From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #18 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 018 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: January 9 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: January 9 [les@jmdl.com] recording of Jungle Line without the drums? [M.Russell@iaea.org] All this talk about 'open' tunings.....SJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] remember the first time you heard Joni ["Ron Greer" ] feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: Russell Crowe (NJC) [colin ] Hissing Songbook [=?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Shannon?= ] leonard's online chat [shane ] Re: live at club 47 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Blue Tapestry - UK tour in March ["Paul Castle" ] Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: The Second Fret [Mags N Brei ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["Kate Bennett" ] remember the first time you heard joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: notches liberation doll [Howard ] (njc) Cue music: "Thats What friend are for..." [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Bush Fires NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] "Refuge of the Roads" video for Brits 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)"] Re: top ten of 2001 - njc [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: stupid but true NJC ["Garret" ] Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Spring NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Subject: Your first 2002 Joni ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Unsolved HOSL ["Nuriel Tobias" ] Re: Spring with Mollie NJC [Les Irvin ] Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.co] Today's Articles: January 9 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: January 9 [les@jmdl.com] Hits [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: Mama & Joni [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 03:09:26 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: January 9 On January 9 in Joni Mitchell History: 1968: From the Official Chronology at JM.com: Joni plays the second of three nights at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 03:09:26 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: January 9 On January 9 this article was published: 1971: "Contemporary Songwriters: No. 4 Joni Mitchell" - Sounds (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710109s.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:24:04 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: recording of Jungle Line without the drums? In the last year, someone mentioned that they had a recording of, or were able to hear the song Jungle Line without all the drums. I would very much like to obtain a recording of this as soon as possible. Can anyone help me? Thanks! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:41:23 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: All this talk about 'open' tunings.....SJC Hi Is there anyone out there who has a copy of the published song book with standard tuning tabs for Wild Things Run Fast? I'm particularly interested in acquiring a copy of the standard tabs for 'Love'. Also the standard tuning tabs for 'Conversation'. I believe that the compiled charts for Joni's first three records were published in a single volume and although I think I recall that the tabs were open tuning, the chord names were provided (with their miriad suspensions and additional notes :-) ) - that would be all the information I need there. I've tried the 'open' tunings available on the JMDL but, being a lazy git, want to do something with these songs without going through the palaver of retuning my guitar - heresy, I know, but there you have it! If you could contact me off-list, I'd really appreciate it. Thank you and a good new year to you all. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:57:31 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: remember the first time you heard Joni hi the first time i heard joni was in '81/82 - the album was shadows & light. i was in the air force doing national service, based in walvis bay, in what is now namibia, but was in those days considered to be a part of south africa. a friend had just been on leave, and had come back with an ample supply of the green stuff to smoke, and a whole bunch of new tapes to listen to. that morning we had got nicely stoned, then sat outside in the sun listening to david bowie's gravedigger song (not too sure of the official title - please mr. gravedigger??) - what a freak out!!! we were alll quivering wrecks by the end of the song... then that evening we were in his room, smoking a one hit bong. he then put on this album, and told us we were in for a treat. i wish i could say that i had this instant revelation/epiphany which so many people seem to have had, but quite frankly i just didnt get it... it was totally different to anything i had ever heard, it just didnt make sense, and what the hell was that guy doing to his bass??? i was a huge bass fan at that stage, & quite capable of tuning in to the bass only, & not even hearing the other instruments. but it intrigued me, i kept coming back, and within a very short time it just started to work for me. when he left, i had to go out & buy a copy for myself. just after that stage of my life i went into a huge depression, suicidal, and totally shut off from everyone - i would hardly ever speak to anyone, and run a mile if anyone spoke to me. spending an entire day in bed, not eating, not reading, just crying, was a fairly regular ocurrence. somehow shadows & light got through to me. amelia became one of my all time favourite tracks, & god must be a