From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #15 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 015 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: January 8 [les@jmdl.com] Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and..... [M.Russell] Was A Beautiful Mind, Now solicitng in mens rooms(NJC) ["Ron Greer" ] Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and.....njc [Kammas] oops, njc [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Today in Jewish jokes, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and.....njc [M.Russ] Re: A Beautiful mind SJC ["mike pritchard" ] RE: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and.....njc [SCJoni] Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Beautiful mind SJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie [Lori in MD ] Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) [Lori in MD ] RE: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and.... [johnirving] Joni Covers, Volume 25 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] FW: Incredible Picture of the Earth from the new space station! N JC [LXR] Win your FREE copy of Covers #25 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] For the Roses ["Steven & Babara Hirahara" ] For the Roses ["Steven & Babara Hirahara" ] Re: was books and movies, now the implications of subaru [Alison E ] Re: remeber the first time you heard joni [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: YOU'RE NOT LISTENING... (now Video Trees) [WARREN901@aol.com] If it's not too late to chime in with a Jewish Joke...(njc) [BigWaltinSF@] Re: (njc)Ricky Lee and Jane Siberry and Bjork, oh my! [BigWaltinSF@aol.co] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] (njc)Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and..... [BigW] Re: top ten of 2001 - njc [Randy Remote ] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: top ten of 2001 - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and..... [Randy Rem] Re: (njc) Gay Fannie ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: A Beautiful mind SJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: A Beautiful mind SJC [colin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:22:49 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: January 8 On January 8 in Joni Mitchell History: 1968: From the Official Chronology at JM.com: Joni plays the first of three nights at the Club 47 in Cambridge, Massachusetts. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:10:16 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and..... On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:38:45 EST BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > I know what chords mean only in terms of the piano > (i.e., if someone asks me to play a Dm7 on the piano, > I can do it pretty much without thinking), but what does > an "open" tuning on a guitar mean? It seems to mean > more than just "non-standard" -- if so, is there more than > one "closed" way of tuning? An open tuning is any tuning which is not standard. Generally, an open tuning is tuned to a chord and sounds nice by itself, although Jonatha Brooke has one very weird tuning where she just tunes the bottom string down to C# (C#ADGBE) (C#85545) and it sounds terrible by itself, but allows for some nice bass notes with the chord progressions that she uses for the songs in that tuning. Standard tuning on the guitar is EADGBE (E55545). The musical intervals between all but the 3rd and 2nd strings are fourths - the interval between the 3rd and 2nd strings is a major third. This tuning, when strummed without a chord shape, is not very beautiful by itself - it is not itself a chord - but this tuning seems to provide the most possibilities for playing any song in any key and for modulating between keys. It is even possible (but would be very difficult for the average guitarist) to play Joni's songs with her chords (not the chord shapes, but the tones of her chords) from standard tuning - I saw someone do this here in Vienna at a Joni tribute a few years ago - he played a set of at least 15 of Joni's songs, including Refuge Of The Roads, from standard tuning - sounded just like Joni's guitar! It was very amazing. Gerald Gradwohl - excellent guitarist. > If someone says, e.g., "open D' tuning", does it mean you > tune the strings to play only, say D, F#, A and their octaves? yes, that is basically correct. The actual tuning of "open D tuning" is DADF#AD. Sometimes an open tuning can be very simple - like tuning the E bass string of the guitar down to D. This is called drop-D. If you then tune the top E string down to D, you get a double-drop-D tuning. Any time that the tuning for the guitar is changed from standard, the chord shapes have to be modifed so that you can still get beautiful sounds from the guitar. Once you've tuned the guitar into an open tuning, it seems to me - in my experience - that the musical possibilities become more limited because of the tuning. While it is possible to find many chords that sound more interesting/beautiful from an open tuning, it becomes difficult to modulate to another key because the guitar strings have been fixed into the key of the open tuning (whereas standard tuning is not fixed to any key). > Also, what does a "modal" tuning mean? I don't know. There are instruments which are modal, like the dulcimer. They are fretted such that it is not possible to play a complete chromatic scale. The guitar is not a modal instrument because each fret represents a half step and chromatic scales are possible on every string. I think "modal tuning" must be just another term for open tuning. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:04:38 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Was A Beautiful Mind, Now solicitng in mens rooms(NJC) hi >>rev wrote but Ron Howard has done sanitized versions of everything that he has ever done and A Beautiful Mind is an extreme example. <<................. his arrests for solicitation in men's rooms which cost him his security clearance, among other things>> anything to do with mens rooms is generally pretty much sanitised. i think its normally those little blocks in the urinals that do the trick :-) as far as accepting soliciting in mens rooms, well didnt the public pretty much accept george michael after his little episode?? actually the scary part is not so much that they accepted his solicitation, but rather that they accept his "music" :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 03:34:52 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: SoCal JMDLer party That's right, I'll be putting aside feverish work on my memoir trilogy to hobnob with the L.A. and JMDL glitterati! :-) Last year was an affair to remember. Not only did we have close encounters with Ted Nugent, Keanu Reeves and Goofy...we were also feted by the music of Kate Bennett and Jeff Bisch (please join us again, you two), got a sneak preview of Clark's cd, and were awed by Steve Dulson (on dulcimer!), Alison, Nikki, and our incomparable Wonder Mike Paz on VG-8. Kakki broke out both her Baby Taylor and martini shaker. Charming Phyllis was there, and our dear Darice came down from Marin, too. If you don't jump at the chance to hang out with the marvelous Coyote Rick in his natural habitat, you may well live to regret it. We put on some harmonies, we danced, we bonded and we glorified Joni. This year we'll be going to some now famous eateries, too. ;-) Join us for the magic, if you can. I can't wait! - -Julius - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: SoCal JMDLer party > It's that time of year again when our Mr. Paz strides into L.A. town for the > NAMM show in his Betty Boop slip-ons and wearing a VG-8 and banjo on his > knee. Accompanying him this visit will be our no. 1 party girl Alison from > SLC (celebrating her birthday) and our sly wit and literature laureate of > Marin County, Julius. > > Some of us will be getting together near NAMM in Anaheim for various events > on Friday, Jan. 18 and Sat., Jan. 19th. On Sunday, Jan. 20th our wonderful > Coyote Rick is hosting a dinner and music jam for the gang. Any SoCal or > visiting JMDL'ers are invited to join us in the fun and can contact Paz or > me for more details. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:36:31 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and.....njc Thanks to Marion, Mack, and others JMDLers-who ask and answer such great guitar/music questions. I took a few lessons a couple years ago, and can play "10 Little Indians", and "Polly Wolly Doodle," so any info that is thrown out there is greatly appreciated and defiantly absorbed by someone. Even though the majority of info is way over my head, I know one day I will read someone's post and sooo get everything they wrote. Kammy asking: is it possible to play the guitar with only a book and a discussion list? Kammy in alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:38:31 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: oops, njc Sorry for the misspelling Marian. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:00:17 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Today in Jewish jokes, NJC > Maurice and Isaac found themselves sitting next to each other in a New York bar. After a while, Maurice looks at Isaac and says, "I can't help but think, from listening to you, that you're from Israel." > I heard the same joke but the twins were Irish this time, which I think is more plausible as far as being drunk in a NY bar. According to Jackie Mason, you won't find jews in a real bar where there's real drinking going on, unless they got lost looking for coffee and cake. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:00:27 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and.....njc On 08 January 2002 13:37, Kammass@aol.com [SMTP:Kammass@aol.com] wrote: > Kammy asking: is it possible to play the guitar with only > a book and a discussion list? Well, and the JMDL guitar site and your CD player! Joni's music is really fun to learn to play because it's relatively easy and sounds a whole lot better than stuff in standard tuning. Probably the trickiest part for a beginner would be getting into an open tuning. Read Howard's thing on Tuning Notation and then try to tune to one of the tunings that has a lot of songs - like the open D tuning (Both Sides Now, Night In The City, You Turn Me On I'm A Radio, etc.) - and print out some of the transcriptions for those songs and just jump in and try to do some of the chord shapes for those songs. You will be surprised, I think, at how much you are able to do right away if you have the tuning right. I always approach learning a song by listening to the recording, too - that's why you need your CD player, so that if you have questions about how something goes, you can listen over and over and fool around with different possibilities until you get what sounds right. Both Sides Now is an especially easy song to start with. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:39:36 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: A Beautiful mind SJC >>to me, it was eye opening to see that someone suffering from schizophrenia was as highly functional as Nash was...& as innovatively brilliant...