From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #19 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 10 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 019 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Alicia Keys (NJC) [Michael Paz ] chat room [Mags ] Re: For the Roses [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Re: Bush Fires NJC [john low ] a heart like mary's [Murphycopy@aol.com] Larry That Wild Russian [Michael Paz ] Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) [Mags N Brei ] Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS >>> West Coast mini-Tour! [Dharma Beetle ] Re: Spring With Tim & Mollie - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:55:08 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) It looks like an E mi 11/9 chord to me but it could also be C major chord that Mitchell used all the time (COYOTE) leaving out the root for the bass to play. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:31:03 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) > > Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley ( a lighter > > read?) i think mark e. in seattle has read this, ask > > him what he thought. > > A WONDERFUL read!! I want to read it again this summer. There are also > prequels and sequels to this book. I highly recommend this one! > 'Mists of Avalon' is a wonderful book! I thought the mini-series paled in comparison. The Arthurian legend told from the viewpoints of the women. Entertaining & fascinating reading. Allison also mentioned Virginia Woolf who had a unique & fascinating writing style. 'Orlando' was her love-letter to Vita Sackville-West and is a fun read. Pretty decent movie made out of it, too. 'Mrs. Dalloway' is also good and worth the read just for the way it's constructed. This one had a very good film made of it as well that was pretty successful at capturing what is going on in the character's heads which is a lot of what the book is all about. The novel moves from one character's pov to the next as their paths cross and sort of connects up two nearly unrelated stories. For some reason this literary device makes me think of Rickie Lee Jones' song 'Satellites'. Mark E. who has started 'The Voyage Out' but hasn't done much reading lately so hasn't gotten too far into it yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Mama & Joni Catherine McKay wrote: "I'm a mother and I still like Joni - does that make me a Jezemum? ;)" YES! :) Speaking of Jezebel - her story took place here in the mountain where we live, Mount. Carmel. Amelia (this name is also from the Bible and in Hebrew means "work of God") was a member of her family. Amelia was one of the few good characters in that story. The story and the blood bath following it began with a fight over a grape-vine and Jezebel's hate for the prophet. The name Jezebel means in hebrew "no soil". Nuri > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:54:06 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Alicia Keys (NJC) Hello All Still watching the AMA awards and digging the fact that Alicia has one a couple already. She is really talented and quite pretty. Clive should have gotten her some speech lessons tho. She don't be talking to hot. I saw her last night on Carson Daly's new show and enjoyed her playing alot. My boy Dave has gotten shut out twice tho tonight. Later Paz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:53:43 -0500 From: Mags Subject: chat room anyone around to chat? mags. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:58:12 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: For the Roses Thanks for sharing Barbara. For the Roses was my first journey into Joni's music too. Your cabin sounds like heaven to me. Heather At 07:52 AM 1/8/02 -0800, Steven & Babara Hirahara wrote: >By the time I was 19 I had a beautiful baby girl, buried both of my parents, I >was raising my little brother and had been married and divorced. I had fallen >in with a wonderful women named Gina who had offered to do my portrait in >chalk. > >She asked me to pose "straight," something I was loath to do for more than a >few hours. > >She said that loaded people gimaced oddly making it hard to capture their true >appearance. > >Gina turned on her record player ( an odd contraption that played large vinyl >discs at varying speeds) and I listened to Joni for hours. > >Time actually stood still and "For the Roses" took me to places in my heart >and soul that I hadn't visited in many years. I was surprised and stunned, >totally breathless and wanting more. "Ladies of the Canyon" and then "Blue" >but always "For the Roses" over and over for weeks. > >I felt like I had found the perfect score to my deep grief. > >I have often felt that if I met Joni today I would weep first for her >tenderness at underscoring my pain then dance for joy at her wisdom for >healing my sorrow. > >I am reluctant to join into the jargon et al for I cannot, conscientiously, >abbreviate what has touched my body, mind and soul. > >I've seen Joni in concert, once. Anaheim convention center, Court and Spark >era. She wore red chiffon. I will never forget how life was then, especially >that night. > >Joni Mitchell is the number one song writer, recording artist and performer of >my heart and soul. My children (all women, 15, 17 and 32) ask me to tell them >who my contemporary favorites are. I always recite Joni Mitchell as number >one. > >They are exploring new music techniques with the aid of computers and various >download processes. They have a wide variety of choices to view and review >new artists. > >When I was young you either got in the car and drove to the concert or hitch >hiked. You either stood in line and bought a ticket in advance or sneaked in >any way you could. > >My children have every affordable way to make and listen to music, and they do >it all. I'd like to thank Joni Mitchell for allowing me to let my children >explore their souls the way she allowed