boogy man just spoke volumes to me. the inner conflict described in the song helped me realise that it wasnt just me who was in turmoil. then i saw some more joni albums, two double albums, consisting of two single albums joined in the middle, with the original covers. my introduction to her earlier albums - hissing of the summer lawns, blue, ladies of the canyon, and another (court & spark??). by now i was ready - it was a great intro to her other music. but to this day, i still rate shadows and light as the finest album ever produced by anyone.. ron' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 04:24:13 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) In a message dated 1/8/02 11:22:59 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: >She was totally into thefeminist movement of the early 70s and used to rant a lot >about people having babies and overpopulating the world, put the whole family on a role >reversal program, i.e. boys do the ironing and the girls do the tree >trimming and yard work, etc., and would (I absolutely kid you not) sit >in a trance and listen to Helen Reddy's "I Am Woman" repeatedly during the day. LOL!! Seriously, does anyone have any good feminist books to recommend? do you have the same problem I do? The standard books, such as Backlash and The Beauty Myth, seem simplistic and (worst case) male bashing. Other books, such as Christina Hoff Sommers' Who Stole Feminism, seem mean-spirited and too conservative for me. Anything good out there? What about novels? Those feminist novels about utopia that I've seen haven't, um, exactly impressed me too much. OTOH, I just reread the Handmaid's Tale and that was quite sad. Mary K PS - I just tried to start "A Vindication of the Rights of Woman" a couple days ago and put it down. I got bored. Have to try it again soon. Has anyone read anything from the Seneca Falls period? People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 09:55:13 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Russell Crowe (NJC) he was also in Neighbours. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:21:17 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Shannon?= Subject: Hissing Songbook Does anyone have or know of a HoSL Songbook I could borrow or purchase? - - Dave Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:32:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissing Songbook On E-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1405493682 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:32:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hissing Songbook On E-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1405493682 Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 05:00:11 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Mayberry njc >Such as this memorable scene: > >ANDY: That's a mighty fine pie you got there, Aint Bea. > >AINT BEA: Ooooh, Andy! If she ain't Bea, who is she? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:31:00 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) Seriously, does anyone have any good feminist books to recommend Have you read Doris Lessing? It's been a very long time, but "The Golden Notebook" really changed my life once upon a time. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:08:03 EST From: Abbymusique@aol.com Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni I first heard Joni in our living room at home. I was about five or six, and my mother got "Court and Spark" and played it over and over again. I was so in love with all music at that time, and used to spin around and dance in the middle of the floor to Joni, fleetwood Mac, Seals and Crofts, Cat Stevens, etc. I also used to pull out all my mom's albums and study the covers. I remember being really fascinated by Joni's cover for "Clouds". That big colorful self-portrait always drew my attention. My favorite Joni songs at that young age were "Help Me", "Court and Spark", and "People's Parties/Same Situation". Abby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 09:30:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: pondering the subject of beautiful minds NJC <> While those are all fabulous films, this is sort of a false perception, Mags. It's quite easy to think that International films are so much more artistic, but typically the only ones that get exported are the cream of the crop. There's just as much dreadful crap made internationally as there is in Hollywood. Bob NP: Marshall Crenshaw, "Everything's The Truth" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 20:31:58 +0800 From: "Nuriel Tobias" Subject: Mama & Joni Catherine and Susan, i think you've just wrote one of the all times JC truths - Mothers don't like Joni. I think they sense the Jezebel and fear it. I think that deep inside their souls our mothers wish they had Joni's freedom and lust. For girls in America, mothers were surley worried by the blonde hippie woman's ideas brainwashing their daughters minds. My mum thinks she's too damn sad but i think it all began when my father was looking at a Joni photo and said something like "Oh, who is this beautiful lady, son?" Love, Nuriel - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 03:12:13 -0700 From: shane Subject: leonard's online chat in october, leonard cohen had an online chat with his admirers... i got surfing around him after my astonishment at his work in his new release "ten new songs"... even the chat is itself enlightening: http://www.leonardcohen.com/transcript.html shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 09:27:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: live at club 47 <> Joe, this was a popular bootleg called most often "By The Banks of the River Charles". It documents Joni's