From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #20 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 020 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni & Jimi - Rather long ["Tom Watson" ] Bush Fires (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Joni & Jimi - Rather long [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) [M.Russell@iaea.] PLaying Joni in standard tuning ["Laurent Olszer" ] Pearl's website [Jennymac48@aol.com] RE: PLaying Joni in standard tuning [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Pearl's website [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Now Mayberry RFD and NJC! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) [Mags N Brei ] ama njc [YORK48CAD@aol.com] AMA njc [YORK48CAD@aol.com] AMA njc [YORK48CAD@aol.com] Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: PLaying Joni in standard tuning ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Joni & Jimi - Rather long [Les Irvin ] Re: Joni & Jimi - Rather long [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Mama & Joni ["Nuriel Tobias" ] Re-Larry+Jackson ["Nuriel Tobias" ] Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [Lori in MD ] standard tuning, chords njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2002 #18 ["Kate Bennett" ] leonard's online chat ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: a heart like mary's/notches [FredNow@aol.com] Re: leonard's online chat [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: a heart like mary's/notches [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni & Jimi - (and now Mingus, too) [JRMCo1@aol.com] RE: leonard's online chat ["Kate Bennett" ] wayward sons from the isle of wight njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Feminist Reading (long) NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: top ten of 2001 - njc [FredNow@aol.com] This JUST in (NJC) [Michael Paz ] conference about music njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: AMA njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Re-Larry+Jackson [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:08:55 +1100 From: "Tom Watson" Subject: Joni & Jimi - Rather long Hi all Whilst still relatively new to this list, I wondered and discussed with Bob whether there had been much discussion on the 1968 meeting between Jimi Hendrix and Joni. Having been a long time fanatic of all things Hendrix, I wondered if somehow Joni's view of their meeting was ever discussed or portrayed here. Everything I've ever heard on the subject has been from the Jimi perspective. I have edited an article that was posted to the Hendrix list that was said to have come from the Ottawa Citizen. BTW, sorry if this is old news. When this article was posted on a Jimi Hendrix mailing list, one of the subscribers had this to say: "I told Joni about that newspaper article that was reprinted yesterday. (The one about Jimi's first meeting with Joni and how he taped her coffeehouse set and how Paul Allen now has the tape.) Joni knew that Jimi had taped the show (he asked her permission first). She thinks he was also taping their partying and jamming after the show. But this is the first news that the tape has been located. She would like to hear it. I imagine there aren't a lot of people that can get Paul Allen to take their phone calls, but I bet he'll take hers." In response to this post were numerous posts of people asking this person to tell Joni they loved her. Now the article. Oh what a night! March 19, 1968. Jimi and Joni Come Together The Ottawa Citizen Only Joni Mitchell knows what happened after she and Jimi Hendrix left the party in Vanier that long ago night. But maybe it's all just a purple haze. What a night that was. Jimi Hendrix arrived in Ottawa for two sold-out concerts at the Capital Theatre and Joni Mitchell was playing at L'Hibou on Sussex Drive. They stayed at the Chateau Laurier. Hendrix kept a diary when he was touring and, although the entries were often brief, the thoughts were clear, revealing and sensitive: "Beautiful hotel, Strange people, millions of girls " And Joni Mitchell, coincidentally in town the same night, was "a fantastic girl with heaven words." ...Hendrix took his own portable reel-to-reel recording equipment wherever he went. The Experience Music Project has more than 200 hours of tape he recorded on his travels. Somewhere among them is a recording of Joni Mitchell performing at L'Hibou. ....After his shows, and before the party, Hendrix arrived at L'Hibou coffee house. "He was crouched at the side of the stage," remembers Glatt. "He was wearing headphones and adjusting his tape recorder while he was recording Joni's show." The party, which raged into the early hours, was at the Motel Deville in Vanier, site of one of the city's first discos. Between the invited guests and hangers- on, there were about 30 people there. Veteran Ottawa musician Bill Hawkins was there. He sang one of his new songs for Hendrix and MitchelI while the three of them sat cross-legged in a corner of the party room. "It was a song called Scorpio," remembers Hawkins. "I wrote songs for every zodiac sign. Jimi asked me why and I told him it was a good way to pick up girls. I was trying desperately to hustle Joni and had been trying for years. That night she looked so radiant and was smiling a lot. She was always a little full of herself, but why not? "Anyway, Jimi thought this idea of the songs was really funny and he laughed out loud when I told him. He laughed even louder when I told him it wasn't working on Joni. He was a little tired that night but he said the gig had gone well. He was friendly, affectionate and bent over backwards to be nice to people. ...Glatt understands why Hendrix would write "strange people" in his diary that night. "There wasn't much going on in Ottawa in those days," he said. "It was just starting to evolve