From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #16 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 9 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 016 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Bush Fires NJC [john low ] Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) [colin ] Re: A Beautiful mind SJC [colin ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie [colin ] Re: Is anyone else's year off to a bad start? (NJC) [colin ] small world NJC [colin ] stupid but true NJC [colin ] Russell Crowe (NJC) [] Re: general knowledge category njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["mack watson-bush" ] what was that? njc ["mack watson-bush" ] A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] wally? ;njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie [colin ] Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie [Murphycopy@aol.com] Fwd: Baby Wolcott has arrived! NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Sad times (NJC) ["Kakki" ] HOMELAND jazz album to benefit 9/11 relief (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: HOMELAND jazz album to benefit 9/11 relief (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: remember the first time you heard joni [Mags N Brei ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie [FMYFL@aol.com] pondering the subject of beautiful minds NJC [Pat ] njc Gay Fannie ["Steve Polifka" ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["hell" ] Re: Bush Fires NJC ["hell" ] Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] RE: remember the first time you heard Joni [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 7:41:13 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: Bush Fires NJC Mack wrote: "John. Not familiar with you but glad that you are well. I was curious about "boxing day". what is that?" Hi Mack, Thanks for your thoughts. I'm not surprised you are not familar wih an inveterate lurker like me. Alan from Tasmania (nolonger on the Jmdl I think) used to call me a wombat and I do stick to my burrow mostly. I'd forgotten that Boxing Day was not an American thing. I think Brits, Aussies, Kiwis and even Canadians (Mags?) celebrate it as a public holiday. It's the day after Christmas and, though its origins seem to be a bit unclear, it might actually date back as far as the Middle Ages. It appears to have originated with the well off giving money and presents to the needy, servants etc. on the day after Christmas. The "boxing" having to do with boxes holding gifts, not with pugilism! :-) All the best, John. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:45:45 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) > So they take a true story, embellish and dilute it as they will, and tell a good story. That was their goal. but they are left with a load of bollocks so that have not told a good story. they have a told a lie. It may have been a 'good story' if it was fiction but it isn't. They have shown no respect whatsoever to Nash or to us. They merely used Nash to make moeny. Immoral. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:49:00 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A Beautiful mind SJC > I think it's more the case that Hollywood waters homosexuality down to make it more palatable for a wider audience. again what bollocks! (Not you but THEM) There is nothing to water down! How about watering doen the violence? the rapes? the appalling behaviour of str8's depeicted on film? . They are not watering down anything What Hollywood is doing is perperuating hatred and immorality and adding to that mix. hardly watering down. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:51:51 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie > I think he > did a heck of a job in PERFECT STORM!! I was soooo disappointed witht hat fiklm. it was great tow atch and exciting-but they allk died at the end! Not a good way to end a film! No wonder it didn't make any money! Of course, as they were telling a true story, they had to die but still..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:57:12 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Is anyone else's year off to a bad start? (NJC) > that he died recently at age 50 of Hepatitis C (I don't remember > how you contract that). it doesn't matter. > > > Then I learn that my brother-in-law's uncle (who is Admiral Chester > Nimitz's son; my brother-in-law is his grandson) at 86 years of age killed > himself and his wife because of their declining health. They were members > of the Hemlock Society (an organization dedicated to having the right to > choose how you die, basically) and had talked about it for several years. > Apparently they had a nice family party on New Year's Day and died the > following day. The family had come to accept the notion, but I would still > think it was quite a shock to lose both parents in one day. yes but good for in laws that they didn't contiue to siffer to please their familes. > > > Today I get a note from an old family friend that my mother's closest > friend died last May (I sent them a Christmas card, not knowing). this is sad. life has many sadnesses. It is okay to feel sad about it. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:57:18 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Sad times (NJC) Lindsay wrote: >Please excuse the feeling sorry for myself ... I hope I haven't dragged >anyone down too much. Just waiting for that good thing to happen to turn >this around ... hey, don't bad things come in threes? Maybe that's it! Sorry to hear about the sad times in your family, Lindsay. Not to make light of them, but I think a trip to Casa Alegre on Jan 20 to visit with your Joni family might help a bit. It would be great to see you again! All the best! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:04:26 +0000 From: colin Subject: small world NJC I have been at my market today(up since 5 and knackered thuis my typing is worse than uusaul. why am i not in nbed? cos, being silly, i cna't relax until i know John is home and safe). Anyway, I had sveral clients today. the first two were American, and elderley man and woman, andsthey came from DAVIS, CA which is where one of my dearest friends lives. So i told them about MG and they asked how we met and when I started to expplain and this list they just got this glazed look so i quit explaining. Now for the weird part! My next 2 cuntomers were an elderly gay couple(I think), 2 men, and they too were American. I told them that that morning I has sold garments to this Amnerican couple from Davis in CA. And Guess what? These 2 men also came from DAVIS CA!!!!!!!!! and no, they did not know the previous couple! Don't worry MG I did not tell them your address! I had my picture taken witht he first couple in front of my display'so that when we show our fabulous sweater s we can also show the designer'. I had a good day. this was my 2nd Tuesdya and the first was very good too. i just had a hunch about his market and i was right. Very cheap for me to be there too, just very triing but it is only one day a week and at leats I don't have to be waay from ym dogs too long. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:14:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: stupid but true NJC When I first started to see toilet paper in the supermarkets marked 'made from recycled paper' I thought 'how awful'. some time later (like months) I was woith John in the supermarket and I pointed it out to him and asked'how do they get get the paper back?' he burst out laughing and i couldn't undertsand what was so funny. I thought the whole idea was disgusting. ' you big ninny' he says'they don't recycle THAT paper'! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:22:18 +0600 (CST) From: Subject: Russell Crowe (NJC) Mack wrote: "I thought Gladiator was dreadfully boring and not worthy of oscar praise. I do like Russell Crowe though. I was aware of him because of the australian film "the sum of us" He played a gay man in it and it was so sweet." Mack--that was RUSSELL CROWE I saw in that movie, which came out in 1995 or so??! I hadn't a clue. And of course, nobody in the States had heard of him yet: at least, no one that I knew. And yes, he was very good in that film, which somehow managed to be sweet and terribly sad and haunting and uplifting, all at the same time. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:40:52 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: general knowledge category njc Ever try putting some on your upper lip? (I wouldn't suggest it with that nice mustache you have) Some women, Mack, have slight mustache problems........I wouldn't know about this if it would have been for grandmother. ;-) She used this stuff until the day she died. Sometimes I'd visit her and she have it smeared on her upper lip and want to kiss me with it on there. (waiting for the time up to wash it off) A rank odor.......rotten eggs? sulfur? This new product from Australia is much better at least in the odor department;you smear it on your legs or wherever and take tape then......RIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP it off. Not quite as offensive, but maybe a little masochistic. Bree > >Just wanted to warn those who might be interested. If you ever feel the >need >to use Nair, the hair remover, don't!!! I found some at my parents house >and >put it on my back. that shit stinks and burns. Damn. > >mack _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:45:38 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard joni The first time I heard Joni was Detroit in '68 and ... >: ) Actually, I don't really remember the first time I heard Joni, although it must have been You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio on the AM radio in our family's kitchen. I guess that would've been late 1972 or early 1973. I really regret that during my angst-ridden teen years I didn't know Joni's music. I suppose things come to us when we need them, though, and so I really *heard* Joni in 1977 when I bought a cassette of Hejira. I was 18. Lori in MD ~ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:53:26 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie >Mack wrote: > > > George clooney. Yuck. I don't get it. Now Rosemary, that is another > > story. > >You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get George >Clooney! LOL.. I have a friend who's a bull dyke and she confessed, she wouldn't mind a night with George. Only God could imagine!! Something about George? Bree > >Lori >in MD > >~ >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:16:53 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie I am tempted to say that I would rather have Rosemary in the sack than George but that is a little farfetched. Being no Adonis it is ridiculous anyway but he kind of makes me sick. Who can understand chemistry? I would rather spend tender moments with Rosemary. I cannot for the life of me understand how he became a movie star. How far the mighty have fallen. Then again, he seems to be quite popular so I guess it is me. mack > > > > >Mack wrote: > > > > > George clooney. Yuck. I don't get it. Now Rosemary, that is another > > > story. > > > >You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get