<< I haven't seen 'A Beautiful Mind' but intend to asap. I'm currently laid up in bed with the 'flu; just as well I had prepared for this by buying myself the Jaco Pastorius biography for 'reyes' and I read it all yesterday and was struck by the similarity between Nash and Jaco's cases, particularly the mental illness part. It seems as a society we are unaware of the plight of those in severe trauma, or afraid to try to help when we become aware, or give up trying to help when it seems that the person has a 'death wish' and is 'beyond help'. Is anyone ever really 'beyond help'? I stress 'as a society' as I am aware that family and friends do their best to help their loved ones through these difficult times. I don't want to resort to the cliche that genius and madness are two sides of the same coin but in the case of Nash and Jaco (and many more?) it may be true. I was surprised that the bio mentioned Joni Mitchell in many places but talked of the 'Mingus' project only in the discography. For me, 'Mingus' is one of the highpoints in the careers of both Joni and Jaco. Any thoughts on this? Regarding Hollywood (and Ron Howard), we (the public) are not surprised at the sanitized versions of anything, particularly homosexuality. Subtlety is not what we expect or demand or get. What surprises me is that the filmmakers still seem to have a very poor opinion of the audience's ability to accept positive homosexual characters in films, unless the film is a comedy and homosexuality is the (how should I put it) 'butt' of the joke. Do actors really have a fear of playing homosexuals, thinking it may reflect badly on their image? Don't they think that the audience is able to distinguish between a role and a sexual preference? If, say, Harrison Ford, Tom Cruise or George Clooney made a film playing an unsympathetic homosexual, do they think that they would find work hard to get? Would we, the public, punish them at the box office if we saw them in homosexual roles? Why? I find this a fascinating topic and am constantly amazed at the willingness of European actors to accept these roles without a thought for their work prospects. What is this difference in perception between America and Europe regarding 'machismo'? Any thoughts on this? Mike in Barcelona NP manu chao 'clandestino' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:17:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and.....njc <> Just please DON'T record it!! ;~) Bob, with covers news right around the corner... NP: Cracker, "Let's Go For A Ride" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:32:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) <> Why in the world would you feel badly? A gentlemen's (or gentle woman's) disagreement is what makes this forum interesting. <> Allow me to re-state my case, I did a poor job with my brief one-liner. My statement was: <> A statement which I stand by, BUT here's what I meant: This is a major Hollywood film, made by a major Hollywood director with a major star. The "goal" of this film was not to present the public with an accurate biography of John Nash, nor was their goal to enlighten the public about schizophrenia. I'm sure they're happy to leave those lofty goals to PBS and the Discovery Channel, and to documentary filmmakers. No, the "goal" of Ron Howard, Russell Crowe, the producers & financial backers, etc. was to make money. Pure & simple. That's how they keep their careers alive. So they take a true story, embellish and dilute it as they will, and tell a good story. That was their goal. Perhaps their bringing the story to the public will encourage more discussion and attention to John Nash & to schizophrenia. Maybe even prompt a true documentary that delves deeper into the true story. Bob NP: CPR, "Morrison" 7/29/98 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:45:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Beautiful mind SJC <> I don't think this is the case, Michael...I think it's more the case that Hollywood waters homosexuality down to make it more palatable for a wider audience. There are some great films out there with name actors (Longtime Companion & Jeffrey among them), but they're made for the most part by indies. Hollywood knows that these won't play well in Greenville SC & Des Moines. Bob NP: CPR, "Triad" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:03:55 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie Mack wrote: > George clooney. Yuck. I don't get it. Now Rosemary, that is another > story. You don't get George Clooney??? Geez Mack, I'm a dyke but *I* get George Clooney!!! You're right about his Aunt Rosemary, though. Great voice. Lori in MD ~ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:17:33 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: A Beautiful Mind, (NJC) Vince wrote: > but Ron Howard has done sanitized versions of everything that > he has ever done and A Beautiful Mind is an extreme example. Once an Opie, always an Opie. Stuck forever in Mayberry with all those memories of "happy days." Lori in MD ~ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:23:11 -0600 From: johnirving Subject: RE: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and.... Hi Walt, I'm sure the very brilliant musicians on the JMDL will answer your question better than I could. So I'll leave the music theory to them. What I would recommend is reading the article written for Acoustic Magazine by Jeffery Rodgers. It is, to my knowledge the definitive article that reveals Joni's guitar technique. -I'm sure it's archived on the JMDL website. No? I was taking a train into Chicago and as I got on board, my good friend Diane handed me this issue, saying, "I don't know if you have this already, but I thought you might be interested." It was THE coolest gift ever. I was trembling with excitement reading that article. All the 'mystery' of Joni's guitar technique was lifted away. It is a GREAT read, so I hope you will look for it. It interviews Joni, with lots of revealing information. The photographs of her are sooo beautiful. There's a transcript of 'Just Like this Train' and even a list of her guitar gear. -How's that for cool? If anyone else on the list has missed this beauty, I do hope you'll check it out. John. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 10:53:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 25 Well, Just Like This Train I'm running behind the times, but better late than never, right? Anyway, Covers Volume 25 is done and on the streets. Another amalgamation of the weird, wacky and always wonderful cover versions of songs by the best songwriter I know. Besides my own sleuthing skills, my thanks to Mike Garin for his contribution to this volume. Here's the rundown... 