performance at Club 47 on January 8-10, 1968. Here's the setlist for this show: 1. Cactus Tree 2. Night In The City 3. The Gift of the Magi 4. I Had a King 5. Morning Morgantown 6. Ballerina Valerie 7. Song to a Seagull 8. Both Sides Now 9. Conversation 10. Come to the Sunshine 11. Chelsea Morning 12. The Pirates of Penance 13. The Way It Is 14. The Dawntreader It's a very nice set. A very intimate setting, and a high quality recording. One of the few live versions of "Pirate of Penance" & "Gift Of The Magi" you'll find, as well as a performance of "The Way It Is", a song she composed as the theme song to a Canadian news show of the same name. There is some great video available with some of her performances of this song and others on the CBC-TV show. I'm happy to make copies of the CD for blanks/postage or equivalent costs thereof, for any interested JMDL'er. Bob NP: Marshall Crenshaw, "Starting Tomorrow" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:24:13 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Blue Tapestry - UK tour in March I've just heard that a couple of the UK's most popular folky singer songwriters, Chris While and Julie Matthews, will be touring the UK in March as >BLUE TAPESTRY - A celebration of the music of >Joni Mitchell & Carole King - performed by Chris While, >Julie Matthews, Pete Zorn, Maartin Alcock & Neil Marshall Sounds like a good night out for UK Jmdlers - BUT no dates in London, sadly - see http://www.mattwhile.fsnet.co.uk/Tour_Datesx.html (the closest is The Chequermead Arts Centre, East Grinstead, West Sussex - do you know this venue, Jacky?). Hope someone manages to record some of these gigs. Chris and Julie were both singers with Ashley Hutching's 'Albion Band' until 1997 when they left to form the all female 'Daphne's Flight' (with Christine Collister and others). They've been playing as a duo for a few years now - Julie plays piano, guitar, mandolin and bouzouki, and Chris plays guitar, dulcimer, bodhran and percussion. Both have had their songs covered by Irish sisters, Mary and Frances Black, amongst others - see http://www.whileandmatthews.co.uk/. The band will also include multi-instrumentalists Pete Zorn (currently Albion Band and The Richard Thompson Band) and Maartin Alcock (ex-Fairport Convention and Jethro Tull) as well as current Albion Band drummer Neil Marshall. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:12:54 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) MGVal@aol.com wrote: > >>>to me, it was eye opening to see that someone suffering from schizophrenia as as highly functional as Nash was...& as innovatively brilliant...<< > > I saw this copied into another post so I am saying off the bat I don't know the original poster nor the entire message. I'm only commenting on this one sentence. > > The acting by Crowe, as I said before, was wonderful. But, unfortunately, part of the highly santized version is that Nash was NOT highly functional. Don't let the movie fool you. > > Besides Nash's homosexuality, his "unfunctioning" was portrayed as something else. I don't think that paranoid schizophrenics do quite as well as Nash did in that movie. In full bloom of their illness, they stink, they are mean and vicious, they have trouble holding down a job, paying bills, maintaining relationships, raising chidren; the whole shooting match. > > Again, aside from being viewed as a slightly wacky dude who has a way with numbers, in no way did the movie show the smell, the violence, the betrayal and the suffering of someone with the disease and their loved, (or solicted one ;-D ), dealing with it. Nor the resulting stigma as others, (Colin, I think), have pointed out. It was grossly oversimplifying that Nash was able to just renew old ties and voila! He's back at Princeton with only some minor teasing by some minor doofuses. (doofusi?) > > Which then brings us to Bob Muller's statement that Ron Howard's job was to make a movie that made the producers and investors money. That is right on the...er....ah...money and bears a bit of expansion. It's made to make movie with the least possible risk and the most return. How true, Oh Wise MG. To prove the point just look to last year's Requiem for a dream. Ellen Burstyn's portrayal was much more realistic, thus more horrific. Great reviews, the film was on everyone's Top Ten list (deservedly so), and she was nominated for Best Actress by The Academy. But it was universally ignored by audiences as being a turn-off. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:42:57 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) Fellow JMDLers, Please forgive my preceding post. I was trying to reply with the quotes I wanted to reply to by using "reply" and deleting all the extraneous material, and trying to insert a space where it wouldn't go, and, suddenly, what was left was sent -- the majority of digest 9 of the current volume. Delete it. Below is, in substance, what I wanted to write, lacking either the quotes from the original posts, or the names of the members posting the remarks I respond to (3 of 4). In reply to a question about open tuning, one member -- Marion or Marian in Vienna, I believe -- said that the combination of six strings in standard guitar tuning, EAGDBE, isn't a chord, and another member said any combination of three or more notes is a chord, but we would have to be creative to give a name to that combination, and provided two examples. Well, a guitar-chord reference I have says that chord is A 11. Another member made a reference to "Acoustic Magazine" for a good article on Joni's tunings and how they're used. Could that have been "Acoustic Guitar" magazine? And, in any case, how about posting the issue date -- month and year -- and/or the volume and issue number? A fourth member said his/her mother always got Joni Mitchell's name wrong, referring to "Joni James." Well, there is, or was, a female vocalist named Joni James -- blonde, too, I think -- who apparently peaked in the 1950s. One of several catalogs I have of mail/phone/fax/Ineternet-order suppliers of recorded music -- probably Collector's Choice, in this instance -- has several Joni James albums, and the catalog is illustrated with pictures. All the best in 2002. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:53:33 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Tapestry - UK tour in March In a message dated 09/01/02 11:26:18 GMT Standard Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > > Sounds like a good night out for UK Jmdlers - BUT no dates > in London, sadly - see http://www.mattwhile.fsnet.co.uk/Tour_Datesx.html > (the closest is The Chequermead Arts Centre, East Grinstead, > West Sussex - do you know this venue, Jacky?). Hope someone > manages to record some of these gigs. > Hi Paul, I've never been to that venue but it's high time I did and shall certainly try to go on March 10th. I'm not equipped to record it though! I also noticed Phil Beer and co are at Tunbridge Wells on Jan 26th and would definitely be going to that if I hadn't got something else on as the Trinity Arts Centre is one of my favourite venues. Thanks for letting us know about this. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:05:11 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: The Second Fret Hello all! This was on the Folk Alliance list. Wasn't Joni featured at The Second Fret? Anyone see her there? >We're looking for people with memories of The Second Fret... >The Second Fret was a Folk Club in Philadelphia, Pa in the early to mid 1960's. Owned and operated by Manny Rubin, the Fret became one of the most influential clubs of that era. We'd like to gather an archive of stories, remembrances and photos from our Uncle Manny's club...and we'd like your help. Please tell us what you remember about those days at the Fret. If you have a photo you'd like to share...e-mail me at drubin@ptd.net and I'll arrange to put it on a photo page.. > >Thanks so much for helping us remember and bringing back some of the nostalgia of those days . Visit the page below and share your stories... > >http://www.secondfret.com/second_fret_memories.htm or respond directly to Debbie Rubin at drubin@ptdprolog.net > - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: The Second Fret Hello all, I know Gene Shay and Ed Sciacky were there! Ed is the reason those treed tapes exist. He said he was in the front row with an Ampex recorder and Joni had 2 mikes, his and the house mike. One of my all-time biggest regrets was having been born in 1954, a few years too late to have known about our Joan in those early days, and to have seen her there. Or her one performance at the original Main Point in Bryn Mawr PA, where I went on many a date in high school. Saw a lot of good acts in those days (esp Tom Rush, Janis Ian and a duo named Dialogue) Back to my steamed chinese lunch ;-O Brei in drizzly south jersey np: the wedding singer, present moment days - --- Steve Dulson wrote: > Hello all! This was on the Folk Alliance list. Wasn't Joni > featured at The Second Fret? Anyone see her there? > > >We're looking for people with memories of The Second Fret... > >The Second Fret was a Folk Club in Philadelphia, Pa in the early to > mid > 1960's. Owned and operated by Manny Rubin, the Fret became one of > the most > influential clubs of that era. We'd like to gather an archive of > stories, > remembrances and photos from our Uncle Manny's club...and we'd like > your > help. Please tell us what you remember about those days at the Fret. > If > you have a photo you'd like to share...e-mail me at drubin@ptd.net > and I'll > arrange to put it on a photo page.. > > > >Thanks so much for helping us remember and bringing back some of the > nostalgia of those days . Visit the page below and share your > stories... > > > >http://www.secondfret.com/second_fret_memories.htm > or respond directly to Debbie Rubin at drubin@ptdprolog.net ===== it's a miracle! Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:00:06 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie I've always loved the comment that Melissa Etheridge made about Brad Pitt I think it was...something like...he could make a girl change her mind... >>>LOL.. I have a friend who's a bull dyke and she confessed, she wouldn't mind a night with George. Only God could imagine!! Something about George?<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 11:00:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: remember the first time you heard joni a brilliant solution!!!!!! give her a guitar too & she will be okay! ...lol (i had such angst & anger as a teen & my mother just didn't understand my artistic, poetic spirit...she tried to get me to see a psychologist or psychiatrist or whatever people saw in those days...which i refused & i think this was a postive thing as i am not sure anyone could have helped me through what i needed to go through & i have always suspected they could have done more damage than good (a friend of mine was given shock therapy for her angst...or who knows...maybe there was more to it) ..... however listening to music & playing guitar saved my soul a million times...) mags wrote >>perhaps I should turn one of my Joni collections over to my daughter. Hmmmmm.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:59:28 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: If it's not too late to chime in with a Jewish Joke...