From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #22 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 12 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 022 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: January 11 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: January 11 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Mama & Joni - SJC [Susan Guzzi ] FW: Check out the film title VLJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: Your first Joni 2002 [Susan Guzzi ] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #20 [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Re: Joni/Jimi/Jaco! [FredNow@aol.com] leonard; bomp; joni [shane ] Pearl's pictures from Toronto [Jim ] larry's dance; larry's resume [shane ] Re: Randy Remote's Reply - NJC ["Tom Watson" ] joni one of metheny's fav guitarists [shane ] new pat tracks (njc) [shane ] Re: Feminist Reading (long) NJC [colin ] Re: Pearl's pictures from Toronto [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The HOSL mystery [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: (njc) continuing the George Clooney gossip... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: PLaying Joni in standard tuning [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: (njc) continuing the George Clooney gossip... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] "I want to free your husband" [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: "I want to free your husband" [cut ] Re: "I want to free your husband" [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: "I want to free your husband" njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Feminist Reading (long) NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Pearl's website ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: "I want to free your husband" [Catherine McKay ] Joni's "Middle Point" (painting from 1995) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Joni's "Middle Point" (painting from 1995) ["Kakki" ] Re: Jimi and Joni ["Kakki" ] NYC Bound (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Your noches liberation doll NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Your noches liberation doll NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Randy Remote's Reply - NJC [Randy Remote ] Re: Simon & Garfunkel (NJC) [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:11:35 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: January 11 On January 11 the following article was published: 1969: "Wild and Soft is Joni Mitchell" - Weekend Magazine (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690111wm.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:11:35 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: January 11 On January 11 in Joni Mitchell History: 1986: The single "Good Friends" peaks at #85 on the US charts - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database at http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Mama & Joni - SJC Nuriel wrote: I think that deep down inside their souls our mothers wish they had Joni's freedom and lust. Catherine wrote: I don't think my mother bothered to find out anything about Joni I think you are both correct or on the right track. Mothers, more so of that era, are jealous of the freedoms socially & sexually of their children - especially their daughters. I think it breeds much of their bitterness. I don't believe it was Joni's freedom or lust that Mothers were envious of, because I don't think our Mothers (per Catherine) ever bothered to to really explore Joni. But this woman (Joni) was taking their daughters or their sons away from them. And they (the children) were beginning to discover their own freedom and lust - sexuality. Someone else was now that childs idol, someone else was now up on that pedastel. My mother did this with every new thing I brought to her - and still does to this day. She tears it down and dismisses it. They forget that while they were living their chosen life, there was a whole world going on without them. Okay now that I'm really into this analysis of Joni, Mothers and Me or From the Apron Strings to the Guitar Strings, please let me go on... and on and on ... Susan it's medication time! Bottom line I think our mothers at least Catherine, Nuriel began to feel replaced and Joni was just in their line of fire ... and Dolores hated her shrilling voice! Peace Susan Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:14:54 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: FW: Check out the film title VLJC This, from a film buff friend of mine.... Les (London) Nicole Kidman to play English and French Queen Nicole Kidman looks set to play Queen Eleanor of Aquitaine in a new film. Court And Spark will be about Eleanor, who in the 12th century became queen of both France and England. She became Queen of France through a marriage to King Louis VII. She then had an affair with Henry Plantagenet, the Duke of Normandy, who would become king of England. Eleanor got the Pope to annul her marriage, and she soon became Queen of