1. Dick Hyman - Big Yellow Taxi: Light & fun, pretty nice actually. And as always, I'm glad it's HIM with that name and not me. 2. Txarango - Both Sides Now: A nice Spanish Language version of the ever-popular classic. Nice! 3. Frente - You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio: Live from a small club. Always nice to hear the singer tell the crowd to shut up. Not available on an official release, only as a download. 4. Bill Laswell - Blue: The record says this is Blue. It says it's Joni's Blue. I listened and listened, but I can't hear Blue in there. But here it is just the same. 5. Leni Stern - Court & Spark: Really nice jazz guitar take on the jazzy title track from C&S. Lovely. 6. Monty Alexander's Ivory & Steel - Big Yellow Taxi: Cool Steel drum version of BYT. Yah mon! 7. Mama's Boys - This Flight Tonight: These Irish rockers are dressed in leather, but this version isn't merely a Nazareth ripoff. It's a nice acoustic but still fairly metal version. Released as a bonus track on their live CD. 8. Dianne Davidson - Carey: Previously available only on vinyl, Dianne's a good old-fashioned r&b singer ala Bonnie Raitt. Does a good job with Carey. 9. Tom Clay - Both Sides Now: Tom put together a concept record back in the late 60's using songs of the day to discuss love in one of those heavy "rap sessions". 10. Christine Tobin Band - A Chair In The Sky 11. Christine Tobin Band - The Priest: These two knock me out. Christine's an Irish Jazz singer, and she and her band do super versions of these two compositions. I love the fact that she picks The Priest. For me, these are the highlights of the disc. 12. Dave Douglas - Roses Blue: Dave's jazz trumpet was last heard on Volume #20, dedicated to Joni's jazz covers. This one wouldn't fit there, so it's here. Again, a nice one because it's so original. 13. The Travellers - The Circle Game: A fairly perfunctory reading of the Ian & Sylvia "speeded up" version of TCG. The Travellers were a sixties Canadian folk group. 14. Kenny Vehkavarra & Silvio Simone - Big Yellow Taxi: This is a GREAT guitar/keyboard instrumental, very unexpected as the CD looked to be pretty dull. Don't judge a cover by it's cover, I guess! 15. Denny Brooks - Both Sides Now: A laid back country take on the song, which squirms its way into every genre known to man! 16. Complexblue - All I Want: Very pretty jazz version by this 7-piece band. A recent recording. 17. Danny Cox - Urge For Going: Danny was a black folksinger, this recording was from the late sixties. Very worthwhile. So there you have 'em...another FULL CD's worth of fine music from folks inspired by Joni just like you and me and moved to preserve their take on her songs for all eternity. If you're interested in getting a copy for your very own, lemme know and I'll give you the skinny. And stay tuned to win a FREE copy! Bob NP: Crash Test Dummies, "Comin' Back Soon" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:32:47 -0000 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: FW: Incredible Picture of the Earth from the new space station! N JC I thought this might be of interest....certainly, I thought so! Les (London) Subject: Incredible Picture of the Earth from the new space station! > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:04:45 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Win your FREE copy of Covers #25 If your New Year's resolution was to spin more Joni covers, here's your chance to feather the nest for FREE! Once again, some lucky JMDL'er will win a free copy of "Joni Covers, Volume 25"...it might as well be YOU. And all you have to do is send ME (not the list) an E-mail! Guess a song from one of Joni's records, and be sure to tell me which record as she's repeated a couple of songs. For example: I Had A King, Song To A Seagull It's that simple, and costs you nothing. I'll send no spam (other than my silly posts, that is), and you might get a fun JMDL covers CD! I especially encourage you newbies and lurkers to give it a shot. I'll keep the contest open through the week, and announce the winner on Saturday. Good luck!! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:54:52 -0800 From: "Steven & Babara Hirahara" Subject: For the Roses By the time I was 19 I had a beautiful baby girl, buried both of my parents, I was raising my little brother and had been married and divorced. I had fallen in with a wonderful women named Gina who had offered to do my portrait in chalk. She asked me to pose "straight," something I was loath to do for more than a few hours. She said that loaded people gimaced oddly making it hard to capture their true appearance. Gina turned on her record player ( an odd contraption that played large vinyl discs at varying speeds) and I listened to Joni for hours. Time actually stood still and "For the Roses" took me to places in my heart and soul that I hadn't visited in many years. I was surprised and stunned, totally breathless and wanting more. "Ladies of the Canyon" and then "Blue" but always "For the Roses" over and over for weeks. I felt like I had found the perfect score to my deep grief. I have often felt that if I met Joni today I would weep first for her tenderness at underscoring my pain then dance for joy at her wisdom for healing my sorrow. I am reluctant to join into the jargon et al for I cannot, conscientiously, abbreviate what has touched my body, mind and soul. I've seen Joni in concert, once. Anaheim convention center, Court and Spark era. She wore red chiffon. I will never forget how life was then, especially that night. Joni Mitchell is the number one song writer, recording artist and performer of my heart and soul. My children (all women, 15, 17 and 32) ask me to tell them who my contemporary favorites are. I always recite Joni Mitchell as number one. They are exploring new music techniques with the aid of computers and various download processes. They have a wide variety of choices to view and review new artists. When I was young you either got in the car and drove to the concert or hitch hiked. You either stood in line and bought a ticket in advance or sneaked in any way you could. My children have every