(njc) I got a million of them ... Two elderly Jewish hipsters sitting on a park bench. One issues a loud, deliberate sigh: "Oy ... " to which the other responds: "I'm hip." - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:53:28 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: remember the first time you heard Joni Nice post Susan. Here's my recount on seeing/hearing that DAMN JONI MITCHELL........ It was I believe 1975,the venue was The University of Cincinnati Fieldhouse. My older sister and her then boyfriend had invited me to come along......... Our seats were up in the nose-bleed section.. sitting on bleachers and before SHE came out I was already a little sauced because the tequila&salt was passed up and down our row along with the HERB. The L.A. Express opened up with a few tight jazzy numbers and then the lights dimmed....out SHE walked,if you can call it walking, more like a stroll....(chills even now.. just as I had those many years ago) SHE opened with HELP ME. Wearing a black pant outfit,tomato red, silky blouse and a gaucho style hat. I could see she was a blond, her hair slightly exposed, but most of it tucked in the hat. MY very first reaction was what an incredibly stunning, beautiful& mysterious woman. (THE VOICE:I will just say for the people that have seen her live know what I mean when I write:THE VOICE. There are no adjetives to adequately describe;the soaring highs the low-ebb to it. Recordings DO NOT capture it.......what I heard back in 75.) She spoke very little other than to complain about her guitar being out of tune.... she fiddled quite a bit with her guitar. Taking a lot of time and you could feel her frustration. (there was a guy sitting to the right of us who would scream at her to PLAY something. I was quite annoyed by him as others were.) When she sat at the piano I can remember being sooooo transfixed losing all space and time. Losing my surroundings.. (it wasn't just the herb either)....it was just she and I.....this was an incredible moment!! Did I realize at the time the innovator she was/is.. no, nor the master musician? I did realize I needed to explore her more......of course not knowing at the time would be a live-long exploration. (hence,JMDL) As I remember she did three or four encores and on her last encore she took her hat off....*WOW!!.......her beautiful blond locks now free-flowing,silky sleeves rolled up....My Analyst told me..... _______________________________________________________________________ Soooooooo to sum it up.....I guess you can kind of read into it that I love Joni Mitchell. :-) *WOW:I often think of Mama Cass's facial expression when she saw Janis at the Monterey Pop festival back in 68/69, with her mouth agape....WOW!. (I have a little fund set aside so wherever SHE is in concert in the future......be it bum-blank Egypt or Tidewater,West Virginia (me mothers birthplace) I will be there........it's been WAY tooo long. Bree Mags wrote: close your eyes and remember those angst filled days and >how Joni became >the very thing that saved you. > >Mags my friend, this poem/prose was so lovely! I think for many of us, >the words you laid out here express the very time and place many of us >came from and to in our life long union with Joni. This is well >written and it definitely touches the soul of our reason for being >here .. well surely you touched mine. Thanks for sharing. > >Julius wrote: she would light candles and incense and read to me from >Sylvia Plath, Anais Nin or Hermann Hesse. > >Julus this is the woman for me! I love Wendy - hook me up! This is >like fairy tale so sweet a memory. If anyone recalls the old thread >about favorite books and authors, mine included all 3 mentioned here! > >My first REAL Joni listen was the summer of 1971. I had heard a few >things in pieces here and there and liked what I heard but I wasn't >listening close enough. Also, I was often hearing BSN - Judy Collins >versions. > >But the summer of 71 as I was turning 14 was the defining moment for >me. I was hanging out with a slightly older cousin who was busy >getting me high for the first few times of my life. We were listening >to a radio station that was very into playing the Blue album that >summer. Every song was an immediate love for me. The ones I remember >them playing were All I Want, California, Carey ... A Case of you well >all of them. > >I bought the album within the week and played it down to a hissing >sound. Actually I recall my mother going shopping and I giving her the >instrctions of what album to pick up for me. I immediately put it on >the turn table and was never the same - my mother on the other hand >imediately hated it and her. To this day when we argue about ANYTHING, >she still says, I am always trying to shove my opinions down her throat >and it all started with that damn Joni Mitchell! > >I felt proud to have "discovered" the album and buy it before my cousin >did. To know all of the words and have a personal relationship with >the whole package. I went out and bought LOTC and Clouds within a >month or 2 and then STAS. > >By January of 72 I was sitting in the 8th row and watching Joni live. >Except for a few moments in my life I can't think of anything that was >such a turning point and defining moment both creatively - soulfully >than that time in my life. I have looked for other "heroes" but just >like love it always hits you when you least expect it. > >Every lover I have had has either been indoctrinated by me with Joni - >or was as big a fan as I. I believe those are reasonable prerequisites >for being my lover - don't you agree? > >Peace >Susan >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:08:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie Kate Bennett wrote: > I've always loved the comment that Melissa Etheridge made about Brad Pitt I > think it was...something like...he could make a girl change her mind... I saw a comedian on Comedy Central say I'm straight as they come, but Brad Pitt's so good looking I'd let him do me! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:21:29 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Re: notches liberation doll I'm way behind on digests and this discussion, but anyway... >On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:30:42 Lori in MD wrote: > >> Bob wrote: >>> But the words are "YOUR notches," not "YOU'RE notches." > >> Depends on your reference. It's "your notches" here: >> http://www.jonimitchell.com/Hissing75LyricsHome.html >> and here: http://www.jmdl.com/howard/music/tab/sorrow.txt > >> but it's "you're notches" here: >> http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/dontinterruptthesorrow.cfm > >> I've always thought "your" was a typo. Anyone? > Not sure - I always thought the lyric was probably "you're notches", but there is no definitive lyrics reference. The lyrics printed on the albums do have errors, as Marian mentioned, and the songbooks also have mistakes. For this one, both interpretations ("your" and "you're") could make sense. >Marian wrote: > >There many errors in the lyrics printed with her albums which were then >unfortunately carried over completely into the Lyrics book. It's too bad >that Joni didn't have time to go over the book before it was published and >make corrections. I hope she will do that someday! Maybe she doesn't even >know that there are so many mistakes. > >I know Howard made an attempt at one point to go through all the lyrics and >make corrections. Yes, I did go through every lyric to every song (helped by others) to pick up as many of the lyric book mistakes as possible. Unfortunately, the corrections didn't make it into the second edition of the book - but I did edit all the lyrics at JoniMitchell.com to make sure they were as accurate as possible. I'm pretty sure that is the most accurate source of Joni lyrics there is at the moment. I think we'd need to check with Joni to be sure of the intended meaning/spelling for this line in "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:17:40 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: pondering the subject of beautiful minds NJC This discussion makes me think of two films although different,plot/story-line the one International:Life Is Beautiful,the other,Sophie's choice,while different they portrayed loving parents one who must make a decision or will lose both her children and the other will so anything to save his child. I think ultimately a GOOD FLICK comes down to the director thats if he/she has a good story to work with. The nationality doesn't matter so much. Bree ><(which I ultimately and absolutely love) versus >Hollywood film making. (Kolya, Raise the Red Lantern, >The Red Violin, Il Postino, etc etc etc) . >> > >While those are all fabulous films, this is sort of a false perception, >Mags. It's quite easy to think that International films are so much more >artistic, but typically the only ones that get exported are the cream of >the crop. There's just as much dreadful crap made internationally as there >is in Hollywood. > >Bob > >NP: Marshall Crenshaw, "Everything's The Truth" _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:34:55 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: top ten of 2001 - njc In no particular order: Shawn Colvin - WHOLE NEW YOU Keith Jarrett - INSIDE OUT Ben Folds - ROCKIN' THE SUBURBS Kurt Elling - FLIRTING WITH TWILIGHT (disclosure: I wrote a song on this album, but I'd include it even if I hadn't) Eberhard Weber - ENDLESS DAYS Sting - ALL THIS TIME Bjork - VESPERTINE (songs from another planet in inner space) Michael Brecker - NEARNESS OF YOU: The Ballad Book (w/Pat Metheny, Herbie Hancock, James Taylor) Bill Frisell - BLUES DREAM Alison Krauss and Union Station - NEW FAVORITE - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:41:40 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and..... Randy Remote wrote: >Wonderful explanation...just one little nit to pick.. > >M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > >Standard tuning on the guitar is EADGBE (E55545). > >> - it is not itself a >> chord - > >any group of 3 or more notes is a chord...although in this >case you've gotta get creative to name it... >Em7sus4 ? >Am7sus2/sus4 ? >G6 with 2 in the bass? >Anyone else care to try? Not an Em7sus4 because the third (G) is present. Maybe Em7add4 or Em11. In any case, I agree it is definitely a chord, and actually, I find it quite beautiful. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:12:32 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) - --- TimandMaryPowers@aol.com wrote: > LOL!! Seriously, does anyone have any good feminist > books to recommend? do > you have the same problem I do? > such as Backlash faludi can be a bit dry at times... > such as Christina Hoff Sommers' Who Stole Feminism, > seem mean-spirited and > too conservative for me. mean-spirited and conservative are mild terms for this book--it is a very anti-feminist/anti-feminism diatribe. > What about novels? alot of "feminist" writing is academic, and i'm sensing that is the stuff that bored you...like the faludi stuff. if you want something borderline academic i suggest these: Gender Trouble by Judith Butler Home Girls: A Black Feminist Anthology edited by Barbara Smith Sister Outsider by Audre Lorde This Bridge Called My Back: Writings by Radical Women of Color edited by Cherrme Moraga and Gloria Anzaldza (this is a GREAT book) Women, Race, and Class by Angela Y. Davis to me, the writings that combine the issues of gender, race and class are the most interesting. that's my own personal problem, obviously! but my suggestions reflected that. and i don't think any of them are