England. The film's scriptwriter, Alan Howard, told www.variety.com: "Eleanor had the civilising influence of Jacqueline Kennedy and the political skills of Eleanor Roosevelt and Margaret Thatcher. "The movie will use this passionate and explosive love story of Eleanor and Henry to focus on her extraordinary life," he said. Story filed: 10:57 Thursday 10th January 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Your first Joni 2002 I hadn't realized until last night that I was Joniless so far in 2002. For Christmas I received 2 Joni CD which were replacements for tape or vinyl. Yet another Blue, after 2or 3 on vinyl and 2 on tape - it was time for CD. And I also received Ladies of the Canyon having had only one vinyl and one tape. As I sat down at the Mac (did you hear that Paz) yes a Mac, to write down my job search history for my unemployment report, I hit the remote for my stereo and out sprung "Morning Morgantown." I remembered putting them in the CD player but not playing them since Christmas. And that beautiful thing happened, I suddenly fell for a song that wasn't always one of my obvious faves. But as soon as the first piano keys twinkled I went limp for "Blue Boy." Especially that one part where Joni's voice kind of crackles (She wakes up and goes to the window ...). The song has been playing in my head for over 24 hours now - I love when I find a new love among so many in Joni's collection. That was my first for 2002. Peace Susan Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:37:34 EST From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #20 In a message dated 1/10/02 11:17:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:13:40 EST > From: Jennymac48@aol.com > Subject: Pearl's website > > Again I plead, is there anyone out there who knows the web address of Pearl' > s > that has Joni photos posted on it from Toronto? Pearl? Anyone?Anyone? > Bueller? > Love > JennyMac > Hi JennyMac, I don't have any of the photos on a personal website. Jim at JoniMitchell.com will be displaying the photos when he writes more about the Joni Tribute in Toronto. I'm not sure what his delay is. Mags saw them when we were in Toronto together. Maybe that's why she thinks they're on the site. I can possibly send you a few since they are digital. I'll be busy tomorrow but I'll do it as soon as I can. Thanks for your interest. Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:39:32 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni/Jimi/Jaco! I can understand Joni's attraction to both these brilliant musicians, Jimi and Jaco, who both stormed the scene, blowing everyone's mind, revolutionized their respective instruments and music itself forever, and burned brightly much too briefly. Jaco quoted Jimi's "Third Stone From the Sun" in just about every extended solo he played. I am convinced that if they were both alive today, they would be collaborating for sure. By the way, Jimi is a cornerstone of two other legendary musical meetings that I've always drooled over: one with Jefferson Airplane, and one with Miles Davis. In the case of the latter, a studio date was scheduled, but Miles bailed for some reason. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:36:03 -0700 From: shane Subject: leonard; bomp; joni yar velcum ms kate, imagine how those same leonard's anthemn words, "ring the bells that still can ring forget your perfect offering there is a crack, a crack in everything .....that's how the light get's in..." felt comfort when i found out that my 'trappist monk journey' was over... i was leaving the monastery when i heard the words...labelled as a romantic lover of women, i was consoled by one... part two: check out a very inta...vesting site called the "bomp bookshelf." here you can see fine listings of every book ever written in the history of contemporary music.... look for the joni listings and you'll see 'just right' reviews on the foibles of joni chroniclers... and interesting books on the lives, recipes, and vices of just about anyone http://www.bomp.com/Bompbooks.html ...don't ask me how i surfed there... i was made to surf....california here i come... malibu shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:07:56 -0800 From: Jim Subject: Pearl's pictures from Toronto Don't have the last part of the Hommage story finished (it's a LOT of writing and typing) so there's nothing linked to the site yet, but I've put up a little preview page with some of Pearl's pictures of Joni from Toronto if you'd like to have a look -- I shouldn't let my digests get so far behind, I didn't know anyone was looking for them! Go to . jj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:26:48 -0700 From: shane Subject: larry's dance; larry's resume larry klein, dancin' like he's playing bass at the same time, in the movie sugartown: http://www.ifmagazine.com/common/enlarged-art.asp?ArticleID=363&count=2&image=7-100-363-2LG.jpg&issue=7 larry's resume: http://www.worldsend.com/bios/klein.html see his joni credits therein... what a resume! sm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:31:23 +1100 From: "Tom Watson" Subject: Re: Randy Remote's Reply - NJC Hi all Thanks for the warm welcomes. As for "how do they know EMP has this tape?" I can't say. Only reposting other peoples words as they were printed in the article. I will try to track down the author and see what I can find out. I think I must clarify a point though. EMP is not the Hendrix family. It was Paul Allen's baby as I understand it. Relations are a bit strained these days between EMP (Paul Allen) and Experience Hendrix (Hendrix Family). My understanding is that Paul Allen bankrolled the Hendrix family in their attempts to regain control of Jimi's work in the courts but was shunned by the family when this occurred. This is correct from memory, but I will have to check my facts and repost if in error. Regards Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:53:32 -0700 From: shane Subject: joni one of metheny's fav guitarists pat metheny also has an interactive link with his fans. on one page he comments a bit on joni, and lists her as one of his top list of favourite guitarists: http://www.patmethenygroup.com/pmg/qa/questionSelectKeyword.cfm shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:06:40 -0700 From: shane Subject: new pat tracks (njc) "speaking of now", the new pat metheny group album, is to be released in february, after a 5 year hiatus; you can hear 3 of the tracks at the following site: http://i-qube.co.kr/pmg/discography/discoframe.html enjoy, shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Feminist Reading (long) NJC > One thing I don't understand is why there is so little writing on violence > against women and children from the feminist movement. For example, rape is > not given much attention (there are few books about it) and neither is child > abuse. I don't get it. I cannot answer your question. However, the abuse of children is not just committed by men. In fact the vast majroity of very young children that are abused are abused by women, usually their mothers. This is a very uncomfortable fact, and one which I imagine is not going to grabbed at my feminist writers. The sexual abuse of children is also committted by women as well as men. It is very easy when one has been abused most severely by a man, to forget about the women who abused too. Certainly both my parents were equally abusive, it just that father was the stronger and more frightening. That does not let mother off the hook tho.(and no mother was not at all firghtened of father-once when she thought she better stop him strangling me, she almost got hit by him and she flew at him in a rage and mad it quite clear that she would not tolerate that. ' you can beat the shit of my children, but you don't touch me' is what I knew she wsaying. At that young age, i knew i was sunk.) Anyhow, both men and women abuse children, they just do it in deifferent ways. Both men and women sexually abuse children. Unfortunately, those sexually abused by women have a harder time in therapy etc because of the unwillingness of people to see women as abusers. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:26:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pearl's pictures from Toronto Thank you Jim, thanks Pearl :~) The foto of Joni at the piano, just beautiful! love,rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:14:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The HOSL mystery Thank you, Bob, for sending the quote. What i find intriguing about it is: Joni writes: "The whole unfolded like a mystery. It is not my intention to unravel that mystery for anyone, but rather to offer some additional clues". As i see it Joni's HOSL riddle has an answer. Otherwise she wouldn't have given the clues. This quote makes it clear that the mystery here is not an abstract one. It's a logical riddle that can be solved. The clues: (Bob, am i wrong to think that there was more written on the inner sleeve "clue list"?:)) - "Centerpiece" is a Johnny Mandel - Jon Hendricks tune. John Guerin and I collaborated on "The Hissing of Summer Lawns". "The Boho Dance" is a Tom Wolfe-ism from the book "The Painted Word". The poem, "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" was born around 4 A.M. in a New York loft. Larry Poons seeded it and Bobby Neuwirth was midwife here, but the child filtered thru Genesis at Jackfish Lake, Saskatchewan, is rebellious and mystical and insists that its conception was immaculate." What are this clues trying to tell us? They seem like "normal notes" given by an artist - what makes them clues for solving the HOSL mystery? I hope the "S. Holmes" in you can solve this case. I find it very interesting. Love, Nuriel I wrote: "She speaks of HOSL as a mystery, a riddle that she leaves to the listner to solve" Bob wrote: "Here's what the liner notes say: "This is a total work conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally - as a whole. The performances were guided by the given compositional structures and the audibly inspired beauty of every player. The whole unfolded like a mystery. It is not my intention to unravel that mystery for