George > >Clooney! > > LOL.. I have a friend who's a bull dyke and she confessed, she wouldn't > mind a night with George. Only God could imagine!! Something about George? > > Bree > > > > > > > >Lori > >in MD > > > >~ > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:17:16 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie I am tempted to say that I would rather have Rosemary in the sack than George but that is a little farfetched. Being no Adonis it is ridiculous anyway but he kind of makes me sick. Who can understand chemistry? I would rather spend tender moments with Rosemary. I cannot for the life of me understand how he became a movie star. How far the mighty have fallen. Then again, he seems to be quite popular so I guess it is me. Now, Anthony Edwards. That is another story. mack > > > > >Mack wrote: > > > > > George clooney. Yuck. I don't get it. Now Rosemary, that is another > > > story. > > > >You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get George > >Clooney! > > LOL.. I have a friend who's a bull dyke and she confessed, she wouldn't > mind a night with George. Only God could imagine!! Something about George? > > Bree > > > > > > > >Lori > >in MD > > > >~ > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:17:20 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie I am tempted to say that I would rather have Rosemary in the sack than George but that is a little farfetched. Being no Adonis it is ridiculous anyway but he kind of makes me sick. Who can understand chemistry? I would rather spend tender moments with Rosemary. I cannot for the life of me understand how he became a movie star. How far the mighty have fallen. Then again, he seems to be quite popular so I guess it is me. Now, Anthony Edwards. That is another story. mack > > > > >Mack wrote: > > > > > George clooney. Yuck. I don't get it. Now Rosemary, that is another > > > story. > > > >You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get George > >Clooney! > > LOL.. I have a friend who's a bull dyke and she confessed, she wouldn't > mind a night with George. Only God could imagine!! Something about George? > > Bree > > > > > > > >Lori > >in MD > > > >~ > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:17:26 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie I am tempted to say that I would rather have Rosemary in the sack than George but that is a little farfetched. Being no Adonis it is ridiculous anyway but he kind of makes me sick. Who can understand chemistry? I would rather spend tender moments with Rosemary. I cannot for the life of me understand how he became a movie star. How far the mighty have fallen. Then again, he seems to be quite popular so I guess it is me. Now, Anthony Edwards. That is another story. mack > > > > >Mack wrote: > > > > > George clooney. Yuck. I don't get it. Now Rosemary, that is another > > > story. > > > >You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get George > >Clooney! > > LOL.. I have a friend who's a bull dyke and she confessed, she wouldn't > mind a night with George. Only God could imagine!! Something about George? > > Bree > > > > > > > >Lori > >in MD > > > >~ > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:19:40 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: what was that? njc don't know how that happened. sorry. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:24:15 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) >>>to me, it was eye opening to see that someone suffering from schizophrenia as as highly functional as Nash was...& as innovatively brilliant...<< I saw this copied into another post so I am saying off the bat I don't know the original poster nor the entire message. I'm only commenting on this one sentence. The acting by Crowe, as I said before, was wonderful. But, unfortunately, part of the highly santized version is that Nash was NOT highly functional. Don't let the movie fool you. Besides Nash's homosexuality, his "unfunctioning" was portrayed as something else. I don't think that paranoid schizophrenics do quite as well as Nash did in that movie. In full bloom of their illness, they stink, they are mean and vicious, they have trouble holding down a job, paying bills, maintaining relationships, raising chidren; the whole shooting match. Again, aside from being viewed as a slightly wacky dude who has a way with numbers, in no way did the movie show the smell, the violence, the betrayal and the suffering of someone with the disease and their loved, (or solicted one ;-D ), dealing with it. Nor the resulting stigma as others, (Colin, I think), have pointed out. It was grossly oversimplifying that Nash was able to just renew old ties and voila! He's back at Princeton with only some minor teasing by some minor doofuses. (doofusi?) Which then brings us to Bob Muller's statement that Ron Howard's job was to make a movie that made the producers and investors money. That is right on the...er....ah...money and bears a bit of expansion. It's made to make movie with the least possible risk and the most return. So it's a gross profit of xx% as opposed to a gross profit of yy% where XX is geater than YY and YY is the lower rate of return on the investment due to lower attendance becaues of weightier film depiction. I think it's still true that people go to movies to escape and while they are willing to see some "hard" truths, there's a limit. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:25:18 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: wally? ;njc Any news on Wally? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:30:44 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie > Now, Anthony > Edwards. Mack-I prefer him too. Not just cos he is going bald which i find attractive, and he is handsome but he seems so much more dependable and loving and in touch. Unlike george who is a prat and too full of himself. Tho he is very good looking.(who'd have thought that the strange looking one in the comedy Emergency Room would turn into such a handsome man) Of course I am speaking about their ER characters as I don't know either of these mean! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:56:42 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) In a message dated 1/8/02 8:33:29 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << A gentlemen's (or gentle woman's) disagreement is what makes this forum interesting. >> You know, Bob, sometime you can be a real asshole. Kidding, of course. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:04:54 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) In a message dated 1/8/02 10:19:09 AM, lrfye58@yahoo.com writes: << Stuck forever in Mayberry with all those memories of "happy days." >> Such as this memorable scene: ANDY: That's a mighty fine pie you got there, Aint Bea. AINT BEA: Ooooh, Andy! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:25:58 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie In a message dated 1/8/02 3:08:00 PM, BigWaltinSF@aol.com writes: << Yes, and now I hear a rumor (could it be wishful thinking?) that George [Clooney] might be gay! Or at least flexible. Oh well, I know, it's *his* business... :-) >> !t's not *his* business on this list, Walt. Jimmy has a story that casts some light on your queery! Jimmy? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:08:00 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Baby Wolcott has arrived! NJC hello, sorry, I can't resist bragging about my new nephew, Nicholas Ryan Wolcott. He was born today, a big baby - over 8 pounds. My sister Carol and her husband Chris are doing well. Mary K People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINYC35-0108152627; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:26:27 -0500 Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v83.18) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC16-0108152602; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:26:02 -0500 Received: from Wooly ([12.78.179.213]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020108202555.HMYO941.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@Wooly>; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:25:55 +0000 From: "C E Wolcott" To: "Wolcott, John & Linda" , "Bill & Sue Ryan" Subject: Baby Wolcott has arrived! Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:25:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c19882$afe622f0$d5b34e0c@Wooly> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hi Everyone! Today at 11:01 am, Nicholas Ryan Wolcott was born! He is 20 inches long and weighs 8 pounds and 10 ounces! Mom and baby are doing great! Dad is hanging in there! The scheduled cesarean section went well and Carol and Nicky will be in Frederick Memorial Hospital until Friday or Saturday. Chris will be off work for a few weeks to help out, so if you need to reach us, we'll be at home giving our full attention to our newest family member! Here is Nicky's' web site - http://cewolcott.home.att.net . There is a guest book on the front page that you can sign. Chris, Carol and Nicky! P.S. We have blind copied about 30 people so we think everyone got the news ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:11:53 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) In a message dated 1/8/02 6:25:53 PM, MGVal@aol.com writes: << paranoid schizophrenics <> are mean and vicious, they have trouble holding down a job, paying bills, maintaining relationships, raising chidren >> So basically what you're saying, MG, is that schizophrenics are men? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:50:14 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Sad times (NJC) Seconding Steve here, Lindsay. We'd all love to see you and hope you can come up to party with us! Kakki > Sorry to hear about the sad times in your family, Lindsay. Not to make > light of them, but I think a trip to Casa Alegre on Jan 20 to visit > with your Joni family might help a bit. It would be great to see you > again! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:24:22 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: HOMELAND jazz album to benefit 9/11 relief (njc) Apologies for the plug, but it is for a very worthy cause. I have just contributed a previously unreleased track, "Homeland," to the current Jazziz Magazine-on-disc offering, also called HOMELAND, which features me (piano, synth) along with Ross Traut (guitar), and both Steve Rodby (acoustic bass) and Paul Wertico (cymbals) from the Pat Metheny Group. HOMELAND is a compilation which benefits 9/11 disaster relief. I'm pretty sure it comes with subscribers' copies, and according to the info at http://www.jazziz.com/homeland.asp you can get it with a new subscription, as well as purchase it at newstands, bookstores, etc., with the magazine, or even order the CD alone. A blurb from that site: "HOMELAND is a Limited Edition Compact Disc dedicated to the victims and families of the September 11th tragedy. Music contributed by: Pat Metheny, Charlie Haden, Mike Mainieri, Marc Johnson, Dave Douglas, Jay Graydon, Michael Hedges, Leni Stern, Richard Leo Johnson and others. Proceeds from the sale of HOMELAND CD go to the American Red Cross." You can see the track listing at: http://www.jazziz.com/Pages/Jazziz_on_Disc/view_albums.asp?product_id=359 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:27:48 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: HOMELAND jazz album to benefit 9/11 relief (njc) Sorry ... didn't identify myself in posting this notice. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 20:41:50 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) In a message dated Tue, 8 Jan 2002 8:11:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy writes: > > In a message dated 1/8/02 6:25:53 PM, MGVal@aol.com writes: > > << paranoid schizophrenics <> are mean and vicious, they have trouble holding down a job, paying bills, maintaining relationships, raising chidren >> > > So basically what you're saying, MG, is that schizophrenics are men? > There's no reassuring emoticon so I'm in a quandry here. Is this your funky wit or did I write a dumbbutt sentence that indicted men? I'm feeling paranoid. (:-D MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:44:03 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) In a message dated 1/8/02 8:41:50 PM, MGVal writes: << Is this your funky wit or did I write a dumbbutt sentence that indicted men? I'm feeling paranoid. (:-D >> Hell, girl, what are you smokin'? It's my funkaaaay wit! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:47:25 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie >I would rather have Rosemary in the sack than >George but that is a little farfetched. > >mack WE BELIEVE YOU MACK!! I get the picture. I guess you'd have her singing.........COME ON TO MY HOUSE>>>>MY HOUSE Bree > > > > > > > > >Mack wrote: > > > > > > > George clooney. Yuck. I don't get it. Now Rosemary, that is >another > > > > story. > > > > > >You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get >George > > >Clooney! > > > > LOL.. I have a friend who's a bull dyke and she confessed, she wouldn't > > mind a night with George. Only God could imagine!! Something about >George? > > > > Bree > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Lori > > >in MD > > > > > >~ > > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:51:42 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie I love ya, bree. mack > > WE BELIEVE YOU MACK!! I get the picture. I guess you'd have her > singing.........COME ON TO MY HOUSE>>>>MY HOUSE > Bree > > > > > > > > > > > > >Mack wrote: > > > > > > > > > George clooney. Yuck. I don't get it. Now Rosemary, that is > >another > > > > > story. > > > > > > > >You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get > >George > > > >Clooney! > > > > > > LOL.. I have a friend who's a bull dyke and she confessed, she wouldn't > > > mind a night with George. Only God could imagine!! Something about > >George? > > > > > > Bree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Lori > > > >in MD > > > > > > > >~ > > > >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard joni perhaps I should turn one of my Joni collections over to my daughter. Hmmmmm. mags. nc: that possibility...maybe it will help. ;-) - --- Lori in MD wrote: > The first time I heard Joni was Detroit in '68 and ... > > >: ) > > Actually, I don't really remember the first time I heard Joni, > although it must have been You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio on the AM > radio in our family's kitchen. I guess that would've been late 1972 > or early 1973. > > I really regret that during my angst-ridden teen years I didn't know > Joni's music. I suppose things come to us when we need them, though, > and so I really *heard* Joni in 1977 when I bought a cassette of > Hejira. I was 18. > > Lori > in MD > > ~ > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. ===== it's a miracle! Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:50:30 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: remember the first time you heard Joni Mags wrote: close your eyes and remember those angst filled days and how Joni became the very thing that saved you. Mags my friend, this poem/prose was so lovely! I think for many of us, the words you laid out here express the very time and place many of us came from and to in our life long union with Joni. This is well written and it definitely touches the soul of our reason for being here .. well surely you touched mine. Thanks for sharing. Julius wrote: she would light candles and incense and read to me from Sylvia Plath, Anais Nin or Hermann Hesse. Julus this is the woman for me! I love Wendy - hook me up! This is like fairy tale so sweet a memory. If anyone recalls the old thread about favorite books and authors, mine included all 3 mentioned here! My first REAL Joni listen was the summer of 1971. I had heard a few things in pieces here and there and liked what I heard but I wasn't listening close enough. Also, I was often hearing BSN - Judy Collins versions. But the summer of 71 as I was turning 14 was the defining moment for me. I was hanging out with a slightly older cousin who was busy getting me high for the first few times of my life. We were listening to a radio station that was very into playing the Blue album that summer. Every song was an immediate love for me. The ones I remember them playing were All I Want, California, Carey ... A Case of you well all of them. I bought the album within the week and played it down to a hissing sound. Actually I recall my mother going shopping and I giving her the instrctions of what album to pick up for me. I immediately put it on the turn table and was never the same - my mother on the other hand imediately hated it and her. To this day when we argue about