boring. here's some other fun or novelly-type suggestions: vagina monologues (yes, despite the hype, this is a REALLY good read). Girrl Genius Guide to life, by Cathryn Michon (VERY funny) A Little More About Me OR Cowboys are my Weakness by Pam Houston (one of my favorite authors ever). Bastard Out of Carolina by Dorothy Allison House of the Spirits by Isabel Allende Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley ( a lighter read?) i think mark e. in seattle has read this, ask him what he thought. i saw the tv movie and it made me want to read the book but i havent yet. Orlando or A Room of One's Own by Virginia Woolf i guess i go on forever so i'll stop now. alison e. in slc, feminist capital np: ani difranco singing something angrily (just kidding) Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:18:08 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Cue music: "Thats What friend are for..." Hi, Wally (and everybody), I don't know if this is a day late and a dollar short, but: I'm having lunch with a good friend, Jim Kennedy, tomorrow. We met when he was the head of the educational wing of a Jewish-affiliated employment agency, and I was both his secon-in-command, and a program director of several English skills and special skills training programs. Before we'd met, he'd worked for twenty years in the same field with various Hispanic organizations. Anyway, now he works for the State of California -- still in the employment field -- and he has zillions of contacts. We're having lunch tomorrow, so he can look at your resume and cover letter. (I cleaned up and made a little zingier the former, and adapted the latter from your note to us.) If anyone can help me find you a job in the San Francisco Bay area, he can. Just thought you could use some hopeful news. Hugs, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:46:31 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush Fires NJC John, My thoughts and prayers are with you and all the Aussies. Many hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:13:36 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Refuge of the Roads" video for Brits 100% JC The "Refuge of the Roads" video for Brits is now on ebay as item # 1403636038 . I have no connection with the seller but thought it might be of interest to someone. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:52:22 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: top ten of 2001 - njc In a message dated 1/9/2002 2:36:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: > Alison Krauss and Union Station - NEW FAVORITE Damn, I had that in my hands today already to buy it along with Mariyn Scott's "Walking With Strangers", but the store was playing "Music of World War II" and I got all nostalgic about the big band tunes my parents always played. I'll have to get Alison's CD on my next trip. Glad you like it Fred! Jimmy np : Betty Hutton "Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief" LOL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:19:04 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: stupid but true NJC >When I first started to see toilet paper in the supermarkets marked >'made from recycled paper' I thought 'how awful'. >some time later (like months) I was woith John in the supermarket and I >pointed it out to him and asked'how do they get get the paper back?' he >burst out laughing and i couldn't undertsand what was so funny. I >thought the whole idea was disgusting. ' you big ninny' he says'they >don't recycle THAT paper' > ROTFLMAO- as they say round here!! Colin, that is hilarious; made even funnier because i did the same thing not so long ago!!! It's the funniest thing i've read since Bob's: >1. Dick Hyman - Big Yellow Taxi: Light & fun, pretty nice actually. And as always, I'm glad it's HIM >with that name and not me. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:10:27 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: feminism (was Anais Nin) (njc) In a message dated 1/9/2002 3:14:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: > Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley ( a lighter > read?) i think mark e. in seattle has read this, ask > him what he thought. A WONDERFUL read!! I want to read it again this summer. There are also prequels and sequels to this book. I highly recommend this one! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:25:33 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Spring NJC Greetings to all my JMDL friends. Today in Minnesota/Wisconsin it was 46 fucking degrees warm!!!!! So I proceeded to get some more outside chores done...like wrapping the trunks of my apple trees so the rabbits will not gnaw on them as they did last year. Last night I spent a lovely night with no people company. Lily the Golden Retriever, Hootie the Welsh Terrier and I hunkered down in front of a glowing fire...they with a bone and I with a great cup of coffee. I was able to listen to Joni's Turbulent Indigo and was once again struck by how much Joni sees into life when I listened to Borderline. My friend Riana called and we listened to Borderline together. She told me she met Elvis Costello many times when he lived in Minneapolis! I did not even know he lived there. Anyway...she worked in a store called Rag Stock..where we all went for recycled clothes when we were young hippies..and she said he came in there all the time. So I asked her if she had ever heard Nick Lowe? She had not. We then talked about Joni and Mollie O'Brien. I bought Mollie's new CD entitled "Things I Gave Away" and just love her song "Train Time" and "When I've Got The Moon". The latter song really spoke to me...and I could also hear our Kate Bennett performing these songs and doing them great justice. Well, I