From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #23 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 13 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 023 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: January 12 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Joni's Jimi painting ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's Piano [Howard ] Re: What does "Open" mean (tunings etc) [Howard ] Re: Hey Joe! Where you goin' with that free CD in your hand... ["Bree Mcd] NJC Re: Hey Joe! Where you goin' with that free CD in your hand... [SCJon] Re: Simon & Garfunkel (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Sherelle! NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [TerryM2222@aol.com] NJC-John Kelly final weekend in NYC ["Barbara L" ] Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [colin ] Re: RORY BLOCK rocks! (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] abebooks.com NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] ghosts and guitars (njc) ["Johnson Victor" ] Mingus (NJC) [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: Joni/Jimi/Jaco! [Michael Paz ] Re: ghosts and guitars (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: ghosts and guitars (njc) ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:01:49 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: January 12 On January 12 in Joni Mitchell History: 1986: Joni is interviewed at WNEW-FM. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:16:26 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Jimi painting Randy - I have never seen it reproduced anywhere and it is unlike any of her other paintings that I've seen. It is simplistic and unrefined - almost like something a teenager just beginning with oil paints would put to canvas. Oil gobs kind of spackled on and more than a little impressionistic. I had the feeling that she painted it a long time ago. What it lacks a little in technique, however, is more than made up for in creative whimsy and style . I was delighted to discover it tucked away by itself near the front desk. It is small - maybe 8 x 10 at most. It reminded me a little of iconic Santeria art. Think that I later did read something that she said about the painting. I'll have to check for it again. Kakki >It was Jimi high up on a cloud with a dark >blue sky background. He was dressed like >and angel, wings and all and in his famous >pose before the flaming.guitar. > > I would love to see that one...Has it ever been reproduced? > RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:52:37 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Re: Joni's Piano Abby wrote: >One of my favorite piano moments from her is in "Blue" >right after she sings, "Lots of laughs...lots of laughs..." Then she plays a >few stray notes, and then there's that beautiful key change to get her back >to "Everybody's saying that Hell's the hippest way to go out..." Definitely >one of the best. I wish I had the music for it. > The piano music for "Blue" is available from www.jmdl.com/guitar - search by album, song title, or for type "piano music" to find it. Hope you like it! I've also done the piano music for "For Free", available from the guitar area as well. At some point I hope to do more of Joni's great piano tracks... Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:26:54 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Re: What does "Open" mean (tunings etc) Not a lot to add that hasn't already been covered by Marian. Just wanted to say that the terms "open" tuning and "modal" tuning can be used to imply different types of tunings, but the terms are quite often used as if they meant the same thing. I think the term "open tuning" came from the idea of tuning the guitar to "open chords". An open chord is any chord (played in standard tuning) where you fret notes only at the first few frets and where you also use some open strings. An example of an open chord (standard tuning) is E major: 022100. If you tune the strings to produce the notes of this open E chord you end up in "Open E tuning". An open tuning, by this definition, means that you get a straight-forward chord (usually major or minor) when you strum the 6 open strings. The term "modal" tuning tends to be used when the 6 open strings don't give you a "simple chord", but there is a certain harmonic flavour or "mode" suggested. The chord and the key of the tuning are more ambiguous here, which gives interesting musical options. Joni has played in both types - tunings such as CGCEGC (C75435), EBEG#BE (E75435, "open E"), DGDGBD (D57543, "open G") are common "open tunings", and others like Hejira - CGDFGC (C77325) or Magdalene laundries - BF#BEAE (B75557) could be called "modal" with their more ambiguous and complex sound. Howard On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:38:45 EST BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > I know what chords mean only in terms of the piano > (i.e., if someone asks me to play a Dm7 on the piano, > I can do it pretty much without thinking), but what does > an "open" tuning on a guitar mean? It seems to mean > more than just "non-standard" -- if so, is there more than > one "closed" way of tuning? > > Also, what does a "modal" tuning mean? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:58:24 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Your noches liberation doll NJC << Cool heroin urinates boldly. >> Perhaps this was the inspiration for "Pissed a tequila anaconda the full length of the parking lot" :~) Thanks for the great sleuthing on that one, Tyler. Maybe someone needs to work on the Joni decoder ring! Bob NP: Lucinda, "Essence", live in SF '01 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:58:55 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Your noches liberation doll NJC Good sleuthing Tyler! Could be the anagrammatic Joni? I like......Loony..dishonorable,cruel it. Bree np:Rod Stewart,For The First Time > >Then it hit me-it could be an anagram! Maybe Joni was >hiding a message in an obscure lyric passage. I found >an anagram website, and entered 'your noches >liberation doll'. >I got back MANY entries. Here are some of my >favorites: > >Abhorrently delicious loon > >Heinously bold correlation > >Odorously intolerable inch > >Blearily or uncool hedonist. > >To lousy, honored brilliance. > >Loony, dishonorable, cruel it. > >Continually bloodier horse. > >No! noble, delicious harlotry. > >Horridly absolute, nice loon. > >Horribly tooled on lunacies. > >Cool heroin urinates boldly. > >I, coitally horrendous noble. > >Bloody Hell! a cretinous iron. > >Loony-bin or allied touchers. > >Bloodily not raunchier lose. > >Tiny, dishonorable, cruel loo. > >Absolutely horrid, nice loon. > >This burly, loonie canoodler. > >Reliably or uncool hedonist. > >Boo! heinously clitoral nerd. > >Bloody Hell! nuisance or riot. > >Rehoused clitoral loony-bin. > >Odiously nobler, nice harlot. > >Oily, rich, absolute Londoner. > >Sod! looney, horrible lunatic. > >An elite, burly, cool dishonor. > >O Hell! notoriously nice drab. > >Horrible loons lout cyanide. > >Shoot! loony, rude brilliance. > >Hello! rabid, cretinous loony. > > >And, perhaps the most appropriate amagram in this >entire exersise: > >Blearily dishonor cool tune. > > >Love Ya! >Tyler >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:02:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: January 12 << 1986: Joni is interviewed at WNEW-FM. >> Les, I noticed this one is not in the article database. I've got the audio if you can sweet-talk that court stenographer on your staff to do a transcription. ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:09:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Hey Joe! Where you goin' with that free CD in your hand... << Hi Bob here's my guess At Last, Both Sides now ...............................Joe Gomez >> A big "Whoo-Hoo" is in order for Joe! My song this month was "I Wish I Were In Love Again" from BSN. Joe was the closest, so to the winner belongs the spoils! So get back to me Joe, before this CD spoils! :~) And a BIG thanks to all of you who guessed, from all over the world. I'll have another one ready to fly in February, so stay tuned. And if you didn't win, and would like a copy of the compilation (like Slim Whitman, it's not available in stores), let me know. I even have a Paypal account, so it can be yours with a few clicks of the mouse! Yours in Joni covers, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:12:53 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NYC Bound (NJC) >Although I'm beholden to Mom and her maternal need to set me for life in >large, white cotton underwear, > This cracked me up........ silk undies=yeast problems,of course ........your mother is on to it. Bree np:Rod,So Far Away _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:18:12 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Hey Joe! Where you goin' with that free CD in your hand... Shite,Bob........that was my first inclination and changed at the last minute. ;-) I try to get into your head........wow,I was way off. Bree Rod,Downtown Train ><< Hi Bob here's my guess At Last, Both Sides now >...............................Joe Gomez >> > >A big "Whoo-Hoo" is in order for Joe! > >My song this month was "I Wish I Were In Love Again" from BSN. Joe was the >closest, so to the winner belongs the spoils! So get back to me Joe, before >this CD spoils! :~) > >And a BIG thanks to all of you who guessed, from all over the world. I'll >have another one ready to fly in February, so stay tuned. > >And if you didn't win, and would like a copy of the compilation (like Slim >Whitman, it's not available in stores), let me know. I even have a Paypal >account, so it can be yours with a few clicks of the mouse! > >Yours in Joni covers, >Bob _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:34:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Hey Joe! Where you goin' with that