ANYTHING, she still says, I am always trying to shove my opinions down her throat and it all started with that damn Joni Mitchell! I felt proud to have "discovered" the album and buy it before my cousin did. To know all of the words and have a personal relationship with the whole package. I went out and bought LOTC and Clouds within a month or 2 and then STAS. By January of 72 I was sitting in the 8th row and watching Joni live. Except for a few moments in my life I can't think of anything that was such a turning point and defining moment both creatively - soulfully than that time in my life. I have looked for other "heroes" but just like love it always hits you when you least expect it. Every lover I have had has either been indoctrinated by me with Joni - or was as big a fan as I. I believe those are reasonable prerequisites for being my lover - don't you agree? Peace Susan Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:58:57 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni Julius wrote: she would light candles and incense and read to me from Sylvia Plath, Anais Nin or Hermann Hesse. I got into Anais Nin when her diary was big, like in the 70s. I wrote to her to tell her how cool I thought she was, and she wrote back to me. I still have the hand-written letter. I wonder if Visa or American Express would accept that as payment. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:03:57 -0800 From: "Joe Gomez" Subject: live at club 47 Hi all hope that the new year is bringing everyone a renewed focus and direction on whats really important in our lives . like Elvis said "clown time is over" but enough of this i just came across some Joni music that was recorded live at club 47 anyone with any info ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:06:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie In a message dated 1/8/02 7:29:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > << Yes, and now I hear a rumor (could it be wishful thinking?) that George > [Clooney] might be gay! Or at least flexible. Oh well, I know, it's *his* > > business... :-) > >> > > !t's not *his* business on this list, Walt. > > Jimmy has a story that casts some light on your queery! Jimmy? > > --Bob > Okay Bob, you've caught me at a weak point in the evening. I'll fess up! First it was Jim Nabors, then Rock, then Clooney, then Crowe.......and finally Michael Paz who knocked me over in *the* pink halter top he wore on Bourbon Street for the N.O. Jonifest. I've done them all and the good ones twice :~) Sleezily yours, John Doe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:21:06 -0500 From: Pat Subject: pondering the subject of beautiful minds NJC mike en espana wrote: <> and my suthern bro Bobs wrote... <> and now me.... inspired to write by the above quotes....... I've been thinking about filmmaking and what it is about films that I love ever since this thread began...not just about Beautiful Mind ... any film. I cannot help but wonder what is the creator(s) thinking?? IS it about money? ... reaching for plausibility...a pretty picture...spring boarding to other projects... flexing their artistic muscles...are they helping us resolve something in our lives? ....no doubt some of each or all of the above. I like a film that makes me think, that moves me..that makes me laugh and cry and lots of things. I wonder..is it possible for a film to depict "the truth/ history/herstory" when we know there are so many versions of a truth/histories/herstories. Inside our souls, we've lived them all, haven't we? Can a film show us the whole span of an illness and what it is really like to live from the inside out..can we get close enough to really get it in a span of two hours or so ...can we see reality on the big screen...feel the day to day..the nauseating/tension filled/i want to scream/i cant take it anymore angst/tear filled morning/mourning kind of days(i love you now go away and stop doing this to me please....to the dreaded there is no escaping this pain every single day of your life... can film create or reproduce your reality or mine? Will anyone else know what it is to watch your loved one turn into someone you no longer recognize? The heart wrenching, soul searing omg you cannot help but hurt like hell for them and with them and inspite of them because "it' is taking them away from you..so far away that you cannot touch them as you once could. You no longer recognize someone who was a part of your heart/body/mind and soul .. imho, I think that's a tough thing to do. (note:imho). I see a HUGE difference in International film style (which I ultimately and absolutely love) versus Hollywood film making. (Kolya, Raise the Red Lantern, The Red Violin, Il Postino, etc etc etc) . I once saw a film (damn, forget the name) which focused solely (no pun intended) on a pair of shoes that a little girl lost or something like that and she and her brother were central to the entire film...he was along with her for the ride ...and what a ride it was .. filled every single one of my senses to the max...through and through, a wonderful, fabulous film.... brilliant and bittersweet and hysterical all at once. As for Hollywood....so many themes rise again and again and get a bit ... well.... boring...or predictable. As Bob wisely said....seems that 'they' make what sells and what projects people along in their career path. just some thoughts on a beauteous winter's night...snuggling up with my honey boi. Mags np: silence - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:24:18 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: njc Gay Fannie >Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:06:48 EST >From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com >Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie I don't know about you, but I think this subject line leaves things wide open to the imagination... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:56:49 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie Lori wrote: > You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get George Clooney!!! Eeeeuuuwww! George Clooney? I'm with Mack here, I've never seen what's so great about the guy. Now if we were talking about Johnny Depp (especially in Chocolat!) then I might consider changing teams! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:00:38 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Bush Fires NJC For those JMDLers wanting some perspective on how serious the bush fires really are, I can tell you that on the 2nd of January, there was a haze over Auckland City caused by the smoke from these fires (our prevailing wind is a westerly), that descended down the length of the North Island - Sydney is 1300 miles away, across the Tasman Sea! Friends visiting from Sydney also said visibility in the city was as bad as 200-300 metres. Here's hoping for some really heavy rain to put these fires out once and for all. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind/Hollywood Sanitizing (NJC) - --- MGVal@aol.com wrote: >He's back at >Princeton with only some minor teasing by some minor >doofuses. (doofusi?) Doofi, I should think. ;) ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:08:36 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Russell Crowe (NJC) Mary P wrote: > Mack--that was RUSSELL CROWE I saw in that movie, which came out > in 1995 or so??! I hadn't a clue. And of course, nobody in the > States had heard of him yet: at least, no one that I knew. > > And yes, he was very good in that film, which somehow managed to > be sweet and terribly sad and haunting and uplifting, all at the > same time. Here's some nostalgia for Russell Crowe fans - before he became a famous Hollywood actor! I managed to find a site with a photo of him in NZ in 1983, in his first (I think) band, Russ Le Roq and the Romantics! There's even a link to play one of their songs - prepare yourself, it's not "great"! http://www.grahamsilcock.com/music.htm I remember seeing an interview with him on a local music show (Shazam - hosted by Philip Schofield who went on to win fame and fortune in London). He was very, very "serious" about his music career, at the tender age of about 18! Every now and then they have a "what they were doing way back then" TV show, where they show clips of now-well-known NZ actors/celebrities, and this interview always makes it onto the show. As does the music video Russ Le Roq and the Romantics made. Probably not something Russell wants remembered..... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:17:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: remember the first time you heard Joni - --- Susan Guzzi wrote: >I recall my mother going shopping > and I giving her the > instrctions of what album to pick up for me. I > immediately put it on > the turn table and was never the same - my mother on > the other hand > imediately hated it and her. To this day when we > argue about ANYTHING, > she still says, I am always trying to shove my > opinions down her throat > and it all started with that damn Joni Mitchell! Susan, this is so funny - my mother couldn't stand her either. She'd ask me what "dirge" I was playing. And she would never get Joni's name right - I'm sure she screwed it up deliberately. She always called her Joni James. I'm sure she was just trying to piss me off, but I would just roll my eyes. > Every lover I have had has either been indoctrinated > by me with Joni - > or was as big a fan as I. I believe those are > reasonable prerequisites > for being my lover - don't you agree? I'm of two minds about that. On the one hand, if they love Joni, they've got to be wonderful, right? On the other hand, I want Joni all to myself! ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:21:12 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie, so's your grannie - --- hell wrote: > > Eeeeuuuwww! George Clooney? I'm with Mack here, > I've never seen what's so > great about the guy. Now if we were talking about > Johnny Depp (especially > in Chocolat!) then I might consider changing teams! > I agree with Hell. I don't get GC either - there's something about him that creeps me out. But Johnny Depp... oh my! ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:34:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: (njc)Ricky Lee and Jane Siberry and Bjork, oh my! - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > Catherine, > > Don't get me wrong -- I had all of Jane Siberry's > albums thru WIWAB-- still > have a few of them, and would love to re-get her > second and third albums (One > was called something like Map of the World, and i > don't remember the other -- > the first was a Canada-only release, and I had to > special order it a few > years back -- the one with Marco Polo and Writers > Are a Funny Breed; that, > and The Walkiung are my favorites) Jane has a website. The name is (or maybe was?) http://www.sheeba.ca/ I'm not sure if the site has moved or changed since I wasn't able to access it just now, but that could be for any of a number of reasons. I did get her CD "Hush" but I was kind of disappointed. I found it too lethargic. On the other hand, it's supposed to be lullabyes and so on, so I guess it ought to be! I think I'm Siberryed out - don't