with an early rock and folk scene. We didn't have much in the way of restaurants and people weren't even allowed to stand up in a bar if they were drinking. The community was very cloistered and under exposed." Only Joni Mitchell knows what happened after she and Hendrix left the party. In the morning, he kissed her goodbye and headed to northern New York, another concert, another party and more girls. And here, the old cliche "the rest is history" can never be more appropriate. Jimi Hendrix would have been 56 years old next month (Nov. 27). He died in London of an apparent accidental drug overdose on Sept. 18, 1970, during his third European tour. Joni Mitchell, in town next Friday to perform with Sixties icon Bob Dylan, met Jimi Hendrix after he performed in Ottawa 31 years ago. Chris Cobb pieces together the story of that night. Hendrix, then 25, and 24-year-old Joni partied together after his concert at a motel in Vanier. They parted the next morning with a kiss. ...Excerpt From Jimi Hendrix Diary March 19 Arrived in Ottawa. Beautiful hotel. Strange people, Beautiful dinner. Talks with Joni Mitchell on the phone. I think I'll record her tonight with my excellent tape recorder (knock on wood). Hmmm, can't find any wood everything's plastic. Beautiful view. Marvelous sound on first show. Good on second. Good recording. Went down to little club to see Joni, fantastic girl with heaven words. We all got to party. OK, millions of girls. Listen to tape and smoked up at hotel. March 20 We left Ottawa City today. I kissed Joni goodbye, slept in the car awhile. Stopped at a highway diner. The real thing. I mean a real one just like in the movies. Mitch and I discuss our plans for movie. Slight disagreement here and there but it will soon be straighten out. Went to a very bad, bad, bad tasting restaurant. Thugs follow us. They probably was scared, couldn't figure us out. Me with my Indian hat and Mexican moustache, Mitch with his fairy tale jacket and Noel with his leopard band hat and accent. G'nite all. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:23:30 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Bush Fires (NJC) I, too, am pleased to hear that you are yours are just about OK (if a little smoked!), John. On the news here in the UK they have reported that the fires are the work of young teenage arsonists! And that more kids had been out stoking the flames since the original outbreak. What on earth is that all about? Take care PaulC PS I imagine you've heard about the forthcoming 35th Anniversary 4-CD Box Set 'Fairport Unconventional'. If not, details should be up at www.free-reed.co.uk soon. Also, I recently heard about a video of Sandy Denny live footage called "It All Comes Round Again" (VHS PAL only) from http://www.musikfolk.com ) - not seen it myself, but sounds interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:49:50 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) >>This Bridge Called My Back: Writings by Radical Women of Color edited by Cherrme Moraga and Gloria Anzaldza (this is a GREAT book)<< It's actually edited by Cherrie Moraga and Gloria Anzaldua (accents omitted), but yes, it is a great book, as is Anzaldua's 'Making Faces, Making Soul / Haciendo Caras'. It is subtitled 'Creative and Critical Perspectives by Feminists of Color'. Her 'Borderland / La Frontera' is wonderful too. Strong lesbian presence (I won't say bias) in all three books, and the chicana / tejana perspective is very clear too. Mike in bcn NP Manu Chao 'Clandestino' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:00:57 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jimi - Rather long In a message dated 1/10/02 4:23:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, watsontr@hotmail.com writes: > Joni > knew that Jimi had taped the show (he asked her permission first). She > thinks he was also taping their partying and jamming after the show. But > this is the first news that the tape has been located. She would like to > hear it. I imagine there aren't a lot of people that can get Paul Allen to > take their phone calls, but I bet he'll take hers." > Hi Watson! welcome to the list and thanks for this article. Has this recording ever surfaced as a bootleg? Anyone know? rose in nj love Hendrix ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:12:38 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) I was wrong. The notes of standard tuning can be arranged into chords. There's this really cool link where you can find chord shapes in any tuning and chord names for any chords: http://guitar.to/ The chord name finder there gives these possibilities for EADGBE (standard tuning) D9 sus4 6th Em 11th G6/9 A11 Bm aug5 7th sus4 I don't think standard tuning sounds bad, but I have never seen a song where the open strings of standard tuning were used as one of the chords. My musical experience is rather limited, though. With all the music out there, I'm sure there must be more than a few songs where it is used. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:47:39 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: PLaying Joni in standard tuning Marian wrote: It is even possible (but would be very difficult for the average guitarist) to play Joni's songs > with her chords (not the chord shapes, but the tones of her chords) from > standard tuning - Dear Marian, Thanks for all the musical info. My 2 cents: when I first got the Hejira songbook I was a beginning guitarist. The songbook is all in standard tuning. By following the songbook I had no problem (even as a beginner) in playing Strange Boy, Blue Motel Room, Amelia. Some songs simply cannot be played in standard tuning, such as Black Crow. Some songs like Strange Boy sound better with the open tuning (from JMDL database) although they sound OK in standard tuning. I tried playing Amelia with the open tuning to see the difference but I gave up right away, I was too used in playing it in standard tuning. Does anybody PLEASE have the tuning (+ chords?) for the song: Dog Eat Dog? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:13:40 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Pearl's website Again I plead, is there anyone out there who knows the web address of Pearl's that has Joni photos posted on it from Toronto? Pearl? Anyone?Anyone? Bueller? Love JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:12:13 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: PLaying Joni in standard tuning On 10 January 2002 14:48, Laurent Olszer [SMTP:olszer@xlsecurity.com] wrote: > Marian wrote: > > > It is even possible (but would be very difficult for the average guitarist) > > to play Joni's songs > > > with her chords (not the chord shapes, but the tones of her chords) from > > > standard tuning - > My 2 cents: when I first got the Hejira songbook I was a beginning > guitarist. The songbook is all in standard tuning. By following the > songbook I had no problem (even as a beginner) in playing Strange > Boy, Blue Motel Room, Amelia. I have that songbook. I'll take a look at those songs and try out the chords they suggest, but I think I will be surprised if the chord shapes they give really sound like Joni's sounds. I think it is difficult for an average guitarist to get Joni's sounds from standard tuning. > Some songs simply cannot be played in standard tuning, such as > Black Crow. Probably the same is true for most of the early songs, too. The point I was trying to make is that I heard Gerald Gradwohl, an Austrian guitarist, play a set of Joni's songs on a guitar tuned to standard, and it sounded just like Joni's guitar - he managed to reproduce all the tones. He is, however, a very accomplished guitarist. After the show, I told him about the JMDL guitar site, and he later said he wished he had known about it before he started working on the tribute project, because it would have been a whole lot easier to play Joni's songs using her tunings and chord shapes. > Does anybody PLEASE have the tuning (+ chords?) for the song: Dog Eat Dog? Dog Eat Dog is one of Joni's piano songs, so to play it on guitar, you could go with standard tuning. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:56:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pearl's website Ooh, Jenny Mac, you know I can't resist you when you beg like that... I think this is what's being referred to as "Pearl's Page": 1. Go to JM.com 2. Click on Appearances 3. Scroll down and click on "GO TO JONI'S APPEARANCE CHRONOLOGY" 4. Click on "2001" 5. CLick on link, "Royal Alexandra Theatre" 6. Scroll to bottom of page and click "NEXT: PRE-HOMMAGE FESTIVITIES AT HARBOURFRONT" Should take you there. Bob NP: Joni, "Amelia", Paris 4/30/83 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 06:34:48 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Now Mayberry RFD and NJC! > Call me a cab. I'll leave. I promise. > > --Bob > Ok. You're a cab! You cab, you! Smurphee is a ca-ab, Smurphee is a ca-ab! Neener-neener-nee-ner! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) - --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>This Bridge Called My Back: Writings by Radical Women of Color > edited by > Cherrme Moraga and Gloria Anzaldza (this is a GREAT book)<< > It's actually edited by Cherrie Moraga and Gloria Anzaldua (accents > omitted), > but yes, it is a great book, as is Anzaldua's 'Making Faces, Making > Soul / > Haciendo Caras'. It is subtitled 'Creative and Critical Perspectives > by > Feminists of Color'. Her 'Borderland / La Frontera' is wonderful too. > Strong > lesbian presence (I won't say bias) in all three books, and the > chicana / > tejana perspective is very clear too. > Enjoying this thread very much...makes me realize how much I miss being in school. Another brilliant and moving read is Zami A New Spelling of My Name a biomythography by Audre Lorde. If you dont know who she is/was, Audre Lorde was a celebrated lesbian author, activist and poet. She died in 1992 after a 14 year struggle with breast cancer. She was a founder of Kitchen Table: Women of Color Press, a founding member of Sisterhood in Support of Sisters in South Africa, and she addressed the First National March for Lesbian & Gay Liberation in 1979 in Washington DC. Lorde was internationally recognized as a significant contributor to the struggle for Black, women's and lesbian and gay rights. During that year at York University, I saw the film A Litany for Survival, The Life and Work of Audre Lorde. Absolutely moved me to the core. I need to take a moment to clarify my comment about INternational films. I know that there is a lot of less than good filming coming out of Europe..and that there are good films out of Hollywood at times.I was just in that moment of remembering the sweetness and the emotion and how Ienjoyed the exotic-ness of watching films where I dont speak the language...oh hell, the more I try to explain, the further I dig into the hole. Nevermind. Mags ===== it's a miracle! Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:21:09 EST From: YORK48CAD@aol.com Subject: ama njc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:23:04 EST From: YORK48CAD@aol.com Subject: AMA njc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:27:47 EST From: YORK48CAD@aol.com Subject: AMA njc Well, it just goes to show how old I'm really getting. N'Sync over Dave Matthews Band!!!!!!! PLEASE! I agree with you Michael about Alicia Keys, she not only is beautiful but has an amazing voice. I loved her on the tribute concert. So Michael, I see that you dig Dave and you live in Seattle....have you had any sightings?????? Peace, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:57:38 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) >Enjoying this thread very much...makes me realize how >much I miss being in school. Another brilliant and moving >read is Zami A New Spelling of My Name a biomythography >by Audre Lorde. If you dont know who she is/was, >Audre Lorde was a celebrated lesbian author, activist and poet. >She died in 1992 after a 14 year struggle with breast cancer. >She was a founder of Kitchen Table: Women of Color Press, >a founding member of Sisterhood in Support of Sisters in >South Africa, and she addressed the First National March >for Lesbian & Gay Liberation in 1979 in Washington DC. >Lorde was internationally recognized as a significant >contributor to the struggle for Black, women's and lesbian >and gay rights. > >During that year at York University, I saw the film >A Litany for Survival, The Life and Work of Audre Lorde. >Absolutely moved me to the core. > >I need to take a moment to clarify my comment about >INternational films. I know that there is a lot of less >than good filming coming out of Europe..and that there >are good films out of Hollywood at times.I was just in >that moment of remembering the sweetness and the emotion >and how Ienjoyed the exotic-ness of watching films where >I dont speak the language...oh hell, the more I try to >explain, the further I dig into the hole. Nevermind. > >Mags I know exactly what you are saying. (your offlist comments)Some of my favs have been foreign too. Subtitles can be good;if nothing else they slow us down a bit. ;-) I will read some of the recommendations that you and others have mentioned by feminist writers. Have you read anything by Camilla Paglia (sp)? She is a lesbian writer who castigates some of the leadership in the feminist movement. She dares to speak out, so she's sort of been... PUT OUT TO SEA. I find her humorous and refreshing. She believes in the concept of feminism, she's just put off by the radicalism and sometimes the untruthfulness in it's message. An example of her distaste would the atrocious:men-bashing. She has problems I believe too with the gay-movement, this is for another day though. Bree np:D.K. I've got you under my skin. > > > > >===== >it's a miracle! >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) Bree wrote: > Have you > read anything by > Camilla Paglia (sp)? She is a lesbian writer who > castigates some of the > leadership in the feminist movement. She dares to > speak out, so she's sort > of been... PUT OUT TO SEA. While there are plenty of valid criticisms to be made of the many feminist and LGBT movements, I don't really think Paglia is making them. She's all teeth and no insight. And though she certainly is not terribly respected in most academic circles, she has developed quite the lucrative celebrity intellectual career. I guarantee she makes much more money than most in feminist/LGBT movements or the ivory tower, with large speaking fees, etc. Conservative/critical women/queers/people of color have the man-bites-dog cachet going for them, and grab easy headlines. Paglia is one of many such figures who have built careers on such counterplaying, without the real intellectual heft other conservatives (say Buckley, or Scaglia) *do* possess. Of course, there are plenty of dippy lefties, too. - --Michael NP: Maxwell, _Now_ ===== "And if you didn't see The light on the water You never saw me." - --Sylk 130 feat. Alison Moyet, "Skipping Stones" / Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Mama & Joni Nuriel wrote: > My mum thinks she's too damn sad I would have to say to your mum, "Don't interrupt the sorrow!" ; ) Lori in MD ~ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:38:11 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: PLaying Joni in standard tuning > > Marian wrote: > > > I have that songbook. I'll take a look at those songs and try out the > chords they suggest, but I think I will be surprised if the chord shapes > they give really sound like Joni's sounds. That may very well be true as far as reproducing the exact guitar sounds. However, playing solo I tend to mix chords and follow the singing so the songbook was adequate for that. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:45:13 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) continuing the George Clooney gossip... Bree said: <<[referring GC]I don't know if he's gay? But I can tell you he has pledged never to be married again. And he values this circle of eight or so guys he has known since his struggling young days when he left Agusta,Ky to live with his aunt,Rosemary Clooney in California. They hang together all the time....play basketball,ride bikes. He's not the type to be tied-down.........a free spirit. Also,he's married to his work. I think he did a heck of a job in PERFECT STORM!! I love his thick Irish brows!>> I asked my friend, who's working on his make-up in the film being made up in Montreal, and (you could almost hear the Gallic shrug over the phone -- Stephan is French Canadian) he said "Who knows? When we all came back from the holiday break, Gearge gave me (and everyone else) a big hug and said "Happy New Year"! [Sound of Walt falling off his desk chair] umph. Excuse me. Some people have all the luck. All reports of George Clooney is that he's a sweetheart, easy to work with, serious about his work (as Bree mentioned) but *not* serious about himself. :-) Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:20:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Last call for Joni guesses!! I must say, I'm impressed with the nice number of people who have resolved to try and put more Joni covers in their life! Thanks to all of you for the guesses for a free copy of "Covers, Volume 25" (a quarter of the way to Volume 100!) If you haven't guessed yet, let me hear from you! Pick a song from one of Joni's records/CD's, and be sure to tell me the song and the album/CD. You still have time; I won't shut down the competition til midnight Friday. "It's all luck, it's just