22:43 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Truly, madly, deeply Joni moment In a message dated 21/01/02 08:03:20 GMT Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > I hadn't seen the film "Truly, madly, deeply" until I > rented it last night. And whaddya know? alan Rickman > and Juliet Stevenson sing "A case of you". Probably > not news to some of you, but there you go. > > That's my all time favourite film and "A case of you" is my all time favourite Joni song but, somewhow, I had completely forgotten that the song was in the film! I just had to go and watch the film again to check and, sure enough, you're right. Not the greatest rendition though! Great performances from Juliet Stevenson, Alan Rickman, Michael Maloy and Bill Paterson with direction from Anthony Mingella. A Great British film. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:22:53 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Fw: Twisted normalities - last night in ramallah(NJC) A couple of months ago I met up with an old school friend I hadn't seen since leaving school. She told me that both her son and her daughter were spending some time in Palestine researching their heritage as they have a Palestinian grandparent. Yesterday, she sent me a copy of the e-mail she had just received from her daughter which made me think a bit. At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest of discussion about a subject I know little about, I asked if I could pass it on to you guys and she said she would be delighted so here it is:- Twisted normalities We had finished watching 'Snatch', and in a fit of Brad Pitt fervour, decided to move onto 'Fight Club'. Just a normal evening - friends getting together, watching a video. Normal for Ramallah, that is. That means, firstly that choices are limited on social engagements, (there's an occupation, people dying every day, it's not really a party atmosphere). Secondly it means that an interruption to almost any 'good time' we are having is guaranteed. Last night was no exception. At 11.45 the 'phone rang. Tamara was calling from a friend's wedding reception, fifteen minutes down the road, 'Have you heard? We're not sure we'll be able to get back, but we're leaving now. There are tanks coming in by the hotel'. Heard what? There'd been another 'amaliyya' or operation inside Israel. Sharon's government assassinated Ra'ed Karmi on Monday, knowing full well that this would provoke an attack from extremist groups, the excuse Sharon needed to escalate and consolidate his occupation of the Palestinian territories: Sharon is not interested in peace, and the calm from extremist groups in the last month has not been in the interests of the current, war mongering Israeli right-wing government. So, Israeli tanks were already moving around the outskirts of Ramallah. Muna switched the video off. We waited. Tamara arrived home. We waited some more. The waiting game. Now, or later? While we are awake, or when we are sleeping? Tanks or helicopters? Short, quick intrusion, arrests and withdrawal, or long, drawn out, invasion and more waiting? We turned the video back on. May as well watch Brad Pitt and forget about the tanks. The video over, I decided to stay the night - comfort and a feeling of security in numbers. Several hours later, the deep rumbling woke me. Drugged by sleep, I thought, 'oh, the tanks' and turned over, too tired to react. Hearing Tamara moving around, though, I got up. With Muna, we edged towards the window, peeking out of a small side window, where the blind was open. One tank and an armoured personnel carrier (APC) were rolling past. Immense military power. I thought of the little plastic tanks children play with. Felt oddly detached from what I was seeing. Israeli occupation. Now no longer up the road. Israeli occupation, several feet away. I felt surprisingly calm. We went into the kitchen to make coffee. 5.30 a.m. The phone rang, reports from round Ramallah - they were coming in also at El Tireh and Grand Park. Drinking coffee the deep rumbles again. Back to the window. Another two APCs and a jeep. The first vehicles had moved on down towards Arafat's headquarters. The next APC stopped a couple of hundred yards down the road. I thought of toy tanks again. Kids and metal toys, targets hit at whim, the coil of the tank chains clicking over metal. The APC on the road edged forward. Then I thought of Bethlehem. Indiscriminate tank fire. 7 a.m. I went back and sipped coffee. Morning sun through the blinds played out patterns on the floor. Our vulnerability stares us in the face: what resistance to this tank deployment? None - what are the pathetic automatic rifles Arafat's men have going to be able to do faced with this show of American sponsored and supplied might? More grinding from outside. Back to the window. Another tank in from a side road further down, heading up the road towards us. A mangy looking cat scrambled out of a rubbish dump opposite and paused. A still point in the turning world. Then ran on down the road. The tanks have moved further in. The stronghold on Palestinians tightens, the occupation - the root cause of the problem - has moved up yet one more notch. For how much longer will life just continue to push on, creating another new level of normality? Amy Gibson Ramallah, Occupied Palestine 18 Jan 2002 Jacky All truth goes through three steps: First, it is ridiculed, Second, it is violently opposed; Third, it is accepted as self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:01:59 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Sherelle should be famous!! NJC Dear Sharon, You are wonderful! If you would just send me your address off-list, I will make sure you get a copy. Love, Sherelle In a message dated 01/21/2002 6:33:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, sharonbuffington@mediaone.net writes: > Wow! All this talk in the past and now again about the fantastic > Sherelle! Where, oh where do I send away for a copy? > > Happy Martin Luther King Day everyone. Peace and Justice for all. > > Peace....Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:48:10 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's audio paintings - Night Ride Home SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > NRH seems to be one of her most popular "new" songs. It's already been covered twice (both times by men) and was also one of the songs done at the Howling Wolf benefit. Marcel did a nice version at the last fest. Terry did a great take of it on the JMDL "Tape of You" project. It's more accessible than a lot of her later material. Do you have the tape of Shawn Colvin doing it? It is very short, but very beautiful. A tribute to Joni at one of her liver concerts. Covers report: Had all weekend. HA! What a laugh. So far the find is Mama's Boy's This Flight Tonight. Rock On!!!!!! Like the Danny Cox and Dianne Davidson. Can't imagine why Bill Laswell is on it. Where was the Blue???? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:54:56 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's audio paintings - Night Ride Home <> Liver concerts? Was this some kind of benefit for Crosby? :~D (Yes, I've heard the Shawn...she does it as part of a nice medley with some other songs. So funny that Shawn didn't do a Joni song on her "Covers Girl" CD, as much as she loves Joni) <> I dunno, if I ever meet up with Laswell, I'm gonna open up a can of whup-ass on him. I don't get it either, but included it out of obligation. Hey, at least Joni got her money out of the deal! Bob NP: Ani, "'Tis of Thee" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:20:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Cagno Boy makes good!! This just in from Gregg: <> Congratulations, Gregg...you deserve every bit of it, my friend! Bob NP: Ani, "Angel Food" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:32:11 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)A few "deep thughts"... If we could just get everyone to close their eyes and visualize world peace for an hour, imagine how serene and quiet it would be until the looting started. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ As you make your way through this hectic world of ours, set aside a few minutes each day. At the end of the year, you'll have a couple of days saved up. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Give me the strength to change the things I can, the grace to accept the things I cannot, and a great big bag of money. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For centuries, people thought the moon was made of green cheese. Then the astronauts found that the moon is really a big hard rock. That's what happens to cheese when you leave it out. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Once, I wept for I had no shoes. Then I came upon a man who had no feet. So I took his shoes. I mean, it's not like he really needed them, right? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I believe you should live each day as if it is your last, which is why I don't have any clean laundry because, come on, who wants to wash clothes on the last day of their life? Cheers, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:16:50 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: lighter fare NJC Well put. We all run into our share. Probably one too many at times :-) Thanks. Heather At 10:36 PM 1/20/02 -0500, you wrote: >Well, as I've said here before (but just love saying again) -- everyone is an >asshole to someone. > >-Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:21:34 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: Sherelle should be famous!! NJC You really will not be disappointed Sharon ... and in addition to her great voice she is a sweet and beautiful person! Heather At 08:42 AM 1/21/02 -0600, Sharon L. Buffington wrote: >Wow! All this talk in the past and now again about the fantastic >Sherelle! Where, oh where do I send away for a copy? > >Happy Martin Luther King Day everyone. Peace and Justice for all. > >Peace....Sharon > >RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 01/20/2002 12:03:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, > les@jmdl.com > > writes: > > Dear Mary, > > You just made my night! Thank you for your wonderful words. What an > > encouragement they are to me. > > > > Love, > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:56:48 -0500 From: "Erica Trudelle" Subject: just a little green Hi everyone! This is my first post on the JMDL.....I've been reading them for a couple of days and decided that it's time to dive in. I was introduced to Joni's creative brillance as a young child but didn't bloom into the HUGE fan I am today until my late teens (I'm now 28). I won't gush on and on about how much I love her because obviously you all know what an incredible person she is or you wouldn't be part of this discussion list :) Anyway, one of my FAVORITE things is to hear other people's ideas about Joni's lyrics, soooooo I was wondering if anyone would be up to letting me know (in as much detail as desired) their take on "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow". Personally, it pulls something out from deep inside me. Remember I'm just a little green at this so if this type of post isn't the norm here please, "be polite" :)) Hope to hear from you, Erica _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:25:51 EST From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: just a little green Welcome, Erica! I'd say you are right on target with your "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" question! Not only have we discussed that brilliant little tune many times before, but we recently had a running thread about the different interpretations of the line "Your notches, liberation doll". theres so much to feast upon in each line, in each song in each album and in the entire body of Joni's work. Welcome aboard!!! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:28:22 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: welcome njc Welcome Erica. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:44:25 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: We have Folkie Winner!!! njc GREAT NEWS!!! Gregg Cagno was a winner in the South Florida Folkfest for best mellow song for his tune "Just The 3 Of Us" Forgive me Gregg, I just had to spill the beans.... I know how modest you are..cough, cough. Join me in congratulating Gregg on a job well done and recognition that was long overdue. Have I heard this song yet Gregg? LOL love, rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:46:58 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Cagno Boy makes good!! You beat me to the punch LMAO. I'm ecstatic for him. ~rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:01:08 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: We have Folkie Winner!!! njc In a message dated 1/21/02 6:45:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: > GREAT NEWS!!! Gregg Cagno was a winner in the South Florida Folkfest Way to go Gregg! I wish I would have known about the festival earlier. I would have driven to the other coast of Florida in a flash! Congratulations! Jimmy NPIMH- "Hut-Sut Rawlson on the rillerah and a brawla, brawla sooit" :~D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:11:43 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: just a little green In a message dated 1/21/02 5:59:22 PM, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: << I was wondering if anyone would be up to letting me know (in as much detail as desired) their take on "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow". >> Oh, no! I can't get into the "your notches"/"you're notches" debate again so soon! (Just kidding -- I'll be polite.) Welcome, Erica! We all just discussed this within the past month or so. It's always a subject that brings out a lot of brilliant insight (ask Muller about "the 1:15") and, in my opinion, a lot of less than brilliant insight. And the great thing is, thanks to our wonderful Webmaster Les, you can go to the JMDL archives and check out everything that's been said on the subject for the last couple of years. What more could a Joni lover ask for? The JMDL is where I found out that the "copper proud-headed Queen Lizzie" in "Electricty" is -- duh! -- a Canadian penny, among many other fun Joni facts. Plus the people here are great. Have fun! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:18:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: lighter fare NJC - --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Well, as I've said here before (but just love saying > again) -- everyone is an > asshole to someone. > Quite right! One man's ceiling is another man's floor. One person's poison is another's feast. And so on. (What? Me? An asshole? Naaaahhhh!) ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:19:38 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: just a little green In a message dated 1/21/02 5:59:22 PM, humbletiger@hotmail.com writes: << I was wondering if anyone would be up to letting me know (in as much detail as desired) their take on "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow". >> Oh, no! I can't get into the "your notches"/"you're notches" debate again so soon! (Just kidding -- I'll be polite.) Welcome, Erica! We all just discussed this within the past month or so. It's always a subject that brings out a lot of brilliant insight (ask Muller about "the 1:15") and, in my opinion, a lot of less than brilliant insight. And the great thing is, thanks to our wonderful Webmaster Les, you can go to the JMDL archives and check out everything that's been said on the subject for the last couple of years. What more could a Joni lover ask for? The JMDL is where I found out that the "copper proud-headed Queen Lizzie" in "Electricty" is -- duh! -- a Canadian penny, among many other fun Joni facts. Plus the people here are great. Have fun! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:34:13 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Cagno Boy makes good!! - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > This just in from Gregg: > > < competition > at the folk fest! Waydda go, Gregg! ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:38:30 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: NJC, Dr. King On this day we remember the contribution of Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Here in America, he was one of the cornerstones of the civil rights movement in my youth. To me, it's a shame that America, founded on equality for white male landowners, is still struggling with this basic theme of equal opportunity for all. Doctor King was a talented speaker and a wise leader. We miss him everyday, and his work goes on. Lama, checking in from Joni-only digest ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:33:15 -0800 (PST) From: AlvinT Chase Subject: Hi everyone! Hi, I just want to check in,hope everyone had a healthy,happy,Joni New Year... Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:40:52 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni and Thin Lizzy Another interesting bit of trivia for y'all... http://www.darrenwharton.demon.co.uk/page2.html Les ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #33 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?