anyone, but rather to offer some additional clues: "Centerpiece" is a Johnny Mandel - Jon Hendricks tune. John Guerin and I collaborated on "The Hissing of Summer Lawns". "The Boho Dance" is a Tom Wolfe-ism from the book "The Painted Word". The poem, "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" was born around 4 A.M. in a New York loft. Larry Poons seeded it and Bobby Neuwirth was midwife here, but the child filtered thru Genesis at Jackfish Lake, Saskatchewan, is rebellious and mystical and insists that its conception was immaculate." _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:27:45 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) continuing the George Clooney gossip... >I asked my friend, who's working on his make-up in the film being made up >in >Montreal, and (you could almost hear the Gallic shrug over the phone -- >Stephan is French Canadian) he said "Who knows? When we all came back from >the holiday break, Gearge gave me (and everyone else) a big hug and said >"Happy New Year"! > >[Sound of Walt falling off his desk chair] umph. Excuse me. Some people >have all the luck. All reports of George Clooney is that he's a >sweetheart, >easy to work with, serious about his work (as Bree mentioned) but *not* >serious about himself. > >:-) Walt Putting his nice looks aside,that is the very reason I like him because he doesn't take HIMSELF so dang serious. His parents, Nick and Nina Clooney are very down-to-earth......like old shoes. (His mother won Miss Kentucky back in the early 50's.......she's quite attractive still) Has your friend.. the make-up artist.. ever done Mr.Crowe? Bree _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 06:27:47 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) continuing the George Clooney gossip... >I asked my friend, who's working on his make-up in the film being made up >in >Montreal, and (you could almost hear the Gallic shrug over the phone -- >Stephan is French Canadian) he said "Who knows? When we all came back from >the holiday break, Gearge gave me (and everyone else) a big hug and said >"Happy New Year"! > >[Sound of Walt falling off his desk chair] umph. Excuse me. Some people >have all the luck. All reports of George Clooney is that he's a >sweetheart, >easy to work with, serious about his work (as Bree mentioned) but *not* >serious about himself. > >:-) Walt Putting his nice looks aside,that is the very reason I like him because he doesn't take HIMSELF so dang serious. His parents, Nick and Nina Clooney are very down-to-earth......like old shoes. (His mother won Miss Kentucky back in the early 50's.......she's quite attractive still) Has your friend.. the make-up artist.. ever done Mr.Crowe? Bree _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:51:29 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Simon & Garfunkel (NJC) Kakki wrote: >Received many amazing ones from JMDLer friends this year particularly... >Simon & Garfunkel Live at the Hollywood Bowl August 1968 (INCREDIBLE) Amen to that! Why oh why was this (or a similar live set) never released commercially? (Although I'm still trying to hear my 19-year-old voice yelling from the 355th row...) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:53:53 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) >I don't know this author but the statement made me wonder if her celebrity >status & financial success is what has contributed to her not being >respected in academic circles where there can be tremendous ego trips going >on... > > >>And though she certainly is not terribly respected in most academic >circles, she has >developed quite the lucrative celebrity intellectual career. I guarantee >she makes much more money than most in feminist/LGBT movements or the ivory >tower, with large speaking fees, etc.<< I think the reason she has been dismissed by academia as a light-weight is pure and simple:She dared to stray from their stringent party-line. Granted,she delivers with humour and she doesn't take herself so serious. She was on the dais several years ago with Molly,Gloria..Kate Michelson (sp) and they pretty much ignored her and she has been ostracized ever since. Quoting Paglia:"Let the cat fights begin!" Meow..... (I think what really got her on the "outs" was her pointing out the hypocrisy of some of the leadership in the movement concerning their stances during the Clinton era) (sticking by Clinton,no matter what..... because he is so radically pro-abortion) Bree >******************************************** >Kate Bennett >www.katebennett.com >sponsored by Polysonics >Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: >http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html >******************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:00:45 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Sherelle! NJC Wow. I just got Sherelle's demo CD in the mail and it is fabulous! What a voice! I could listen to you for hours, Sherelle! Check this girl out, everybody! Marian Vienna NP: Do What You Love - Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:14:45 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: FW: Database test - -----Original Message----- From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com [mailto:AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:03 PM To: djb@binkleybarfield.com Subject: Re: Database test In a message dated 1/10/2002 10:23:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: I should probably post this, but just yesterday i heard CSN's Long Time Coming on the radio and got a flash of that night in your living room with Paz, Victor and Marcel doing that and other CSN songs that sent chills. I got all teary in the car from the memory of it. Yeah.......post it. It will bring back memories to lots of other people too! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:33:16 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Re: PLaying Joni in standard tuning ...chiming in a little late on this topic.... I tend to play most (if not all) my Joni renditions in standard tuning, working them out usually by taking the chord name as it is written (rather than the fingering shapes as they are illustrated in the books) to 'build' the chord up. I'm finding increasingly that she uses a lot of 9ths and 'suspended' notes - forgive my terminology, I'm not at all educated in this subject - on fairly basic chords and, so long as you don't try full strumming, can capture a fairly honest representation of the original. You can even get some 'ringing' open strings to add to the flavour. Just last night I was working on Passion Play in 'standard' and am, so far, really pleased with the sounds I'm making........ ....but when all is said and done, standard tuning will never match the open tunings with Joni's songs. It can't really hope to but trying appeals to my Calvinist/hair-shirt sensibilities....LOL. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:25:15 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) continuing the George Clooney gossip... In a message dated 1/11/02 6:28:00 AM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: << Has your friend.. the make-up artist.. ever done Mr.Crowe? >> I assume you mean makeup. Ahem. I'll ask him. - -- (giggling now) Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:02:08 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: "I want to free your husband" Hi everyone, Married women of JMDL - what would you do if your husband had an affair with Joni?:) Love, Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:09:23 -0800 From: cut Subject: Re: "I want to free your husband" I would not be able to stop laughing. Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Married women of JMDL - what would you do if your husband had an affair with Joni?:) > > Love, > Nuri > > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! > Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:13:14 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: "I want to free your husband" LOL! - --- cut wrote: >I would not be able to stop laughing. > >Nuriel Tobias wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Married women of JMDL - what would you do if your husband had an affair with Joni?:) >> >> Love, >> Nuri >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! >> Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:22:59 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "I want to free your husband" njc Reminds me of the classic I Love Lucy scene: Lucy: You'd be singing a different tune if another woman was trying to take your husband away. Ethel. Yeah, Happy Days Are Here Again. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:06:53 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: "I want to free your husband" cut wrote: "I would not be able to stop laughing." Catherine - go to the kitchen and check out the apples and cheeses you bought this week - it's still there? Start laughing.:) A jewish mother would probably tell you "At least she's giving him some vitamins and calcium. All he gets from you is your JMDL and those damn Joni Mitchell songs - no wonder he's having an affair with another woman. SHE comforts him sometimes.":) Nuri >Nuriel Tobias wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Married women of JMDL - what would you do if your husband had an affair with Joni?:) >> >> Love, >> Nuri >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! >> Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:43:54 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Feminist Reading (long) NJC Mary wrote: <> I thought this might be of interest to you, Mary. You might want to check out www.womensenes.com for more on this subject. - -Julius Allison Anders, Filmmaker (WOMENSENEWS)--For her breakthrough movie for the Showtime Network, Allison Anders filmed a graphic rape of an pre-teen girl and for the first time was able to put to rest her own violation. At the same time, in "Things Behind the Sun," filmed in the same Florida town where she was raped, Anders provides a rare and vivid portrayal of how a single act of sexual violence can maim and twist a victim's--and even a