luck..." ;~) Bob NP: Sheryl Crow, "redemption days" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:28:45 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni & Jimi - Rather long Tom Watson wrote: > The Ottawa Citizen > > ...Hendrix took his own portable reel-to-reel recording equipment wherever > he went. The Experience Music Project has more than 200 hours of tape he > recorded on his travels. Somewhere among them is a recording of Joni > Mitchell performing at L'Hibou. How do they know Experience Music Project has this tape??? Sounds like an assumption unless EMP (Hendrix Family) says they have it. Since it has never been booted or even heard it may be lost- EMP has been releasing some of the tapes on their Dagger Records label, though a Joni-Jimi tape could be buried forever for due to legalities. For me, I except that the tape was made, am sceptical that it still exists, and would like to be proven wrong. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:31:51 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni & Jimi - Rather long At 1/10/2002 12:28 PM, Randy Remote wrote: >How do they know Experience Music Project has this tape??? >Sounds like an assumption unless EMP (Hendrix Family) says >they have it. I heard through a Hendrix source that his tape recorder was stolen about this time. The assumption has always been that this tape was stolen along with it. Sure would like to hear otherwise... Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:44:05 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jimi - Rather long <> Amen & amen...I also doubt it exists...by the way Tom, thanks a lot for all the info! I wish Hendrix was still around, I can just hear the "Jammin' of the J's" - Joni/Jimi/Jaco! Bob NP: Shery Crow, "Superstar" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:44:18 +0800 From: "Nuriel Tobias" Subject: Re: Mama & Joni A man calls his mother in Florida. "Mom, how are you?" "Not too good," says the mother. "I've been very weak." The son says, "Why are you so weak?" She says, "Because I haven't eaten in 38 days." The man says, "That's terrible. Why haven't you eaten in 38 days? The mother answers, "Because I didn't want my mouth to be filled with food if you should call." But realy, Lori, i'm grateful for every time that my mum interrupted my sorrow. She has a PhD in happiness. Nuri - -----Original Message----- From: Lori in MD Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 09:07:47 -0800 (PST) To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Mama & Joni > Nuriel wrote: > > > My mum thinks she's too damn sad > > I would have to say to your mum, "Don't interrupt the sorrow!" ; ) > > Lori > in MD > > ~ > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. > - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:01:42 +0800 From: "Nuriel Tobias" Subject: Re-Larry+Jackson Michael wrote: "WOW. Mikey just thanked Larry Klein on the AMA's". I saw it just now and i didn't understand what Jackson has to do with Klein. Nuri - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:35:23 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) A couple of days ago, MG wrote: > He's back at > Princeton with only some minor teasing by some minor > doofuses. (doofusi?) and Catherine replied: > Doofi, I should think. ;) In today's Washington Post, a bit of synchronicity: http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/viewnq.cfm?uc_full_date=20020110&uc_comic=nq&uc_daction=X : D Lori in MD ~ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:54:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Mists of Avolon njc LOVED LOVED this book...its been a long time since I read it & I think I should read it again...the tv movie was okay...but of course nowhere as good as the book... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:23:45 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: standard tuning, chords njc very briefly: i've always called the chord Em 11. carole king wrote a song using that chord. it's called ''being at war with each other'' and it's on the ''fantasy'' album. it is the first chord. wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:31:34 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2002 #18 >>>"When I've Got The Moon". The latter song really spoke to me...and I could also hear our Kate Bennett performing these songs and doing them great justice.<<< Thanks Sharon, it must be that moon thang...lol....i will have to check out Mollie...thanks for the tip! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:53:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: leonard's online chat >>leonard cohen had an online chat with his admirers... http://www.leonardcohen.com/transcript.html<< shane, thanks so much for posting this...a very intriguing interview! speaking in "how small is your world" terms i have a cohen related story... last spring i was in nashville...i was in the honky tonk part of town & used the ladies room...on the wall someone had written: "ring the bells that can still ring forget your perfect offering there is a crack in everything that's how the light gets in l.cohen" i was so overcome with the depth of this & it underlined everything i was feeling on my first visit to nashville when i got home i was talking with a friend who is also a songwriter & who had worked with Leonard...i told her how cool it was to see him quoted on the wall & she said that she had just read that very quote that morning on a coffee cup he had given her coffee in when she had stopped by for a visit ... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:49:37 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: a heart like mary's/notches Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >"You're a notch in my belt, liberation doll," but no one would say, "You're >notches in my belt, liberation doll." Well, I've never truly understood that line, either, but, as Frank Zappa wisely said, lyrics are "pitched mouth sounds." But it set me to thinking what else Joni could be saying, printed lyrics aside (transcription mistakes by some record label flunky, never corrected?) - -- "You're not just (a) liberation doll." Possible? No? OK, how about these: "Your nachos, libation doll." (as spoken by a gregarious waiter) "Your naches (Yiddish for 'joy, gratification, especially from children/grandchildren'), generation doll." "Your matches, liberation doll." (celebrating woman's right to smoke) Or, finally: "Notches? Notches? We don't need no stinkin' notches!" - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:08:45 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: leonard's online chat In a message dated 1/10/02 4:50:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > leonard cohen had an online chat with his admirers... > http://www.leonardcohen.com/transcript.html<< > > shane, thanks so much for posting this...a very intriguing interview! > > I'm so sorry I missed this; I haven't visited there in some time Did you happen to read this Q&A? Stefan: Dearest Leonard, does contemporary music still play any role in your life and if so what acts of today would you tip your hat to? Leonard Cohen: Dear Stefan, As the Talmud says "There's good wine in every generation." I love to hear what Dylan has to say and Van Morrison and Joni Mitchell and Tom Waits and many others. The last album of George Jones "The Cold Hard Truth" is very very good. So is Jennifer Warnes' last album, "The Well." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:21:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: a heart like mary's/notches Darn right, Fred! :) - in Joni's case it must have been 'You're Nitzche's Liberation doll" Nuriel Fred wrote: >Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > >>"You're a notch in my belt, liberation doll," but no one would say, "You're >>notches in my belt, liberation doll." > >Well, I've never truly understood that line, either, but, as Frank Zappa >wisely said, lyrics are "pitched mouth sounds." > >But it set me to thinking what else Joni could be saying, printed lyrics >aside (transcription mistakes by some record label flunky, never corrected?) >-- > >"You're not just (a) liberation doll." > >Possible? No? OK, how about these: > >"Your nachos, libation doll." (as spoken by a gregarious waiter) > >"Your naches (Yiddish for 'joy, gratification, especially from >children/grandchildren'), generation doll." > >"Your matches, liberation doll." (celebrating woman's right to smoke) > >Or, finally: > >"Notches? Notches? We don't need no stinkin' notches!" > >-Fred _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:24:59 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jimi - (and now Mingus, too) Welcome to the list, Tom! Yes, the Jimi and Joni hook-up legend described in the article you posted is has intrigued me for some time. That recording of Joni & Jimi made by Hendrix himself is the holy graille of Mitchell artifacts, in my opinion. I wish it would surface, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't think Paul Allen has it, but he did acquire Jimi's diary, from whence came those quotes. It's prominently displayed at the new Experience Music Project in Seattle, as you may know, which Allen bank-rolled. Joni has discussed her encounter with Jimi on several occasions in interviews. I clipped this from the awesome Joni Mitchell article database Les Irvin has created at www.jmdl.com, with a little help from his friends. It's from a Rolling Stone Q&A with Joni in December 1994: RS: What's the most random celebrity encounter you've ever had? Joni: I met Jimi Hendrix at the Capitol Theatre in Ottawa, and after his set, he came down, and he brought a big reel-to-reel tape recorder. He introduced himself very shyly and said, "Would you mind if I taped your show?" I said, "Not at all." And later that evening, we went back, we were staying at the same hotel. He and his drummer Mitch [Mitchell], the three of us were talking. It was so innocent. But management, all they saw was three hippies. We were outcasts anyway. A black hippie! Two men and a woman in the same room. So they kept telling us to play lower. It was a very creative, special night. We were playing like children. Q: Describe Jimi in three words. Joni: I could tell you in a paragraph - I'm not good at snack-size bites. His main concern at that time was that he wanted to drop the phallic aspects of his showmanship. The big, flamboyant dick stuff was offensive to him, and he wanted to stop it. But every time he tried, he told me, the audience would boo. He wanted to take a different kind of band out, with a brass section. OK, three words? SENSITIVE. SHY. SWEET. End quote. By the by, they're screening two documentaries on Charles Mingus at the aforementioned Experience Music Project (EMP) in Seattle next Wednesday, January 16 as part of their jazz on film series. "Mingus 1968" (1968) at 7:15 and "Mingus: Triumph of the Underdog"(1997) at 9:00. Could be some Joni content in the latter, as it's a chronology, but I don't know. If someone goes (Mark?), please share the skinny. :-) The films are synopsized at www.emplive.com. That's the website for EMP. One of the best sites on the whole effing web, I think. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:48:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: leonard's online chat he does have great taste, doesn't he? Stefan: Dearest Leonard, does contemporary music still play any role in your life and if so what acts of today would you tip your hat to? Leonard Cohen: Dear Stefan, As the Talmud says "There's good wine in every generation." I love to hear what Dylan has to say and Van Morrison and Joni Mitchell and Tom Waits and many others. The last album of George Jones "The Cold Hard Truth" is very very good. So is Jennifer Warnes' last album, "The Well." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:44:19 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: wayward sons from the isle of wight njc have any of you uk folks heard this band?... someone just contacted me regarding doing a show with them when they come to the usa in march... sounds like fun... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:58:32 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: leonard's online chat In a message dated 1/10/02 6:45:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > There is another Leonard Cohen site, www.leonardcohenfiles.com, not his > official site, but another labor of love. ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:17:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Unsolved HOSL << She speaks of HOSL as a mistery, a riddle that she leaves to the listner to solve. Something like that. >> Here's what the liner notes say: "This is a total work conceived graphically, musically, lyrically and accidentally - as a whole. The performances were guided by the given compositional structures and the audibly inspired beauty of every player. The whole unfolded like a mystery. It is not my intention to unravel that mystery for anyone, but rather to offer some additional clues: "Centerpiece" is a Johnny Mandel - Jon Hendricks tune. John Guerin and I collaborated on "The Hissing of Summer Lawns". "The Boho Dance" is a Tom Wolfe-ism from the book "The Painted Word". The poem, "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" was born around 4 A.M. in a New York loft. Larry Poons seeded it and Bobby Neuwirth was midwife here, but the child filtered thru Genesis at Jackfish Lake, Saskatchewan, is rebellious and mystical and insists that its conception was immaculate. I would especially like to thank Myrt and Bill Anderson, North Battleford, New York, Saskatoon, Bel-Air, Burbank, Burundi, Orange County, the deep, deep heart of Dixie, Blue, National Geographic Magazine, Helpful Henry the Housewife's Delight - and John Guerin for showing me the root of the chord and where 1 was." Bob NP: Dylan, "Cry A While" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:15:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: top ten of 2001 - njc Fred, First kudos for your submission on the Homeland jazz album to benefit the victims of 9/11. It sounds like a stupendous compilation and I rushed to order it. As for the top ten, I am ashamed to admit that this has not been my year to keep up on new music, but of course you happened to mention one of my top faves: > Kurt Elling - FLIRTING WITH TWILIGHT (disclosure: I wrote a song on this > album, but I'd include it even if I hadn't) I also recently became acquainted with Elling's first album "Close Your Eyes" and fell madly in love with it. Also saw that the liner notes mentioned a thanks to "Fred S." ;-) Other memorable albums which I loved in 2001 were: Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks "Beatin' the Heat" with appearances by Tom Waits, Rickie Lee Jones, Bette Midler, Elvis Costello and Brian Setzer Laura Nyro "Angel in the Dark" Rickie Lee Jones "Pop Pop" (this is an older one but for me my very favorite) "Bootlegs": Received many amazing ones from JMDLer friends this year particularly: Simon & Garfunkel Live at the Hollywood Bowl August 1968 (INCREDIBLE) Shawn Colvin - NPR live appearances 1975 Laura Nyro - 3 different live performances from possibly the 80s and early 90s that I'm still researching - these are beyond amazing. And....the Jonifest 2001 compilation is absolutely extraordinary!! Professionally recorded, it includes overwhemingly gorgeous performances from many. For those who haven't heard it, you should bug Paz and Bob for a copy!! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:14:05 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Feminist Reading (long) NJC In a message dated 1/9/02 9:36:31 PM, sharonbuffington@mediaone.net writes: > To me...feminism is about empowering ourselves to see and hear what >is often unseen and unheard...and to use the slivers of light and >whispers of dust to help us be unafraid. That's a beautiful quote. And thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I have not read most of the books mentioned, except for The Mists of Avalon, which I read (and loved) years ago. I recently bought a nice hardcover copy to replace my old paperback, in which the pages had yellowed. A great book. One thing I don't understand is why there is so little writing on violence against women and children from the feminist movement. For example, rape is not given much attention (there are few books about it) and neither is child abuse. I don't get it. There are a lot of books on these subjects, but they seem to be personal memoirs, rather than feminist analyses, with a very few exceptions, such as Judith Lewis Herman's Trauma and Recovery and Christine C ourtois's books on recovery from incest. And they are both therapists. It's as though we've decided that family violence is each person's private problem to deal with. There was some attention given to the issue back in the 70's/80's by the feminist movement, but it faded for some reason. Don't know why. That's probably the key reason why I'm not much involved in the feminist movement as a whole. James Chu has done more for me with his book Rebuilding Shattered Lives than any feminist book I've read. I mean that very seriously. That's part of why it's hard to take some of the academic books to heart, especially when they are written about well off women who complain about things like cosmetic companies (as in parts of The Beauty Myth). Feminists should be taking on child sexual abuse, especially of children with disabilities, who are disproporationately abused, and also the compelling needs of poor women and children. Plus the needs of the mentally