am off to feed the dawgs and put some dinner into the oven...then to practice my music. Peace.......Sharon NP: Nick Lowe's "Failed Christian" from Dig My Mood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 15:34:35 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Subject: Your first 2002 Joni >My husband and daughter went to Arby's yesterday (2-2-02) for lunch. When I >got home they were laughing saying "guess who we heard in Arby's?" I >screamed, "JONI!" They said, yep, that song about paved paradise. So Big >Yellow Taxi is playing in Arby's in 2002! >Best wishes for a Happy New year for all. Janine That is very sweet.....they couldn't wait to tell you. I was in a Big Lot/Odd Lot store last week with my bargain hunting sister that must touch EVERY!..... SINGLE! ITEM!while going down the aisles. (drives me nuts) Anyway,HELP ME came on. While she was completely oblivious filling her cart with junk for next years Christmas tree I was in JONILAND. :-) I love hearing her when I least expect it. Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:45:35 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: stupid but true NJC > >1. Dick Hyman - Big Yellow Taxi: Light & fun, pretty nice actually. And as > always, I'm glad it's HIM >with that name and not me. LOL! Thanks for repeating this as I missed it the first time. > > GARRET - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:42:28 +0800 From: "Nuriel Tobias" Subject: Unsolved HOSL Hi everyone, Do you recall something Joni wrote on the HOSL ineer sleeve? Mine is hiding somewhere but you should know what i'm talking abot, it's where she wrote about the Album and it's musicians. She speaks of HOSL as a mistery, a riddle that she leaves to the listner to solve. Something like that. It seems like Joni wants to it be solved (she's handing us some hints and clues) and at least thinks it can be solved. But it's like she's telling us "Well first can you tell me what is here that needs to be sloved?". She never wrote anything like that on any of her other sleeves and they're as unsolved as all of her work is, but she realy wanted to write it here, like saying that on HOSL there's REALY something strange. So? What do you think? What's the unsolved case here? If you've figured the case out - what answers came up? I can only offer my ideas but i'll wait for someone to please send the words Joni wrote in HOSL to the list. (Bob, could you?) Nuriel - -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:56:47 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Spring with Mollie NJC At 1/9/2002 03:25 PM, Sharon L. Buffington wrote: >I bought Mollie's new CD entitled "Things I Gave Away" and just love her >song "Train Time" and "When I've Got The Moon". Mollie (local Denver resident) and her brother Tim O'Brien also have put out what I think is the finest trilogy of Americana/Folk/Traditional albums ever. One can't go wrong by picking up any of their discs. Les NP: Tim and Mollie "When I Was A Cowboy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:27:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Apology; A11; "Acoustic Magazine"; Joni James (SJC) In a message dated 1/9/02 11:45:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, tim_spong@hotmail.com writes: > Another member made a reference to "Acoustic Magazine" for a good article > on Joni's tunings and how they're used. Could that have been "Acoustic > Guitar" magazine? And, in any case, how about posting the issue date -- > month and year -- and/or the volume and issue number? > Hi Tim! Yes, that would be Acoustic Guitar magazine from August 1996 issue No. 44. I believe that it's archived in the JMDL database. ~rose in nj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:44:33 -0700 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: January 9 On January 9 this article was published: 1971: "Contemporary Songwriters: No. 4 Joni Mitchell" - Sounds (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710109s.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:44:33 -0700 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: January 9 On January 9 in Joni Mitchell History: 1968: From the Official Chronology at JM.com: Joni plays the second of three nights at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 19:57:41 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Hits Hello All I have realized that I bought an extra copy of Joni's Hits Songbook last year at NAMM and I already have it. The face value is $21.95, but I only paid about $16 for it. If anyone is interested in it please contact me privately. First come... Off to watch the AMA's Best Paz p.s please respond to offer at jmichaelpaz@telocity.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:44:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mama & Joni - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Catherine and Susan, i think you've just wrote one > of the all times JC truths - Mothers don't like > Joni. > I think they sense the Jezebel and fear it. I think > that deep inside their souls our mothers wish they > had Joni's freedom and lust. For girls in America, > mothers were surley worried by the blonde hippie > woman's ideas brainwashing their daughters minds. My > mum thinks she's too damn sad but i think it all > began when my father was looking at a Joni photo and > said something like "Oh, who is this beautiful lady, > son?" I don't think my mother bothered to find out anything about Joni so that blows the Jezebel thing right out of the water for me. Mum just didn't like the sound of Joni's voice! I'm a mother and I still like Joni - does that make me a Jezemum? ;) ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #18 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?