affordable way to make and listen to music, and they do it all. I'd like to thank Joni Mitchell for allowing me to let my children explore their souls the way she allowed me, through beauty, tenderness and spirit-filled love. Her artistry is a tribute to life. I haven't posted since September. I am building a cabin in the woods below Yosemite and creating my own artist's haven. In the last year I have seen my children bury their father, watched my soulmate painfully accept his family's decision to disown him, and I am now moving our family home. I hope to keep posting when I have the opportunity. Keep it real. Love and Peace, Barbara Murray-Hirahara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:52:22 -0800 From: "Steven & Babara Hirahara" Subject: For the Roses By the time I was 19 I had a beautiful baby girl, buried both of my parents, I was raising my little brother and had been married and divorced. I had fallen in with a wonderful women named Gina who had offered to do my portrait in chalk. She asked me to pose "straight," something I was loath to do for more than a few hours. She said that loaded people gimaced oddly making it hard to capture their true appearance. Gina turned on her record player ( an odd contraption that played large vinyl discs at varying speeds) and I listened to Joni for hours. Time actually stood still and "For the Roses" took me to places in my heart and soul that I hadn't visited in many years. I was surprised and stunned, totally breathless and wanting more. "Ladies of the Canyon" and then "Blue" but always "For the Roses" over and over for weeks. I felt like I had found the perfect score to my deep grief. I have often felt that if I met Joni today I would weep first for her tenderness at underscoring my pain then dance for joy at her wisdom for healing my sorrow. I am reluctant to join into the jargon et al for I cannot, conscientiously, abbreviate what has touched my body, mind and soul. I've seen Joni in concert, once. Anaheim convention center, Court and Spark era. She wore red chiffon. I will never forget how life was then, especially that night. Joni Mitchell is the number one song writer, recording artist and performer of my heart and soul. My children (all women, 15, 17 and 32) ask me to tell them who my contemporary favorites are. I always recite Joni Mitchell as number one. They are exploring new music techniques with the aid of computers and various download processes. They have a wide variety of choices to view and review new artists. When I was young you either got in the car and drove to the concert or hitch hiked. You either stood in line and bought a ticket in advance or sneaked in any way you could. My children have every affordable way to make and listen to music, and they do it all. I'd like to thank Joni Mitchell for allowing me to let my children explore their souls the way she allowed me, through beauty, tenderness and spirit-filled love. Her artistry is a tribute to life. I haven't posted since September. I am building a cabin in the woods below Yosemite and creating my own artist's haven. In the last year I have seen my children bury their father, watched my soulmate painfully accept his family's decision to disown him, and I am now moving our family home. I hope to keep posting when I have the opportunity. Love and Peace, Barbara Murray-Hirahara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 09:10:43 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: was books and movies, now the implications of subaru all right, ladies, that's enough! i resemble that remark! alison e. in slc, PROUD owner of a Subaru Legacy Outback Wagon in burgundy and gray. 4wD, with a trailer hitch, thank you very much. they're like standard issue here in saltine city. and yes, martina does advertise for them, and yes, that does make me happy. lori, run don't walk to your local subaru dealer. ;-) mazda protege, indeed! - --- kerry wrote: > >> Lori, wondering if she's becoming one of those > older, suburban lesbians, > >> in MD > > > Oh, Lori, now I suppose you'll tell us that you're > trading in your Harley > > for a station wagon! ;>) > > >Ya know Kerry, it's funny that you mention it ... > lately I've been > considering buying the Subaru Legacy/Outback or the > new >Mazda Protege > wagon. Eeek! > > That's not REALLY a station wagon (and doesn't > Martina advertise for them?) > I thought of you yesterday when I saw an old station > wagon with a rainbow > sticker on it!!! > > Kerry Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 09:51:34 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Non-member submission >Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:21:04 +0100 >From: kezia@tiscali.it > >Hi everyone! > >I'd like to introduce myself, since I'm new in this circle of friends. I >live in Florence and work for a communication and training agency but my >great passion is singing. I am a Joni fan too, of course, and I have always >wanted to try my talent at her lyrics. A couple of years ago I finally met >the right guitarrist (he fell in love too with Joni a long time before I >even knew of her) and a few months ago we have released a demo cd with my >percussionist, with whom I had been trying to set up a trio for a *tribute* >to Joni for the past 4 years. Our name is Shadows and Light and we have >only performed once, last summer. >Now, you all might think: "Here goes another one, a pale shadow of the real >one...!" but, if anyone would go and have a look at our web page, listen >to the mp3's of some of Joni's songs I like more, and write back a comment, >I'd be very grateful. You can find us at www.selfi.supereva.it. > >By the way... >I have noticed that american women shave their > >underarms and european women do not. Mack > >Dear Mack, this not true at all. Being from Italy, and being a woman, I >can tell you that most of the women in my country shave their armspits (or >even forearms, for that matter) and legs and other bits too... > >Hope to *hear* soon from all of you >Ilaria >_______________________________________________________________ >Abbonati a Tiscali! >Con Tiscali By Phone puoi anche ascoltare ed inviare email al telefono. >Chiama Tiscali By Phone all' 892 800 http://byphone.tiscali.it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:03:30 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: remeber the first time you heard joni who could forget ? the year was 1970, it was early summer and we were at my family's lake cottage. i was just a young naive thing of 15. i went next door to my older and wiser cousin lois' to listen to some music. ( we didn't have a stereo , my cousin was richer too ! ) i had been a fan of female vocalists ever since petula clark joined the british invasion with " downtown, " lois was a female vocalist fan too . she was always turning me on to music that summer . she said she had something new that she thought i would like, handed me a white album with a simple line and watercolor painting on the front, and the most moving music began to waft from the speakers. it was love at first listening !!! i guess you know by now that the album was LOTC. i couldn't get enough. when we returned home from the lake i promptly went downtown to the record store and much to my delight discovered 2 more LPs by joni. i bought all three. ( as i recall albums were about $ 3.99 at the time, a small fortune for a non-working 15 year old but a bargin by today's standard ! ) needless to say it was joni, joni, joni for several months ! back then she seemed to put out a new album every year. they were always anxiously awaited. you can imagine how crazy i got when it started to be three or four years between new releases. ( i was ready to be fitted for a strait jacket ! ) ahhhh, what fond memories... jonily yours, warren keith p.s. les, i'm still working on the joni concert/meeting story of 1974. i would be happy for your to post it on the site. later... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:14:33 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: YOU'RE NOT LISTENING... (now Video Trees) thanks for that prompt response ashara ! i will be in touch soon about some copies. i have some of the stuff already on tape but it will be nice to have them all on the same tapes. thanks again, long live the queen ! ( of the vids that is...) jonily yours, warren keith p.s. by the way, i'm in greensboro, nc . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:27:42 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: If it's not too late to chime in with a Jewish Joke...(njc) My sister senmt me this one; there's nothing essentially Jewish about the joke, except, perhaps, something about attitude(?). Two old jewish guys, Saul and Hiram, are talking: S: Whassat? H: What? This? This is my jar of bees. S What for? H: What for? For my hobby. I collect bees. It's my hobby. S: Why don't you punch some holes in the lid? H: Whaffor? S: They could breathe, they'd live longer. H (shrugging): It's only a hobby. hugs and matso balls, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:57:20 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc)Ricky Lee and Jane Siberry and Bjork, oh my! Catherine, Don't get me wrong -- I had all of Jane Siberry's albums thru WIWAB-- still have a few of them, and would love to re-get her second and third albums (One was called something like Map of the World, and i don't remember the other -- the first was a Canada-only release, and I had to special order it a few years back -- the one with Marco Polo and Writers Are a Funny Breed; that, and The Walkiung are my favorites) -- and the first four or five of Rickie Lee's (my favorite was Pirates) -- it was when they each seemed to venture too far into freeform that I think they lost me. Joni lost a lot of fans when she did Mingus, but she was able to carry it off -- anyway, the problem is mine -- like not being able to apprecuiate Jackson Pollock's painting -- it's *my* problem, not the painter's. hugs, walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:06:48 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie In a message dated 1/7/02 9:29:44 PM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: << I could tell George would grow up to be a cutie. >> Yes, and now I hear a rumor (could it be wishful thinking?) that George [Clooney] might be gay! Or at least flexible. Oh well, I know, it's *his* business... :-) Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:18:42 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and..... Marian, Thank you! that was clear and succinct. Just what i needed. Caio, w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 12:57:11 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: top ten of 2001 - njc Here's some picks and misses Best albums of 2001 JOHN TRUDELL-BONE DAYS--A new studio album with the Bad Dog band, pointed spoken word/rock by a master wordsmith with alot to say about politics and society. Available from johntrudell.com GARBAGE-BEAUTIFUL GARBAGE--Their 3rd album is not as hard edged or gritty--"Androgny" starts out sounding like Britney- this is kind of like pop parodied, but very listenable. BOB DYLAN-LOVE AND THEFT--a more playful, self produced Dylan, nice balance to the dark & moody Lanois-produced "Time Out of Mind" JIMI HENDRIX-MORNING SYMPHONY IDEAS--okay, it's really c2000, on Hendrix family's Dagger Records, a disc full of demos including 'Room Full of Mirrors' (Joni stuck that title in Don't Interrupt TS). Rough hewn genius. DAN HICKS-ALIVE AND LICKIN'--A loose, bouyant live set with the new Hot Licks band, Surfdog Records PAUL MCCARTNEY-WINGSPAN--2 CD set features remastered classics from Macca's solo carreer, put on the live version of "Coming Up" and crank it up loud. CONCERT FOR NYC-VARIOUS--mixed bag from the cool (Bowie's "America", "Heroes") to the predictable (the Who "Won't Get Fooled Again") to the banal (Bon Jovi's "Wanted Dead or Alive", McCartney's "Freedom"). Also on DVD. AMERICA: A TRIBUTE TO HEROES--if only for Neil Youngs recreation of "Imagine"...also Stevie Wonder, S. Crow etc..2 