ill and the mentally handicapped, who are neglected. Plus, what about women with schizophrenia, who are in danger of being repeatedly raped if they are delusional and on the street? The feminist movement doesn't really seem to be helping the most powerless populations. Unless I'm missing something. Mary K PS - does Joni consider herself a feminist? I know she didn't when she was younger, but I was wondering if she'd changed her mind. People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:27:10 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: top ten of 2001 - njc In a message dated 1/10/02 9:00:14 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: >I also recently became acquainted with Elling's first album "Close Your >Eyes" and fell madly in love with it. Also saw that the liner notes >mentioned a thanks to "Fred S." Although you never know, that could be Fred Schneider of the B-52s. When I saw that "Fred S." acknowledgment I felt like an illicit lover in an Anais Nin diary. On Kurt's new album, the writing credit for my song lists "F. Simon." One day I hope to graduate to a full "Fred Simon." - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:37:20 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: This JUST in (NJC) Ethan Zorn (winner of the Survivor contest) is this weeks winner of the Gregg Cagno look alike contest. He even sounds a bit like him. I hear that they will ask Gregg to play Ethan in the Survivor Africa-The Movie. LOL ;-) Sorry Gregg couldn't help myself. Love ya bro! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:48:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: conference about music njc A few of the musicians on this list sell their CDs at CDBABY & many of you have bought CDs there...thought you might be interested in this NY TIMES article on The Future of Music Conference with a quote from Derek (CDBABY): http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/10/arts/music/10CONF.html?homepageinsidebox ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:54:18 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) Marian I use it all the time when my mind goes and I can't think of what the next chord is (and we all know how often THAT can happen). Love Paz on 1/10/02 4:12 AM, M.Russell@iaea.org at M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > I was wrong. The notes of standard tuning can be arranged into chords. > There's this really cool link where you can find chord shapes in any tuning > and chord names for any chords: > > http://guitar.to/ > > The chord name finder there gives these possibilities for EADGBE (standard > tuning) > > D9 sus4 6th > Em 11th > G6/9 > A11 > Bm aug5 7th sus4 > > I don't think standard tuning sounds bad, but I have never seen a song where > the open strings of standard tuning were used as one of the chords. My > musical experience is rather limited, though. With all the music out there, > I'm sure there must be more than a few songs where it is used. > > Marian > Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:11:22 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: top ten of 2001 - njc > When I saw that "Fred S." acknowledgment I felt like an illicit lover in an > Anais Nin diary. LOLOL, Fred!! > On Kurt's new album, the writing credit for my song lists > "F. Simon." One day I hope to graduate to a full "Fred Simon." I just may point that out to him next time he is in town here ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:10:54 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: AMA njc Hi Julie- I know that sucked, but I have to admit I like N'Sync too. My kids got me into them and then I worked a show with them last year which was a ton of fun and I think they DO have talent, I just like Dave BETTER! (and of course I DON't listen to them except when the kids do and I DON'T have their posters up on MY wall. I DON'T live in Seattle and have never been there (but I have friends there), I don't know what gave you that idea. I have had several Dave sightings in New Orleans where I DO live. I have seen him several times here and I even got to be Stage Manager on an MTV video shoot here in New Orleans right after Crash first came out and DMB played Jazz Fest the first time. It was the bomb! Dave was really nice and Carter was as well. I got to talk to him alot and was right on stage throughout rehearsals and the show. My favorite time seeing him was when he played here with Tim Reynolds. Really powerful set and an awesome duo. I got a nice gift from a fellow JMDL'er last year, which was a Dave solo performance at the Groundworks Benefit last year in Seattle. I love that CD. He sings with Daniel Lanois and EmmyLou on one tune. Am I drooling????? LOL Michael on 1/10/02 7:27 AM, YORK48CAD@aol.com at YORK48CAD@aol.com wrote: > Well, it just goes to show how old I'm really getting. N'Sync over Dave > Matthews Band!!!!!!! PLEASE! I agree with you Michael about Alicia Keys, > she not only is > beautiful but has an amazing voice. I loved her on the tribute concert. > So Michael, I see that you dig Dave and you live in Seattle....have you had > any > sightings?????? > Peace, > Julie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:20:58 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Re-Larry+Jackson Nuri Klien is a pretty popular musician in LA and I am sure he is in demand to be Musical Director for alot of things like that. I know he is very well liked in the industry and is probably the equivilant (if NOT MUCH MORE) than say a Paul Schaffer in NYC. Best Michael on 1/10/02 12:01 PM, Nuriel Tobias at nuriel@artlover.com wrote: > Michael wrote: "WOW. Mikey just thanked Larry Klein on the AMA's". > > I saw it just now and i didn't understand what Jackson has to do with Klein. > > Nuri ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #20 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?