witness's-- inner workings. "I had dealt with my childhood rape in therapy, through acting out sexually, through self-medication, through spiritual work, by talking about it, by making public confessions, by every means possible, but I was still in a dark place," she recalls. Somehow, by reliving her rape through creating a fictional version of it, she has now been able to move on, she says, putting the event behind her. Anders' previous films had been released to art houses and garnered her a MacArthur "genius" award in 1997, but this film she wanted to reach the widest possible audience. Her unflinching portrayal of sexual violence that debuted this fall shone a bright light on the dark place for all to see her pain and by inference the suffering of thousands of rape victims. It also produced a prize Anders did not expect: She was embraced by Generation Five, a new organization committed to ending child sexual abuse in five generations. In her teens, Anders fled her life with the stepfather who had raped her and her life in a succession of foster homes, to hitchhike across the country. She even managed to get to England. She was sustained by women of pop music such as Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane and Joni Mitchell. Before the Showtime feature, Anders had made five well-received five films, most of them with strong women characters: "Gas, Food, Lodging," reflecting her own experience as a single mother; "Mi Vida Loca," (My Crazy Life) focusing on girl gangs in Southern California and a series of films set in the world of popular music. She mentors young women filmmakers who approach her and parents her two daughters in their 20s, Tiffany, pursuing a music career, and Devon, a childcare worker, as well as an 11-year-old son, Ruben, whom she adopted after the filming of "Mi Vida Loca." "One of the girls died when I was still filming, and her home girls talked me into taking her kid," she explains. "I've learned a lot about men," she says with a laugh. "You know what he said to me last week? I made some generalization about men, and he was like 'Oh, Mom, that's so sexist!'" Allison Anders, Filmmaker (WOMENSENEWS)--For her breakthrough movie for the Showtime Network, Allison Anders filmed a graphic rape of an pre-teen girl and for the first time was able to put to rest her own violation. At the same time, in "Things Behind the Sun," filmed in the same Florida town where she was raped, Anders provides a rare and vivid portrayal of how a single act of sexual violence can maim and twist a victim's--and even a witness's-- inner workings. "I had dealt with my childhood rape in therapy, through acting out sexually, through self-medication, through spiritual work, by talking about it, by making public confessions, by every means possible, but I was still in a dark place," she recalls. Somehow, by reliving her rape through creating a fictional version of it, she has now been able to move on, she says, putting the event behind her. Anders' previous films had been released to art houses and garnered her a MacArthur "genius" award in 1997, but this film she wanted to reach the widest possible audience. Her unflinching portrayal of sexual violence that debuted this fall shone a bright light on the dark place for all to see her pain and by inference the suffering of thousands of rape victims. It also produced a prize Anders did not expect: She was embraced by Generation Five, a new organization committed to ending child sexual abuse in five generations. In her teens, Anders fled her life with the stepfather who had raped her and her life in a succession of foster homes, to hitchhike across the country. She even managed to get to England. She was sustained by women of pop music such as Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane and Joni Mitchell. Before the Showtime feature, Anders had made five well-received five films, most of them with strong women characters: "Gas, Food, Lodging," reflecting her own experience as a single mother; "Mi Vida Loca," (My Crazy Life) focusing on girl gangs in Southern California and a series of films set in the world of popular music. She mentors young women filmmakers who approach her and parents her two daughters in their 20s, Tiffany, pursuing a music career, and Devon, a childcare worker, as well as an 11-year-old son, Ruben, whom she adopted after the filming of "Mi Vida Loca." "One of the girls died when I was still filming, and her home girls talked me into taking her kid," she explains. "I've learned a lot about men," she says with a laugh. "You know what he said to me last week? I made some generalization about men, and he was like 'Oh, Mom, that's so sexist!'" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:03:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Pearl's website Jenny, Pearl's pictures are on JJ's site. There's an ancient expression that goes, "Give a joni-lister a URL, and you'll entertain her for an hour. But if you TEACH a joni-lister to navigate the web sites, you'll entertain her for a lifetime." With that in mind, I went to Jim Johanson's www.jonimitchell.com and looked at the recent events area. He's wisely located it just inside the "front door" of the site. I scrolled down to the first link about Toronto but it didn't have Pearl's pictures. I used the button on my browser to return to the area about recent events. (At one time it was labeled "The Word", I think.) I scrolled past the original link to an older link concerning Toronto. In the paragraphed labeled "10/29/01" is a paragraph that describes the Toronto events. The link is labeled READ "OUR DINNER WITH JONI" STORY . My advice is to go through these steps as a useful exercise to "learn to fish" so to speak. On JJ's site and Les Irvin's www.jmdl.com , you'll find tons of great stuff. A large percentage of JJ's site in particular is best found by poking around because the left hand pane with headings is sketchy and is definitely not all inclusive. Oh, and by the way, the URL is: www.jonimitchell.com/Hommage/ReceptionAndBanquet.html Enjoy. Share the love. Lama, checking in from Joni-Only digest and loving it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:11:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "I want to free your husband" omigod, Catherine! I was going to respond the very same way, but realized - I'm not married any more, so I really shouldn't be answering the question (but I'd laff my ass off anyway!) (Maybe it's a Catherine thing.) - --- cut wrote: > I would not be able to stop laughing. > > Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Married women of JMDL - what would you do if your > husband had an affair with Joni?:) > > > > Love, > > Nuri > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, > weather and MORE! > > Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sherelle! NJC - --- M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > Wow. I just got Sherelle's demo CD in the mail and > it is fabulous! What a > voice! I could listen to you for hours, Sherelle! > > Check this girl out, everybody! > > Marian > Vienna > > NP: Do What You Love - Sherelle Sherelle sent me a tape not too long ago and I can attest to the fact that this woman needs to be listened to. She has an amazing voice. ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:57:57 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Joni's "Middle Point" (painting from 1995) Hi gang, I got the book "Joni Mitchell: Voices" with the paintingas from the mendel exhibit, and i have a quickm hopefully not stupid question: You know the painting "Middle Point" with the words "idle", Idyl", "idal" and "idol" on the frame:? Are these words painted on the frame, or is the frame actually *part* of the painting, i.e., is a trompe l'oieul (sp?) of some kind? Thanks, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:12:34 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's "Middle Point" (painting from 1995) Hi Walt, They are painted around the frame. I saw that painting when she exhibited here in L.A. in '99. The painting was surprisingly smaller than I'd imagined. She discusses her framemaker and, I believe, that frame in her KCSN interview which can be found in the JMDL article sites. She said her framemaker just hated her doing that but she has her own vision ;-) Also on the Joni Mitchell.com site there is a section about her exhibit in London in around 1990 where it shows some other fabulous paintings and the same frame treatment on them. Kakki > You know the painting "Middle Point" with the words "idle", Idyl", "idal" and > "idol" on the frame:? Are these words painted on the frame, or is the frame > actually *part* of the painting, i.e., is a trompe l'oieul (sp?) of some kind? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:20:55 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Simon & Garfunkel (NJC) Ach Steve, I can't believe it - you really have been to every incredible concert ever held in California!! This is THE most amazing live recording I have ever experienced. I've made a few copies for JMDL'ers who have just been completely knocked over by it. My copy contains 23 songs - each of which is the best rendition I have ever heard by S&G - unbelievable magical perfection. I cannot imagine what it must have been like to have been there. By the way, the cover art shows the logo "VigOtone" and "All Rights Reserved" as if it was a somewhat legitimate release. Thanks a million to Scott Price for tracking this one down for me. Kakki > >Received many amazing ones from JMDLer friends this year particularly... > >Simon & Garfunkel Live at the Hollywood Bowl August 1968 (INCREDIBLE) > > Amen to that! Why oh why was this (or a similar live set) never > released commercially? > > (Although I'm still trying to hear my 19-year-old voice yelling > from the 355th row...