CD's for $ 20 GIL&MILTON--Two of Brazil's biggest talents, Gilberto Gil and Milton Nascimento, team up for some beautiful sounds. Misses- PAUL MCCARTNEY-DRIVING RAIN--Fresh and inventive on the music side, but dragged down on the lyrical side...I mean, repeating the same inane verse over and over 5 times...write some more verses or get a collaborator fergawdsakes. Paul's voice is incredible..he does not sound 60... Dissappointments- CPR-JUST LIKE GRAVITY--Mediocre to these ears, it pains me to say, being a major David Crosby fan. Dearly Departed: George Harrison John Phillips John Hartford John Lee Hooker (tough year for Johns) Fred Neil Rufus Thomas Chet Atkins Joey Ramone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:11:28 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie >In a message dated 1/7/02 9:29:44 PM, bree_mcdonough@hotmail.com writes: > ><< I could tell George would grow up to be a cutie. >> > >Yes, and now I hear a rumor (could it be wishful thinking?) that George >[Clooney] might be gay! Or at least flexible. Oh well, I know, it's *his* >business... :-) > >Walt I don't know if he's gay? But I can tell you he has pledged never to be married again. And he values this circle of eight or so guys he has known since his struggling young days when he left Agusta,Ky to live with his aunt,Rosemary Clooney in California. They hang together all the time....play basketball,ride bikes. He's not the type to be tied-down.........a free spirit. Also,he's married to his work. I think he did a heck of a job in PERFECT STORM!! I love his thick Irish brows! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:11:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: top ten of 2001 - njc <> That's a nice description, Randy...once I got over the raspiness of most of the vocals, I really enjoy this record. There's not a lot incredibly fascinating musically, except for his crackerjack band that really tears into the mostly blues riffs head on. But his words do seem really playful. He's going to be playing in Greenville, tix go on sale Friday for a pretty reasonable price. I'm tempted to go. To inject a little Joni, hopefully it's an encouragement to her to see her peer (generationally speaking) enjoying such success and still keeping his creative stride. Bob NP: Crash Test Dummies, "A Worm's Life" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:16:23 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: What does "Open" mean, and Who makes the choices, and..... Wonderful explanation...just one little nit to pick.. M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: Standard tuning on the guitar is EADGBE (E55545). > - it is not itself a > chord - any group of 3 or more notes is a chord...although in this case you've gotta get creative to name it... Em7sus4 ? Am7sus2/sus4 ? G6 with 2 in the bass? Anyone else care to try? RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:16:59 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: (njc) Gay Fannie I forgot Walt,the love of his life is his cherished potbelly pig. He's had her about eight years. I saw him kiss her in an interview. Very cute. Bree > ><< I could tell George would grow up to be a cutie. >> > >Yes, and now I hear a rumor (could it be wishful thinking?) that George >[Clooney] might be gay! Or at least flexible. Oh well, I know, it's *his* >business. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:18:09 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: A Beautiful mind SJC I thought Gladiator was dreadfully boring and not worthy of oscar praise. I do like Russell Crowe though. I was aware of him because of the australian film "the sum of us" He played a gay man in it and it was so sweet. John Polson (in mission impossible 2) was in it too. great movie. Russell obviously didn't mind doing it. Mack meone suffering from schizophrenia > was as highly functional as Nash was...& as innovatively brilliant...<< > I haven't seen 'A Beautiful Mind' but intend to asap. I'm currently laid up in > bed with the 'flu; just as well I had prepared for this by buying myself the > Jaco Pastorius biography for 'reyes' and I read it all yesterday and was > struck by the similarity between Nash and Jaco's cases, particularly the > mental illness part. It seems as a society we are unaware of the plight of > those in severe trauma, or afraid to try to help when we become aware, or give > up trying to help when it seems that the person has a 'death wish' and is > 'beyond help'. Is anyone ever really 'beyond help'? I stress 'as a society' as > I am aware that family and friends do their best to help their loved ones > through these difficult times. I don't want to resort to the cliche that > genius and madness are two sides of the same coin but in the case of Nash and > Jaco (and many more?) it may be true. > > I was surprised that the bio mentioned Joni Mitchell in many places but talked > of the 'Mingus' project only in the discography. For me, 'Mingus' is one of > the highpoints in the careers of both Joni and Jaco. Any thoughts on this? > > Regarding Hollywood (and Ron Howard), we (the public) are not surprised at the > sanitized versions of anything, particularly homosexuality. Subtlety is not > what we expect or demand or get. What surprises me is that the filmmakers > still seem to have a very poor opinion of the audience's ability to accept > positive homosexual characters in films, unless the film is a comedy and > homosexuality is the (how should I put it) 'butt' of the joke. Do actors > really have a fear of playing homosexuals, thinking it may reflect badly on > their image? Don't they think that the audience is able to distinguish between > a role and a sexual preference? If, say, Harrison Ford, Tom Cruise or George > Clooney made a film playing an unsympathetic homosexual, do they think that > they would find work hard to get? Would we, the public, punish them at the box > office if we saw them in homosexual roles? Why? I find this a fascinating > topic and am constantly amazed at the