me, through beauty, tenderness and >spirit-filled love. Her artistry is a tribute to life. > >I haven't posted since September. I am building a cabin in the woods below >Yosemite and creating my own artist's haven. > >In the last year I have seen my children bury their father, watched my >soulmate painfully accept his family's decision to disown him, and I am now >moving our family home. > >I hope to keep posting when I have the opportunity. > >Love and Peace, Barbara Murray-Hirahara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:07:22 +1000 From: john low Subject: Re: Bush Fires NJC Kakki wrote: >Hi John, > >It's good to hear that you are alright and that you've had some rain. We've >had a bit of the coverage here and they mentioned you all getting that big >helicopter to help fight the flames. We've had to develop some pretty >high-tech stuff here in Calif. to battle the brush fires. I was really >amazed the other night to see the coverage of the poor little Koala bears >who they are trying to save - they showed them with little oxygen masks on! > >Take care and I hope it clears up for you soon. > >Kakki > Thanks Kakki, Ive been thinking about California during recent weeks as I know (from reading) that youve had some really horrendous fire experiences there. Hasnt the Canyon where Joni once lived been hit many times? With regard to the native animals there was an article, titled The Silent Victims of Fire, in our local newspaper this week which suggested that the full impact on the native fauna may not be known for years and concluded that "there is little doubt the fires have been devastating on native animals". Such a large part of the Blue Mountains National Park has been burnt and almost a hundred percent of the Royal National Park (established not long after Yosemite in the US) in the south of Sydney has suffered fire damage. Then there are all those other fire ravaged areas north and south of Sydney. The Wildlife Rescue Service (WIRES), a truly wonderful organization, has been very busy in the Mountains and elsewhere. It will be a long road back for many animal communities thats for sure. And Ashara, thanks for those thoughts and prayers! Ooooh, and those hugs really do get rid of that tension! :-) Cheers, John, in Sydney where Nature has been painting its own pyrotechnic explosions of late, and theyve not been autumnal! __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:13:21 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: a heart like mary's It takes a heart like Mary's these days when I read posts from people who think "you're notches" makes sense in DITS! Can someone explain this before I plotz? It is so obvious to me that the man in the song is referring to the seventeen glasses/room full of glasses when he says to the woman that those are "your notches" -- the empty glasses from which she and/or he has been drinking too much Rhine wine. It's the only interpretation that makes sense to me. If you read it as the man saying something like, "You're just another notch in my belt," fine. But how does that make sense? No one ever says, "You're just notches in my belt" when referring to one person. Someone might say, "You're a notch in my belt, liberation doll," but no one would say, "You're notches in my belt, liberation doll." (Although someone could say, "See all these notches in my belt? Liberation dolls, every one of 'em!") Really. Sometimes you people drive me to drink! --Bob PS: And what's with using the word "seventeen" twice in this song? ("seventeen glasses" and "since I was seventeen.") Is it a Biblical thing, Mr Muller, like "1:15?" (I loved that spin on the lyrics, by the way.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 22:07:39 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Larry That Wild Russian WOW. Mikey just thanked Larry Klien on the AMA's. Go Larry! I didn't realize Dick had tapped him to be MD for the show. Whoo hoo, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:03:42 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > < writing > style. 'Orlando' was her love-letter to Vita Sackville-West and is a > fun > read. Pretty decent movie made out of it, too. >> Orlando is a fabulous book and film... I also love the little film of Room of One's Own...I wish I could remember who stars in it...an amazing story...talk about following the stream of consciousness it is the book verbatim .. yes Virginia was brilliant. okay, off to bed with my new comforter... adding to the collection ;-) Mags..... np: we are each other's angels Gregg Cagno > ===== it's a miracle! Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:09:08 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) In a message dated 1/9/02 11:04:52 PM, magsnbrei@yahoo.com writes: << talk about following the stream of consciousness it is the book verbatim .. yes Virginia was brilliant. >> Unfortunately, she followed that stream of consciousness right into a river! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:27:35 -0800 (PST) From: Dharma Beetle Subject: ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS >>> West Coast mini-Tour! Just Announced! ALAN HERTZ & FRIENDS Featuring: Alan Hertz (Garaj Mahal, KVHW) Drums & Skins Liam Hanrahan (Melvin Seals, Zero) Bass Tal Morris (Sons of Champlin) Guitars DJ Ohdee Turntables, effects, loops West Coast mini-Tour >>>> coming right up! 01/20/02 FOURTH STREET TAVERN  SAN RAFAEL, CA 01/23/02 THE IGUANA  REDWAY, CA 01/24/02 SISKIYOU BREWPUB  ASHLAND, OR 01/25/02 CHEERFUL TORTOISE  EUGENE, OR 01/26/02 FEZ BALLROOM  PORTLAND, OR 02/01/02 CONNECTICUT YANKEE  SAN FRANCISCO, CA 02/02/02 CONNECTICUT YANKEE  SAN FRANCISCO, CA Here are some links: Alan Hertz & Friends on Jambase: http://www.jambase.com/search.asp?bandID=5480 OYSTER-HERTZ show review on Jambase: http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=1163 For over the past year, Alan has been leading an ensemble of musicians under his own name. The group, which has simply been