think I want to get any more of her stuff. Not at the moment anyhow. > -- and the first > four or five of Rickie > Lee's (my favorite was Pirates) -- it was when they > each seemed to venture > too far into freeform that I think they lost me. I loved RLJ's first two, but then I got tired of her. Her diction is terrible - you can't hear what she's saying half the time, and then, when you can hear it, you don't understand what she's talking about because of the slang she uses (used - I guess she doesn't do that so much these days). What the hell is "How come he don't come and PLP with me no more" supposed to mean? We used to say PLP when we were kids and it meant "Pretty little princess", but it doesn't make sense to me. Oh well. I liked the first two albums so much that I recently bought them on CD but when I listened to them again, I wasn't sure what about RLJ had appealed to me way back when. I still listen to them now and then and there are some things I still like, but a lot of it seems dated to me (now that I'm old and jaded and I don't give a rat's ass.) > Joni lost a lot of fans > when she did Mingus, but she was able to carry it > off -- anyway, the problem > is mine -- like not being able to apprecuiate > Jackson Pollock's painting -- > it's *my* problem, not the painter's. Naaah, it's not you. Pollock stinks! ______________________________________________________________________ Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 20:35:42 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni now NJC Oh, my Gawd! I am so jealous Bob. What did she write and how beautifull was it? I had an Anais Nin class in high school. I went to a very feminist Catholic All Girls school - I know, kind of an oxymoron. But I was in a special more political, experimental program and the instructor introduced us to Nin. She was stll doing some lecturing then, but I never got to see her. Any chance you want me to hold on to that letter for you? I am sure Amex would except that as payment - but then think about how much credit they would have to extend to you? I'll bet you've read "Little Birds" as well. Of course, just for its literary genius! Thanks Bob. Peace Susan P.S Off to dig up one of the diaries. - --- Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Julius wrote: she would light candles and incense and read to me from > Sylvia > Plath, Anais Nin or Hermann Hesse. > > > I got into Anais Nin when her diary was big, like in the 70s. I wrote > to her > to tell her how cool I thought she was, and she wrote back to me. I > still > have the hand-written letter. I wonder if Visa or American Express > would > accept that as payment. > > --Bob Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:53:50 -0800 (PST) From: CHRIS TREACY Subject: Rickie & 'PLP' -ing NJC Actually, PLP-ing referrs to a 'public leaning post' (or 'private leaning post', depending on what part of the country you're from). It describes the scenario where people are loitering in public spaces, making them their own. Like hanging on a parking meter or leaning against someone else's vehicle. - -Chris NP: "Here's Where The Story Ends" - The Sundays - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > Catherine, > > > > Don't get me wrong -- I had all of Jane Siberry's > > albums thru WIWAB-- still > > have a few of them, and would love to re-get her > > second and third albums (One > > was called something like Map of the World, and i > > don't remember the other -- > > the first was a Canada-only release, and I had to > > special order it a few > > years back -- the one with Marco Polo and Writers > > Are a Funny Breed; that, > > and The Walkiung are my favorites) > > Jane has a website. The name is (or maybe was?) > http://www.sheeba.ca/ I'm not sure if the site has > moved or changed since I wasn't able to access it > just > now, but that could be for any of a number of > reasons. > > I did get her CD "Hush" but I was kind of > disappointed. I found it too lethargic. On the > other > hand, it's supposed to be lullabyes and so on, so I > guess it ought to be! I think I'm Siberryed out - > don't think I want to get any more of her stuff. > Not > at the moment anyhow. > > > -- and the first > > four or five of Rickie > > Lee's (my favorite was Pirates) -- it was when > they > > each seemed to venture > > too far into freeform that I think they lost me. > > I loved RLJ's first two, but then I got tired of > her. > Her diction is terrible - you can't hear what she's > saying half the time, and then, when you can hear > it, > you don't understand what she's talking about > because > of the slang she uses (used - I guess she doesn't do > that so much these days). What the hell is "How > come > he don't come and PLP with me no more" supposed to > mean? We used to say PLP when we were kids and it > meant "Pretty little princess", but it doesn't make > sense to me. Oh well. I liked the first two albums > so much that I recently bought them on CD but when I > listened to them again, I wasn't sure what about RLJ > had appealed to me way back when. I still listen to > them now and then and there are some things I still > like, but a lot of it seems dated to me (now that > I'm > old and jaded and I don't give a rat's ass.) > > > Joni lost a lot of fans > > when she did Mingus, but she was able to carry it > > off -- anyway, the problem > > is mine -- like not being able to apprecuiate > > Jackson Pollock's painting -- > > it's *my* problem, not the painter's. > > Naaah, it's not you. Pollock stinks! > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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