willingness of European actors to accept > these roles without a thought for their work prospects. What is this > difference in perception between America and Europe regarding 'machismo'? Any > thoughts on this? > > Mike in Barcelona > > NP manu chao 'clandestino' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:28:56 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Is anyone else's year off to a bad start? (NJC) I've wanted to post for a couple of days ... but then thought 'why be a bummer, man.' But you guys always have a kind word and are willing to listen ... Just a few very sad things have happened and it's not even the middle of the month! On the not-so-personal note, but still a teenage memory, did anyone in 1973 watch a documentary on PBS called something like "The Louds: An American Family"? A camera crew followed the members of the Loud family of Santa Barbara around with their cameras just observing. I don't remember how many weeks it ran, but it was fascinating to me, let's see, then a high school junior. The whole family was so interesting, but one member of the family, a son named Lance, was a riot, gay as could be, calling everyone "Honey," and just the life of the party. I read in People Magazine that he died recently at age 50 of Hepatitis C (I don't remember how you contract that). I just had a good memory of him, and I was sad to learn this. Kind of like one of those images of your teens shattered kind of thing. Then I learn that my brother-in-law's uncle (who is Admiral Chester Nimitz's son; my brother-in-law is his grandson) at 86 years of age killed himself and his wife because of their declining health. They were members of the Hemlock Society (an organization dedicated to having the right to choose how you die, basically) and had talked about it for several years. Apparently they had a nice family party on New Year's Day and died the following day. The family had come to accept the notion, but I would still think it was quite a shock to lose both parents in one day. Today I get a note from an old family friend that my mother's closest friend died last May (I sent them a Christmas card, not knowing). My mom died a few years ago and it was hard to see this lady at the memorial service who had known Mom longer than all us kids. This lady and my mom traveled all around Europe together in the 40's, were college pals, and kept up their friendship throughout their life. We have pictures of them in their beautiful hand-made wool suits looking so smart in Paris. End of an era. One good note: I have tickets to see Jonatha Brooke on January 31st at the Belly Up Tavern, a great and fairly small venue. Hope no one around me minds me singing along to everything as I do in the car ... just kidding. I hate when people do that! Please excuse the feeling sorry for myself ... I hope I haven't dragged anyone down too much. Just waiting for that good thing to happen to turn this around ... hey, don't bad things come in threes? Maybe that's it! Lindsay Moon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 7:24:17 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: aussie friends njc Ron wrote: "i suspect the hottest fire is on the cricket field. well done you guys - totally destroyed/humiliated/embarassed our team :-(" Hi Ron, I wish the fire would stay on the cricket field! It was an unexpected clean sweep (at least to me). I really thought it would have been a bit tighter. However, your lot (and Hell's) get another chance in the one-day games coming up. And we all know how difficult to predict these can be! Cheers, John. PS. It was a nice gesture to see the Australian team donate all its winnings to the bushfire appeal. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:40:18 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: A Beautiful mind SJC > It seems as a society we are unaware of the plight of > those in severe trauma, or afraid to try to help when we become aware, or give > up trying to help when it seems that the person has a 'death wish' and is > 'beyond help'. Is anyone ever really 'beyond help'? I stress 'as a society' as > I am aware that family and friends do their best to help their loved ones > through these difficult times. It is good to read something so naive ! Not meaning to offend you at all Mike, when I read this, my first thought was 'how good of him to think like that'. Unfortuantely it could not be further from the truth. Firstly society generally doesn't care. It is alos too sacred of anything different. There is still a HUGE stigma attached to mental illness and people do not wnat to get involved. Far too many families don't care, and are the root of it anyhow, and very few friends bother to find the person. Although in my experience, friends have been the best. There is too little healthcare available for mental health difficulties. A good sign society doesn't care. Mental health problems are inaccurately portrayed on tv in film and in the press thus making the prejudice even worse. Apart from that, 'mental health care professionals' also continue this prejudice because of the way they treat their 'patients', ignoring their humanity, feelings and thoughts, and just labelling us and drugging us and treating us as non humans. The basis of much psychiatry is that our thoughts and feelings don't count, just the shrinks opinion of our disorder. Much has been wriiten on this and evry well by Dr Dorothy Rowe, a renowned clinicla psycholgist. To answer your question about whetehr some people are beyond help, thew ansswer is yes. psychopaths. Briefly, because their first experinces in life, ie as babies, did not allow them to form connections with others and thus they were not able to distinguish a person from an object thus they grow up seeing evrything outside of themselves as an object. (objects have no feelings so you can do what you like to them). As yet, nothing has been found to overcome this. bw colin ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #15 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?