free CD in your hand... << that was my first inclination and changed at the last minute. >> Always go with that gut instinct, Bree... As for getting in my head - whoa, it's a scary place! :~D Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:28:42 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Simon & Garfunkel (NJC) In a message dated 1/11/2002 10:14:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > This is THE most amazing live recording I have ever experienced. I've made > a few copies for JMDL'ers who have just been completely knocked over by it. > And I must say....I am one of the "knocked over ones!! It is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:03:56 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Sherelle! NJC I got one too (thanks, Sherelle!) and this gal should be recording! Terry www.addconsults.com << Wow. I just got Sherelle's demo CD in the mail and it is fabulous! What a voice! I could listen to you for hours, Sherelle! Check this girl out, everybody! >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:20:21 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) I agree, MG. The vast majority of pranoid schizophrenics do not look at all like John Nash. They're living on streets eating garbage, filling up prison wards, or just pacing in the few after care settings left in this country. I worked for 6 years as a therapist to the severely mentally ill in the heart of Detroit. We came to realize quite quickly that one of our main goals was to keep people on their medicine. Once our patients stopped taking meds, we could predict nearly 100% of the time that they'd end up back in the state hospital. Many ended up in prison because they'd attempted to harm someone. I can't tell you how many times my life had been threatened by an untreated delusional patient. Contrary to what was written earlier about people being allowed to celebrate whatever type of reality they choose, allowing many schizophrenics to do this (read: being unmedicated), created a much worse scenario for them. They become terrified and act out their delusions to the point of killing themselves or others. You will never forget what it looks like to see sheer terror in the eyes of a pschotic person. And one can only imagine how it must feel. The sad part too, though, was how the side effects of many anti psychotic meds were nearly as troublesome as the mental illness. This was back in the late 70s, early 80s and though meds have improved greatly, there are still problems. The shuffling, the muscle spasms, drooling, sexual disfunctions and more- it's very sad. Schizophrenia is a chronic disabling disease. Few are "cured". So, though I did enjoy A Beautiful Mind and love Russell Crowe's acting, it did not show the average life of a person with that disease. But then again, Nash was not a typical sort of person, even without the illness. Terry www.addconsults.com << . I don't think that paranoid schizophrenics do quite as well as Nash did in that movie. In full bloom of their illness, they stink, they are mean and vicious, they have trouble holding down a job, paying bills, maintaining relationships, raising chidren; the whole shooting match. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:40:20 +0000 From: "Barbara L" Subject: NJC-John Kelly final weekend in NYC Hi all, this weekend (Saturday & Sunday) is John Kelly's final NYC perf. at http://www.feznyc.com. I'm going Sunday. Barbara Little _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: the missing T NJC ok, so I found anagrams for 'your noches liberation doll' and didn't realize until this morning that I left the 't' out of 'notches'. Oh well, it's still funny! Tyler the world's worst typist / Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:52:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) > Contrary to what was written earlier about people being allowed to celebrate > whatever type of reality they choose, 20 years ago at Uni, a renowned Sociolgist put forward this idea as well. He was a pratt! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: RORY BLOCK rocks! (NJC) Saw Rory Block at The Barns at Wolf Trap last night -- she was excellent! I've seen Rory's name here and there over the years but had never heard her voice (that I was aware), let alone attend a performance. If you dig the blues, go see her!!! Tour schedule here: http://www.roryblock.com/andex.htm (tonight she'll play in NC). Rory just released her 14th album, "I'm Every Woman," which features some Motown covers (apparently quite a departure for her). Mary and I bought the CD (and had it autographed, of course), and listened to it on the drive home. It's wonderful, esp. Al Green's "Tired of Being Alone," and Ashford & Simpson's "Ain't Nothin' Like the Real Thing" -- a duet with Keb' Mo'. A new Rory fan here ... (can ya tell?) Lori in MD ~ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:17:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: RORY BLOCK rocks! (NJC) << It's wonderful, esp. Al Green's "Tired of Being Alone," and Ashford & Simpson's "Ain't Nothin' Like the Real Thing" -- a duet with Keb' Mo'. >> That does sound nice, Lori. I checked her itinerary, and after NC she heads back North! Waaah! She could at least dip into SC to play our lottery - we just cranked it up this week. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 09:55:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: abebooks.com NJC Has anyone used abebooks.com to buy out of print books? Does anyone know anything about them? Are they reliable? Thanks, Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:38:55 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: ghosts and guitars (njc) We were sitting in the kitchen yesterday, eating lunch when all of the sudden, I heard a guitar resound fairly loudly, from the other room, as if someone had plucked the high e string. I went and looked at the guitar, which was sitting in its stand and saw nothing that could have obstructed it, except for a ladybug crawling around on the body. We were fairly certain then, that it must have been a ghost, as I have never heard of guitars playing themselves and ladybugs certainly don't have fingers that could pluck strings, and something so tiny could not have generated such a loud tone. I can't come up with any other explanation...it must have been a ghost. VictorStbP: Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Philadelphia...go Bucs!!! --- Johnson Victor--- waytoblu@mindspring.com--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:18:48 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Mingus (NJC) Just finished a wonderful biography of Charles Mingus Myself when I Am Real. Much more informative and entertaining than Charles' autobiography, Beneath the Underdog. Ends with the Joni work and Mingus' death. Did any tapes of the Electric Ladyland sessions that Joni did before retooling the sessions to the album we know as Mingus ever surface? Am now interested in listening to Mingus' stuff. Asked a jazz-knowledgeable person at a DC record shop. He recommended Mingus Ah Um and Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus. Anybody have any other suggestions? Fauchja NP Everest soundtrack (the music of G. Harrison) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:42:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni/Jimi/Jaco! Have you heard the boot where Morrison sits in with Hendrix Live and he is shitfaced drun? It is one of the worst things I have ever heard and you can almost taste Jimi's pain during the whole thing, but the band kept on for awhile. Paz on 1/11/02 12:39 AM, FredNow@aol.com at FredNow@aol.com wrote: > I can understand Joni's attraction to both these brilliant musicians, Jimi > and Jaco, who both stormed the scene, blowing everyone's mind, revolutionized > their respective instruments and music itself forever, and burned brightly > much too briefly. > > Jaco quoted Jimi's "Third Stone From the Sun" in just about every extended > solo he played. I am convinced that if they were both alive today, they would > be collaborating for sure. > > By the way, Jimi is a cornerstone of two other legendary musical meetings > that I've always drooled over: one with Jefferson Airplane, and one with > Miles Davis. In the case of the latter, a studio date was scheduled, but > Miles bailed for some reason. > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 01:36:18 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: ghosts and guitars (njc) Cheering for dem Bucs are you. Don't ley darling Nikki (from Philly) catch ya rooting for dem. Paz Me thinks it was a ghose too (or dupee's as we call dem in the islands) on 1/12/02 2:38 PM, Johnson Victor at waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: > We were sitting in the kitchen yesterday, eating lunch when all of the > sudden, I heard a guitar resound fairly loudly, from the other room, as > if someone had plucked the high e string. I went and looked at the > guitar, which was sitting in its stand and saw nothing that could have > obstructed it, except for a ladybug crawling around on the body. We were > fairly certain then, that it must have been a ghost, as I have never > heard of guitars playing themselves and ladybugs certainly don't have > fingers that could pluck strings, and something so tiny could not have > generated such a loud tone. I can't come up with any other > explanation...it must have been a ghost. VictorStbP: Tampa Bay > Buccaneers at Philadelphia...go Bucs!!! --- Johnson Victor--- > waytoblu@mindspring.com--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real > Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:28:52 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: ghosts and guitars (njc) > Me thinks it was a ghose too (or dupee's as we call dem in the islands) Happened with my old piano once, too! Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #23 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?