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:27:06 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jimi and Joni Welcome Tom, I really loved reading your information about the lost holy grail Jimi and Joni tape. It is a subject that has intrigued us here for a long time. It was so cool to read that Joni is also intrigued about it. She is quite mad about Jimi and has mentioned his genius in interviews many times. I happened to run into her at a restaurant a few months back and while she (as is her usual way) tended to dismiss most everyone in current music, she reaffirmed that Jimi was one of the only artists of the century who was original. When she exhibited some paintings here in Hollywood in 1999 I went back three times to look at them. On my second visit I caught one small painting hidden away which I'd missed the first time on opening night. It was Jimi high up on a cloud with a dark blue sky background. He was dressed like and angel, wings and all and in his famous pose before the flaming.guitar. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:31:37 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: NYC Bound (NJC) Too early to pack my bags but never too early to plan. I'm going to be in the NYC/NJ/Phillie area from January 31 to February 11th. Although I'm beholden to Mom and her maternal need to set me for life in large, white cotton underwear, I'll be free for some portion of the time. After all, how long can we spend bonding over the dura-plus elastic band? If anyone is interested, please email me and we can take it from there. Best, MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Your noches liberation doll NJC "Your noches liberation doll" seems to be the most hotly debated bit of Joni lyric. No one really seems to know what it means, everyone has a theory, who knows who is right? Then it hit me-it could be an anagram! Maybe Joni was hiding a message in an obscure lyric passage. I found an anagram website, and entered 'your noches liberation doll'. I got back MANY entries. Here are some of my favorites: Abhorrently delicious loon Heinously bold correlation Odorously intolerable inch Blearily or uncool hedonist. To lousy, honored brilliance. Loony, dishonorable, cruel it. Continually bloodier horse. No! noble, delicious harlotry. Horridly absolute, nice loon. Horribly tooled on lunacies. Cool heroin urinates boldly. I, coitally horrendous noble. Bloody Hell! a cretinous iron. Loony-bin or allied touchers. Bloodily not raunchier lose. Tiny, dishonorable, cruel loo. Absolutely horrid, nice loon. This burly, loonie canoodler. Reliably or uncool hedonist. Boo! heinously clitoral nerd. Bloody Hell! nuisance or riot. Rehoused clitoral loony-bin. Odiously nobler, nice harlot. Oily, rich, absolute Londoner. Sod! looney, horrible lunatic. An elite, burly, cool dishonor. O Hell! notoriously nice drab. Horrible loons lout cyanide. Shoot! loony, rude brilliance. Hello! rabid, cretinous loony. And, perhaps the most appropriate amagram in this entire exersise: Blearily dishonor cool tune. Love Ya! Tyler Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:25:22 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Your noches liberation doll NJC tahewett wrote: << I found an anagram website, and entered 'your noches liberation doll'. I got back MANY entries. Here are some of my favorites: (snip) Odorously intolerable inch >> I think you may be on to something here, Tyler! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:37:18 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Randy Remote's Reply - NJC Tom Watson wrote: > I > think I must clarify a point though. EMP is not the Hendrix family. You're right, I got the Experience Music Project (Seattle museum, etc) confused with Experience Hendrix (Hendrix family's co. for Jimi's music management). Thanks for bringing up this foggy, fascinating encounter between JH & JM...any information about it is indeed welcome. Kakki wrote: When she exhibited some paintings here in Hollywood in 1999 I went back three times to look at them. On my second visit I caught one small painting hidden away which I'd missed the first time on opening night. It was Jimi high up on a cloud with a dark blue sky background. He was dressed like and angel, wings and all and in his famous pose before the flaming.guitar. I would love to see that one...Has it ever been reproduced? RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:44:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Simon & Garfunkel (NJC) Kakki wrote: > This is THE most amazing live recording I have ever experienced. I've made > a few copies for JMDL'ers who have just been completely knocked over by it. > My copy contains 23 songs - each of which is the best rendition I have ever > heard by S&G - unbelievable magical perfection. I cannot imagine what it > must have been like to have been there. By the way, the cover art shows the > logo "VigOtone" and "All Rights Reserved" Vigotone is a bootleg label. They have put out alot of Beatles boots. The "All Rights Reserved" thing is a joke-or maybe to fool the duplication plant-it appears often on bootlegs. The first S&G box set,"Old Friends", had some real nice live stuff on it, too, including a version of Simon's "Red Rubber Ball" (recorded by The Cyrkle (sp?) ). RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #22 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?