called Alan Hertz & Friends, has featured a partially revolving cast of some of the finest musicians hand picked from the Bay Area music scene. Centered around the musical interplay between bassist Liam Hanrahan, guitarist Tal Morris and Alan on drums, this group has found its stride with a careening wash of colorful sonic textures, and spot-on, slippery yet virulent grooves. The group is rounded out this time around with special guest, DJ Ohdee on turntables, effects, and loops. Fans of Garaj Mahal & KVHW certainly know whats in store when Alan takes the stage... Look for a night of blazing musical exploration tempered with some rock-solid, all-night booty shakin! BIO: In 1998, Alan began his involvement in a group that became known as KVHW. With it's blend of rock energy and a fiercely spirited, uplifting approach to group improvisation, combined with jazz, world, and rhythm & blues music, this group erupted onto the San Francisco Bay music scene. The genesis of this group came when two longtime collaborators Steve Kimock (Zero, The Other Ones, Phil & Friends) and Bobby Vega (Zero, Jefferson Starship, Quicksilver) put together a jam for a benefit show bringing in Frank Zappa alumnus Ray White and Alan. An enormous public outcry of support for this group soon followed. The group became popular as a nationally touring act throughout 1998-99.Unfortunately, things came to a close for KVHW in January of 2000. Presently, Alan spends his time as the drummer in yet another acclaimed musical project, Garaj Mahal. Featuring world renowned bassist Kai Eckhardt (John McLaughlin, Chick Corea, Trilok Gurtu), Blue Note alumnus Fareed Haque on guitar and sitar-guitar (Sting, Joe Zawinul, Tony Williams), and Chicago-based keyboardist Eric Levy, this group has performed to enthusiastic audiences in the Northern California since its inception over a year ago. In addition to performing with KVHW, Alan has performed with a very healthy list of musicians. These artists include Merl Saunders, Les Claypool (Primus, Oysterhead), Trey Anastasio (Phish, Oysterhead), Ike Willis (Frank Zappa), Chip Roland (Zero), Martin Fierro (Zero), Henry Kaiser (Yo Miles!), Michael Manring (Yo Miles!), and Primitive Medicine (with Michael Carabello of Santana, Kai Eckhardt, Sykuru, Kit Walker & tabla player Eman), and James Rotondi (Air, Mr. Bungle), among others. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:01:03 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) I take it that Andy didn't like strudel. Heather At 07:04 PM 1/8/02 -0500, Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/8/02 10:19:09 AM, lrfye58@yahoo.com writes: > ><< Stuck forever in Mayberry with all those memories of "happy days." >> > >Such as this memorable scene: > >ANDY: That's a mighty fine pie you got there, Aint Bea. > >AINT BEA: Ooooh, Andy! > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:27:49 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Spring With Tim & Mollie Les Wrote: Mollie (local Denver resident) and her brother Tim O'Brien also have put out what I think is the finest trilogy of Americana/Folk/Traditional albums ever. One can't go wrong by picking up any of their discs. Les NP: Tim and Mollie "When I Was A Cowboy" Dear Les: Yes...the brother sister duo is wonderful. I especially like their rendition of "When My Blue Moon Turns To Gold Again"...hmmm..that may be a good one for the Fest. LOL Lucky you to have Mollie in Colorado. She does not sing so much with Tim anymore though. Do they perform a lot in Colorado? Mollie will be coming here March 16th I believe to appear on A Prairie Home Companion. I only remember this because it follows the Diana Krall concert March 15!!! I was fortunate enough to be able to buy TWO tickets...for great seats. My friends are suddenly doing more favors for me. :) Another thing I like about Tim and Mollie is that they use an accordion in a number of their songs. :) I bought a brand new accordion. I call her the Tart because she is soooo flashy...red with jewels. (which should go well with Paz' pumps) And as you know Les, when you play an instrument...you are especially sensitive to its inclusion into a piece. Thank you Les for the reminder about Tim O'Brien. Love and Peace.......Sharon - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:30:22 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Now Mayberry RFD and NJC! In a message dated 1/10/02 12:00:55 AM, chiaroscuro@SNET.Net writes: << I take it that Andy didn't like strudel. >> That doesn't mean he didn't lead a rich and full gay life, Heather. "Oh, Andy boy . . . The Fyfes, the Fyfes are calling . . . " Somebody stop me, please. Call me a cab. I'll leave. I promise. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:44:48 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Feminist Reading "Sybil Skelton" said: Have you read Doris Lessing? It's been a very long time, but "The Golden Notebook" really changed my life once upon a time. Sybil The Golden Notebook is a wonderful book. I also liked "Practical Magic" by Alice Hoffman. Ms. Hoffman is one of my favorite writers. I especially enjoyed "The River King". I must have read it three times. :) To me...feminism is about empowering ourselves to see and hear what is often unseen and unheard...and to use the slivers of light and whispers of dust to help us be unafraid. Peace.......Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:37:55 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Spring With Tim & Mollie - NJC In a message dated 1/10/02 12:19:55 AM, sharonbuffington@mediaone.net writes: << I bought a brand new accordion. I call her the Tart because she is soooo flashy...red with jewels. >> Sounds like my Auntie Gert to me, Sharon. Maybe that's the name you're looking for -- Gert. Sorta sounds like Tart, but without all the cheap connotations. Just a bee in your bonnet, --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #19 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?